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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:29 am

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Original Roll String: 100d6
100 6-Sided Dice: (4, 2, 2, 5, 4, 4, 5, 1, 5, 4, 6, 2, 2, 5, 5, 5, 2, 5, 1, 2, 2, 3, 2, 5, 3, 4, 1, 2, 6, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 2, 5, 1, 3, 1, 4, 6, 2, 6, 4, 3, 1, 4, 2, 3, 2, 6, 1, 4, 6, 4, 3, 4, 3, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5, 6, 1, 3, 3, 2, 5, 5, 2, 5, 3, 3, 2, 5, 1, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 1, 2, 2, 4, 2, 2, 1, 3, 4, 1, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 6, 5) = 331


Weeeeeeee I win!


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Original Roll String: 2d6
2 6-Sided Dice: (5, 3) = 8
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:30 am

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53: 19/24 16/19
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:30 am

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Back in an hour or so <3
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:33 am

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+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+ O: Plotinus | X O O | | O O O X | 0 points | X O O | | O O O X | Rolled: | X | | | | | | | | | | | | |BAR| | (Cube: 1) | | | X | | | | X | | O | | X X | | O | | X X O | Rolled: 53 | O X | | X X O
X
| 0 points +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+ X: Fro99er


(you could have built on the 23)

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2 6-Sided Dice: (3, 6) = 9
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:35 am

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Shit I could have. Didn't even see it
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:35 am

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I promise I'll be tougher next game :P
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:36 am

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+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+ O: Plotinus | X O O | | O O O X | 0 points | X O O | | O O O X | Rolled: 63 | X
O
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X
| | | | | | | | | | | |BAR| | (Cube: 1) | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | O | | X X | Rolled: | O
O
| | X X O X | 0 points +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+ X: Fro99er


it’s okay! that’s what learning is for.

You need to roll a 1, 2, or 3 in order to take your next turn because you’re on the bar.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:46 am

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backgammon is a lot like chess but thinking several moves ahead is harder because of the dice. you try to have a general idea of what you’ll do for all 21 possible rolls, but usually it’s grouped together: if i roll x, y, or z then i’ll build else if i roll a or b then i’ll attack else if i roll c then i’ll cry and curse the dice gods else if i roll d or e… and then if you’re also playing to minimise your opponent’s good rolls that’s another set of 21 rolls to keep track of.

The best backgammon engines can only think 3-4 moves ahead.

memorising boards can help some the way it helps in chess, and memorising the optimal plays for all 15 of the possible initial rolls, and then the optimal counters for each of those can help. (even just memorising a few is a leg up in some games)

but a lot of it is just practice and playing lots of games.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:24 am

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Original Roll String: 2d6
2 6-Sided Dice: (1, 3) = 4
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:25 am

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So how do I notate leaving bar. And if I take the 1 can I still take the 3 with another piece?
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:07 pm

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sorry, fell asleep in my clothes. you can mark leaving the bar as either 0/1 or bar/1. bar/1 might be clearer (since i’d be marking it as 25/24 if i were coming in off the bar). Later, once all our guys are home and we’re bearing off, the notation is 3/off (me bearing off) or 22/off (you bearing off).

After you come in on the 1, you make take the 3 with any piece that has a valid move.

(usually in backgammon notation it’s always done from each person’s perspective, so 25 is always the bar and your home is always 1-6 but that feels more confusing with an ascii board, having to keep up with two different perspectives, so i’m playing upside down but the numbers are from my perspective, a compromise of sorts. if you can think of a better way around this, lemme know)
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:06 am

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bar/1 19/22
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:29 am

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+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+ O: Plotinus | X O O | | O O O X | 0 points | X O O | | O O O X | Rolled: | X O | |
X
| | | | | | | | | | |BAR| | (Cube: 1) | | | | | | | X | | | | X X | | O | | X X | Rolled: 31 | O O | | X X O
X
X | 0 points +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+ X: Fro99er


Original Roll String: 2d6
2 6-Sided Dice: (4, 3) = 7
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:36 am

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+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+ O: Plotinus | X O O | | O O O X | 0 points | X O | | O O O X | Rolled: 43 | X O | |
O
X | | | | | | | | | | |BAR| | (Cube: 1) | | | | | | | X | | | | X X | | O
O
| | X X | Rolled: | O O | | X X X X | 0 points +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+ X: Fro99er


21/18 10/6

If I roll a 4/3 or a 5/4 next turn i can build in my home. If you roll a 6, you can’t take it (you can still take the other half of your roll though) because i’m blocking the 18 point now. If I get a 55 then I can build on the 8, if I get 66 i’m also a little screwed (all i can do is 13/7 13/7), but any of the other doubles would work okay. Rolls adding up to 5 or 6 can bring my 10 piece home (and increase the likelihood of building on the 3 or 2 on the following turn). At first glance the lone piece on the 10 point looks vulnerable but you can’t hit it in a single turn.

(little window into my thought process here)
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:40 pm

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Flying on some planes tomorrow for work so I will be out of commission until tomorrow night USA central time. Although I might hop on during my second flight if they offer WiFi because it will be a good way to psd the time. Should be around 6pm your time (noon USA east coast) assuming no flight delays :)
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:41 pm

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*pass the time (phone posting)
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:03 pm

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Have a good trip!
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