THE RESISTANCE II - Game Over!

[DiplomatDC]

/in I guess

[DiplomatDC]

Woah sorry fir the late enterence.
Not sure if this was discussed earlier, but about putting JDGA in the team just because he's the second leader is not really a good idea. Firstly because as what he said above, and secondly because it seems like the first mission is one of the easiest missions to succeed (correct me if I'm wrong here, first time playing Resistance), we shouldn't waste it just to see whether JDGA is scum.
Keep going and let the tells show themselves.

[DiplomatDC]

Oh, and I would also like to know what is DeathNote's opinion on who should go on the mission.

[DiplomatDC]

Imo Jason seems pretty town with logical arguements and talks much on this thread with meaningful content.
And Death I would really like to see your first proposal, we could talk about it and you might even have time to modify it before the deadline.

[DiplomatDC]

I would propose Siveure, Jal, and DiplomatDC, just based on posts in-thread up to the end of Page 5.

Why did you want me on the mission, Bowser? I didn't post much in this thread.
Anyway since JDGA isn't in here I think you guys don't have to worry about him. Unless he's town.

Putting yourself on a mission is, to me, not townie.

CDB on a mission and he finds me scummy, and he has yet to answer my question I threw at him?

No. Nononononononononono. Going against.

I don't think putting oneself into a team is scummy though, it's probably in the leader's best interests, town or scum to do so. Of course, if you do suspect leader is scum you could reject the proposal anyway.

[DiplomatDC]

Also, I'll look through and think about my opinions and post here later.

[DiplomatDC]

Yeah I see your points, that's kinda of unreasonable, but I won't say Browser is for sure scum yet, maybe he is just pushing you too hard.
Voting yes, I'm fine with all 3 players as of now, although DeathNote seems a bit lurk-ish initially (especially being the leader), but he picked up and gained momentum.
Also, to clarify about my earlier post at #153, I admit that I'm one of the most inactive players here with only 6 posts to date compared to the others at 10 or more, so I'm kinda suspicious as to how Browser named me as one of his choices for a team even as I was lurking.

[DiplomatDC]

Why aren't you making a big deal of me naming you in my three as well?

Crap, sorry, oversight on my part. My opinuon still stands similarly to your proposal.
Voting yes for the moment.

[DiplomatDC]

Less than 24 hours to vote. Remember, all 10 players must vote.

I assume prod then replacement on players who fail to vote?

[DiplomatDC]

Why aren't you making a big deal of me naming you in my three as well?

Crap, sorry, oversight on my part. My opinuon still stands similarly to your proposal.
Voting yes for the moment.

Wait, actually, what does this mean?

I meant that I want to raise my points against Browser about putting a lurker (me) up in his team to you as well.

Why aren't you making a big deal of me naming you in my three as well?

Crap, sorry, oversight on my part. My opinuon still stands similarly to your proposal.
Voting yes for the moment.

Why exactly are you voting yes? Of all missions this is the one we should be least willing to pass first time because
1) we have the list info purely because it's the first one
2) The leader has been unreadable at best
3) It's the one we get the best chance of having go right

Furthermore you haven't once stated an opinion on any of the players nominated for this mission so it baffles me as to why you're voting for it to pass. I'm very suspect of how lightly you're taking this

Ah sorry, I was kinda inactive and in a rush, but I'll talk more in the coming 24 hours when I'm more free. I feel that those 3 players lean town imo, except maybe DeathNote, because he seemed inactive until the last 20 hours when he briefly came out with the proposal. I know it was a risky move, but I think he was genuine in his inactivity.

Back from a retreat. Working till 9.

I will be nominating myself but no idea who else is town yet because... I haven't really payed attention. I will look things over tonight.

Oh, and the next mission. Personally I would like to see JasonWazza in the team, as I see him as being the most contributing to the thread as of far. but that's just my opinion. More tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Fixed (I hope)

[DiplomatDC]

What happens when you string quote tags wrongly.
Will fix when I go online on a computer.

