Talk about Community here

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Just finished rewatching season 1 of community. The thing that sucks is Community isn't available in its entirety on hulu plus like Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, and The Office are.

Anyway, I thought season 2 wasn't as consistently awesome as Season 1, but it was still really funny. And both the D&D and Finale Part 1 episodes were as good as it gets.

Maybe my next mini-theme should be Community Themed. I've never done an actual theme theme game, but it'd be fun and I can think of some good mechanics I could use with it.

EDIT: I see DarthYoshi has claimed the Community idea, so I'll sit on that.

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I really enjoyed the one before the finale in S2, where it's a flashback to stuff that was never showed.

hahaha yeah. the first time i watched that i got pissed at the beginning because there is nothing I hate more in a sitcom than a clip show. Then I realized what was going on and laughed a lot.

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I feel like there is so much good TV on now (and even more in the past decade or so). Some is better than others, and sometimes shows leave voids (nothing has managed to fill the Lost void for me yet, but maybe that's good given how utterly disappointing I found the end of that show), but new shows come up that are good.

Right now merely in comedy I think Parks and Recreation, Archer, and Community are all in their peaks and extremely fun to watch. The Office, 30 Rock, It's Always Sunny are all probably past their prime, but I still think they're worth watching. Across the pond, the IT Crowd is hilarious. I haven't gotten a chance to check out Modern Family, but people whose opinions I generally share seem to really like it.

And I'm not sure there's ever been a better time for drama. Yes, The Wire (which I have not yet watched) and the Sopranos (which I think is overrated) are off the air, but there has been plenty to replace those too.

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Yeah, I'll agree with that, but I didn't mind the set up for the rest of the year.

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Thought it was weird they made up Inspector Spacetime considering they always name shows they talk about.

Come on. Don't you see why making up "Inspector Spacetime" is funnier than just saying "oh hey, abed there's this great show called Doctor Who." "This is the best show ever made"

I did like the combination downton abbey/cougartown show.

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Sort of. Except anything they've actually SHOWN has been unique. Like Kick Puncher.

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I interpreted the song differently. I think it's the opposite of being pressured by the execs or whatever. Because they sing this song where they're saying "going to be less weird than the first two seasons combined" except the song itself is pretty damn weird immediately giving lie to that statement. So I interpret the rest as being pretty phony. Like the Jeff and Annie thing... I think it's a tease, but not a very serious one.

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garret might be the best minor character in the show.

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yes. much better. britta has a stupid side plot, but the rest is hilarious.

Garret is amazing.

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But Garret!

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You're shrill and not fun!

1. Garret is great. You have no leg to stand on. Of course he's whiney!
2. Annie vs. Annie was almost more of a reason for the competition to exist than anything else. The humor of community is often not in the actual plot but in the small interactions.
3. Take Abed. I loved the way he kept going back to the parallel universes but in the character of Switzerland. And THEN despite obviously just being a funny thing that Abed would think about, it actually plays into the resolution of the competition. Hilarious.
4. Similarly, I thought Pierce was at his funniest this episode as he is obviously taking the piss by making Somalia into a "shangri la." I am not a Chevy fan, and I'm not much of a fan of episodes that are Pierce heavy with the exception of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (the hospital episode last season was one of the weakest in the series). But here he is utilized at his best: one off cutting and inappropriate remarks.

This episode was in the top half of all community episodes.

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I kind of like the idea of Asian Annie descending into drugs. But otherwise, I disagree with you complete. Garret was WAY funnier than the Dean would have been. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree as I thought the episode, with the exception of the kind of lame Britta plotline, was pretty great.

I think I'll look into a way of getting Garret saying, "Crisis Alert!" as a ringtone (probably for my texts)

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CRISIS ALERT!

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really? I thought it was a step down from episode 2, but still funnier than the first episode.

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I thought the chicken fingers episode was weak.

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How can you not like Abed stealing Jeff's power?

And that final chat between Abed & Jeff about needing to connect with people was great.

