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Post #76 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:08 pm
Postby Faalcon »
@Ircher : I was answering to a bad joke of elekitu's, which randomidgrt kept on. My point was that picking now is pointless as it'll be done randomly. And chances are not in our favour.
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Post #142 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:12 am
Postby Faalcon »
IMO there are at least two spies in Radja/S_S/KTS, and I believe it's the former ones. I'd not pick KTS for now, though.
I won't pick until near the deadline. We've got time and now Radja picked a team, we have plenty to discuss about.
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Post #145 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:03 am
Postby Faalcon »
Want me to add things ? Okay then.
Why there are 2 or 3 scum in the first team :
-This is not a full town team. You won't make me believe this (see my reads below).
-If there is one scum, the votes do not make sense. With at least two team members accepting, plus three or four scums, there were at least 5 accepting. It would have passed or been a very narrow rejection. Nobody can make reads on a 5-5, so it was a gain-a-lot/lose nothing situation for the scum team.
Now, let's read everyone.
Why I think Radja is scum :
Spoiler:
His first post is pretty neutral. He's choosing, and asking for advices.
Then he complains about people accusinf each other immediately. Why I understand his point, it's not like we have much else to do, and he does the very same thing he ciricizes : he accuses people immediately because...those people accused others immediately. You cannot do this and stay town.
He's right about not voting early though. Like in mafia, the longer days last, the better it is.
Now ghe next thing he does is posting a team. Early. The first one that was suggested. This goes against whatever he said before.
Then he refuses debate on the votes. While I understand what he says, scum have enough information to decide without the 6 other people saying what they did.
Then he explains he thinks it is an all-town team, but just wants to see what people will vote. If he really thinks it is a town team, shouldn't he want us to accept it ? Plus he could just have asked with his 3 days left.
So Radja says one thing and then its contrary, or says one thing is bad and then immediately does it. Scum.
Why I don't know about KTS :
Spoiler:
Let's read his posts.
#18 : well, nothing to read here.
#23 : mykonian has, no meta on him. The mact makes him very sad.
#44 : could be a scum/townslip about what's happening, but I doubt it somehow. Maybe indicates he thinks #43 is bullshit.
#45 : he wants Radja to select him. Trying to buddy Radja ?
#62 : townreads N. Goes in pair with #44. His post is relevant, but the townread goes a bit far.
#65 : he agrees with Mykonian's answer to #62, Looks townish to me.
#67 : he read #66.
#71: I have no idea what this post means.
#78/80 : he... wants S_S to read better ? I'm lost here.
#90/91 : he is happy to be chosen.
#113 : see #78
#115/117 : he votes, and he rejects. Bad explanation.
#138 : slightly better explanation : he scumreads Radja and S_S. I think.
Okay, lots of posts ans so little in them. To judge I need content, and content I don't have.
Why I think Ircher is town :
Spoiler:
#37 is a cryptic mess. I hate cryptic messes, i cannot read them.
His next post is a classic town perspective .
He points out N's overreaction to Mykonian's post. He has a valid view, not more valid than the other side though.
He keeps this read in his nextnpost, while questioning Elekitu's read of him.
#75 makes me rethink the clarity of my posts, and his defense of his playstyle is valis. Neither of his posts looked strange to me.
His behaviour during the vote phase is okay. I'd have liked explanations though.
Nothing much to say here, pretty much the perfect VT first phase.
Why I don't have a clue about randomidget
Spoiler:
5 one liners. Okay then.
He wants to be picked, like pretty much everyone.
#72 : am I that hard to understand ? I was talking, about probabilities, not him.
#99 : private joke, doesn't say much.
I gained more information on my play than his.
Why I think Somethin_Smart is scum :
Spoiler:
I like his theory-heavy entry, and his fist answer to mykonian.
He gles a bit OMGUS later though, which is never good.
I don't like his readlist, explains things damnit ! Plus townreading oneself is doubtful at best.
His townread on Radja is strange.
#112 is shit. He takes a very valid question, and mocks it. And he does a sculread of Kick with that. "
His dynamic with Radja is strange. He agrees with everything Radja says, and Radja follows him. Buddying much.
His page 6 is awful, also. He treats "there is not exactly one scum" as "this is all town". And he explains badly why there is not exactly one scum in his opinion.
And #143 is a bad WIFOM.
I liked his early-game, then it spiralled down. Scummy.
