Battlestar Galactica- Crisis! Nexus to contribute

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look, literally a world of yes

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Can I recommend one house rule: using the Pegasus expansion version of the 'Investigative Committee' skill card, which explicitly does not play Destiny cards face up until after all other cards played in have been revealed? The base game version is a little broken.

EDIT: I'd also recommend the official No Sympathiser variant as detailed here (though with Boomer still allowed, given that her exclusion there is mainly due to component limitations in the box), seeing as the Sympathiser rules promote some kinda stupid and un-thematic play, as well as being pretty shit for whoever draws the card. As standard, 6p is a lot less good than 5p in the base game, though I'd still play without it.

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I will indeed take William Adama (and vote for No Sympathiser). Y'all have correctly picked my top two choices in priority order; clearly, we should be perfectly in sync to blitz this game.

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No sympathizer just means we play the game with an extra "you are not a cylon" card instead of the sympathizer card?

It also starts the resources a little lower and lets revealed Cylons draw three skills at the start of their turn rather than two, to balance things out.

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I'll take Lee since CDB took my usual

Having a usual is for the weak!

We should probably invest in some Engineering before Gamma's sudden but inevitable betrayal.

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OK, Engineering could potentially be a bit of an issue if we're not careful. Keep those Consolidate Powers handy...

2

Leadership

1

Tactics

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5pm-or-7pm to start is correct but worth specifying that raiders will move whichever direction would take them most quickly to a civilian, defaulting to clockwise if it would be equal (as it is right now). So 5pm is, yes, probably the best starting position, but just be aware when multiple ships start coming out.

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I can play high into this but I'll need a little help.

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I agree that it shouldn't need all of us.

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I've no desire to crown myself Supreme Imperator of the Universe - yet - and would rather we didn't spend a turn faffing around to put the presidency back in the hands of someone more appropriate.

Take the population hit

Discard:

2 - Executive Order

[ChannelDelibird]

Gamma, I suspect you're in the best position for an XO. It would be nice to have a riposte at the basestar but also if we could get a scout away in the hopes of getting some jump prep. Are you in a position to do that? I will probably still XO you anyway but I feel like I should check what you're going to be doing first.

Anyone have any brighter ideas?

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I'm just going to do it anyway. Even if no scout, two shots at the basestar sounds pretty great.

Move to Command.

Play

2-Executive Order

on Gamma.

[ChannelDelibird]

I can live with losing my cards.

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Discard:

2-Executive Order

1-Launch Scout

1-Launch Scout

[ChannelDelibird]

CP seems reasonable, unless you want to XO the president for Quorum cards.

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Morale definitely the least bad loss there.

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Yes please and thank you

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My one remaining card isn't all that but I often see at least one nuke left in reserve at the end of games and we've already lost some morale.

Discard 1 nuke token.

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Well, goddamn, is this starting to get a bit hideous. Back to 1 jump prep means scouting crises for jump prep should be a priority (I can't at the moment but we've got enough cards lying around that someone must be able to). An XO to Prozac to shoot the ever-loving crap out of some heavy raiders would be good. If Prozac happens to be able to do both of those things then we're having a party.

XOing Gamma might also work if he can scout+shoot basestars; not sure whether I'd prefer those or the heavy raiders shot first.

[ChannelDelibird]

i do have a launch scout card but it feels likely that it'd be just a waste of an action, even though I know the next card not having a jump would be pretty bad here

Given how bad not having jump prep would be, it's hard to call making sure a waste.

we could just nuke the basestar that just showed up, i think we probably want to use it before the halfway point of the game to make it less likely that cdb becomes a cylon then and wastes it, and we don't have a lot of other 'outs' here given the FTL being so low

I agree that using the nuke before sleeper might be a good idea but XOing me to nuke right now is a pretty bad option given that my second action would just be to activate Command, which is nowhere near the top of our priority list (there's not even any raiders we can hope to get as collateral nuke damage, either).

If Prozac has both Maximum Firepower and Launch Scout then I think that's what I'd prefer to happen.

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That's a good shout.

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I've got one low card left, which I'll play in.

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Playing one low.

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This feels like a fairly straightforward XO to Gamma but my head's a bit fuzzy; someone tell me if I'm missing something obvious.

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Well, then.

No move
Play

1-Executive Order

on Boomer

[ChannelDelibird]

I couldn't do a huge amount with this and I'm not sure the benefits would be worth the number of cards spent, loath as I am to lose morale. Would probably send the president to sickbay if we're in a position to XO her out (purely because I'm in a more XO-able position than Communications but I'm open to taking the hit myself).