This part was good. But the execution otherwise felt forced and wasn't all that funny... though I did like the Dean eating chicken fingers in front of Starburns.

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Anyway, I totally agree that the whole "gang nearly disintegrates" thing has gotten old. They got a waiver to do it a few more times than they otherwise would have by doing self-referential stuff, but now that they've done that it makes it even WORSE when they do it again.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Chang does as the head of security. It's about time he gets back to a position of power that he can abuse. He was always funniest as the crazy-and-a-little-sad Spanish teacher with an attitude rather than a complete sad sack.

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I worry that Jim Rash will become like Kramer or somebody if they use him a lot.

Is John Goodman really part of the cast or did he just make a guest appearance?

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Just found out that one of my fiancee's friends works on Community. She just thought he just really liked Community from all of his facebook posts.

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The result is the best episode since Fistful of Paintballs Pt. 1. Hands down. Amazing. Episode.

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Yes. it was awesome. i laughed very hard.

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Get out of GD zoraster

hard to concentrate on actual mafia while i'm a little tipsy, watching tv with my significant other.

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Just rewatched. I love that when Pierce finally has his organic segue ("that guy sucks worse than an airplane bathroom") all Pierce does is lean back and chuckle to himself saying "airplane bathroom..."

also, in the two scenes where jeff eats pizza he eats it by picking the toppings off. which is weird.

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he should have been dabbing it with napkins... he references doing that in season 1.

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http://www.nbc.com/community/video/an-i ... =thefilter

IT Crowd shout out as well! (If you haven't watched the IT Crowd, you should... it's on Netflix Instant)

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I wonder if they did ADR with the door where Annie and Britta say "did they say 304?" "no, they said 303. I wrote it down." Since the door number is supposed to refer to the episode number which was supposed to be 303 but ended up being 304.

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What? Obviously I read the blog post. That's not what my post says. My post asks whether annie and britta's conversation was done ADR (automated dialogue replacement) to talk about 303/304 or whether it was in there originally.

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well right. I more meant "was this actually a reference or just a weird coincidence" obviously leaning toward it being an actual reference.

And that brings up another question: was there any dialog in that spot before or did they just extend the shot of the door?

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I thought it was a solid episode, especially the Troy part. I found the main Pierce's dad part to be a bit hohum and ridiculous but not in the good Community way.

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http://www.nbc.com/community/video/pock ... es/1365903
Possibly the most unexpected, outrageous thing to open to episode. I laughed so hard.

oh man that was great.

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The A plot was decent, but I wonder if the homophobia issue will come up again in the season, not for Pierce, but for Shirley. Which annoys me, because I'm pretty tired of Christians being portrayed as homophobic when almost every scrap of polling data shows that this mentality is changing. I realize this episode finds humor in a lot of stereotypes, but this was one that fell flat for me.

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Is Shirley a millennial?

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Reck, beating the CW is = 0. However, it is a different story on Monday nights... NBC loses to cable, and telemundo. But I'm pretty sure that community will hang on for 1 more season at least...

Almost everything loses to cable on Monday nights because Monday Night Football is on ESPN.

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I liked the episode, but I would have preferred the Pierce storyline better had his father not come in and ruined it. I don't really care about what's going on with Britta right now, I'm still annoyed that Annie gets so much attention all of a sudden, and I don't get why everyone hates Chang so much (even after his detective this season which may have been too much Chang for even me). I love love love the Troy storyline and I'm glad to see they picked that up again. I want to see where that goes.

I don't even remember Annie doing anything in this episode...

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Let's be honest: "canon" for community kind of misses the point.

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this makes me so sad.

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Six seasons and a movie!

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anyone seen A Heart of Darkness? It's really interesting, actually.

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Passion and niche are related. And community is a pretty niche show. Occasionally you'll get a "niche" show that goes universal (Lost, for example), but usually not. Niche shows that do "well" are generally on places that don't need as many viewers. If Community were on FX, for example, no one would expect it to bring in as many viewers. Season 4 of Mad Men had 2.92 million viewers for its premier. Community last week had 3.49 million.

