Micro 894: Marked for Death!! [game over]

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Titus head v/la until Monday.

~Titus

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honestly tempted to call a Caesar/Bailey solve on pg 4 for bragging rights but realistically need a bit more from Puppets/Chemist first

I don't think ceej is scummy

Seems a bit off. If it's Caesar Bailey, where is the counter effort from scum?

Why do you think that's the solve?

It's been ages since a micro for me. I still feel RVSy.

~Titus

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Chemist and Puppets are still strange to me

What? I've barely posted. How are we "strange"?

~Titus

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Chemist and Puppets are still strange to me

What? I've barely posted. How are we "strange"?

~Titus

I agree, that’s a really odd thing to say George. Anyway, so far liking Oster and DDL.

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I’ll try to read some ISOs tomorrow. Still feel good about DDL, Oster.

~N

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yeah both ND and Titus typically post a lot

I am not going to post a lot. Real life has dramatic changes.

~Titus

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VOTE: DDL

I don't get any good vibes from him and I don't like how he alternates between semi-scumreading Caesar and sheeping him

VOTE: DDL

I want to test this.

I think Bailey might be town and DDL might be jealous/interfering scum.

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yeah both ND and Titus typically post a lot

I am not going to post a lot. Real life has dramatic changes.

~Titus

@DDL, activity for me is never AI. I’ve already posted here more than I did in Labrynth on D1. I’ve had an exhausting day today.

Not sure I agree with Titus’ vote but I’m too tired rn to think clearly. Lion may be town. He seems more engaged here than in Newsroom.

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i wish people would stop saying

I did this for ONE GAME as town thus this is NAI!!!

Like if you did this for every game as scum, its still NAI and elli's program will pick it up

You’re misinterpreting. Activity is never NAI for me. I’ve hyper poster, low posted, flaked, replaced out, lurked as every alignment. Meta check me if you dispute this. As for Titus, she’s way more active as scum, in the games I’ve played with her anyway.

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i wish people would stop saying

I did this for ONE GAME as town thus this is NAI!!!

Like if you did this for every game as scum, its still NAI and elli's program will pick it up

You’re misinterpreting. Activity is never AI for me. I’ve hyper poster, low posted, flaked, replaced out, lurked as every alignment. Meta check me if you dispute this. As for Titus, she’s way more active as scum, in the games I’ve played with her anyway.

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Would you like me to link MD for you, where I reached some 1,001 posts as scum in that?

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UNVOTE:

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This is not aimed directly at you, but I understand your point. I still think lynching in my pool is correct

Activity-based sr are far more likely to come from scum than town.

i wish people would stop saying

I did this for ONE GAME as town thus this is NAI!!!

Like if you did this for every game as scum, its still NAI and elli's program will pick it up

I found this post scummy, because exception proves the rule kind of thing.

I unvoted because you’re at L-1 and I’d like you to address this.

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vote count 1.07

GAIUS JULIUS "CAESAR WILLS IT" CAESAR

Many were surprised when the famous Caesar reemerged unharmed some 2067 years after his infamously brutal murder. In fact the city of Rome has been in an absolute uproar about it. But his climb back to fame and power via his immense charisma and personal access to a great wealth of invaluable BCE artefacts has been steep, and undeniable.
Until earlier this week, Caesar has been on tour around modern Italy campaigning for Rome's independence. Thousands have flocked to the cause.

GuiltyLion

(0) :

Chemist1422

(0) :

GeorgeBailey

(0) :

Osetr

(0) :

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(0) :

ceejayvinoya

(2) : Caesar Wills It, DrDolittle

DrDolittle

(3) : GeorgeBailey, Chemist1422, Dancing Puppets

Caesar Wills It

(3) : GuiltyLion, ceejayvinoya, Osetr

not voting:

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2019-10-22 08:00:00) or earlier automatically if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- quack

It’s nuts that there’s a little over 2 days until deadline and only 8 pages. Usually I get overwhelmed by hyperposting but this is the opposite. I hope this changes D2, I need more content.

