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if its not that big of a deal for u mizzy, can we just play with 7 max? i honestly hate playing with more than 7.
also ty for actually using the correct pronouns when crediting my ruleset"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yea, i am. thats where im getting all those stats from and stuff.In post 22, OkaPoka wrote:korina i assume ur a secrethitler.io player?
plus, the io site is pretty good in terms of meta and stuff. id like to follow the meta, but no hard feelings if nobody wants to.
also,@mod v/la for 72hrs.currently on fall break."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i was gonna post most of what oka said earlier but i was asleep.
also, 15 26 is the only thing ill currently ja. tho, i do want them to both red so i can play"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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ill also add some stuff oka didn’t hit on later.
also, @oka we need to play on io at some point"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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before i expand upon anything oka has said, i'm gonna quickly post a glossary of terms i may use. some of these should be obvious, but im posting them anyways:
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this isn't a term, but this is how i stylize govs in my notes, so you may as well be familiar with it since i will use it/bring it up:
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In post 50, Formerfish wrote:
Like discard the red first and pass them 2 blues, or pass them a split deck and force them to pass the blue or get found out?In post 48, OkaPoka wrote:also if you do get two blues and a red
usually its optimal to force them to play blue
just putting it out there
^In post 51, OkaPoka wrote:discarding the red
splitting the deck is usually risky because of how the deck works, we aren't guaranteed to have full scope of the deck and more people might lie so if you and your chancellor disagree and enter a conflict, you lock both of yourselves up and lose two blues from the deck
i couldnt really say it better.
i also did try to expand upon a few things that oka said, but its all pretty solid. most of the other situations i could think of id rather cover if/when we actually need to."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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both claim please, and also, egix pick dweller.
also, rip i dont get to play now unless 51 reds"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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good force. also, if it's not that big of a deal to you guys, can we use r for fascist cards and b for liberal cards?
so claiming two fascist, one liberal would be rrb; one fascist, two liberal would be rbb, etc. etc."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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its not a big deal if you guys dont want to, it'd just make things a bit easier to read imo"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, id like to just speed through the game until one of the two happens:
1) we have a conflict
2) we get a fascist policy passed
because until that point, we're really not gonna get a lot of information from the govs."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also egix is right, it's 4b, 10r left."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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37 shouldnt play
4x shouldnt play
51 should play
I'm fine with neining till 51."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, @dweller, the reason why we should nein 37 and 4x and not play every single gov is for the reasons why ff hit on already:
it minimizes the number of touches on the deck. the more people touching the deck, the less information we get overall.
for example, lets say the deck is RBRRBRRRBRRRBBBRR, and that 136 are all fascist, and 6 is hitty.
15 plays, 1 gets RBR, hands RR to chans. chans plays R, with RRR and RR claimed.
26 plays, 2 gets RBR, hands RB to chans. chans plays R, with RRB and RR claimed. -> 26 are now frozen.
37 plays. 3 gets RRB, hands RR to chans. chans plays R, with RRR and RR claimed. -> 3 now has inv, checks 7 due to meta. sees lib, claims fasc.
41 plays. 4 gets RRR, hands RR to chans. chans plays R, with RRR and RR claimed. -> 34 are now in soft conf, and 4 has SE. they pick 5. 5 doesn't have anyone they can pick. 14 are TL'd, 26 and 37 are in conf. They decided to gp 3.
53 plays. 5 gets BBB, hands BB to chans. chans plays B, with BBB and BB claimed. -> 3 is now cnh.
since two cards are remaining, the deck gets shuffled with 4B, 8R. however, theres a problem: a claim of 4B, 11R while technically possible, it's impossible in this situation, and there's a conflict. someone clearly dropped, but the question is who? additionally, the claim is impossible while there's a card conflict. 26 definitely has a fascist who dropped, 134 most likely has one since all three of them are claiming RRR. the problem becomes how you sort it out, which you'd struggle with in that scenario. that's also ignoring the fact that someone could've underclaimed or overclaimed, meaning they said they got more/less blue than they said they did.
now, lets run through that except without everyone touching:
deck is still RBRRBRRRBRRRBBBRR, and that 136 are all fascist, and 6 is hitty.
15 plays. 1 gets RBR, hands RR to chans. chans plays R, with RRR and RR claimed.
26 plays. 2 gets RBR, hands RB to chans. chans plays R, with RRB and RR claimed. -> 26 frozen due to conf
37 and 4x are both neined.
51 plays. 5 gets RRB, hands RB to chans. chans plays B, with RRB and RB claimed.
62 and 37 are both neined.
14 plays. 1 gets RRR, hands RR to chans. chans plays R, with RRR and RR claimed. -> 1 gets inv, and due to meta they inv chans. they see lib, and claim lib.
26 and 37 are both neined.
45 plays. 4 gets BBB, hands BB to chans. chans plays B, with BBB and BB claimed.
since two cards remain, the deck is shuffled with 4B, 8R, with 5B, 10R claimed. once again, this is an impossible claim. we have a conflict. once again, someone obviously dropped, but it's much easier to solve it here. 26 has fasc, but 14 likely has a fasc as well since both claimed RRR.
three cards unaccounted for, with two possible cards. however, its much easier to figure out who dropped here. we obviously know one of 26 dropped, however, the two RRR claims are also suspect. with that in mind, we can start narrowing down the suspect pool much faster."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, who tf are you?