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In retrospect, I kind of wish Chuck had just gone 2 seasons. The first two were great, but the third on was really disappointing. But at least it was good for one more season than Heroes!

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How about Garrett?

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Who cares about Garret?

Britta is in her late 20s. I recall on my recent re-watch that it's stated somewhere that she's not quite 30. Jeff is a few years older, but not substantially.

I love Garrett! though let me be clear: I don't think he should be used MORE than he currently is. I just think the way they do use him is awesome.

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YES!

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I liked the past episode just fine. maybe not top episode, but certainl ynot bottom 5

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favorite episode since it came back.

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For those who like Coraline, the narrator is the same guy as the cat in Coraline.

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I thought this was one of the weaker episodes I terms of the overall arc, but with hilarious side gags. Dean as a train conductor, the end credits, "left unattended I will do him like a crossword" were all really funny. But the show itself was a big ball of "eh... Next episode please?"

The Chang pierce storyline could not have been weaker or more unfunny if it tried. The mean text thing was just baffling in its unironic cliche. Oh. Girls with low self esteem go after mean guys? Earth shattering. The fact that Jeff doesn't "know" this but Troy does is really out of character for both. Even one of my overall favorite story arcs failed to deliver — the Troy in AC repair school one. It had promise too! And yes it was kind of funny to have everyone question the deans presence and then let it drop, but it really didn't go anywhere. And maybe I just suffer from some fatigue but jeffs wrap up speech was underwhelming.

I did like Annie's boobs however. And I don't mean the monkey.

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I don't mind the idea of them as friends. I just thought the execution was incredibly weak. And yes. I did laugh at "I need help reacting to something." there were bright spots certainly. But it was still one of my least favorite episodes along with (off the top of my head) the glee episode and the drug play episode

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I've worked it out. You just don't like good things.

This is the first episode since it came back that I've really properly enjoyed apart from the wedding.

What's your problem? Why can't we have different opinions on something without it being a personal attack?

Apparently we have different taste. I thought the wedding episode was easily the weakest since it came back, without even any real side laughs like last nights. You liked that one.

In any event, the problem is that I don't think those episodes really DO show the core of the show. It feels manufactured in a way the earlier versions of the same thing did not. Advanced Dungeons and Dragons is such a great episode because it's touching, human and completely in keeping with the characters. Mixology works, despite being kind of a downer of an episode, because we have troy realizing that Jeff and Britta, two people who he looked up to as older siblings almost, don't really know everything.

Here, we don't have that. We have Jeff realizes what? That no sense of shame is the way to get women to desire him and he actually has one? Maybe. Except we've been down that path before. We know he cares about his friends now. It's been covered in a lot of episodes starting most strongly with the Halloween episode where he doesn't sleep with the professor.

Troy and Abed have no character development here, unlike the two episodes. Britta is the same exact insecure combative person she's been for awhile now. Pierce and Chang... well, if you loved that storyline as more than a source of a cheap chuckle, we don't have much common ground to work with. Annie is arguably the only person I see something meaningful happening in the episode.

I've loved the past couple of episodes, especially the Ken Burns one. This is just a weaker one. That's perfectly fine. And you're welcome to disagree with me on it. But keep the insults away, please.

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I liked the episode quite a bit. I don't love the Britta-Troy thing, but it was fine as a reason for the other stuff in the episode.

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I'm pretty sure the show is mostly non-canon.

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agreed

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Sorry. I agree on the Actors doing a good job Playing themselves as Played by abed

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Sorry. I agree on the Actors doing a good job Playing themselves as Played by abed

I think that extra layer actually made it funnier. The whole thing amused me...

...which is what I'm agreeing with?

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oh. sorry. i thought the actually meant you were disagreeing with me. my b!

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I enjoyed this episode. I loved what they did with the sound. So quiet.

