micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[skitter30]

hi i'm suddenly dealing with a lot of irl stuff and it's messing with my motivation for this (and mafia in general) quite a lot; i'm going to try not to rep-out but i might have to, apologies in advance if that happens

(ngl i'd feel kinda bad doing that to scum; it kinda fucks with their long-term game plan)

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honestly i want to think mastina is town

y tho

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The difference is that I think I would've tried to pocket you on D1 instead of the start of D2? Did you feel pocketed back in D1? Do you feel pocketed right now? '

with you, yesterday no. the way you started day2 was pretty much exactly how i thought scum would try to approach me today tho
fair point tho that if you were trying to pocket me you would have started yesterday
can you look at mastina's posts from yesterday and tell me what you think wrt this convo?

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It serves no town purpose for us to do that so no.

i'd like you to claim please
also mastina is not remotely obvtown here

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I never said Mastina specifically sent that to skitter? My best guess is it’s factional.

ya i think it's factional

Also, three gifts by night 2 AND this role seems crazy. It’s almost outside of believability.

this basically. like technically i see nothing wrong with mastina's role; it doesn't contradict any info that i have, but like it just doens't *fit* together with mine really

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I know, I'm just weirded out by Meph's claim. I talked about the D3 thing 'cause there's still the slight chance that skitter is pulling this off as scum and both Meph and mastina are town, and skitter becoming and IC on D3 would be a 100% instead of the 99% I'm right now. I really really don't want to fuck this up 'cause I already pushed the worst to the abysm.

ngl i really wonder what universe you think i could pull something like this off as scum

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MOD: V/LA due to power outage.

Be back when I have power.

meh idk if we should wait for her then
does anyone have a good reason for *not* lynching mastina today?
(i do feel bad lynching someone while they don't have power tho)

[skitter30]

meh

VOTE: mastina

[skitter30]

If she is the player I hope and think she is, she tracked Meph and can verify this.

meph visited sheep last night

the way meph's describing their role kinda vibes with mine i guess? n6 vig also kinda feels like something schadd would do: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77634

but the logistics of meph getting their role is a little strange (so mafia gave mine to me day1, and someone else gave a role to meph day1 too?) and scum gave sheep a role night2?

like this is just .... weird

i'm now a: Sticky Silver Angel - Bulletproof Night 1 and 2 Tracker

i think today is prob mass-claim day

[skitter30]

i was considering a 3man scumteam actually. but i think that ... prob isn't what we're dealing with here?

[skitter30]

Wait a freaking minute, maybe what you saw as Meph visiting sheep is them giving him this new useless power? And now they're claiming a guilty anticipating that you would visit them? Ooooooh this makes sense.

ya maybe? i was thinking this
i guess i'm wondering why they would have chosen to make him a n6 vig instead of like killing someone last night (i guess i'm implicitly assuming they aren't multi-tasking and that the nk wasn't blocked some other way)

i think mass-claim is next on the agenda

[skitter30]

We got an N2 investigation called an Investigatoire. It gives us either an Innocent (green) or a Guilty (red) on an investigated player. Obviously we targeted Sheep last night, and we returned a Guilty (red) result.

isn't this basically a cop?
like this doesn't function like a gunsmith, rihgt?

[skitter30]

My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.

say this again?

[skitter30]

If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.

yeah that makes sense

thoughts on mass-claim? i want to check if there was some other way for the nk to go missing (besides shooting me obvs)

[skitter30]

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)

but a Guilty read would not.

and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)

bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday

[skitter30]

I really didnt like the specificity of that role PM, seems like a bit much.

yeah but mine kinda was specific like that too

[skitter30]

what do you mean?