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Sorry about that guys, interruption should be done with now.

With six already played in, I'm not sure exactly whether it's worth my adding any more, especially if Prozac has gone quite hard in. I think I'm going to save my cards.

Play 0 cards

[ChannelDelibird]

Ah! I've reread the thread in a less-than-ideal order. With that in mind, I'll go ahead and add a little bit to hopefully make up the difference.

Play 1 card

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Yeah, I agree, especially after we've put as many cards into it as we have. But I'd probably hate a significant overshoot more than I would have hated us tanking it.

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GUYS I CAN'T BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THIS BUT I FUCKED UP

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Jesus Christ I am such an idiot

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and FYI I didn't have to admit to that because of my power that makes 1s positives, but I want to be upfront about the fact that I've been a dolt tonight.

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Since Will Adama's power is a thing, it is more than possible the two bad cards came from destiny.

That's a weird thing to suggest that I could be lying about.

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Not a bad idea. Probably worth moving to either the Armoury or FTL Control before you do it.

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Right. My 24-hour brainfart is over and I can assess this game sensibly again, while playing the cards I actually want to play. Exciting.

I agree with Gamma's concern over the heavy raiders and the lessening population risk probably isn't worth the hassle of trying to hold them off longer/fight them off when they board. So let's just be sensible about this.

Move to FTL Control
Jump the fleet

Play

3-Strategic Planning

as an interrupt on the population roll

[ChannelDelibird]

Buckle up; we've jumped into an

Asteroid Field

.

Distance 3. Lose 2 Fuel, then draw 1 Civilian ship and destroy it.

[ChannelDelibird]

Eesh. That's not a crisis I'd hoped to see. I can dump the remainder of my hand into this but it would be no more than a low contribution - I could handle the discard but, equally, it's not much greater a risk to me personally to try going for it.

Very dependent on how everyone else is feeling about this.

[ChannelDelibird]

Firstly, we don't lose any population because of the population roll, because of CDB's strategic planning. Unless Im missing something?

The +2 was included in the dice tags. The roll was 4, raised to 6, which fails.

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There are worse times to use the Research Lab but I'd rather see a scout.

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Can we confirm what strength the Launch Scout card was, please?

I can play low into this.

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Playing one low card.

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It sounds like we'll need a little more. Depends on STD, I guess, but I'd much rather pass this than fail. Morale is on the low side.

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Well, I hope you're right. Neither Nexus nor I can play into this at all and we really need to pass it.

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OP says 0.

Mod

, is that accurate? I'd similarly got one lying around in my notes but assumed that I'd just forgotten to delete it when I used it.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well OK. I guess I'd better double-check my own hand.

EDIT: Alas, I just suck at note-taking. Still no cards.

[ChannelDelibird]

V/LA until September 17

- Won't have a lot of internet access at Scumdon but I'll check in whenever I can.

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...honey, I'm home?

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If you have some tat in your hand, you could use the President's Office; if we can find an Inspirational Speech during this jump cycle that'd be a welcome boost. If you have an XO, can Gamma scout?

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Then get your fat, lazy ass out of bed, Roslin.

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also want to point out that me using a launch scout on nexus's turn seems really wasteful when he already has an ability that lets him choose the best of two crisis cards

Good point, well remembered. Though I guess you could scout Destination if you wanted some oversight on me.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, ffs. I still don't have any cards so I have to pass. If only this had come next turn.

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Yeah I have absolutely nothing at all in my hand. That's a good shout though.

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So who needs an XO

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Either the president or someone who can scout seems ideal.

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Gamma, can you scout? If not I'm probably throwing the XO to Nexus for miscellaneous quorum fun times.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK. Going to stay in FTL Control as there's no pressing need to be elsewhere and it provides insurance against hypothetical Cylon Zarek trying to lose us three more pop.

No Move
Action: Play

1-Executive Order

on Roslin

[ChannelDelibird]

Generic quorum stuff most likely, maybe moving back to the President's Office if you have a card worth losing. You know your hands better than me.

[ChannelDelibird]

I think moving is reasonable. We're not going to need Roslin to be running around using locations on Galactica that we can't cover ourselves, with her drawback, so we might as well have her in position to activate the President's Office should we need to cycle through the deck quickly at a later point.

[ChannelDelibird]

You can only jump into one of the ones being launched into 5 o'clock. Not sure what the best immediate action would be; you probably want to be staying there rather than closing in on the raiders. If you have a Scout or Consolidate Power, I guess that's about it.

[ChannelDelibird]

I could doublescout on an XO.