Why I don't know about mykonian :
Spoiler:
His first post looks okay I guess.
His townread of N is far fetched to me, being paranoid and being town are two distinct things.
#28 is strange. Isn't buddying considered bad ?
His early aggression on S_S looks like an RVS to me, let's see where it goes.
#32 is strange. He's new to a game and has no resources about the meta, of course he's going theory-heavy. Plus being non-commital and not active in the early stages of the game is hardly scum-exclusive.
#34 is also strange. He reads S_S' s posts sentence by senrence in #32, then is mad at him for doing the same, on a greater scale, in #33. Plus S_S's post doesn't say "you're too direct so I'm town", it says : "you attack me because of unvalid things, if I'm scum it's not because lf that". And tunnelling is bad.
#39/48 are okay, #39 is pretty townish to me.
Then again, I don't know why we should pick early at first. Wd saw it get rejected by an overwhelming majority of playefs because we picked early. And while we waied for the pick there were still posts.
#55 is right though.
#66 is good on the answer. I don'like how the scumread comes from, tough.
#63 may assure us mykonian's not buddying N, but #85 looks very much like it.
I don't know what mykonian has against #33.
#97/101 are good. #103 not so much. #105 is okay.
I really don't like #141. The change of read on s_S is strange, as the dynamic between he and Radja goes both ways.
Things I like, things I don't. Nullread for now.
Why I think Elekitu's town :
Spoiler:
#26 is a nice entry.
At first I thought #59 was a joke, but it seems it was a serious demand of explanations. I'll use "luck" now I guess. Pretty good post anyway.
I disagree with the read on Ircher, though. Stating the obvious is often done by everyone, if only to start the debate. I see the reasoning though.
I like the explanation of the reject too.
There's not much, but what there is is pretty good.
Why I think Klick is town :
Spoiler:
supports #66. Pretty good insight on the early-game, too.
#84 is basically my thoughts on Elekitu's #68, so I like it.
#87 is why I rejected too. Damn.
#109 makes a good point.
#116 is 100% right. Not debating is never a good idea for obvious reasons.
#131 is a nice explanation. I'm not sure we can scumread people in a 4-6/5-5 though.
I don't agree with all the readlist.
I like #140, though.
Nearly perfect to me, strong townread.
Why I think (but am very unsure) N is scum :
Spoiler:
#21 : buddying detected and rejected. The paranoia ks quite strong.
#22 is "wow I want town to win". A bit LAMIST, but I can see frol where it comes.
#25 harshly stops the buddying. Or so we think.
#40 is strange at the very least, if Radja proves to be scum N obviously won't pick him again.
#47 is strage too, even if I don't agree with Ircher here the way N dismiswes the push is suspect.
#82 does the same thing but better, because the arguments it dismisses are much worse.
#83 is strange, liking a post is not about agreeing with it.
#92 is right.
#93 is the biggest reason I scumread N. After dismissing mykonian's attempts at buddying, this post is nlw welcoming yet another of those attempts. It's not consistent.
Thebrest is okay.
Not bad as a whole but something's making me reqlly uncomfortable. Slight sculread for now.
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Post #147 (isolation #7) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:59 am
Postby Faalcon »
I stand by what I said on Ircher.
What's bothering me on Radja's sending is that it happened after he said "I have almost 4 days left to decide". Plus he doesn't even decide, he takes the first team someone adviced.
Anyway, it's a lesser part of my read on Radja.
You're most likely right on the OMGUS thing. I'm pretty new to mafia/resistance, and I encountered only bad ones for now.. Sorry about that.
Let's call it "forming a block", then. What I'm criticizing is that you're forming it with Radja, which is highly debatable. As is your original townread of Radja because he townread you. You also defended him in the voting phase, and now he starts being more scumread you start admitting he could be scum (#143), while still defending the all-town team. That I also find strange.
The Occam Razor works better when you don't have an already strong scumread on the guy choosing the team.
You're right on some things, but some of your posts are still awful (#104, #112), and your dynamic with Radja makes me uncomfortable. I'm still scumreading you.
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Post #336 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:33 am
Postby Faalcon »
Elek/Klick still look clearly town to me, so I believe Ircher is the spy.
Radja/KTS I'd never send on a mission, and I'd rather not have N or randomidget in it either (just a gut feeling for N, though). I'd accept a mission with 4 people in me/Myko/Elek/Klick/S_S.
but please don't pick people, or there will likely be at least a mafia in the team.