[skitter30]

if meph or sheep have anything to further claim that they have not yet claimed, they should do so now

[skitter30]

podoboq is never scum because mastina would've been bussing on D1 and mastina was a goon so I assume the remaining scum is something better.

i kinda wondered this
my gut says that it's a goon/goon team with a factional-gift-giving ability

i actually wouldn't be surprised if they were scum and she pushed him that way to distance - day1 she consistently went after tw instead of podoboq, and day2 she had to know that there wasn't a chance in hell that podoboq was getting wagoned at her suggestion.

he was never actually in danger of being lynched so i'm not sure we should be clearing him for that

[skitter30]

so like ... instead of nk'ing someone they decide to make sheep a n6 vig?
like if i were in their shoes that's not a decision i would make like ever

[skitter30]

sheep did you get your role n2 or at the end of day2?

[skitter30]

i got my ability day1 tho (or at least, at the eod1/ start of n1) - like i guess having to give out a role day1 and n2 doesn't seem very symmetric?

[skitter30]

I mean I don’t think so. We have one super-Townie and a night 6 vig. That’s... not anything ridiculous.

ye

i thought it was fairly balanced with just me and a bunch of vts; throwing in a n6 vig doesn't change much here

[skitter30]

Although I know your role pm was specific skitter, I find it weird that hers gives her an out on her ability if it’s wrong. I think the plan was to try to get sheep today and then just survive one more day somehow. Sometimes a spade is a spade.

ye prob
ngl i thought i was going to get a tracker inno on them and thought it was prob going to be a bit of a wasted check; i really checked there for my own sanity so i could ignore their posts

happy i didn't switch off tho

[skitter30]

i want podoboq to check in to make sure they don't have something important to say relevant to this (ie that they're a rb and rb'd someone or something) and then i think i'm prob fine with lynching meph

also want sheep and meph to both fullclaim if they haven't done so

[skitter30]

ngl i thought that i kinda inadvertantly got you nk'd by saying i townread you; was really surprised that nobody died

[skitter30]

since mastina has apparently read every normal game ever or something, i thought she was deliberately tapping into a mini normal i played like a year ago where i was effectively clear and running the show and i wifomed myself out of lynching scum in mylo because i overthought everything and just couldn't commit to a decision

getting this role is kinda like super wifom-inducing for me and kinda had a similar vibe as that game by like setting me up to try to overthink lylo and i think she's the only person who would try to like utilize something like that to her advantage

her day1 play i thought was low-key pocketing of me; she made sure to emphasize that she *does* in fact know my playstyle even tho i still don't think i've ever played with her

(re-skimming her iso and i got reminded of this)

[skitter30]

yeah pdoboq has some clearing interactions iwth mastina day1 that i forgot about

[skitter30]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

yeah
like i said once i got this the question became: who thinks it's a good idea to make me a bp ic in this pl
because if i were scum a player like me is literally the last person i give this role to

and that's kinda the lens that i've been viewing the game since n1
and my best guess was that someone thought they could make me mess up lylo (i've gotten xylo wrong .... exactly once)
and it kinda just felt like someone was trying to make me overthink things

[skitter30]

yeah exactly

also idk when they decided to give this to me or if scum!nsg would have been active in the scum pt even, but i don't think scum!nsg like ever chooses to give this to me in like a bilion years

she also repped out fairly early on so this observation is fairly moot

also i the meph/mastina interactions day1 feel kinda anti-partner-y tbh

(i'm kinda thinking aloud now)

[skitter30]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

[skitter30]

scum!nsg repping out that way leaves a fairly bad taste in my mouth tho

[skitter30]

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

In spite of my reputation, I can when the occasion calls for it keep things close to my chest!

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim? And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

ok

so town!meph got a mysterious role overnight.
i say that my role changed too
mastina is claiming to have changed someone's role and that it wasn't mine

why is meph's reaction to this to *not* believe her claim?

now, suppose scum!meph coordinated with mastina to fabricate a fake-claim about recieving a role n1
again, why do they *not* believe mastina's claim here?

irregardless of meph's alignment this post is quite odd
also she seemed ot have forgotten nibbui was the nk?

[skitter30]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

Your role. They tried to wifom you.

