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Post #84 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:36 pm
Postby Klick »
I meant the "your post is good too" part as more of a polite gesture than anything, to show that I didn't think Elekitu's post was necessarily
bad
even though I wasn't talking about his post. Plus, I had just woken up. Although looking at it now, I don't disagree with what I said. Although I disagree with Elekitu's conclusion, I think his post is good because of the thought process behind it. I can see the thought process behind Resistance!Elekitu having a sort of gut Spy feeling about Ircher's post #41.
In post 49, Radja wrote:It feels like there is a lot of distancing going on here.
What makes you think this?
At the moment the team I most support is Radja/Killthestory/Something_Smart.
I'd like an answer to this question. Radja seems to have read this post and based his pick on it, but he never answered the question (unless I missed it somewhere).
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Post #116 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:19 am
Postby Klick »
In post 110, Radja wrote:I think talking publically about accepting/rejecting works in scum's favor, so I suggest we don't do this.
In post 114, Something_Smart wrote:I picked one, but I agree with what Radja said about not discussing our votes. You should vote independently of how you think I will vote.
100% disagree. If I think a team should be rejected and would like to express this, I should be able to say, "Hey, I think this team should be rejected."
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Post #131 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:29 pm
Postby Klick »
Several people have expressed discomfort with the team, and in particular with you and Radja. Spies may have seen accepting the team as a scumtell. At least, if a third and/or fourth person accepted that team, I would probably be scumreading them right now.
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Post #134 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:46 pm
Postby Klick »
In post 133, Something_Smart wrote:It's a forgeone conclusion that Radja was going to accept.
Faalcon, Killthestory, randomidget and I never said whether we would accept. Ircher only said he would reject near the end of the voting period.
I don't think anybody could have predicted this extreme split when they voted. I sure didn't. (I suspected it might be rejected, but not by that much.)
You listed six names. The remaining four are mykonian, Elekitu, N and myself, all of which expressly didn't approve of the team. I can't answer for anyone else, but I'm not at all surprised that the vote was this lopsided when a 6-4 pass was the only thing saving the team.
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Post #137 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:10 pm
Postby Klick »
1) Who do think the spy was/spies were on the proposed team?
I had all three of you as some form of leaning scum, though Killthestory was more null than you and Radja. Radja's my biggest suspect by far at the moment and I likely wasn't accepting any team he proposed. I have a pet theory that involves a you/Radja/KTS team deciding to put up three Spies, but it's not weighing heavily in my thoughts.
2) What are your reads on the other players who were openly against it (mykonian, Elekitu, N)?
Have a look at the town list I composed around this time last night, in approximately this order:
Klick
Ircher
N
Elekitu
mykonian
I wouldn't say this has changed much if at all since then. There was reasoning behind each of these and I could probably point you to the posts I like from each of them, but it's largely gut-based.
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Post #140 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:14 pm
Postby Klick »
Yes, primarily from you.
Post 29 wrote:(I actually toyed with the idea of trying to send as many spies as possible on mission 1 or 2 to see what they would do, but that seemed risky and unlikely to be worthwhile.)
Also is the fact that spies are not exactly "lying" per se; they want who they want on the team, and they're usually straightforward about it.
This could be interpreted by Radja as "send as many spies as possible," backed up by the following sentence suggesting you're being straightforward about this.
Post 57 wrote:At the moment the team I most support is Radja/Killthestory/Something_Smart.
Radja's next post locks in this team. (Granted, this would take a large lack of subtlety on Radja's part, though I wouldn't think he'd see it as impossible to get away with.)
I'd like to point out that my reads aside from Radja-spy aren't terribly strong. You mentioned earlier that you see Radja as resistance; you're probably going to have to convince me otherwise if you want that opinion to change.
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Post #151 (isolation #16) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:59 am
Postby Klick »
In post 149, Something_Smart wrote:112 is me half trolling and half expressing incredulity that anyone could actually reject a team for that reason alone. (A feeling later elaborated on in 146.)
When did I say that was my only reason for rejecting the team?
And @ your Post 143, you have a point about it being dangerous if multiple spies decided to fail the mission, but I wouldn't count out the possibility of you all three deciding to pass. 3/4 of the Resistance games run for Clash of the Mash were lost for the Resistance primarily because players didn't keep in mind that spies could easily pass missions to maintain credibility. if you/Radja/KTS were all scum and all passed the first mission, I think this game would be a locked scum win tbh.
It's gonna take me a while to process the semi-walls posted in the last 5-6 posts. Skimming through Faalcon's reads/reasoning, I like where his head is at and could see myself accepting a team with Faalcon/myself/one of Faalcon's townreads, considering his two other townreads are players I also see as town right now.
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Post #153 (isolation #17) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:07 am
Postby Klick »
I've said at least twice that I'm not heavily considering the possibility of you three all being scum in my thoughts. The only reason I'm even still talking about it is because SS has been focusing on it in his responses to me.
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Post #209 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:52 am
Postby Klick »
In post 205, Radja wrote:I've explained my reads before. I don't see much reason to change them.
Why do you scumread KTS?
Your explanation was "gut," and you admit yourself that you no longer have much confidence in your reads.
I wouldn't necessarily say I scumread KTS much at this point, but I certainly don't townread him and because of that would not like him on the mission. I want a townread to be the fourth member so that the chances of the mission being all-town are as high as possible.
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Post #217 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:35 pm
Postby Klick »
I don't really agree with your reasoning myself, SS. Or at least, I feel like a large majority of it relies on knowing you're Resistance/having your opinions on certain things. I agree with the conclusion though, which is a team of Klick/Elekitu/Faalcon/{Ircher or myko}.
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Post #261 (isolation #32) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:08 pm
Postby Klick »
Radja didn't really stall, he pretended to and then chose something really quickly after saying he had all the time in the world. Faalcon already wasn't posting much before becoming captain, and he seems to have only submitted as early as he did because of pressure.
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Post #292 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:05 pm
Postby Klick »
Okay I'll try this one more time
"Blatant" is determined by the majority
The fact that you're playing in a way you perceive as town-like does not mean everyone else will see you as town. In fact, your own perception of your play has absolutely no importance. If your goal is to be seen as blatantly town, you should do things that the majority of people in the game will see as things that only town would do.
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Post #317 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:59 am
Postby Klick »
I really want to believe Ircher's town. But I'm willing to accept I could be wrong on that.
Elekitu's town, I have trouble seeing myself change my mind on that. If Ircher didn't fail the mission, Faalcon did. But I don't think Faalcon's scum either.
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Post #324 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:06 pm
Postby Klick »
SS is my unpopular townread. I initially saw N as town but lost that somewhere and I'm having trouble gaining it again.
Basically this mission should fail but I have confidence in the next four. In fact I would probably be confident in that team of four, me/Elekitu/myko/SS, though I don't expect it to pass.
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Post #344 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:53 am
Postby Klick »
Discussion of the RL is dangerous, spies finding the RL is literally a loss condition for resistance, and therefore I propose we stop talking about it.
Although looking at it now, I don't disagree with what I said. Although I disagree with Elekitu's conclusion, I think his post is good because of the thought process behind it. I can see the thought process behind Resistance!Elekitu having a sort of gut Spy feeling about Ircher's post #41.
long time no see!