[DiplomatDC]

Hi guys
So CDB seems town
TS seems town
If we didn't have time to discuss, that'd be my proposal
But we do have 72 hours to discuss, so feel free to point out how anyone else has appeared town at all because I'm not seeing it but I know there's six town so -_-
(I just woke up and I have to hurry, sorry for the stream-of-consciousness)

Haven't got on a comp yet, I promise when I do I'll fix the quote. (the one with TS)
I really hope you would state your reasons as to your choices. A bit more than 'X seems town' would be nice. (wonder why no one has pointed this yet).
Just my opinion, but his earlier posts about his experience as scum and how he is using it as an experience for this game seems a bit.. forced when it comes to him justifying him being pro-town.

[DiplomatDC]

Notice how JDGA hasn't gave a reason for these people in his mission at all apart from "X seems town.". Rejecting until he replies.

[DiplomatDC]

Oh look, so basically you think I'm scum, you think Jason is scum too, because of how I called Jason town, so thus the interaction. I don't get think, do you find me scummy because I find JW town or the other way round?

[DiplomatDC]

1) Stating suspicion of CDB while simultaneously voting yes to the mission CDB was on. (#157, #175)
2) Inconsistent reasons to refuse a mission - no to JDGA's b/c he's not stating anything more than "seems like town" on the people he's taking, yet deathnote wasn't that good on that either methinks.
3) Wishy-washy attitude.

Maybe he's just derptown, but eurgh I hope to hell not.

Lurking is null b/c it doesn't help scum at all, so I doubt thurhame is last scum.

Aren't three points boil down to inconsistency of my actions? It's the same thing.
My turn to refute. Although I highly doubt your views of me will change, same thing JW, I'm not going to change my mindset all of a sudden just because in general town seems to think JW is scum.
I admit - I took a risk, as town didn't had much info. This is my first game and I didn't know everyone usually rejects the first mission.

[DiplomatDC]

So I had to adapt to how everyone was playing, and that might have made me seem indecisive.
As for JDGA - Are you guys honestly content with such a post like 'TS is town. CDB is town.' as a reason to accept the mission? Of course, JDGA did say something eventually, and after that I dropped my suspicion on him (just that I did not post), and I havr to say I do agree with him and I am going for the mission
Finally, CDB. Although yes, he did put me in his choices when clearly I have contributed little to the thread, but I think he seems more like town, he did contribute a lot of meaningful content, but again I stress tjat was not the reason I accepted the first mission. I was just willing to take a risk. Sorry guys for not posting anything about this earlier, I'm sorry if I played badly/not talked which resulted in misunderstanding. Again, you can choose to believe me or not, that's is your own decision to make.

[DiplomatDC]

Hello guys, sorry for not posting much (I do have a bunch of tests IRL), and it's nice to see that the first mission has succeeded. I think as of now it's safe to bet that those 3 agents sent in are all town.

As for the second, I would probably be sending myself in unless all of you can agree on 4 other people that seem more town-like to me, but that is unlikely to happen, but if you guys do find any 4 people you are more confident with in the mission, I really do not mind not being on this one for the sake of town.

DiplomatDC: Basically a lurker where i couldn't think of a fourth to round off my list

I won't fault you for this, because I really felt didn't post much. Although I'll admit it would be hard to change people's views of me here, I'll try to be as helpful as possible from now on.

For the second mission I would still like to have JasonWassa (although he might reject the mission, putting me in his scum list already), and perhaps also one or two people from the first mission. Are you guys alright with that?

Finally, V/LA (and I mean no access to the internet at all) from 13 May - 17 May, sorry guys but I have a camp to attend and we aren't allowed to have technological devices during the duration of the camp, pardon me if any inconvenience is caused.

[DiplomatDC]

JasonWazza* yeah sorry for the typo there.

[DiplomatDC]

I do have some concerns with JDGA, he hasn't posted much either... Do you think everybody will agree with the mission if I just put CDB+JDGA+TS+myself?
Because people are beginning to suspect you too (although I think otherwise, I still think TS leans town), plus people also suspect myself and said mission would likely not have a majority in going through.