That role was meant to be mislynched before it became mod confirmed. That was the game. You go from easy mode to hard mode not doing it.

oh yeah
their options were to try to lynch me day2 or try to fool me in lylo (or they have some hitherto unused strongman)

and that's why i played start of day2 kinda cautiously; i wanted to make sure there was literally no chance in hell i was getting lynched when i'd be an ic day3

but mastina was still being kinda pocket-y day2 (ie when i cc'd her if she was trying to get me lynched she should have voted me there; she tried to get me to believe her role and to like reason with me).
also like i'm not really mislynchable and i think mastina knows that; i don't think they were trying to mislynch me day2

[skitter30]

also i'd like everyone to share their reads on me in as excruciating detail as possible, thank you

You're a townread of mine, but not the type of person I wanted to target with my ability. (Thus, why I did not.)

I stated why yesterday: you are a reasonably skilled scum player whose scumplay is nigh-identical to your towngame, but you have displayed original thoughts that I felt were indicative of you being town. These thoughts didn't elevate you to supertown levels of the core townbloc, infallible town I could never be wrong on, but they did elevate you to be a solid townread.

^^^^ like this doesn't come from someone trying to mislynch me that day after i effectively cc'd her

[skitter30]

P.edit. What if more people than Skitter had a role change?

It points to your claim as not being legit, since according to your claim, only one player ought to have had their rolechanged, correct?

So, who changed Skitter’s then, according to you?

like ... why does scum!meph go down this route

[skitter30]

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

hmmmm

[skitter30]

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

Why did you say it was Nibbui then?

So, you’re saying Skitter is lying then? *confused*

like was she faking this or like did she actually not understand the plan or like

[skitter30]

yeah ok those were the townie posts; it's mostly the sheer cluelessness of what their plan had to have been

ngl i wish i just got an inno/guilty on them so that i didn't have to like try to sort them.
my gut says this may be a mislynch but i'd kinda rather it happen today than to try to sort through it in mylo tbh

[skitter30]

ok i'm going to bounce cuz i need to sleep

but for when i get back to this i want to go through the implications of this:
if meph was scum they presumably knew i got my role
and probably that mastina was going to fake-claim there

so why were they clueless but at the same time have a role that doesn't feel like it was made up on the spot?

[skitter30]

Nancy whatever ur alignment i'm blacklisting you
There wasa hammer already, right? Cuz if yeah im not going to read that

[skitter30]

Ok. I hope this ends it

(I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was a mislynch but i'm not going to complain really)

[skitter30]

please don't rep into my games in the future; i'm going to be avoiding yours

At some point I realized you either didnt read this or didn't understand what I was saying

[skitter30]

I actually think they're flipping town, surprisingly enough.
If not gg, if yeah I'll see you on the morrow

(I admit that im god-awful at reading ate so that's probably factoring into this but yeah)

[skitter30]

I mean what i want to say to that probably isn't going anywhere useful so I'm just going to be like: ok

[skitter30]

did anyone get anything last night?

so nobody has an explanation for the lack of a n2 kill. my best guess is .... idk. i can't come up with a reason why they'd no kill there.

Honestly, I don't really know what to do here. The game should have been over when we lynched Meph, but since it's not, now I have to navigate mylo for the first time since my newbie game here in 2015.

i thought meph's interactions with mastina at the start of day2 were anti-partner-y so i'm not that surprised tbh.

@sheep you're claiming a n6 vig and nothing else, right?

i think the best play is no-lynch; it'll make things easier tomorrow at least

[skitter30]

scum trust her to misvote

and no i havent really been reading give me a page where there arent nancy posts and i might read it

sheep, what's my role?

[skitter30]

ok so the n2 missing nk *appears* to be a no kill because there's no other mechanism that i know of in this game that could have prevented the nk short of nk'ing me which is just .... really dumb

is there any reason not to no lynch today? i guess i just hope there isn't a n4 strongman or something but that prob isn't too likely, right?

