Huh?

[CooLDoG]

This is why new members should get a PM with very clear instructions.

[CooLDoG]

The second was CooLDoG implying that this website doesn't do enough to help newbies. An opinion that is roundly disagreed with by everyone except you & poro.

It obviously is hard for noobs because almost every month we either have a thread in help or GD about it. A thread about basic stuff got to over 20 pages in GD, and every once in awhile it is bumped by someone new asking a question that has been answered multiple times already.

[CooLDoG]

The only thing i needed help with is, what do i do when i get to the queue forum. Everything except that is fine -.-

Also, we have a LOT of these types of questions from newbies. You simply started another discussion about it. Not your fault at all I look forward to playing with you.

[CooLDoG]

The word queue isn't the problem...

[CooLDoG]

It says in bold right under queue "Sign up for games here."

If you can't figure that out, I can't help you.

except that you actually can and I guarantee that you have in the past.

[CooLDoG]

actually I'm not trolling.
Just don't complain every time you get a PM or see another thread about how a noob can't find where to sign up for a game. Because something could be done.

[CooLDoG]

Actually it is sort of cool. I love having someone PM me 3 times a day. Also, I'm an attention whore so you shouldn't pay attention to me.

But seriously, what is there to lose from making the site more noob friendly?

[CooLDoG]

Man, people take everything that I say like I'm some sort of divine mission or something. Jesus.

[CooLDoG]

Hey, after having a discussion about this with some other scummers, I want to apologize to anyone in this thread I was a dick too, pinkieseb and cooldog in particular. I'm being an ass for no real reason, and I'm sorry.

Apologizing to me. Damn, dude. People should never apologize for being a dick to me...

Also, this is just my opinion, okay, but I don't think it matters how many people find the forum correctly, what matters is the fact that people don't. And, in my opinion, I think the site would be better if we made it even more clear (I admit that it is clear already) where to sign up for games. That's all.

[CooLDoG]

So outside of an automated PM, what do you suggest?

Possibly a sticky thread in help (we had a great image a while back that nothing was done with) and a duplicate in the queue. It might also be nice to put a button next to subscriptions that says "sign up" or something like that. Also, in the newbie game list thread instead of linking to how to sign up it should

tell

how to sign up.

[CooLDoG]

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to improve a system, even if the vast majority of people find their way just fine if the cost of doing so is negligible.

That I think is the basic sticking point. In any decision, weighing benefits against costs is pretty much how we do business. I think most can agree that the benefit here is fairly small. But the cost is basically non-existent. So the benefits outweigh the costs.

So if you really want to argue against this KK, you need to argue that the costs are larger than they appear, not that the benefits are small.

NET-BENEFITS BITCHES!

But what kk is probably trying to argue is that the cost of labor (in time) to improve the system could be used to do something else more profitable. He hasn't said what that something else is, but I understand his point of view. With that said, I personally think that it would be easy to improve the system and the time that it would take to do it is well worth the minor delays of other projects. That is where the disagreement is.

I think that copy and paste in the newbie queue from the wiki on how to sign up for games would alone be an amazing improvement that just takes a little bbcode formatting. Couple that with this image pinned in help in a thread called "Having trouble signing up for games?" and that would be great. Auto-pms take considerably more work, so they, as kk and others are saying, might not be worth it.

The image and newbie queue could be done in 30 minuets of time MAX.

Spoiler: image that should be in help

[CooLDoG]

Actually I was wrong, there is "how to sign up" in the newbie queue thread. I would like it to be in a quote box to draw visibility, but that is just my personal taste.

The perfect solution would be a PM, but that would probably take work.

[CooLDoG]

Goddamn, that's pretty awesome.

Good job UN.

[CooLDoG]

Me, I haven't bookmarked MS yet. The name is so short and I visit so often that I don't have to...

[CooLDoG]

I just hut the 'f' key at home and it sends me here.

this can work. Unless you visit facebook, or delete everything on browser close.

[CooLDoG]

hehehehe.

[CooLDoG]

should be "how to join your first game"