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This is not aimed directly at you, but I understand your point. I still think lynching in my pool is correct

Activity-based sr are far more likely to come from scum than town.

i wish people would stop saying

I did this for ONE GAME as town thus this is NAI!!!

Like if you did this for every game as scum, its still NAI and elli's program will pick it up

I found this post scummy, because exception proves the rule kind of thing.

I unvoted because you’re at L-1 and I’d like you to address this.

@DDL

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@DDL, some reason you’re ignoring my question? I specifically unvoted you, to give you the opportunity to respond to it, yet you continue to post in the thread and ignore it. Why is that?

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Aight, well either Chemist, Puppets, or I gotta hammer here.
But I really want a response from Caesar first.
In my experience, lynching someone who doesn't interact much with the game (which is why i'm guessing most people are voting him) hasn't turned out well.

GB, probably town.

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Aight, well either Chemist, Puppets, or I gotta hammer here.
But I really want a response from Caesar first.
In my experience, lynching someone who doesn't interact much with the game (which is why i'm guessing most people are voting him) hasn't turned out well.

I need a response from both Caesar and DDL.

Caeser re: his wagon obviously and DDL for why he refuses to answer my extremely valid question. When I get responses from both of them, I’ll know who to vote for.

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VOTE: DDL

Nancy tells me you're saying that you're pursuing a scumread on us based on activity level. Hyperpost Titus is dead. Deal with it. That's NAI for me.

Second, your attitude regarding Caesar and Bailey getting along so well reeks of jealousy. If you can't control it, no one can. I despise those types of personalities.

~Titus

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Well, I already knew from MG that DDL, can be helluva obnoxious.

He pushes a bs scum activity read on us and when I debunk it, he has nothing to say about it other than misrep my post wrt Labrynth but it was his continuing to ignore my question about that was what majorly pinged me. When town!him pushed a equally silly bs push on town!Dann in MG, he didn’t ignore the question like he is here.

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In YGM, scum!Thor made a not entirely different push on town!Gamma - insisting that Gamma had specific posting activity as town and scum and that he was lockscum in that.

I think if DDL were town here, he would have tried to engage my question and convince me, he wasn’t pulling a Thor on us. so I read his clearly deliberate silence on this as scummy.

Sorry Oster, I think you’re wrong here. Town!DDL doesn’t ignore my valid question if his push on us was town motivated.

I’m also not liking his inserting himself into a townblock with other slots that are probably actually town. That’s what I did as scum in HW. Inserting yourself into a townblock is a really effective way for scum to hide. It worked out great for me.

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DDL is likely a control based scumfuck. I am too as scum. Dominate and take out those who oppose. DDL pinged this personality when he attacked Caesar for his behavior towards Bailey and acted dumb when I called him out for being jealous. Then he tries to use RL against me and for himself.

I'd bet my life DDL is scum.

~Titus

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It's kinda wild that at least one of DP/Chemist/Caesar is town and genuinely scumreading DDL

Bailey I understand your reluctance to hammer but I'd like to reiterate that I am actually scumreading Caesar for their actions and posts rather than a general lack thereof.

I don't see Caesar scum and I think you're getting played/used most likely.

~Titus

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DDL is likely a control based scumfuck. I am too as scum. Dominate and take out those who oppose. DDL pinged this personality when he attacked Caesar for his behavior towards Bailey and acted dumb when I called him out for being jealous. Then he tries to use RL against me and for himself.

I'd bet my life DDL is scum.

~Titus

I am meek as hell when I play scum what are you talking about. I literally said in my last scum game, gosh people have scum agendas and plans and I'm just barely able to stay alive.

I want an appology from you after this game when I flip town if you are town too. what you are doing to me this game is entirely in bad faith.

If you flip town, I will apologize. Highlighting you match a scum profile and you suggesting our post volume is AI are scummy. You should apologize for pushing that argument. The others meh whatever. Don't hold my RL against me when my stressors are well documented on site.

~Titus

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This is not aimed directly at you, but I understand your point. I still think lynching in my pool is correct

Activity-based sr are far more likely to come from scum than town.

i wish people would stop saying

I did this for ONE GAME as town thus this is NAI!!!