[skitter30]

ya

i really do want to know what happened to the nk tho

[skitter30]

VOTE: no lynch

And hopefully i get it right tomorrow!

[skitter30]

hi i suspect i know who i'm going to vote for but i have like a *process* for lylo which will probably take a few days to go through, which will largely consist of my thinking aloud as i go through various things like: vcs, each of your isos, mastina's iso etc

in the interim, feel free to explain why i shouldn't vote you

(and again, we never cleared up why there wasn't an nk n2, right?)

also sheep, is there a reason why i shouldn't just vote you for being guiltied n2?

also i was a little weirded out that slaxx didn't die n3 and was beginning to worry that i had gotten pocketed so it's good that got cleared up too

[skitter30]

ok i'm leaning quite a lot towards sheep, ngl
but i'm going to do the lylo due diligence before i vote

[skitter30]

i think either some fractions villagers just randomly come up as inno and the rest are guilty or the theory that ive had since they claimed which is that people who receive abilities are millered to that investigator which would explain why a) i was the one to receive it and b) some stuff balance wise? (im vanilla too)

but why tho? it's like needlessly complicated

also i'm still weirded out that you're claiming to have recieved a n6 vig n2, but me/meph got ours at-end-of-day1

[skitter30]

ok vcs first:

Vote count 1.1

mastina (3): the worst, InfiniteSoda, sheepsaysmeep
the worst (2): mastina, Pink Ball
Nibbui (1): northsidegal
skitter30 (1): Nibbui

not voting (2): podoboq, skitter30

northsidegal (3): the worst, sheepsaysmeep, Nibbui
the worst (2): mastina, Pink Ball
mastina (1): InfiniteSoda
Nibbui (1): northsidegal


not voting (2): podoboq, skitter30

^^^ could be early distancing from sheep; didn't stay on the mastina vote long

Vote count 1.8

Mephistophanes 39 (2): skitter30, sheepsaysmeep
podoboq (1): mastina
mastina (1): the worst
Nibbui (1): Mephistophanes 39
the worst (1): Pink Ball

not voting (3): LolWagons, podoboq, Nibbui

you both sat on nsg/meph for a fairly long while; sheep for even longer than podoboq
mastina's podoboq day1 push/vote feels like it should be clearing
this is kinda weird and i can't explain it super well but it at the same time feels pretty much exactly like the sort of push scum would make on their partner to distance when they know it isn't going anywhere

Vote count 1.a


mastina (3): Nibbui, the worst, Mephistophanes 39
the worst (3): Pink Ball, LolWagons, skitter30
podoboq (1): mastina

not voting (2): podoboq, sheepsaysmeep

you both just abstain from the mastina wagon (both wagons actually) from here till eod; neither of you are on an eod wagon

[unv][/unv]

would switch to mastina but not duck


i fucking hate this but at this poitn it would be throwing to ignore that nancy is villager

i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk


he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme

tw's tone just...

totally totally shifted after that claim

in an i-kinda-dislike way

right i hated this progression and how you supported the tw wagon as it was heating up but didn't join it, but also didn't join the cw (which incidentally was on scum)

also just going to point out nibbui was holloring: mastina -> sheep -> (slaxx maybe? i don't rmember who the third was) and he was the first nk

mastina (2): sheepsaysmeep, podoboq
podoboq (1): mastina

not voting (4): Mephistophanes 39, skitter30, Pink Ball, Slaxx

also sheep starting here was maybe overzealous? still do'nt like the mastina vote-parking on podoboq tho

mastina (4): podoboq, Slaxx, skitter30, Pink Ball
podoboq (1): mastina
Mephistophanes 39 (1): sheepsaysmeep

not voting (1): Mephistophanes 39

are scum offwagon here?