[DiplomatDC]

I like Jal, he's been logical all game. Come to the wrong conclusion in a few cases

*coughmecough*

, but he's been logical and forthright with his reads. I'd definitely approve him going on missions.

I'll have to agree on this. I think most people would accept Jal if he goes into the mission, I don't see anyone listing him as scum yet too. (Might be wrong on this; will reread that part just to make sure)

[DiplomatDC]

I'll reread the thread, and by the way if you guys still find me as scummy, I would be okay to not put myself on this mission (if that makes you feel confident) so long as you decide on 4 other people more worthy than myself.

[DiplomatDC]

Quick poll too: How many people would agree on a mission where the 3 from the first mission + Jal go on this one?

[DiplomatDC]

Jal himself two pages ago, backed by TS. I did want to propose Jal before you mentioned it.
Ah well, you do want to have a safe mission, besides even if this one doesn't go through four more leaders are still waiting

Propose: TS, Jal, JDGA, Channeldelibird

No time left, Siv and TS 'll try to answer those concerns of your tomorrow, wished I had more time but apperantly the site borked for a while...

[DiplomatDC]

Aaaaand this makes no sense.

Rejecting b/c I want a mission to lead.

So basically you are rejecting this because:
1) You find me scum and thus even if I didn't pick myself I would have very well picked scum.
That I can't argue, because I would theoretically still have tried to put scum on a mission, however I hope you would not solely reject the mission because of me but rather decide for yourself whether these people I picked were scum.
2) For not picking myself
Haven't seen the first Resistance game (could someone link me to it?) whether this has happened before, but I thought it would have been better for me to select people who are more accepted by town rather than me (whom suspicion has already been thrown on), and I know a number of people would reject me if I am in the mission and thus I decided to put myself outside the mission. I really can't see how this would influence your decision to reject.
But of course you can reject, you still have 4 more tries with 4 other leaders if you're too suspicious of me.

[DiplomatDC]

By the way guys, call me an idiot if I fail to spot this (and for pulling this), but this message, Siv's supposed "scumslip" (tell me I got the quote right):

Um...

No, b/c
One) Slight worries on TS (which is probably omgus if anything)
Two) I don't want to have a vote on my mission.

I don't get why that makes him scum to you guys.

[DiplomatDC]

Those spamming posts seemed to be like "oh shit. i got caught. i know, i'll spam the fuck out of this thread and confuse the town!"

not buying your shit, siv.

also sorry i havent been paying much attention to this thread. had more important things to do.

But doesn't town have even more reason to panic than town if fingered at? Scum must be thinking "meh, there's still 3 partners that can help me", but for town wrongfully accused as scum that means in the perspective of this town member there are only 5 town that this group can rely on to go on missions.
And the 5th mission requires 5 members.

[DiplomatDC]

I seriously overlooked that...

[DiplomatDC]

First of all, Jason, that was really a very short decision (approximately 18 hours when we had 72 to discuss), not going to listen to the inputs of the rest first?

I figure this is getting rejected so my care factor is limited.

Propose: JasonWazza, TS, Jal, ChannelDelibird

Also, this post. Do you intend to mean you don't care about this mission?

[DiplomatDC]

Well Jason you basically made a mission after a short time without much discussion. And the way he says it implies he's given up on his mission.
At least Siv tries to 'improve his town cred', I know some people would not agree with him but at least he makes an effort after his supposed 'scumslip'. Albeit spamming the thread and all, but I don't think it's scummy. It's just painful to read everything separately the way he posts.
Sidenote here, my V/LA would be about the time this mission lead by Siv ends. I'll probably have no internet access since it's a camp and all, so would it be okay if I tell Xalve to submit rejects for all proposed missions, unless 4 rejects have happened in a row already?

[DiplomatDC]

I'm impressed Thurmane was able to decline and all without being around or talking.

He's V/LA. I guesshe had enough access to submit a reject, but it might be too inconvenient for him to read and respond to the thread. You can ask him when he comes back.