I'm sure those people who seem to only ever want community to be a soap opera with "development" will be displeased, though.

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How were you "not thrilled"? Personally, this was one of my favourite episodes of Community ever. It nailed everything the show was always about, and as a bonus IT ACTUALLY INVOLVED A CLASS, which is something this season was lacking. Also, having the actual medical examiner from Law and Order was a nice touch. Honestly, I don't think thee's much that this episode didn't hit dead on.

This. I didn't even consider the fact is involved a class or actually being, you know, a student, but now that you've mentioned it it makes it much more satisfying.

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i liked Fat Neil shifting binders from one place to another a lot.

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As I said. There appear to be two camps of community watchers. Those who see Community as one of the smartest shows that is just a pop-cultural reference thing, and those who are invested in the characters themselves -- the soap opera crowd, so to speak. There's room to be both and I'm sure both sides enjoy the other to a degree, but that seems to explain a lot of the splits in opinions we experience here (e.g. those who liked that really mediocre wedding episode)

Personally, I view the characters mostly as set pieces to be moved around to make things funny. So any character development is incidental. The characters can often be funny because of their backstory, but that's why I care about them -- their potential to make me laugh. I don't really care if they grow or not except insofar as no growth can cause things to get stale.

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But glowball's right. This episode is one that returns to status quo at the end. You could essentially watch it at any point in the season and it would make exactly the same amount of sense. So if that's something you care about, then it's not an episode you'll have enjoyed. I just don't care, so this was one of my favorite episodes of the season.

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just makes it hard to read. The general practice in this thread is to spoiler tag anything you read on websites, etc. before something airs but just talk about it normally once the episode airs.

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i didn't find it that funny the first time. but my fiancee came home and wanted to watch community, and I loved it the second time. I think it's because I missed Shirley saying that she wanted to sing Ave Maria at the memorial service the first time i watched it.

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except community already has a syndication deal i think.

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parks and rec got a full 22-season renewal, so that much at least is good.

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I don't think it was remotely disappointing. I think I'll need a little distance before comparing it to paradigms, but there are instances where I felt it was pretty genius.

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Amy Pond talking about Inspector Spacetime:

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WE WANT WHITNEY. WE WANT WHITNEY. WE WANT WHITNEY

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awwww it felt like this was the series finale. i'm glad it's not. but hopefully it doesn't suffer Chuck syndrome for it.

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it's too bad they showed them all in a night. too much to comment on. too much to take.

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It's interesting that in some ways community has tried to do genre things fairly straight. The Law and Order episode was another example of this, and was probably more successful than the ocean's 11 heist episode. Still, both were strong.

The video game episode was by far the weakest. I haven't really enjoyed the episodes where community goes animated. I didn't really like the claymation episode. I thought the anime thing was very briefly funny but that's it. And this was ... okay. I'm perfectly fine if community wants to do meta and not "grow" their characters in every episode. That's a strength of the show, not a weakness. But that doesn't make this one particularly funny.

Still, the other two were good. And the last made me feel things.

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it's also been moved to friday nights.

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if chevy goes, good riddance. without donald glover, it'll unravel

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Look at it this way: they liked IT Crowd, so they at least have good taste. Who knows?

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they did. i hear it was terrible.

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The Office's first episode was pretty faithful to the original. It's a pilot to show execution, not creativity. I don't think that's a problem.

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I thought chang S1 was great. He really established how ridiculous a place Greendale was. It wasn't until later that I started to be annoyed at him. I found him less funny when he wasn't inexplicably in a position of power.

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I liked him better

as a security guard/dictator than as a guy who wanted to be in their study group.

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2 I think. I admit that was funny.

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I believe that crossed into screed territory. I wouldn't be too worried. I don't necessarily disagree wtih you on some of the points, but it's not something that should really mess with your overall enjoyment of the show. Fortunately you can just watch season 2 and see why.