[skitter30]

ok also check: what was my read on sheep/podoboq day1?
because scum!mastina presumably had some sort of plan, and i'm not entirely sure she was trying to set herself up for endgame?

she was def setting up either herself or her partner to get me to vote wrong in lylo based on my day1 reads but i'm not sure if it was her or her partner and that kinda impacts how i read what she was doing day1

i'm not sure if she was expecting to get lynched day2, probably actually; that's how she started her first post that day.
if she really did she was def setting up her partner for endgame, which makes me a bi tmore dubious of her podoboq push day1

[skitter30]

right i hated this progression and how you supported the tw wagon as it was heating up but didn't join it, but also didn't join the cw (which incidentally was on scum)

so you hate that i didnt join the counterwagon to scum

well more like that you shaded town!tw while his wagon went down but explicitly refrained from making a choice between scum!mastina and town!tw despite saying earlier that you'd vote mastina before you vote tw

[skitter30]

note that i hold my vote in fear of maj on ms

? i don't know what this means

[skitter30]

Take your time, skitter. I’ll post some stuff later today probably, but sheep should probably get a chance to say something.

kinda ew'd by this tbh

why? i actually liked it?

[skitter30]

maj = hammer?
have you expressed similar feelings wrt hammering in another game you've played here since you've returned?

[skitter30]

i mean yeah but i still feel like even if i know/believe someone's scum they should be given the oppurtunity to defend themselves imo

i'd feel kinda bad lynching someone without giving them the chance to speak even if i knew they were scum

[skitter30]

mastina went from one vote to a hammer all during New Years Day. I didn't post at all after I went to my New Years Eve party on the 31st. I just wasn't here.

that's fair; i didn't remember that the lynch happened on new years day

and yeah i didn't like how sheep positioned himself around that lynch really (specifically 1355, where he said he'd vote mastina but not tw, but as both became wagoned he started scumreading him)

[skitter30]

ok thoughts on mastina's iso next:

northsidegal
Pink Ball
Nibbui
InfiniteSoda
sheepsaysmeep
skitter30
podoboq
the worst

you're both in the nebulous 'null-scum to scumlean' region; kinda where scum likes to put their partners i find

(boy is her iso dense and hard to read)

also at some point ~n1 i noticed that she paid *a lot* of attention to the questions i was asking her and went out her way to respond to all of them

This felt worse than skitter's entrance because it was even more clinical, and yet lacked the personality justification. podoboq is not a player I'd associate with that more "constructed" style of play when town, and would be someone I'd actually describe as a northsidegal-type of inquisitive: pushing forward, but lighthearted when doing so. This just felt entirely too serious, and he felt the need to correct a typo by making a follow-through post. It showed that he was paying close enough attention to realize he made a mistake, and yet, I'm meant to believe he wasn't paying close enough attention to form any sort of RVS? That he wouldn't be around for a couple of days was no excuse; you can always remove an RVS vote when you get back if need be.

right, this entire push (+ podoboq's reaction to it iirc; need to check, will get there when i get to podoboq's iso) feels anti-partner-y

(I read sheep's posts and utterly glossed over them, unable to really process them with an alignment in mind)

this feels like the sort of thing scum say about their partners imo

888 and 890 also feel anti-partner-y for podoboq; i forgot how hard she pushed it. not sure if scum deliberately bus day1 when they know they're putting a tracker/ic/bp + undetermined n2 invest into the game

I feel like having a negative read on sheep is easy if you're not informed of his alignment like it seems a certain couple of individuals are with their placements.

said to podoboq, about sheep, who she was nullreading. basically shading podoboq for townreading sheep (who she was not scumreading) by saying the only way someone could come to that conclusion if they were informed about sheep's alignment (even though iirc town!sheep was a fairly popular read day1)

also she was pushing scum!tw partnered with scum!podoboq as a cohesive unit that were scum *because they made sense with each other* and when tw flipped town she didn't reconsider podoboq; it's a very agenda-y read

Basically, what I'm saying here is: in spite of me having multiple times displayed content which podoboq has noted a distaste for, he has gone for a stance on me implying I'm town. It's cognitive dissonance.