[DiplomatDC]

Argh, but if you hold off until Sunday evening, I'll probably be gone by then (monday morning for me).
Them schedule problems.

[DiplomatDC]

Honestly it's only Thurmane I'm worried about. I'll go ISO him first before I leave.
Oh, and TS, said camp isn't amish. It's some complusory camp by my school by Outward Bound.

[DiplomatDC]

I find that Thurhame was rather a lurker with a bunch of posts with little content in the early game, although he has gotten better now. It's rather unfortunate my V/LA has to be right after his.
I am, however, suspicious of this post. It seems like an effort to stop discussion, being tired should not stop everyone else from conversing.

Can we please. Stop. Discussing. Siv.

I do not like coming back after a busy day to find two pages of pointless posts.

I think I am still not too confident however about sending him, I wish I could he more of him now that he's back, unfortunately I can't. For that, I guess I'll have to reject this mission, not because I don't like anyone of the people Siv pointed out, but more because of a lack of content that I can view.

[DiplomatDC]

Just got back.
Will be kept logged on but I need to bathe and shit and all that, so don't come on me for logging on and not replying. Yet. Will read and respond in a few hours.

[DiplomatDC]

Bowser seems scummy now, without any reason he has disappeared for 5 days and his last post:

Not going to accept a Siv mission anyway.

Do we all agree that nowhere-here Bowser is scum?

Remind me to quote this again that your dumb ass and everyone following your dumb ass were WRONG when we lose this game. >_>

This seems like he has gave up, which by right all town players shouldn't (lest they risk losing the game), also he does not make an effort at all to refute this claim. Bowser, if you're still here, speak up.

Probably also Jason too now, his last few posts weren't so high on content, and he hasn't posted much. Also because he seems lacklustre during his leadership.

[DiplomatDC]

Everyone else is off in never never land.

Let's just say I'm really kind of lost reading your conversation.

[DiplomatDC]

Nope, JasonWazza and DeathNote worry me.
I'm pretty sure most of the mafia are inactive. I'm worried about the last active person who probably moled his way into Mission 2.

[DiplomatDC]

Let me make this perfectly clear to everyone.

Think about how many scum you think are on that mission.

if you think 0 scum, you have no reason not to accept.
if you think only 1 scum, then you have a reason to not accept.
If you think 2+ then you have no reason not to accept the mission for possible future benefit.

I have to disagree. Unless you firmly believe Thurhame AND TS are scum, you should try to negotiate a better mission to ensure and not settle for less.
As mentioned, we're one mission down and a further failure complicates out situation.

[DiplomatDC]

Our situation, not out. Personally I'm still not happy about the line-up.
Jason, would you think TS and/or Thurhame are scum at this point?

[DiplomatDC]

Yep, so you find both of em town right? Thus you should expect them to be reliable and thus you should have more chances to find a perfect team to go on the mission. Then do it. Don't accept a mission you find has "2+ scum on it".

[DiplomatDC]

Bump, Xalve?

[DiplomatDC]

Oh, yay.
By the way, is voting done for Jal's mission?

[DiplomatDC]

But would't the chance of the mission succeeding depend on whether the players you chose are actually town and is independent of the town's approval?

[DiplomatDC]

I'm predicting Bowser/DN/Jason/JDGA now.
Therefore no as of now.

[DiplomatDC]

Submitted.
Sorry for being late I was out the whole day

[DiplomatDC]

All scum need to do is convince TWO townies to vote incorrectly, in any of the next two missions, and they win.

ALSO, we're probably gonna have to rely on your leadership to win this, so yeah. Dammit.

You know why even scum rejected? Probably because this team is legit and has one or no scum.

[DiplomatDC]

If Bowser is town he'd need to speak up and talk.

[DiplomatDC]

Bowser as town might be plausible... but as to who's the last mafia in my eyes... I'll have to look at it.

Sidenote here, I do think this team would work well.

[DiplomatDC]

Yep.

[DiplomatDC]

Well, to be honest this game heavily favours scum.
Next time I think we only need 3 spies.