Like if you did this for every game as scum, its still NAI and elli's program will pick it up

I found this post scummy, because exception proves the rule kind of thing.

I unvoted because you’re at L-1 and I’d like you to address this.

Ok using your thing, I used an activity based tell in Open 779 on NSG. (among many others). Because it is reliable. I'm sure you know this too, everyone was using it on Croag, CW, among others in our magic girls game, and I don't think it was particularly LLD, HH, CW, RCE.

I'm not sure what you mean by exception proves the rule but I'm pretty sure what you are saying is misguided. I gave you an example too. If I do A 99 percent of my scum games and 1 percent of my town games, me doing A is still scummy. Because I'm not saying doing A FOR SURE makes you scum, I'm saying doing A gives you a bigger propensity of being scum.

Okay, just saw this. I still think this argument is scummy.

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DDL is likely a control based scumfuck. I am too as scum. Dominate and take out those who oppose. DDL pinged this personality when he attacked Caesar for his behavior towards Bailey and acted dumb when I called him out for being jealous. Then he tries to use RL against me and for himself.

I'd bet my life DDL is scum.

~Titus

I am meek as hell when I play scum what are you talking about. I literally said in my last scum game, gosh people have scum agendas and plans and I'm just barely able to stay alive.

I want an appology from you after this game when I flip town if you are town too. what you are doing to me this game is entirely in bad faith.

Maybe you are actually town here? But I have no familiarity with your scumgame and scum!Maria threatened to blacklist RC in MG. Can you link me some of your scumgames?

This is Nancy, in case that wasn’t obvious.

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@GL, I can’t help but noticing, your play here is like practically 180 opposite of Newsroom.

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degrees

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It's mountainous poison really so you can't say there's no nightkill

Any lynch >no lynch. At the very least we get info, no lynching just helps scum.

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I think both the current lynch targets are probably town. Ceaser more so. Given no night kill I wouldn't be against the controversial no lynch day 1

Don’t you have any scumreads?

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Senator Dolittle, your attempt to twist Mighty Caesar’s words is pathetic. We of course would prefer to govern by consensus, but when the Empire is threatened, it is necessary for one with clear vision to rule directly. You have proven time and again that your concern is really only for your own hide, and to Pluto with any genuine discourse. You operate indecisively, with no conviction, and yet appeal to our baser, crude emotions in lieu of any real reason.

We see through this façade, and condemn you for it. The Praetorian Guard will make quick work of you.

I have no clue how to read gimmick alts, except Dr. Worm and Wagonomics.

Have you played with scum!DDL? Would he demand an apology as scum? If DDL was Maria, I’d powerlynch this slot but having not read a single DDL scumgame of his, I don’t know how to read it.

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@DDL, I really need to see some of your scumgames.

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I think both the current lynch targets are probably town. Ceaser more so. Given no night kill I wouldn't be against the controversial no lynch day 1

I think both the current lynch targets are probably town. Ceaser more so. Given no night kill I wouldn't be against the controversial no lynch day 1

Don’t you have any scumreads?

I've only looked into you and Ceaser so far. As I've already said, I think you're both town. With 20 hours left I doubt there will be a wagon change.

When did you express a read on us?

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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729

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Okay, I read both, only thing that really stuck out to me is that you pretty much lurked out the second one and RC and Ank townlocked you in the second.

But you were pretty active in the first.

I probably would have been better off asking you for towngames, since the only one I have to go on is MG, where you were being super obnoxious but you’ve actually been pretty chill here by comparison. So, I should probably try to check out more of your towngames, to see if you being over the top obnoxious, is something you’ve done in other games besides MG.

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I'll self vote tomorrow

Why?

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not gonna lie I'm still insanely tunneled on Caesar and thus one of Chemist/Elements for the partner by proxy but I do want to leave this game in a salvageable state in case I have somehow borked it on the Caesar read

Elements - please explain to the best of your ability why you were townreading Caesar yesterday to the point that you unvoted him while he was at L-1, and then what prompted you to revote him again with less than an hour to deadline?