not a partner-y read i'm pretty sure, and she elaborates on this theme for a while; i don't think scum pushes their partner for assuming that they're town

So my current readslist would be:
Mephistophanes
Nibbui
Pink Ball

skitter

Lolwagons
sheepsaysmeep

the worst
podoboq.

this changed ... remarkabl-y little from the readslist in her entrance (i moved up a bit, the the order of the townreads may have moved around iirc)
there's still like no articulated read on sheep

Btw, not that it'll make a difference since I expect to be lynched today, but.
VOTE: podoboq.
All the same, it's the thought that counts.

and i mentioned this a few times - this is the bit that *does* feel partner-y to me; to vote your partner when you know that you're likely to get lynched assuming it wont' get traction; it's like a classic distancing move

i really want to read mastina's analysis of my play in the scum pt lol

ok that's done
all in all i think her push on podoboq for the most part feels anti-partner-y
and she literally *never* articulated a firm read on sheep

[skitter30]

Spoiler: hmmmmmm

PoE
Mastina
Sheep
The worst

I particularly like more the idea of lynching either Mastina or Sheep than The worst tbh

Like, if not even one from [Mastina, The worst, Sheep] is scum we're probably screwed anyway

Sheep comes to the thread, unvote Mephis, town lean everyone except Mastina but doesn't vote Mastina yet

I just want to hope that Mastina flips red, we lynch Sheep and he flips red and I don't need to go for tw

I'M NOT GOING TO BELIEVE MY EYES IF THERE IS NO SCUM IN [Mastina, The worst, Sheep]

our PoE is basically [Mastina, Lolwagons, Sheep] right?

My PoE in next days is [Mastina, Sheep] and Pink Ball is the same as long as you flip green

ok i'll come back to this tonight prob

last things to do:
1. sheep's iso
2. pdoboq's iso
3. how each of them were reading me day1
4. how i was reading day1

and i think that'll be it

(sorry, not trying to drag this on forever and i know you're both waiting on me .... i just want to get it right; i'd feel kinda silly losing in lylo here if scum engineered that to happen specifically + i've been in xylo like 8 times or something and i've voted right all but once and i want to keep the streak going )

[skitter30]

podoboq's iso

Is this a joke? Soda and I had said literally nothing of value.

right i think this reaction to mastina's readslist is anti-partner-y

I considered replacing out after reading this. To me, this translates to "I always speak in literally the scummiest way possible, and that will never change. Either learn to play with it, or lose," and frankly I don't know that I'll be able to play with it. But I'm gonna do my best.

this too ^^^ i don't think partners really talk about repping out here in response to this

maybe a little nervous that scum!podoboq is using town!tw's reads to form his readslist? like to make a readslist that kinda gels with what townies have given? but again, i don'tt hink that scum literally copies it exactly, and more importantly, i don't think that their partner *calls them out on it*

still think 551 - 607 or so are super townie
especially 553 and 578

875 and the continued discussion about mastina's read on his rvs is anti-partner-y imo

Hey guys, real quick. Is the general consensus that mastina is incredible at this game?

What the fuck are you guys reading? This isn't David Sedaris we're talking about. This is just an atrocious scumhunter.

If mastina is infallible at this game, then she's just scum, and I should just vote her. If she's prone to being exceptionally wrong, then she's probably just exceptionally wrong.

this doesn't feel like it's about a partner; same with 917; 955; 962; 969
honestly almost feel like you'd have repped out if you were partners with her. and/or vented/raged at her in the scum pt to get her to drop it already

denigrating mastina's day2 opener is townie

Oof, that's a really good catch that I didn't make. You're right. If scum GAVE the power to skitter, KNOWING skitter was going to have the ability to track, then they thought skitter was less likely to track mastina than the other scum.

i was townreading both of you day1 more than mastina

yeah i'm pretty sure it's just sheep tbh; there's a lot of things pointing away from it being podoboq

i'll skim his iso later or tomorrow just as a last check but i'll prob vote tomorrow

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i'd feel bad lynching mastina before she really played the game
still think podo is town
idk about tw
not townreading sheep as strogly but i don't like scumread him either

these were my last stated reads on day1?
why tf do they give it to me here?

unless it's like podoboq and they thought that read would last till here but like .... i don't think it is?

