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Post Post #7000 (ISO) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:21 pm

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Rules is Rules, and consistency is most important.
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Post Post #7001 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:59 am

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In post 6999, Sakura Hana wrote:IMO, if the vote had happened and AJ's vote had happened without any vote counts in between it would have been a vote trick, but the mod had posted vote counts in which the vote hadn't been counted, so it was AJ's bad for missing that. Once the mod has already not counted the vote, there was no way she could've just counted it at the end.

Aj shouldn't
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Post Post #7002 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:00 pm

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Everyone makes mistakes. It's okay.
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Post Post #7003 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:04 pm

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I'm aware. Not really the point I was trying to get across though.
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Post Post #7004 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:57 pm

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In post 7001, OceanWind wrote:
In post 6999, Sakura Hana wrote:IMO, if the vote had happened and AJ's vote had happened without any vote counts in between it would have been a vote trick, but the mod had posted vote counts in which the vote hadn't been counted, so it was AJ's bad for missing that. Once the mod has already not counted the vote, there was no way she could've just counted it at the end.

Aj shouldn't
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to keep track of that though. That's the mod's responsibility, not that of a scum player. Notscience even being allowed to post out of hydra in a cavalier fashion without immediate repurcussions was a mistake.


Thats not the case at all considering the tanspire of events

NS voted here:

In post 6814, notscience wrote:VOTE: kamigami


A vc was put here:

In post 6855, fferyllt wrote:
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it was not till much later did AJ vote so if he was reading he would of been aware that the vote did not count.

if the VC was never there then maybe but here it had clear indications that the vote was not vaild
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Post Post #7005 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:28 pm

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Yeah, I saw that. What I'm saying is that notscience made around fifty posts out of hydra. There was never a clear indication from the mod as to whether he was replacing his hydra with his main account or what was going on there. The mod never stepped in to delete the posts, ask him to repost from his hydra account, or really take any sort of stand on whether this was allowed. For all intents and purposes, notscience was playing solo. It was a confusing gamestate to be in and despite the votecount showing the vote not counting, the mod not taking any action against notscience could be interpreted as notscience playing under his solo account.

With that in mind, I felt it was too much of an ask to expect the scum player to double check votecounts when he wasn't at fault for gamestate being confusing. It should have been something notscience and the mod should have cleared up. That's why in my opinion, the fairer decision would have been to award mafia the win.
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Post Post #7006 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:34 pm

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In other words, my issue is a) why was notscience posting from his main account without any sort of notice allowed to happen, and b) why confusion that stemmed from this mistake was resolved in a way that penalized the team that wasn't at fault.
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Post Post #7007 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:54 pm

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In post 7006, OceanWind wrote:a) why was notscience posting from his main account without any sort of notice allowed to happen

That one is indeed on the mod.
In post 7006, OceanWind wrote:b) why confusion that stemmed from this mistake was resolved in a way that penalized the team that wasn't at fault.

Kinda hard to magically count the vote after it never being counted.
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Post Post #7008 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:01 pm

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Yeah, should have counted in the first place is the point
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Post Post #7009 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:20 pm

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I will make sure that this particular situation never happens again in a game I mod. I was depending too much on the vote counter.

Given what did transpire vote-wise and vote count-wise both my reviewer/backup mod (bork) and the large theme List Mod (GuyInFreezer) recommended the solution that I went with. Prior to getting their feedback, I was leaning toward calling the game. Which would also be bad and frustrating for the players.

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