Fantasy LCS 2014 Spring Split - SCHEDULE DRAFTS!

[dramonic]

Egopost

[Nexus]

Capitalise the 'N', bitch.

Edit: @Quadz.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah I got that.

What I'm asking is how the minimum of one player per role and each player is on only one team interact. Or did I mess up and you're not still running that? Like, you can't take the last adc if someone doesn't have an adc in their team yet.

No player will be able to draft in such a way that another player will be unable to have at least one player of any position. I'll add that rule in.

Ehh? I thought we talked about this and said that there's enough in the player pool leftover to warrant it being valid, plus if someone really wants to horde ADCs to try and force other members of their league to trade with them, it's a viable strategy.

[Saki]

/out

[quadz08]

Yeah I got that.

What I'm asking is how the minimum of one player per role and each player is on only one team interact. Or did I mess up and you're not still running that? Like, you can't take the last adc if someone doesn't have an adc in their team yet.

No player will be able to draft in such a way that another player will be unable to have at least one player of any position. I'll add that rule in.

Ehh? I thought we talked about this and said that there's enough in the player pool leftover to warrant it being valid, plus if someone really wants to horde ADCs to try and force other members of their league to trade with them, it's a viable strategy.

I think we discussed that your friend did that, but it's functionally impossible in fantasy football to remove

every

player of a certain position. If we don't put a restriction on that, we could force someone into a situation where they literally cannot pick a single player of some position, and I don't think that should be allowed. (Especially when there's a rule that says you have to have one of each position at all times.)

[Selkies]

cs score is ridiculously silly as it is right now

more than half of adc/mid's score will come from that alone (win score aside)

nobody will pick supports

[quadz08]

you underestimate the sheer number of assists a support gets in your average game, I think

[xRECKONERx]

I think we discussed that your friend did that, but it's functionally impossible in fantasy football to remove every player of a certain position. If we don't put a restriction on that, we could force someone into a situation where they literally cannot pick a single player of some position, and I don't think that should be allowed. (Especially when there's a rule that says you have to have one of each position at all times.)

I mean, that also means that someone could draft poorly and not take a specific role early enough and take their backups before they take their starters and they don't get punished for it.

There are 16 ADCs available to draft for 8 players; That would mean that one person would have to take FOUR ADCs (the max number they could have on their roster) to bring the pool down to 12, and even then, the other 7 players could each take 1 and there'd still be five leftover.

If two people took FOUR AD Carries, it'd bring the pool down to 8, the other 6 people could each take 1 and there'd still be two leftover.

Yes, if three people in the league each hoarded ADCs, it'd bring the pool down to only 4 leftover, and people could theoretically be fucked. But you have to remember... picks are completely public knowledge, so if you're in a draft and you see three people each take an ADC in the first three rounds, and you DON'T pick one, then you're just kind of asking for it. Like... honestly, if three people move in on this strategy, 6/10 ADCs are gone, and since we're doing snake, there's enough time for people to react to that play by picking up ADCs. It would require a concerted group effort between multiple people to rig the draft that way, and even if they pulled it off, there'd be enough time for any player with half a brain to respond.

cs score is ridiculously silly as it is right now

more than half of adc/mid's score will come from that alone (win score aside)

nobody will pick supports

The beauty is that you have to start a support! And honestly, I think supports will wind up being the most valuable position. A support that helps out during a teamfight in which there's an ace on the enemy team will earn 15 points just like that (13 if they die during the encounter).

As for your CS concerns, the reason it's done like this is because we wanted to work from a standard idea and go out from there. That standard idea was that gold wins games, so we put an equivalency into the equation: ~15 CS == 1 kill. However, standing still and CSing is obviously easier than getting a kill, and kills tend to impact the game more, so we had kills count for double of a CS iteration. We scaled the "limit" up for the roles where it's generally easier to farm (ADC because you have a support to help; Mid lane because it's just 1v1) and scaled the limit down for roles where farming is a tad harder (jungle farm is limited; Top lane often winds up in a 2v1 and thus it is harder to farm).

[xRECKONERx]

I did a test sample just straight up taking EG's three games that they won during the promotion matches and Curse's three games that they won during the promotion matches:

Spoiler: Results

Compare and contrast... in Curse's case, Voyboy & Cop were the highest scorers on their team, and they're arguably the best players on Curse.

Similarly, in EG's case, Snoopeh just went the fuck off with Krepo and they were the highest scorers.

Based on this test case, I feel the numbers are accurate -- when I look at those final scores, I feel someone who started all Curse players should've lost to someone who started all EG players in that situation, and the point discrepancies I feel accurately reflect a player's participation.