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podoboq was townreading me fairly strongly as far as i can tell but didn't mention me for most of day1 and the read wasn't like pocket-y?

unless they thought i was *less* likely to track mastina there than {last scum?}

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and that it was her job to keep me pocketed (she def was doing that)

and the other scum was more likely to get tracked that night?

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like based on those reads they thought i was *less*likely to track mastina than {sheep/podoboq}?

?????

i'm still so confused why they thought giving it to me was a good idea

although now that i think about it ... most townies reads that day were kinda tricky to negotiate around?
tw had mastina as scum
nibbui was screaming sheep/mastina
meph was just meph ... and i think too unpredictable for mastina to plan around
slaxx i'm pretty sure was scumreading mastina? iirc? also he feels pretty strong town; not sure if they wanted to deal with conf!town!him
pink ball ... i don't remember what he was thinking actually

If the worst flips town, it's mastina and sheep and we win, as simple as that.

I'm going to wait skitter to come here and jam. I still think it's {mastina, sheep} but want to see if I should reevaluate about sheep now that I was wrong about the duck.

By PoE I'm left with mastina and sheep since Nancy's whole reaction was townie enough.

welp ok that makes sense; also explains why he died
and podoboq was in a thing with mastina, and could well have tracked her that night

huh, now that i think about it, the plan may have been to give it to nsg maybe with mastina trying to pocket her until she repped out actually

i think in mastina/sheep, mastina tries to deepwolf
i don't know podoboq to make that judgement well enough as to who'd try to deepwolf there; probably still mastina but honestly idk

i think it might have been less about giving it to me, and more about the fact that most other people were worse choices in the sense that they were actively scumreading scum, and i had more amiable reads on them at that time

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those podo posts you find villagery while yelling at nibbui are like

so wolfily aggressive mh

?? they're like the towniest parts of his iso imo

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i think it might have been less about giving it to me, and more about the fact that most other people were worse choices in the sense that they were actively scumreading scum, and i had more amiable reads on them at that time

this finally makes the game makes sense, wow

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[unv][/unv]

would switch to mastina but not duck


i fucking hate this but at this poitn it would be throwing to ignore that nancy is villager

you kinda like never articulated a read on her for most of day1 (saying you have no idea how to play with her playstyle) and this post is still so bad given that you didn't vote mastina when a wagon formed but started shading tw when he was her cw

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honestly i want to think mastina is town


we know skitter was given an ability by mafia

we know meph was given an ability not necessarily by mafia



i think surface level the odds that those are two mafia are low

also like this ^^^^

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sheep also wasn't really doing the pocketing thing day1

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i think occam's razor just points to sheep:

-> it explains the nibbui and pink ball nks
-> it explains him getting a n2 ability (me+ meph were day1 abilities)
-> it explains the guilty thing
-> it substantiates a gamestate that explains why i get this
-> mastina never articulated a scumread on him
-> sheep never really articulated a read on her, but said he'd vote her over tw, but when both were getting wagoned he shaded tw and never picked a side
-> podoboq has a shit-ton of anti-associatives with mastina
-> sheep inexplicably townread her day2

like i guess there's some universe where mastina + podoboq were doing some long-term weird distancing thing but like on balance i think it's significantly less likely than sheep just being scum

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he also like kinda disappeared day2 onwards tbh

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although i think he really started disliking/disenjoying this game at that point too

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ok i'm about ready to end this; i hope i got it right lol
sheep if you've got anything else to say, go ahead

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yeah that's like the one thing that i'm kinda doubting here but overall all the other things pointing to you are stronger i think

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i hate being the person to make the decision lol

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i just like overthink everything, and i could easily spend the next like week debating this with myself but i dont' think i'm going to get much more clarity tbh

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sorry if you're town!