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on rewatch you'll realize just how deep the dalmation thing goes. they're EVERYWHERE

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The show will no longer premier on Oct. 19th. http://www.vulture.com/2012/10/communit ... r-all.html

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truth be told, he's more of a prop than a character. which is perfectly fine.

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hahahaha

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well, its ratings aren't all that important at this point.

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Umbrage pot-committed to traits as presented in the pilot in the same post, so he wrote his own ticket to ride on the school bus.

pot-committed
ticket to ride
school bus

...man. what a post!

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Let the inevitable AniX scholars of the future deconstruct your posts, AniX. If you spell it out for them, what will they write their dissertations on?

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agreed.

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so we're rewatching community on dvd. I've noticed a few things, but they may only be interesting to those who rewatch shoes multiple times...

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first, i thought they were setting up the dalmatians thing really early on because they put them in the dean's office early. but they put a ton of pugs in the office for one episode.

also, at one point abed says in the producer's cut of one of the episodes something about tony and alice in the opening credits of Who's the Boss, but he had never gotten past the credits. Yes we all know that Abed later on...

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also, abed has a poster for "Kick Splasher"

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i enjoyed this episode. It did not feel nearly as fake as the one before. And they took the scooby doo theme and actually ran with it (unlike the hunger deans where it was just some quick cuts to intersperse angst). I liked it, and I'll be just fine if the season maintains this level of quality.

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i'll take a stronger episode outside of the college over super weak college based episodes any day.

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heh. neurotypical talk. it's like MS brought to life.

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oddly aroused?

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It was also the first time since the pilot that I thought: oh, Brita is hot.

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so? i don't really get that criticism at all. comedy is often something that could have been carried out by other people. don't get me wrong, I thought this episode was only moderately funny, but that wasn't really because I could envision some other comedy doing it.

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i'll buy that. i've just adjusted my expectations for community drastically downward since Harmon is gone. That doesn't mean I don't hope for some solid episodes, and overall I'm glad I've still been watching. But I don't expect boundary pushing to be much of a thing this season. Also, I don't think the cast is that talented, honestly.

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my first reaction was to defend the first episode as I think people overreact to middling episodes. but then i realized that really was a terrible, terrible episode.

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to be fair, i don't think harmon knew what to do with britta, shirley or pierce, so...

the strength of community was always its conceptual humor. the ensemble nature works well, and troy and abed are awesome and jeff is strong and annie has her moments, but i don't really think the whole relationshipy stuff was ever the things dreams were made of.

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i liked the episode.

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I thought the flashbacks were the best part of the episode, they were conceptually interesting like many old episodes (even if not fleshed out as much as similar fare such as the psych hospital one). I thought that it was interesting that they pulled back and addressed the fact that for everyone else, life isn't about the greendale 7. How do they get that study room all the time? We've seen flashes of resentment before, but I think this was good.

And finally, I think the show worked because it returned to Greendale and worked as an ensemble piece where they were all together for the episode rather than individually going off doing their own things.

I thought it was the best episode of the season, and it was probably the only one that I think would fit comfortably within the other seasons.

Oh. Not a fan of the Chang storyline, but then again I haven't liked Chang since Season 1 (other than the continual Chang puns)

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Watched the sneak peak. I laughed. So its already an improvement.

STEALTH MOUNTAIN

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i didn't care much for this episode, but then i've never really liked episodes that were ostensibly about character growth (characters, as in real life, should grow organically over time. most of the time you don't have "ahah" type of moments).

anyway, it's too bad that we have a full community thread and not one for archer or parks and recreation, which are so much funnier and sweet (in parks and rec's case) than community this year.

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the

proposal

? Because that was pretty awesome and unexpected.

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just TV, although some use same-day DVR viewings.

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i enjoyed the concept of PEE. Wish they'd just put the chang stuff out of its misery though

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I'll let Zoneace do the everything's the worst, but I really enjoyed last night's episode. It didn't have much "edge" or anything... the tropes felt just as tired as the rest of the season's, I just found myself laughing and enjoying it.

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this being this season or this being community in general?