Caesar - why would you give Elements a pass (243) for his predecessor's behavior simply for replacing in? Why was Doolittle a better vote than Ceejay/Elements? And are you intentionally ignoring my 147? Want to answer that now that I'm confirmed town?

Chemist/DP - you were wrong on Doolittle scumreads and neither of you pushed much else. How does the game look to you now?

also curious why I was marked instead of Osetr who seems to be a consensus townread

I’m kind of trying to wrap my brain around what Elements was thinking. He tr Caesar over DDL yet votes Caeser minutes to EoD when it makes absolutely no difference. I think if either one flips scum, they could possibly be linked.

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all i can say is

DOLITTLE

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKK

DDL clearly didn’t read the setup. Let’s have no more “heroes” in the game self-voting, please.

When the deadline expires, the day will end with the majority wagon being lynched.

In the event of there being competing majority wagons, the one which reached its majority first will be lynched.

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I think both the current lynch targets are probably town. Ceaser more so. Given no night kill I wouldn't be against the controversial no lynch day 1

VOTE: caeser

@Elements, please explain this?

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Sorry Dr. Dolittle. I was wrong. I am drunk and high. Nancy told me you might be town. I persisted. Sorry.

~Titus

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I have to go v/la because the hotel WiFi is blacklisted by the site so I can't post with it.
GL
Chem
DP
Ostre
GB
Ceaser
Is my read list atm.
Give me questions and I'll get round to answering them Sunday night GMT

Why is GL even on your list? He’s mod confirmed to be town and Oster should be #1 on there.

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am i the only one who thinks that the above argument looks fake?

Element's?

I mean, Elements never specifically said DDL was scum, but defended Caesar in the same post.

talking about the 2 posts above mine

NEVER self vote

VOTE: elements

but your vote was blank

I do a vast quantity of blank voting

You mean these?

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VOTE: chemist

I have to go v/la because the hotel WiFi is blacklisted by the site so I can't post with it.
GL
Chem
DP
Ostre
GB
Ceaser
Is my read list atm.
Give me questions and I'll get round to answering them Sunday night GMT

How did you get from voting Chemist to having him as your second highest town?

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What ho? The Senate has reconvened without Mighty Caesar’s permission? Impertinence!

This treachery has a clear root to My eyes. Senator Elements has failed to redeem the legacy of his predecessor, and his conduct at the end of the prior session shows his villainy clearly to Us. The blatant move against Our Imperial Personage would be enough to condemn any man, but We perceive it as an empty gesture meant to distance himself from the expulsion of Senator Dolittle, whose guilt he had earlier promoted in falsity.

Praetorians, seize the Senator!

VOTE: Elements

I really hate gimmick alts. How do you seriously expect anyone to read you correctly?

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And when I flip town?

Then I look suspicious, and people will definitely suspect me as a scum duo with Caesar, seeing as how we both voted You/CJ early game. If Osetr and GL think Caesar is still more scum than you, then i'll go either way. But you both are my top scum reads right now.

I don't find Chemist particularly scummy contrary to DDL's speculations. And while puppets did vote up DDL, their reasoning wasn't baseless.

I agree. DDL I think is misunderstanding Chemist scum meta. If DDL had flipped scum, I would be highly inclined to think Chemist was a buddy, because he’s done that in a few scumgames of his, I read.

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I don't like DP's post towards Caesar, feels TMI-ish

How are you getting that? I’m finding it extremely frustrating that I don’t know how to read him.

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I don't like DP's post towards Caesar, feels TMI-ish

How are you getting that? I’m finding it extremely frustrating that I don’t know how to read him.

Sorry, nm, I misread.

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I really hate gimmick alts. How do you seriously expect anyone to read you correctly?

I don't find it so bad.

His post basically boils down to:

1. Elements is doing worse than CJ
2. his posts before N1 seemed suspicious
3. voting Caesar was just an attempt to distance himself from the DDL mislynch.

But that last point is what confuses me. Because i think it was to distance himself further from townreading Caesar.

I would prefer not to have a slot I can’t read in LYLO. I’m still trying to wrap my brain around that too.