VOTE: sheep

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sorry :/
the evidence was kinda insurmountable
and i guess you were planning for mastina to be around long-term coupled with nancy made this game super hard for you

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you may release my thread

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i hope all of you enjoyed watching me talk to myself for the past hour lol

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i think it might have been less about giving it to me, and more about the fact that most other people were worse choices in the sense that they were actively scumreading scum, and i had more amiable reads on them at that time

this finally makes the game makes sense, wow

i love it when things click and this made everything finally

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Well played skitter

I was sweating why I hadn’t been killed

i was also the day we no-lynched but i decided that probably wasn't a good thing to talk about

p-edit i thought it might be you/sheep and that's literallyt he exact sort of wifom-y thing that i'd get stuck in for like a week

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like i think it's possible i could have talked myself out of going for sheep there for being 'too obvious' or whatever

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yep, gg mastina and sheep.
it was pretty toughh for you guys after like day1

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also what confused me for so long is that ... i am pretty good at lylo so i couldn't figure out why mastina/whoever wanted me to be there, and that threw me off for a fairly long time because i couldn't figure out what they were doing

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^^^^ and that fed into the 'what if i'm being wifom'ed here' loop that i was veiwing the game through for like the last three days

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Was the no kill so there wouldn’t be a tracker clear?

I wanted to explain that to skitter but no one else seemed to catch on and I didn’t want to be the one who seemingly knew lmfao

i mean yeah i guess it was just this?
and i guess they valued not-limiting the poe over nk'ing someone?

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i still think nancy was kinda clear on associatives with mastina start of day2 but yeah
also i'm not entirely sure what the 'a guilty may be false' thing means really so i wasn't entirely sure what to do with the claim

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Good modding

^^^^

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wait tw gave nancy the cop thing? that explains a lot of the start-of-day2 weirdness ctually

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also schadd, i quite liked the setup!

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wait tw gave nancy the cop thing? that explains a lot of the start-of-day2 weirdness ctually

yup

knowing how mastina does NKs and based on the top tier of my townreads I worked out there was exactly a -700% chance that slot would ever be killed n1

was pretty proud of that decision

ah ok
there was something weird going on there that still wasn't explained by mastina being scum
because it didn't *entirely* feel like she knew who she gave her day1 ability to? or like it took her too long to realize it was nancy? idk what it was but it was weird and i just shrugged it off as 'mastina being scum doing idk what'

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: )

im gonan do a slightly longer postgame ramble after i put the next game in mod queue but suffice to say this is my fav game that i've modded and i was really happy with like every part of it

i really liked it quite a lot!

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thanks for all the positive psychic energy from the dead thread

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You nailed it--and were literally the only one to have done so!--when you analyzed it and realized that you weren't picked because we wanted to pick you; you were picked because literally every other option we had was worse than you.

when i figured it out i was like - ooooooooh the game finally makes sense now
i love it when things just like click

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taking note for myself for endgame that i should include timestamps in the dont quote mod info rule

Hey schadd, just thought I'd help remind you. I was really concerned when I saw this happen in the game, and went back your rules to make sure it wasn't explicitly against your rules. Good to know you were thinking about it too.

yeah i also did

part of the reason why i was kinda jiving with the claim is that ... the timestamp matched up pretty much exactly with when i got mine

it felt kinda against the spirit of the rules to mention that tho

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like i was really glad to see skitter sign up for this bc i was thinking like . . . she is the perfect person to get or interact with this sort of role and it was incredibly exciting to see her spill all sorts of setup spec tea in her thread

also her reaction to getting the role was like one of the times ive laughed the hardest at a mafia game but i think i was in a sort of delirious state regarding the whole situation

yes, i quite enjoyed the setup spec!

and yeah my first thought was that it was a prank lol