Secret Hitler (Voting)

[Axxle]

Well I never!

[Axxle]

... Said I was anything but a fascist

I guess I could reveal the team but I'll allow others to post.

[Blackberry]

I don't even

lolz

Pretty sure two of the fascists are Aronis and Jdga, but who the hell are the other two?


axxle is one
who else?

Damn, you're good.

[Klick]

I wanted you to 1v1 me Blackberry

[MrTrow]

good?
he's the one who told axxle (then drench), who to check
(and what to claim)

Also he has defended Drench constantly.

Given axxle's insistence on 'getting back to lillith' asap.

I would say

drench(now axxle), jelly, shos, +1 (with jelly or 1 as hitler, and drench fearing aronis more than he trusted shos' plan)
Would make the most sense

axxle, lillith, not a clue beyond there(apart from Aronis and JDGA being automatically elected if the 'to lilith asap' plan got through). (this one would make shos somewhat less likely)
Would also work.

regardless, it seems at least 1 liberal actually does consider it a good idea, to avoid generating ANY playable data until the game is (at least) half over.
If anyone could explain to me, why that would be a good idea, that would be great.

Also Cephrir, your 'i'm thinking of dropping this site entirely'-claim, while considering going on a site-based meetup, still seems a bit off
Having taken another glance-over, it's mostly the 'lets throw away half the game' of which i really don't see any merit.
Some other remarks, were actually pretty good (sorry for overstretching the range of the 'bullshit'-accusation)
The previous was(still is, to be honest) just really pissing me off.

[Cephrir]

a) stalking is rude
b) sorry if the facts of my life seem off to you but those things are both true

[shos]

Jesus, Trow, you need to lrn to let go
being wrong happens
no shame

[MrTrow]

I know bothering to check confirmable claims, using public information within the same forum (basic scumhunting) is rude.

shos:
It's not 'being wrong' that bothers me.
It's being called stupid, for actually wanting to play the game.

If you could tell me why it would have been a good idea, to not start scumhunting until turned out to be fascist axxle has had complete control on both investigations.
Until for example
'klick assuming to not get away with hiding a liberal card and that drench did, decided to lie about having drawn 2 and so 'fixing' the count'
making even the very little data we do have even more unreliable.
Or without such moves: 'there is 1 liberal card missing', congrats: you've just shown there is a fascist ex-president: that is (at least) 1 in 6: we already know 4 in 10. that's not narrowing it down
for the second missing card, that president is replaced by the corresponding chancellor, so STILL a 1 in 6 (very optimistically combined: at least 2 in 7).
Still not the kind of 'subset' that warrants, literally throwing away 5 or 6 policies, AKA half the freakin game.

Why wait that long to actually start playing?

To be completely honest, if all calls to do this came from town, i can't blame ChaosOmega for flaking.

[Blackberry]

I wanted you to 1v1 me Blackberry

I was too lazy, but you would have been an easy target to paint as "Hitler"... early on you accused two people, then when they fought back you were trying to be nice as if trying to win them over to your side. So you were coming off as trying to appease everyone and stay on their good side and had initially called out the easy targets (although correctly). You were coming off too friendly and protown so I intended to use that to get people to think you're a prime candidate as Hitler.

[Cephrir]

he was too town

[Axxle]

Drench was telling the truth about getting three fascist cards fwiw

[shos]

Trow, basically, you're playing this too much like a mafia game. This game has loats of phases, and trying to scumhunt before the first one starts is just not. I mean it doesn't harm ya, but help is 0.

[JDGA]

Fascist here.
The others were Axxle and BB (as claimed). Not aronis

[JDGA]

Though... this was one of those infuriating games where the guy who gets the scum right has all the wrong ideas about how to play the game, and everyone assumes those wrong ideas are vindicated in postgame
What Trow said is pretty much dead on.

[MrTrow]

really?
I'm playing an 'informed minority vs uninformed majority, with the key mechanic being 'the majority-vote' '-game too much like an 'informed minority vs uninformed majority, with the key mechanic being 'the majority-vote''-game.
By not throwing away the first half of the game in the version where the informative powers are ONLY in that first half?

Lets take your approach, the roster we had in this one, the draws we had in this one
and ONLY change the opening d10.
Aronis starts: hits the same bad draw drench actually had: 1st fascist policy, with not a single liberal giving a shit at this point, the fascists direct the investigation to 'later'
next blackberry, manages to select a fascist as chancellor (which is easy, because 'the first phase hasn't started yet'): second fascist policy in place and an investigation in fascist hands
I'll probably install something liberal
JDGA again completely unopposed places fascist-policy 3, gains control of the special election.
Takes a quick peak at the field to see if still no-one gives a shit: if so, pick Axxle, if not pick any decoy what so ever (blatant scum-claim aronis or blackberry, would do) and get refused
You're up (taking the 'best case-scenario', of 'suspecting JDGA') probably hit a liberal policy
Next Axxle, with 2 unplayed cards he'll get 1 recycled, before we hit 'enough info on cards to start playing', he picks hitler as his chancellor: game over.
According to you, before it actually began.

And (other than the opening role) i took the current scenario, ran in with the draws we had and ran doubts in the liberals favor. Up to and INCLUDING a blatant scum-claim.