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I would have made more of a noise if I'd realised at the time that Prozac would be a next-O, but we got away with it this time. Given our sensitive population, I'd rather we didn't risk consecutive turns of somebody hitting FTL at -3 and then revealing at the start of the jump cycle.

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Well, yeah, I can understand not XO-ing me on top of FTL either. I probably would have consolidated in your position.

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I've not got a lot for this at all but it's worth us trying to pass. If anyone's got an Investigative Committee, I think this would be a good time to use it.

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Zarek, how are you looking for this? I can only play in low as a little cover for destiny; do you need that or should I save myself the cards?

[ChannelDelibird]

In that case, I will put in one card.

1-Executive Order

[ChannelDelibird]

The 1 indicates the strength of the card, not how many of them I'm playing. For clarity: I've played one Executive Order with a strength of 1.

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Yeah, given that we're about to hit sleeper anyway this seems a bit like a waste of a four-point card to me.

[ChannelDelibird]

Prozac, what did you choose for your variable skill draw?

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, obviously I remain very poorly equipped for this if we were to do the skill check but I suspect we should be able to do it as Prozac drew Leadership but didn't XO. Roslin, Zarek, how are you set for this? Also, even a conservative estimate suggests that Destiny has a good chance of being positive.

[ChannelDelibird]

Bump for input!

[ChannelDelibird]

OK. Given Apollo's draw, I do think we should go for it anyway. Should be able to scrape it.

Also, Nexus, just to be 100% clear: Should we concerned about our favourite

rabble-rouser

Soylent-Greenifier

esteemed delegate?

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(COs are fun)

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1 card

, low

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Secrecy rules say that you can't say medium for a single card, only if you put in multiple cards. For a single card, you can say 'low' or 'high'

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both of me passes on EM

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This would not have been my ideal choice but you'll just have to trust me that it's better than the alternative.

Tylium Planet

. Distance 1. Lose 1 Fuel. The Admiral may risk 1 Raptor to roll a die. If 3 or higher, gain 2 Fuel. Otherwise, destroy 1 Raptor.

Risk a raptor, pass on Strategic Planning

[ChannelDelibird]

Yeah so we have to start scouting more.

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Given that Boomer remains pretty useful even in the Brig, I think I'd be happier letting her have a chance to prove herself through Recon or OPG before we make it easy for her to escape. I won't be playing anything into the check.

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I was more arguing for not using your ability either way and letting Gamma take his chances with destiny but alright.

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Yeah probably quorum/skill cards depending on what's already in said hands.

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It'll be easier when Nexus reveals and can add a red glow to her eyes.

Anyway, re 426: Depends on what you think of your hand. If uninspiring skill cards, discard two to activate President's Office. Alternatives include using Consolidate Power to draw more skills or using the President title card to draw one quorum.

[ChannelDelibird]

If Apollo can launch+scout destination+do one unspecified other thing then he'd be a safe enough XO.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, there's not an awful lot of damage that he could do right now if he decided to use his turn nefariously. If I were you I'd probably be improving one of my hands instead, but if you want to XO then he's the only one that would be able to make any serious use of it (I could move + scout destination but I'm assuming you don't want to next-O me).

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You planning on flying a plane any time soon, Madame President?

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Well, we already have two people drawing two piloting a turn, and piloting is more likely to be negative than positive for your average skill check.

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Well, tbh, I think editing posts after you've bolded an action is a bit iffy game-integrity-wise but it's Sudo's call on that. But I'd've preferred to see you draw politics/leadership/tactics

[ChannelDelibird]

Yeah, I mean I'm not accusing Nexus of cheating, I just sort of realised that we haven't specifically said 'bolded is locked' or anything like that and got a bit uncomfortable.

I don't necessarily think that we should be debating every aspect of a player's turn (and I'm somewhat burned by how long our Vassal game took the other day because of that impulse ) so I was quite happy to just be snarking at Nexus's choice and getting on with it, whether it be a genuine mistake or a sneaky Cylon attempt to draw untraceable spiking power.

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Can confirm that that is what our FILTHY METALLIC PRESIDENT originally did

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Vote Zarek '14

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Well, given that I'm in FTL Control and am up next (not to mention, y'know, the centurion bullshit), I am strongly in favour of going for this. I'll play what I've got but it's only low.

Play 2 cards

[ChannelDelibird]

If I'd been more awake at the time I would have stopped to make sure that we can do this. Hell with it, though, just going all in.

[ChannelDelibird]

Gah, should have demanded an IC from Nexus or something

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Yeah I regret rushing into this now.

[ChannelDelibird]

It might have been more sensible to tank this with hindsight but we have cards in now so we might as well not half-arse it. I'd like you to play.