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Iow, I’m saying that if Caeser doesn’t start becoming more readable, he’s a problem to keep around. We need to have people that are more easily sortable like Oster and Lion.

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Iow, I’m saying that if Caeser doesn’t start becoming more readable, he’s a problem to keep around. We need to have people that are more easily sortable like Oster and Lion.

Does anyone seriously disagree that if he doesn’t become more readable soon, he should never get anywhere near endgame?

I think the same could also be arguably said for Elements as well, eventhough he obviously isn’t a gimmick alt.

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VOTE: Caesar

Nancy has control of our vote while I am sick but I'll try to be around.

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VOTE: chemist
I think this is the last scum

I have to go v/la because the hotel WiFi is blacklisted by the site so I can't post with it.
GL
Chem
DP
Ostre
GB
Ceaser
Is my read list atm.
Give me questions and I'll get round to answering them Sunday night GMT

VOTE: chemist
I think this is the last scum

sorry no

Also, why is everyone town reading GB?

Why did you vote for Chemist then, since you have him as your 2nd highest town?

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if it's not elements, it's puppets

REMEMBER THIS IF WE GO TO LYLO

Nope, sorry.

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DrDolittle

(3) :

Chemist1422,

Caesar Wills It,

Dancing Puppets

Caesar Wills It

(4) :

GuiltyLion,

ceejayvinoya,

Osetr, DrDolittle

DrDolittle

(4) :

Chemist1422,

Caesar Wills It,

Dancing Puppets,

DrDolittle

Caesar Wills It

(2) :

GuiltyLion, Osetr

DrDolittle

(4) :

Chemist1422,

Caesar Wills It,

Dancing Puppets,

DrDolittle

Caesar Wills It

(3) :

GuiltyLion, Osetr,

Elements

d1 vc stuffs

Where is GB? Did he not vote?

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here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

Hmm . . . that’s interesting. Too bad we can’t ask GL to elaborate on this further.

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I think both DP and elements are town. So scum is probably caesar and chemist (who's still avoiding me)

Whoah, DDL’s and GL’s reads contradict each other. The only common demoninator is that neither and that includes Oestr (who has no clue how to read me, unlike DDL and GL who actually have some experience playing with me ) is all three don’t have GB in their POE and only Oestr has us.

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caeser if you get on in time would you prefer a you lynch or a no lynch?

Why did you ask this?

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not gonna lie I'm still insanely tunneled on Caesar and thus one of Chemist/Elements for the partner by proxy but I do want to leave this game in a salvageable state in case I have somehow borked it on the Caesar read

Elements - please explain to the best of your ability why you were townreading Caesar yesterday to the point that you unvoted him while he was at L-1, and then what prompted you to revote him again with less than an hour to deadline?

Caesar - why would you give Elements a pass (243) for his predecessor's behavior simply for replacing in? Why was Doolittle a better vote than Ceejay/Elements? And are you intentionally ignoring my 147? Want to answer that now that I'm confirmed town?

Chemist/DP - you were wrong on Doolittle scumreads and neither of you pushed much else. How does the game look to you now?

also curious why I was marked instead of Osetr who seems to be a consensus townread

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Welcome to Our August Presence, Senator Elements. Know that your predecessor left this assembly in ignominy and shame, under no small amount of suspicion. Surely, this was the result of personal corruption, and not apostasy on the part of your entire constituency. We shall grant thee the benefit of the doubt, as it were, to amend his sins.

Given the late hour, and the sweet callings of Our most luxurious bed, We command the Senate to come to a decision point. The Senate will vote with all haste to eject Senator Dolittle. We acknowledge that this is an imperfect choice, yet it is clearly the better of the choices before Us.

Caesar Wills It, let it be done.

I still don’t know how anybody can read this fps crap, I’m just lucky to have Titus as my partner. It’s a really weird post. CWI sr ceejay but not elements but D2 votes him?

Either elements is a buddy or CWI is trying to frame him as one.

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CWI mentions every player in the game except for Osetr and Chemist.

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Has anyone played with scum!CWI before? Does he usually refer (if at all) to his buddies and how?

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Oh CWI is Pine. That may explain a lot here.

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Also, why is everyone town reading GB?