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nom oka
VOTE: nein to 5"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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about time tbh"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i dont think anyones dropped yet. i could see a world where thats possible, but i really doubt it so far.
if we do play red here, dweller, you check egix if it was rrr. if it's rrb > rr, (conflict), you check someone else outside of that. i dont remember what meta says to do in that case tho."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im used to inv'ing chans if its rrr."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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VOTE: formerfish
choo choo"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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dropped means discarding a card, typically a liberal. i only really ever hear someone saying dropping when talking about blues tho.In post 160, Datisi wrote:What does "dropped" mean here exactly?
i prefer to inv chans on rrr, typically last pres/chans on card-conf.In post 164, OkaPoka wrote:Personally I like to investigate someone I feel is very lib to remove my doubts on them being hitler but thats just me.
Oh yeah and btw "conflicts" can refer to an investigation conflict where someone claims to have investigated a fascist.
ive had double-fasc cucus. those are always so much fun.In post 167, OkaPoka wrote:And uh on cucu
it means that we have the investigated lib choose the investigator
And basically the investigator cannot "conflict" with the investigated lib so it can force some blues
unless its double fasc which would be a meme
if there's a conflict, it's better to try to come to some consensus about who should/shouldn't be checked. the conflictee cant be checked regardless, because pres knows their alignment.In post 170, Datisi wrote:If there's a conflict, is it better to make the investigation as a "collective" decision or let the President decide?
why?In post 172, Formerfish wrote:
I think we should check the first person that suggested we deviated from the plan going into the 2nd election.In post 164, OkaPoka wrote:Personally I like to investigate someone I feel is very lib to remove my doubts on them being hitler but thats just me."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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pres needs to claim. if it's rrr, you check chans otherwise you out. if it's not rrr, and egix is lying, you check someone else, and we'll discuss that.
also hi mena. also me and datisi arent fasc together, unless you somehow rolled hitler. in which case, yes, we both are fascist. you should totally believe me. i am very trustworthy, even though i am in seat 4."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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three fascist cards.In post 203, Menalque wrote:What is rrr?
rb is easier to read over lf, and if youre claiming two fascist and putting ff, people are gonna assume formerfish for the most part.In post 209, Menalque wrote:Why r and b not f and l?
last two pres are in soft-conflict.In post 216, Datisi wrote:Also that makes 6 Reds in a row :thonk:
oka gets it.In post 217, OkaPoka wrote:HMMM IS THERE REALLY 3 BLUES AND TWO REDS ?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im torn between saying "idk, can i?" or "no". so...
but on a serious note, it's a joke. theres nothing to discuss, might as well mess around while we wait for things to get interesting."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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because meta"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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plus, we can do a tactic called cucu. basically, if you invest egix to be lib, he should make you his chans. then, we know if there's a conflict, you're a fascist.
it forces a blue to get played basically."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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the reason why we know youre fasc from it, if you're wondering:
if youre lib, and you check egix and see fascist, you will claim fascist. therefore, you claiming lib means its impossible for egix to be fasc, and for you to be lib. you can still be fasc, and egix could still be lib, but it's impossible the other way around. the only other option is that you're both fasc here.
anyways, so, egix is pres, he picks you to be chans. he claims to pass you rb, but r is played. what does that tell us? you're fascist. you can't be lib, because you'd have claimed egix!fasc. is it possible that both of you are fasc? yes, but we confirm that you are a fascist, meaning you will get the bullet when it comes to that.
obviously, fasc dont want to do something like that, therefore they're forced to play the blue."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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exception to that is rrr, which i feel like is more indicative of it being fasc-fasc, but im not entirely sure, so dont quote me on that?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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its meta. just go with it."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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plus, i think 26 still plays, so you'll at least know what 2 is when you play."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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@oka does 15 26 still play after 51 62 both red?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i dont think 7 noms anyone. i think it still goes 15 26"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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honestly, i dont remember playing any games recently where 51 62 both redded"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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wdym?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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not you oka, btw"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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explain datisi"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, @mena, wdym by 256?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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tbh, from a newbie perspective, it kinda makes sense. i wouldnt say hes fasc from that alone."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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same"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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id rather give it some time before calling things straight-up fasc. we're early in the game and were just now getting some interesting info."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, @dweller, just inv egix and claim the result so we can keep moving please."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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were not really gonna get anything else of value until you inv them."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yea, ff plays you next, i think. it depends on what dweller sees though."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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no? they can still drop blues and claim rrr, or just go into conflict to bus."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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itd depend on what egix does, yes, but if egix passes dweller a blue, dweller has to play it."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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In post 382, Formerfish wrote:For us that's not until the first Sunday in November.that depends on what outcome you want. there's 120 potential outcomes. if you want rrbbb, its a 0.83% chance.
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idk why that ff quote is there."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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apparently i didnt vote, even though im 99.9% sure i sent a vote under this account, and not my main.
which yes, i have been voting under my main because im too lazy to switch to vv to vote. i also would play under korina, but its more fun to submit votes as korina for vex."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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if it reds, i think i play, right? isn't it like 145 if 26 cucu is red?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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is that a question?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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145 is the seat numbers. im referring to the players in seats 145, which is ff, me, you, respectively."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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mena, i hope you realize that if you shoot incorrectly, we go into 3v3, which is pretty much a guaranteed loss at that point.In post 460, Menalque wrote:can I be president after red 3 tho
bc I really wanna shoot someone
playing this game by meta is boring"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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the only time i saw the 3v3 turn into a lib victory was when i was fascist, i outted to hitler the other fascist, and then hitler shot me, only to eat lead shortly afterwards.
pedit: 14 45 51 @datisi"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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id get gun."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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which, im ok with, but not a fan of, since i dont really know who i'd shoot."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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oh wait, im dumb"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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se is a thing"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yea, im ok with ff having gun.
pedit: if im hitler, why havent i been more active?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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hitler wants to look liberal so they can get chans and win."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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ive been doing pretty much the bare minimums required to play tbh. mostly because seat four is just a glorified spectator."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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plus, like, if 26 reds, were gambling on literally anyone else not being hitty."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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