Compounded Phase 3, Claim Placements

[mykonian]

someone needs to yell at who.

[Cabd]

I'll be randomizing his action if he doesn't pick up his turn in time.

[mykonian]

seems lame. Given the amount of interest and given we haven't even started properly... would someone else want to play?

[Blackberry]

Did I hear REPLACEMENT?

[Cabd]

Mitilos has first hit. PMing him now

[Who]

Sorry for joining when I lack the time to play this. Please replace me with someone who wants to play more than I do.

[Mitillos]

Haven't got a PM. Possibly because there's an l missing from my name?

If I'm in, I'd like to claim the N-N-O at (1, 2).

[Cabd]

Got it. On mobile will update when home. Next turn is free to happen tho

[Antihero]

let's claim the calcium oxide in the very top right corner (4,4)

[mykonian]

I might be taking a while, I'm trying to catch zzzx.

[mykonian]

Spoiler: site chat log

mykonian
(17:41)
hi
ZZZX
(17:43)
yo
mykonian
(17:43)
I'd like to talk about compounded
mykonian
(17:43)
so I'm going to copy paste this in the thread afterwards.
mykonian
(17:43)
since this is easier to have a conversation with.
mykonian
(17:44)
so, eh, would you have a minute
ZZZX
(17:44)
Sure I guess?
mykonian
(17:44)
you saw anti's last move?
ZZZX
(17:44)
hm
ZZZX
(17:44)
let me check
ZZZX
(17:44)
yea?
mykonian
(17:45)
so he's going to get a juice upgrade right at the first turn already.
mykonian
(17:45)
while none of us do. And that doesn't seem fair to me.
ZZZX
(17:45)
that part is true but nothing we can do about it atm
mykonian
(17:45)
well
ZZZX
(17:45)
Right now I am thinking of how it will be
ZZZX
(17:45)
however I will try to decide within a few turns
ZZZX
(17:46)
since its too early to do anything
mykonian
(17:46)
see, I'm not entirely sure how to organise this, but we could set up a play on water for me, or water peroxide for both of us.
mykonian
(17:46)
and I'd help you in further turns.
ZZZX
(17:46)
Hm
ZZZX
(17:46)
giv eme time to think aobut the proposal
ZZZX
(17:46)
meanwhile post this in teh thread
ZZZX
(17:46)
i hae to go for an hour or so
mykonian
(17:47)
like, concretely, I could borrow an oxygen from you this turn (you place it on a water for me), and help you finish your compound next.
mykonian
(17:47)
sure, I'll just save this.
ZZZX
(17:47)
do you have any Nitro?
mykonian
(17:48)
I think I do.
ZZZX
(17:48)
I can trade an oxy for a nitro so we both can complete our stuff
mykonian
(17:48)
yes, but not in one turn, really.
mykonian
(17:48)
since we together place 4 atoms.
mykonian
(17:49)
so the only thing we could both get an upgrade from is the hydrogen peroxide
ZZZX
(17:49)
well as i told you can you give me a few hours to think about it and re-check a few rules from the game?
mykonian
(17:49)
but then I don't know how to fairly repay you for the points you'd be donating me, so we'd have to discuss that.
mykonian
(17:49)
sure
mykonian
(17:49)
obviously.
mykonian
(17:49)
I still have quite a bit of time for my turn
mykonian
(17:49)
and I'm not trying to push you.
mykonian
(17:50)
just want to see how quickly teams can help already

[mykonian]

Spoiler: almost there.

mykonian
(14:48)
poke.
mykonian
(16:10)
ok, I thought some more about it, and since you aren't here yet I'll just type it up for you to read.
mykonian
(16:10)
I think this is something that would help both of us.
mykonian
(16:11)
suppose I take the HOOH now, put two hydrogens on, you put on two oxygens. I get an upgrade, I'll give you one to place more atoms (that's the second, I think).
mykonian
(16:12)
next round, I place one atom on the compound you picked, you place 3 (because you can now). I put in one atom less into our partnership, you get out with 2 upgrades earlier than anyone else.
ZZZX
(16:49)
hm
mykonian
(16:55)
Just tell me if you are scared I'm trying to take advantage of you somewhere. Because I'm honestly not trying to.
mykonian
(16:56)
also, compared to not working together, you gain an upgrade (if you played alone, next round you could finish your compound, just like this plan will. But then you just get that upgrade).
mykonian
(16:58)
ok, I'm sorry, I need to do some shopping now.
mykonian
(17:20)
back
mykonian
(17:22)
please talk to me if you see issues
mykonian
(17:25)
because otherwise I'd really like to go with this move and let the others play as well