VOTE: chemist
I think this is the last scum

Yuck? At first when I read this, I thought kill it with fire. But I saw the VC in the middle. It makes sense for a busser to be on the VCs and Elements posting shading someone he has as PoE town doesn't make sense. Yet, if Elements is scum the logical play would be to feign surprise if Chemist flipped scum and determine is move the next day as Chemist could be viewed as obvtown.

So, I'm conflicted. I expect Elements to be bussing but his opening might be pure. I'm going to see if Elements has town paranoia or scum shading.

I also need to see if Chemist does more IIoA. Yet, if there is no bus vote, then it does kinda mandate looking at GB as GB refusing to vote Caesar prevented the scum Lynch without the baggage of looking like scum because he was on a popular read.

Tldr; Excuse the stream of consciousness. I'm trying to get back in and solve the game.

~Titus (all other posts today we're Nancy)

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remember me saying elements can be scum?

yeah nevermind that, i've read pages 4 to 7 and he aint no scum

it's bailey followed by puppets

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Aight, well either Chemist, Puppets, or I gotta hammer here.
But I really want a response from Caesar first.
In my experience, lynching someone who doesn't interact much with the game (which is why i'm guessing most people are voting him) hasn't turned out well.

this is my entire case

if you want more, lol why, this post is enough

This is the

entirety

of your case? Are you actually going to bother to explain this or what?

Yeah no. Neither DDL or GL thought he was scum and you’re wrong on us, so not trusting your reads on shit.

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I’m just going to ignore you Oestr and try to figure who actually has the most scum equity here and ISO GL’s posts for help.

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Is that typical for you Osetr, pushing a slot based on only one post? I’ve never played with you before. Has that actually ever worked?

I’ve seen it happen with the first few posts but neither GL or DDL sr him, so I’m not letting you lose us this game. If you want us to lynch GB, you’ll actually have to come up with a reasonable case. First you were 100% sure on elements, now you’ve done a 180 on that slot.

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also why are you so mad over me calling you 2nd likiest scum lol

It’s more that I don’t trust your reads based on you suddenly changing from elements to GB, based solely on one post. I’ve been tr him all game, so has Titus.

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i was right on caesar lol chill man

that isn't entirely my case, i was kinda baiting but oh well

True, I just get annoyed when people can’t read me.

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But seriously, do you think GB’s ISO in general is scummy, other than that one post?

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im not sring gb on just one post

it's just testing

but you getting so mad most likely makes you town

so you and chem are good to go imo

gb > elements

elements & ceejay were pushing caesar pretty darn hard, and caesar was pushing their slot a lot as well. thatd be such unnecessary bussing, it'd be pretty dumb imo

gb on the other hand was always reluctant to lynch caesar despite nullreading him

he also didnt try to save his top townread of DDL by voting caesar and isntead went on a random vanity wagon

I will ISO GB but I dunno, why do you think DDL and GL were tr him?

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i dont remember why

but relying on dead townies' reads is kinda wack

well they tr'd him, so what

it's not like towns have 100% guessrate

I townlocked a slot in SC 2 and then I got Nk’d, I turned out to be right, so disagree on that,

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I was going to vote Elements as a reaction test but it seems GB already voted there.

GB is also quite passive here.

~Titus

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Why does GB’s case read like damage control

Titus would you be mad if I hammered

No. I'll ask Nancy. I keep waffling on GB and Elements. I am stuck with a lot of work and emotional things so I'm not sure I'll be 200% confident.

[Dancing Puppets]

Why does GB’s case read like damage control

Titus would you be mad if I hammered

No. I'll ask Nancy. I keep waffling on GB and Elements. I am stuck with a lot of work and emotional things so I'm not sure I'll be 200% confident.

i dont remember why

but relying on dead townies' reads is kinda wack

well they tr'd him, so what

it's not like towns have 100% guessrate

I townlocked a slot in SC 2 and then I got Nk’d, I turned out to be right, so disagree on that,

But in general the dead townie will know less than the alive ones so their reads are less informed.
VOTE: gb

My townreads that game were pretty good but because I was dead town, my reads got ignored and they mislynched.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Chemist, why GB over Elements?