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On the assumption that the Cylon(s) will attempt to spike, I would like for human players to contribute, yes.

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Agreed. I didn't get the Strategic Planning that I wanted but, if someone has one left over, that would be worth using here.

Move: Armory
Action: Activate Armory, shoot Brian the Wandering Toaster in his shiny metal face. Pass on Strategic Planning

[ChannelDelibird]

Three cards is a better price than usual and I'm kind of interested in what your discards would be but we're high on food. Would welcome other opinions.

[ChannelDelibird]

Yeah, cards are probably the more precious resource at the moment, concerned as I am about the temperature of our esteemed president's breakfast materials. Think losing food's the better choice here.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'd support consolidating into any of your colours. Maybe moving to Administration or FTL? Research Lab might be the safer compromise, though.

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't have anything for this. Should Zarek be helping with this? I think there's a pretty good chance that a toaster has played in.

Pass

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, this is why it helps to say high, medium or low when we're playing in. Think I support Zarek's move there in the circumstances.

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I think this is a time that we should be using for scouting. I could do one on an XO but I wouldn't have a particularly useful second action.

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Well, you'd get no help from me in brigging Zarek. Mistakes can be made in this game (I've quite visibly made some of my own earlier) but I'm much more suspicious of the motives behind, say, Roslin drawing Piloting and both of you being unwilling to communicate about how much you're playing into skill checks. I know that you know well enough to say things like 'high' or 'low' or, god forbid, talk about how much we can help with checks before we start all playing in.

Can you scout?

[ChannelDelibird]

In other news, I'm starting to get real leery about Apollo once again not having any XOs.

[ChannelDelibird]

If I meant that the lack of communication about skill checks was relevant to that single check only, I'd have said so. It's been a regular thing - although, similar criticisms can be levelled at Gamma as well so we know at least one human is being less than ideally helpful but I definitely think it's advantageous for the Cylons to encourage such an approach. Zarek has been the most regularly open player about this sort of thing which is part of the reason why I trust him more. I also think that players are more likely to want to try to see what others have put into a skill check (even if the logic doesn't hold up, as STD rightly points out, the intent is there) if said players haven't said anything about how high their contributions are.

At any rate, typing "I can help low, is it worth it?" or similar on a DS is not, I would argue, harder than sending a PM for cards and then posting how many you've played in. That's more my issue with you than accusing you of spiking this particular check. By the time it got to STD, your plays were bolded and sent and done.

Can you scout?

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In other news, brigging people denies us crisis cards, which we really need right now while the board is quiet, given our resources-to-distance ratio.

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I don't know why you're not including Roslin as plausible scum, especially if you're basing it only on that skill check just now.

Re: Gamma, he is statistically the most likely Cylon and can still be useful in the brig because his character is designed to spend time there and can help to ensure that the crises we do get are more likely to have jump icons. Keeping my cards then was reasonable, and keeping them now would be entirely reasonable as well.

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Apollo should be able to do the rest.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's only a 6. We shouldn't overcomplicate this. Unless Apollo expressly needs help (which seems unlikely), don't.

[ChannelDelibird]

I hadn't thought about that crisis in context of Religious Visions but, you're right, it's another point in favour of Roslin being a Cylon.

I'd be happy enough with you coming out of the brig.

[ChannelDelibird]

Yikes, sorry, forgot I hadn't passed.

Pass

[ChannelDelibird]

I am happy enough with Boomer breaking out that I'd be willing to play my card (low) into it if Zarek's friends are amenable.

[ChannelDelibird]

Hmm. With the target 7 and Roslin's choice of crisis to come, I'm hoping that I'm not making a mistake with this, but I think I'm still going to play into this if it's just me and Boomer.

[ChannelDelibird]

Play one card (low)

[ChannelDelibird]

Boomer has a bunch of cards from the brig and Roslin draws next. Only one choice here.

[ChannelDelibird]

yesplz

[ChannelDelibird]

You dropping your piloting just now does have me maaaybe wondering if I've been wrong, though I probably need to read back a bit to refresh my memory of things.

Do you have an XO? If not, maybe some quorum-mining is the best bet. If I trusted you, I'd probably recommend consolidating power for purple, but I don't, so I won't.

[ChannelDelibird]

Pass

Don't have any... whatchamacallit... cards.

Rather pass this than fail but, if there's any chance that Roslin has a pardon lying around, I'd be inclined to save everyone's cards. Not sure who I'd want brigged at this point, either.

[ChannelDelibird]

Are you maybe able to join as all the players?

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I guess this has proved irretrievable? Alas.

Can we find out who the toasters were?