[mykonian]

Spoiler: and conclusion

ZZZX
(17:49)
well you see the only thing i have
ZZZX
(17:49)
is that my understanding of how this game is played is not 100% perfect
ZZZX
(17:50)
as i only watched 7 minutes outta th e9 minutes video
ZZZX
(17:50)
cus i had some busy times
ZZZX
(17:50)
but i can give you a reply after 3 hours for sure
ZZZX
(17:50)
cus I am finishing my engineering assignment for now
mykonian
(17:55)
kk.
mykonian
(17:55)
I haven't played it either, just read the rules and little else.
ZZZX
(17:58)
also one question
ZZZX
(17:58)
when exactly will that action need to be inputed?
ZZZX
(17:58)
next phase?
mykonian
(17:59)
the action of putting atoms down? Yes.
mykonian
(18:00)
we skipped the first phase because it's the first turn, the second is claiming compounds, then you place atoms, then you score compounds and resolve results, I think. Then it starts all over again.
mykonian
(18:02)
but I'd need to know if I can really take the HOOH, that's the action I have to take right now.
ZZZX
(18:25)
i guess i can agree
ZZZX
(18:25)
to assist you
ZZZX
(18:25)

ZZZX
(18:25)
but
ZZZX
(18:25)
i have one question
ZZZX
(18:25)
will i lost both os I have?
mykonian
(18:26)
yes. But at the start of next round, you get 2 fresh atoms, I get 3. Odds aren't the worst that one of us gets an O.
mykonian
(18:26)
given that 20% of the total atoms are oxygen.
ZZZX
(18:27)
Ok then. We will see how it goes.
mykonian
(18:27)
awesome.
ZZZX
(18:27)
you will use both ur atoms this round?
ZZZX
(18:27)
if u got a free on set me up a Nitro
ZZZX
(18:27)
one*
mykonian
(18:28)
yeah, I use two H's on the HOOH, you use both oxygens, I score it this turn, give you the upgrade to place another atom, then we finish your claimed compound next turn, so you can score that.
ZZZX
(18:29)
Cool.
ZZZX
(18:29)
so mine ius
ZZZX
(18:29)
H-N-C-O (6GB; F)
ZZZX
(18:29)
and uhh
ZZZX
(18:29)
if i put in C/N
ZZZX
(18:30)
I will need an h and an o
ZZZX
(18:30)
we will see how it goes
mykonian
(18:30)
but you'll be able to put in 3.
ZZZX
(18:30)
I dont think so?
ZZZX
(18:30)
since I wont upgrade anything
ZZZX
(18:30)
it is you who will be able to put in 3 i think
mykonian
(18:31)
nah, I'll get to gain 3 atoms at the start (but still place 2), I get to pick one of the upgrades for you this round (and picking the one that lets you place 3 atoms is the one that makes this trade fair for me, I think).
mykonian
(18:32)
look at post 14, HOOH has a "+" after it.
mykonian
(18:33)
that's your profit in the two round that this plan covers.
mykonian
(18:33)
at the cost of one atom.
mykonian
(18:33)
(which is my profit)
ZZZX
(18:34)
but like
ZZZX
(18:34)
isnt hte upgrade for you not me here?
ZZZX
(18:34)
if I understand the rules correctly if u finish ur own substance
ZZZX
(18:34)
you get an upgrade point
ZZZX
(18:34)
depending on its state?
ZZZX
(18:34)
oh
mykonian
(18:34)
yes, that's the B. the + means it's a special compound
ZZZX
(18:34)
ah
ZZZX
(18:35)
K, Cool then. This is a good thing for both of us I guess?
mykonian
(18:35)
I believe so, yes.

claiming the hydrogen peroxide

[mykonian]

[Cabd]

I'm in Baltimore attending a wedding. I'll update the game board tomorrow late evening, you're all welcome to begin placement phase without me and i'll update when ready. Same order as the claiming was done.

[mykonian]

Enjoy your wedding!

[ZZZX]

Enjoy your wedding!

[Cabd]

Back! Update launching in a second.