You want to take the 'investigate next in line' approach?
Ok the roll was berry: fascist policy 1,
skip me (because the fascist lies about his investigation),
JDGA completely unopposed installs policy 2 and claims another investigation for the fascists (according to the 'investigation-chain'-idea), checks and clears berry
you're up, liberal policy i assume (again, blindly assuming in favor of the liberals here)
next Axxle, policy 3, gains special election: berry, why not: he was found innocent after all (and only 4 policies in, so no one cares yet)
berry nominates hitler: fascists win
2 policies before the game actually starts.
Even if you decide to install something fascist to prevent this outcome, controlling the special election: great: Axxle can directly install hitler: game over.
And that's assuming the 'investigate next person'-approach doesn't stick and give the entire game not a single non-fascist presidential candidate.
Both even without needing the 'bad draw'

So tell me:
what are these 'phases' you're talking about?
when do they start?
and how do they make your (apparently 'pre-game') statement of 'hey

president who just enacted a fascist policy

, you just give the word and we'll hand the (only) other investigative power to

the chancellor who just enacted a fascist policy

' a good idea?

[shos]

*doesnt read*
I dont get what your problem is, townies' reads were almost all correct; none of the universally townread was scum and at least 2 fascist were nit trusted. Only one fascist policy went through. Town played very solidly

[MrTrow]

*doesnt read*
I dont get what your problem is

nuf said.

But i like your conclusion town played well, while arguing the game hadn't started yet

[shos]

so who was hitler?

[Axxle]

Trow

[MrTrow]

yup
genuinely had shos as 'scums greatest asset, regardless of his role-pm' for damn near all of 'phase 0'

and i still stand by my point that if ChaosOmega had not been among those actively pushed into apathy, he had handed us the game.

[shos]

Do youbrealize that 'phase 0' meant nothing in total, and that town did manage to work out almost the entire fascist team, with plans as for how to keep townies dominant? I don't see how you think youd have won this

[SleepyKrew]

Ceph if you quit the site I'll bully you at the meet
With walls
Walls of words

[MrTrow]

'phase 0 meant nothing in total, yet allow me to gloat about how much phase 0 did actually mean'
wait what?

'with plans to keep townies dominant'?
really where?
the closest thing to a plan i've seen:
- was pushed entirely by scum.
- would discredit the next presidential candidate (i dare you to claim that investigation).
- would place the president after that, aka probably the actual investigation (otherwise the special election AKA chance to instantly win the game for scum) in the hands of scum

But back to the point, you decided to only half read: (which is an improvement over the breakdown, how it takes luck to not lose the game completely in your 'phase0' alone)
How many townies were still playing, by the time CO gave up?
Did you just answer with a number smaller than the size of the scumteam?
Is that an 'informed majority vs uninformed minority'-situation: AKA a freakin auto-win?

[shos]

Well, nobody trusted neither you with your extreme responses (like now), nor axxleslot nor JDGA. The plan was to only go with trusted members, and we had a lead on policies. What was pushed by scum? nothing you said actually got into people because of your longwalls. I think literally everyone came to just ignore you by now, lol. would never have guessed you were hitler with such high profile, btw

So anyway, explain to me, if you think it had such an impact, what did 'phase 0' mean in the game? (we're talking about the first phase, before the first nomination, yes?)

[MrTrow]

Well, nobody trusted neither you with your extreme responses (like now)

Really?
Both you and cephrir (the 2 townies with enough pull in this game to get it abandoned)
declared me prob-town over it

, nor axxleslot

you declared, blindly putting him in charge of the second investigation as well, a good idea (because 'still phase 0')
most arguments against blindly trusting him, came from scum actually

nor JDGA.

Ah yes, that unfounded 'scumhunting is scum' argument, backed by only cephrir

The plan was to only go with trusted members,

Which were? the result of a scum-controlled investigation-result, and that's it?
If there was a second, it was berry (*cough* scum *cough*)

and we had a lead on policies.

That lucky draw, which i spelled out for you in that post you refuse to (admit you) read.

What was pushed by scum?

Rush back to lilith('town by my word only'), if that means installing 'unreadable untrustworthy Aronis' and 'my scumbuddy JDGA' so be it.
Are you saying there was more plan than that at any point in the game?
Care to point me to it?

nothing you said actually got into people because of your longwalls. I think literally everyone came to just ignore you by now, lol.

So no one suspected me (to be hitler)
And no one was even bothering to see if my post contained scumslips.

And you claim i did something wrong?
Care to explain?

would never have guessed you were hitler with such high profile, btw

Case in point

So anyway, explain to me, if you think it had such an impact, what did 'phase 0' mean in the game? (we're talking about the first phase, before the first nomination, yes?)

Uhm no,
'Phase 0', means anything that happened before 'the gospel of shos' arbitrary decides the game has started.
This is literally the first line in the game to imply 'Phase 0' to only be 'Nomintation Phase 1'
Literally the entire game, did you (and ceph) push 'Phase 0' is everything up to 'Executive Action Phase 6'

But hey, it's not like i asked either of you to clear up where 'Phase 0' ends

But if you want to know what 'Nomintation Phase 1' meant:
It meant we actually had a more than 'just vote 'Ja' because 'Phase 0' '-election.
(and so on)
Which means we would have more than the 'we are 1 liberal policy short, so now we have scum 'narrowed down' to an (at least) 1 in 6, great use of 'Nomination 1' through 'Executive Action 6', people.

Are you arguing we actually didn't get much, out of a game that was pushed into abandonment?
No shit sherlock
I see you didn't bothering the really straight-forward question of:
did you leave enough playing townies around, so that the scum-team didn't simply hold the majority in this game?