Krepo had a big impact on his games as support and racked up MAJOR points for it. Meanwhile, Zekent had little to no impact his first two games that were counted here, and his score suffered for it.

Knowing which players on a team are likely to make an impact is a big part of fantasy sports.

Spoiler: Random Thought Tangent

Someone may look at this and go, "Well then, it's clearly best to draft a team that's going to do well, all C9 picks here I come!" But you also have to keep in mind, in a situation like EG's where they are just steamrolling their games, it causes other roles to underscore on that team because there's a finite amount of kills/CS available on the map, and the better a team does, the quicker they're going to win, giving the other roles less time to catch up. That's why, even though Yellowpete did

fine

those games, he didn't quite put up the same type of numbers that Cop did.

[quadz08]

I mean, that also means that someone could draft poorly and not take a specific role early enough and take their backups before they take their starters and they don't get punished for it.

There are 16 ADCs available to draft for 8 players; That would mean that one person would have to take FOUR ADCs (the max number they could have on their roster) to bring the pool down to 12, and even then, the other 7 players could each take 1 and there'd still be five leftover.

If two people took FOUR AD Carries, it'd bring the pool down to 8, the other 6 people could each take 1 and there'd still be two leftover.

Yes, if three people in the league each hoarded ADCs, it'd bring the pool down to only 4 leftover, and people could theoretically be fucked. But you have to remember... picks are completely public knowledge, so if you're in a draft and you see three people each take an ADC in the first three rounds, and you DON'T pick one, then you're just kind of asking for it. Like... honestly, if three people move in on this strategy, 6/10 ADCs are gone, and since we're doing snake, there's enough time for people to react to that play by picking up ADCs. It would require a concerted group effort between multiple people to rig the draft that way, and even if they pulled it off, there'd be enough time for any player with half a brain to respond.

I think you are right. I'll drop the rule.

Re: random thought tangent - Also keep in mind that the teams that are expected to steamroll (C9, TSM, etc) are probably going to lose players to multiple teams in the first round or two. I fully expect Snoopeh and Krepo to go to different players in the first two rounds, for example; same with Meteos and Hai.

[Svenskt Stål]

Will trading slots be allowed during the draft?

For example, ABCCBA, I am A but cant find aything to my likeing and want to switch with C.

There should also be a ban on talking about undrafted in the thread during the draft.

[xRECKONERx]

Not during draft, no. You can trade up until the draft after leagues are finalized, but I literally can't think of a reason you'd want to do that.

[quadz08]

As a note, everyone please keep in mind that you

have

to be available for the draft between weeks 2 and 3 if you want to participate. The two leagues will probably try to set up a live-drafting time if at all possible, but in the more likely situation that it's not, we'll basically start it Monday sometime and go via threadposts as quickly as possible. (I'll talk to Captain Mish-Mash Guy about the protocol for making a second thread so the two leagues can draft separately to avoid confusion).

Whee!

[xRECKONERx]

League #1:
1. Reck (Commissioner)
2. Grimmjow
3. kdowns
4. Maestro + Klazam
5. Nexus
6. orcinus
7. Panzer
8. RedPanda

League #2:
1. quadz (Commissioner)
2. LLD
3. GreyICE
4. dramonic
5. Svenskt Stal + Kise
6. chesskid
7. animorpherv
8. Siveure DtTrikyp

This is how the leagues are looking right now.

[xRECKONERx]

Live draft will probably have to be done via Google Docs; or, if everyone in my group has access to Google Hangouts, I can livestream the draft and take picks via IM/Skype/GChat/etc

[quadz08]

I don't know who you missed, but you missed somebody, since chess and ani are hydraing. Check post 1.

[xRECKONERx]

Saki /out'd. So I figured chess/ani were hydra'ing to let Siveure play, but since Saki outed, he has a spot now?

[Nexus]

Don't forget I'm in the UK, so if you want to do a live draft, it needs to be at a reasonable time for me, and if it's during a week day...

[quadz08]

Oh, missed Saki /out'ing. Good catch.

[Nexus]

Although if it's done via google docs, I can access those at work.

[kdowns]

Also I am guessing the leagues were hand picked?

[Svenskt Stål]

yeah i dont think they were randed, which is pretty lol.

[quadz08]

They're mostly random. Reck and I were placed in separate leagues, a couple of known personality conflicts were placed in appropriate leagues, and then everyone else was randomized.

[Svenskt Stål]

They are mostly random?

Just lol, I assume its alot of weak asses in recks league. NO PUN INTENDED.

Grow up for fuck sake.

[Svenskt Stål]

I mean its not like you checked personality issues with everyone, which in that case would be understandable.

But somehow Reck is special.

Quadz, just lol, pro mod.