[Cabd]

Player Boards:

Antihero:

Discovery: 2
Study: 1
Research: 2
Lab: 4
Tools: None

Elements in Bank: N CA O H
Claim Tokens Held: 0
Temporary Claim Tokens Held: 2
Score: 0

Mykonian

Discovery: 2
Study: 1
Research: 2
Lab: 4
Tools: None

Elements in Bank: H H N N
Claim Tokens Held: 0
Temporary Claim Tokens Held: 2
Score: 0

BPC

Discovery: 2
Study: 1
Research: 2
Lab: 4
Tools: None

Elements in Bank: O C H CA
Claim Tokens Held: 0
Score: 0

ZZZX

Discovery: 2
Study: 1
Research: 2
Lab: 4
Tools: None

Elements in Bank: O C N O
Claim Tokens Held: 0
Temporary Claim Tokens Held: 2
Score: 0

Who

Discovery: 2
Study: 1
Research: 2
Lab: 4
Tools: None

Elements in Bank: N H N H
Claim Tokens Held: 0
Temporary Claim Tokens Held: 2
Score: 0

Legends:

Spoiler:

Discovery is how many elements you draw at the start of each turn. Extras not able to fit in your lab are discarded after phase 1 ends. It is upgraded by Blue chemicals.
Study is how many claim tokens you may have active on the game board at any time. It is upgraded by Orange chemicals.
Research is how many elements you MUST place on the game board each turn, if able. It is upgraded by Green Chemicals.
Lab is how many elements you may have in your inventory at any given time. It is upgraded by any type of chemical, although scoring in lab forgoes scoring the chemical in its respective color.
Tools are earned through upgrading Study twice, or by completing certain chemicals as noted on the board. Each tool will be explained once seen or obtained.

[Cabd]

Game Status:

Points and color index:

Antihero

Mykonian

BPC

ZZZX

Mitillos

N-N-O (4G)	H-O-H (3B)	O-CA (3O)	O-CA (3O)
H-O-H (3B)	O-CA (3O)	N-N-O (4G)	H-O-H (3B)
N-N-O (4G)	O-C-S (6G; FF)	H-S-H (7G; F)	H-O-O-H (6B; +)
H-N-C-O (6GB; F)	H-N-C-O (6GB; F)	C-Ca-C (6O, FF)	O-O-O (6G)

Spoiler: Legend of Symbols

{elements-in-chemical, points, color of upgrade}

+ denotes that scoring this chemical requires you to upgrade another player's board by one

M denotes that upon scoring this chemical, you may, during the scoring phase, move your claim token immediately to another chemical.

P denotes that this chemical is poison and will lower an opponent's score instead of aiding yours, when completed.

F denotes a single flame token. Chemicals that have all their flame tokens used explode.

A chemical is either Orange (O), Green (G), or Blue (B). Some chemicals can be more than one, but you have to choose which one it'll be to score it.

[ZZZX]

Game Status:

Points and color index:

Antihero

Mykonian

BPC

ZZZX

Mitillos

N-N-O (4G)	H-O-H (3B)	O-CA (3O)	O-CA (3O)
H-O-H (3B)	O-CA (3O)	N-N-O (4G)	H-O-H (3B)
N-N-O (4G)	O-C-S (6G; FF)	H-S-H (7G; F)	H-O-O-H (6B; +)
H-N-C-O (6GB; F)	H-N-C-O (6GB; F)	C-Ca-C (6O, FF)	O-O-O (6G)

Spoiler: Legend of Symbols

{elements-in-chemical, points, color of upgrade}

+ denotes that scoring this chemical requires you to upgrade another player's board by one

M denotes that upon scoring this chemical, you may, during the scoring phase, move your claim token immediately to another chemical.

P denotes that this chemical is poison and will lower an opponent's score instead of aiding yours, when completed.

F denotes a single flame token. Chemicals that have all their flame tokens used explode.

A chemical is either Orange (O), Green (G), or Blue (B). Some chemicals can be more than one, but you have to choose which one it'll be to score it.

Prob a silly question but does the color of chemical affect anything?

[mykonian]

it's what upgrade you get when you score it.

[Cabd]

As in Orange Blue or Green? It affects what it levels up on your game board when you score it.

[BipolarChemist]

Alright I finally got to the rules! I think it's as simple as it sounds, but I assume in the research phase all I can do is place two elements (since my research is at 2)?

If so, I'll place a Carbon and a Calcium on my compound.

[mykonian]

that was my understanding.

zzzx, if you would be so kind to place two oxygens on my compound