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I don't know. Will you be disappointed if you watch 3 seasons of awesome if it's followed by a season of mediocrity?

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I guess they tried to make the manic pixie dream girl he chose seem less so by providing an even more obvious one in comparison? Anyway, I agree. I don't think I like the idea of Abed dating anyone, but she's cute and fits decently well.

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Yeah! hard to really make her a fleshed out character though.

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the whole great thing about Abed is that he rejects the constant call for silly things like "growth."

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Who is secretly part of Cheng's plot to sabotage the group.

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I thought this episode started really strongly and I was excited at where it was going. I wasn't a fan of the songs, but I never am (except for the Abed/Troy music history song and the discoteca spider). But then they kind of squandered the secrets of everyone by smushing them all together so none really resonated except for Shirley's. Overall I enjoyed the episode. Just didn't live up to what I thought was a promising premise.

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It depends on how high quality it needs to be worth your time. It's still better than Whitney. For me there has been enough funny bits to make it worth it. If you'll just spend your time being pissed/depressed about it not being as good as before, then don't watch it. If that's not really your personality, go for it.

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I thought this episode had some funny parts, but something about the group dynamics and dialog felt very very off, very like the first episode of the season did.

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I agree with that.

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i liked it too.

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sorry, too busy winning oscars.

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Sorry, too busy polishing oscar.

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it wasn't as good as the last one, but i thought this was another really strong episode.

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that's a good point.

The only thing that I thought was a little weak was how quickly they seemingly dismissed the entire season's Chang plotline. It was almost like whoever wrote these episodes looked back and said, "wait. haven't we done 'Chang is a crazy wolf in lamb's clothing thing before? let's jettison this ASAP'" Sure, it was a lame plotline, but it was one they had invested a lot of foreshadowing in.

I'm a bit worried about how they're going to handle the evil timeline..

Still, these past two episodes I really felt lived up to previous seasons, as opposed to just being good enough to pass time.

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that is a pretty weird choice. I shall pretend he is still seeing the Secret Service woman.

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yeah kinda disappointing ,really.

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...

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What's kind of weird is that they did "Fall" Semester for this season (because of the Oct 19th supposed air date), so they're probably going to do "Spring" semester next season... possibly aired during the fall.

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oh man. that would be amazing.

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Will season four be considered non canon now?

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why does dan harmon always look like he's posing for a mug shot after a DUI arrest?

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At least with a bris, there's an element of suspense.

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yeah. i liked it a lot, though the final scene was just awkward, not awkward funny. But that's easily forgivable.

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It was probably my least favorite "campus competition" episode, but I still liked it.

I guess I'd rank them:

1. Paintball 2 - Part 1 (Black Rider)
2. Pillow Fort Ken Burns
3. Paintball 1
4. Paintball 2 - Part 2
5. The Floor Is Lava.

Any others I'm missing?

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loved the episode. probably the most i've laughed in a long time. and troy and levar have been kidnapped by pirates.

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i didn't think he was that hyped. they just put up a photo of him up on their facebook and people ran with that.

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pshhhh

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so.... this season has been pretty great. the book stealing storyline was weak, but the pile of bullets was hilarious, and i rewatched the payday rap about 6 times.

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i mean, community was never really into realism.

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i don't know that i can differentiate that much between 1,2,3 and 5. All had episodes that I thought were amazing. 3 was very up and down, a fair number of pretty mediocre episodes but a fair number of episodes I thought were the best of the series. If I were judging each season by their top 5 or so episodes, 3 might be tops.

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yup

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kind of a lame filler episode. they didn't even bother set up the premise for the episode at any point.

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lie detector was a really good episode, but the little snippet at the end was one of the weakest

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i don't think P&R has slipped big time at all.

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i liked the episode. I've generally enjoyed the season, but I'm not sure it's really that much better than the much-maligned Season 4... it's just that my expectations are pretty low.

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I've thought the season overall has been pretty good.

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how dare they

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... appen.html