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Fantasy Baseball 2013 (Why even bother playing against LL?)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:02 am

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Head to Head Main Draft


Draft Time:
Sunday March 17th at 4:00pm EDT

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Fightin' Toddfathers
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AGARRRRR 2.0
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Gorc's Dorcs
GorckatOtter4
Lamora's Lynch Mob
Locke LamoraTiger13
Timid Otters
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14
6
RHINOX
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Screwballs
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Montreal Herons
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49 Minutes to Midnight
AnixTiger1
Canadian Blizzard
SensfanOtter
6
14
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Kublai KhanTiger11
Mafiascum Expos
Seattle Monkeys
Zoraster and the gangOtter10
Águilas Cibaeñas
qwintsOtter8
kmd
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Draft Time:
Wednesday, March 20th at 8pm EDT

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Ferocious Otters
Zoraster
49 Mins. to Midnight
AniX
AGARRRR 4evar
AGar
Montreal Herons
DrippingGoofball
kmd4390
kmd4390
Lamora's Lynch Mob
Locke Lamora
Rainbow Farts
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Gorckat
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:02 am

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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:09 am

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I know I'm starting this early this year, but I like to get a jump on this so that we can all think about it. We'll want to nail down the format soon and the draft day(s) in the near future.

Here are my thoughts:
1. Head to head worked out OK, and it kept people in the hunt longer. Although I feel Roto is the superior format for telling who was the best, I don't mind head to head. I might suggest making the playoffs two-week matchups, but otherwise I think this is okay unless we really feel like we're getting all people who will keep up really actively.

2. I think almost everyone was frustrated by the weekly format. I suggest we move to a daily format with restricted weekly transactions. I think most last year wanted to keep this from becoming as labor intensive as many daily leagues can get (as this is a secondary league for many of us), but daily would at least let us deal with injuries and the like.

3. Depending on how many players sign up, we may have to split into two leagues. We can discuss how we want to do that, but I like the way mith structured the NFL fantasy league with promotions and the like. Alternatively, we could just split by different draft dates or something. For me, 14 players is the absolute maximum for having in a fantasy baseball league.

4. I think we can make our rosters somewhat deeper (to yahoo standard, for example), but I don't really care on this point.

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:38 am

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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:45 am

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who were you last year? I filled in who i remembered.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:49 am

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wrong forum. Get this moved to mish mash.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:50 am

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it was in GD last year. *shrug*
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:51 am

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I'm, of course, 49 Minutes to Midnight (aka 11:11pm).
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:22 pm

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/in

A day to day league will kill me this year...I wasted enough time at work scoping weekly moves :P
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:23 pm

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to be fair, it probably spreads it out more, gorc. don't have to worry about trying to get two start people in your lineup.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:24 pm

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I'm gonna be /in.

I vote head to head.

Daily over weekly. Not much preference outside of that.

I agree with a max of 14. I think if we have 16, two leagues of 8 is the way to go. Give the top performers from last year preference for a League 1. All new players should go to League 2 unless we have more new players than returning in which case i'd say instead of a League 1 and 2, just name them differently and use the results for a League 1 and 2 next year. Of course, none of this matters if we don't get 16+.

Don't care much on deeper rosters. If I were forced at gunpoint to vote, i'd probably say just keep it how we've had it.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:26 pm

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basically the only difference from last year to yahoo standard is adding a second util spot and a fourth P spot. The fourth P spot isn't as crucial if it's daily, but last year pitching was not that much fun with only 5 starters and 2 relievers.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:01 pm

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Also, I think everyone pretty much punted NSV last year. I was actually actively looking for starters who qualified as RPs weekly.

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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:28 pm

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The Montreal Herons will be back in 2013! Someone has to suck eggs.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:09 pm

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I might be interested in doing this again. Even though I had a good draft, the problem I had last year was just a lack of motivation because the season is just too darn long. I looked at stuff online and one thing that caught my eye was this rule where once it's the All-Star break every team has to drop a certain amount of players (like a quarter or half), and then the worst-place teams get top priority on the waivers on who they want to add, followed by the better teams. So basically that just breaks the season up into 2 halves instead of one really long season.

But yeah I like H2H over roto and daily over weekly. If we could make it into an AL only or NL only league that would be cool too.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:05 pm

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Zoraster, I'm fine with adding a utility and a pitcher.

Hate the idea of dropping players halfway through the year.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:58 am

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I'm in again. I'm also fine with adding the extra spots and daily with transaction limits is preferable for me. 2-week playoffs, or at least championship game, would also be good, but I'm not so bothered about that.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:46 am

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/in and I like the proposed changes so far. Daily changes is the biggest *want* for me. Pitching might be fixed by daily changes alone, because then you'll be able to make sure your starters are in the lineup only when its their turn to pitch. There'll be less of a reason to drop closers for starters with RP eligibility. I'm not against adding another P spot, just reinforcing like Zor already said, its not crucial if we go daily.

Splitting the league would be disappointing, but necessary if there is a lot of interest I guess. Too bad there isn't a way to create 2 conferences in the same league, where each conference has the full bank of players to choose from. If we create 2 leagues, maybe we could do a manual playoff matchup between the winners of each league to determine an overall winner?

I've never played in a roto league I don't think, but reading about it I think I prefer H2H.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:05 am

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Is there a better stat than NSV to gauge RPs?

My recollection is that I didn't punt NSV, but that's because I lucked into Jim Johnson and was cycling through closers over the season to make it one of my go-to stats for wins. (With stats wiped, it looks like I can't confirm my success there).

But NSV is only a closer stat, really. Is there any way to value other relievers that don't get SV or QS? Or just an accepted deficiency in fantasy scoring?
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:19 am

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There are a number of methods we could use to try and make it so that relievers aren't punted, but I'm not sure it's necessary. I'll describe why it's probably not necessary after I give a couple of ways to reduce the incentive to punt relief pitching:

We could expand to a 6x6 format with Net Saves and Holds both being categories (we would need to add a hitting stat too).

We could change Net Saves to SHolds (Saves+Holds). While this doesn't exactly eliminate the benefit to punting, it does make it so that it's easier to compete in the reliever category because there are more relievers who contribute to that category.

We could use K/9 instead of Ks as a category. But this tends to slam the balance toward just using relievers (if you get two or three good closers and punt on starters, you're aiming to win K/9, ERA, WHIP, and Net Saves while punting QS).


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But moving to a daily format will alleviate all that to a large degree because the benefit of punting saves is reduced. The reason for this is because in a weekly format, punting on saves means you might be able to slip in a reliever who starts, which will at the very least help with Ks and Quality Starts. But in a daily format, having a starter who counts as a reliever doesn't really help because you can cycle through normal starters without a problem.



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I'll look into whether yahoo lets you do longer playoff weeks. I don't recall that being an option last year, but I know it was an option for ESPN's football so maybe we can figure out a way to do it. Last year with 2 divisions and 14 players we had 2 spare games.

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I don't want to drop players half way.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:04 pm

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So it's daily right?
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:28 am

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It looks that way. Will you be able to keep up with that, Elmo? You went AWOL pretty early on.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:40 am

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Yeah. Tbh I prefer daily. Weekly I drove me nuts as it would be mid week and I'm trying to edit you roster for a daily but no avail. And I lost interest.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:35 pm

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Yeah, going to daily should alleviate the whole punting NSV thing, which I think most of us were doing.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:59 am

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Okay, everyone. The league is up, so get in there. If you want to join, please let me know. We already have 5 people signed up, which is a good start.

Also, fairly soon I'll send out a survey to see when is a good draft time.
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