[Dancing Puppets]

@Chemist, why GB over Elements?

I mean other then the fact he’s at L-1 obviously.

[Dancing Puppets]

vote count 3.02

Chemist1422

(0) :

GeorgeBailey

(2) : Osetr, Elements

Osetr

(0) :

Dancing Puppets

(0) :

Elements

(0) :

not voting:

Chemist1422, GeorgeBailey, Dancing Puppets

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2019-11-06 06:00:00) or earlier automatically if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- Osetr is marked, and confirmed to be aligned with the town
- prodding GeorgeBailey
- quack

We still have 5 days, do we need to rush this?

[Dancing Puppets]

Ftr, wrt dead town reads, I think GL and DDL were probably wrong on Chemist.

[Dancing Puppets]

here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

GL hardtown read GB. Does Lion have pretty decent reads in general?

[Dancing Puppets]

here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

GL hardtown read GB. Does Lion have pretty decent reads in general?

He was obviously right on CWI and I think wrong on you, if MG is any indication.

[Dancing Puppets]

yeah id say elements is TWTBW, dont think he flips scum here

I hope NotMafia is reading this. He detests that expression.

[Dancing Puppets]

@DP who are your top scum picks right now? Is it still Me/Ele?

Yeah, Chemist seems pretty townie except I’m leaning elements over you. I’m trying to decide if I agree on him being derp town.

You?

[Dancing Puppets]

You?

DP
-----
Chemist
___
Elements

Are probably my reads right now.
I'm fairly certain It's Elements, and if not, then i'll have to go with the two dead townies, since they both were right about Caesar.
I'm also town reading DP more than I am with Chemist. So for me, it's more of process of elimination decision.

@Osetr

hey buddy, could you at least unvote me so i'm not 1 vote away from a hammer? As DP said, we have a couple days to talk this out. And Chemist's eagerness to hammer me is a bit unnerving. Doesn't it at least make you suspicious how fast Elements voted for me, without having a case at first?

I think since we still have a few days and this is the vote just before LYLO, we definitely shouldn’t rush this vote.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Elements

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Elements

~Titus

Weren't you against a hammer

UNVOTE:

That was Titus. She’s made all the votes so far.

[Dancing Puppets]

I only went against my hydra partner not to rush the vote, so I will out of respect to her have to put it back on elements but I would rather feel confident in either elements or GB, which I’m not rn.

but still leaning elements over GB, however it’s definitely not a confident read.

[Dancing Puppets]

Didn’t see that coming.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Chemist

Congrats, I never would have thought you’d be a deep wolf here.

This is why you don’t dismiss the reads of dead townies.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

I obviously know you’re scum but this makes absolutely no sense. Why does scum!us mark the player we wanted to lynch over GB?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

I obviously know you’re scum but this makes absolutely no sense. Why does scum!us mark the player we wanted to lynch over GB?

Why would I not mark you here?

That’s my point and I hope elements can see through the ridiculousness of this argument.

I lost to scum!Volpe in Baton Pass, because everyone figured that he would have killed Oversoul over Dann and we lost by mislynching Oversoul.

[Dancing Puppets]

You?

DP
-----
Chemist
___
Elements

Are probably my reads right now.
I'm fairly certain It's Elements, and if not, then i'll have to go with the two dead townies, since they both were right about Caesar.
I'm also town reading DP more than I am with Chemist. So for me, it's more of process of elimination decision.

@Osetr

hey buddy, could you at least unvote me so i'm not 1 vote away from a hammer? As DP said, we have a couple days to talk this out. And Chemist's eagerness to hammer me is a bit unnerving. Doesn't it at least make you suspicious how fast Elements voted for me, without having a case at first?

oof. Well it's probably Chemist then.

Damn Osetr, how was I more sus than Elements?

[Dancing Puppets]

vote count 1.12

GuiltyLion

(0) :

Chemist1422

(0) :

GeorgeBailey

(0) :

Osetr

(0) :

Dancing Puppets

(0) :

Elements

(1) : GeorgeBailey

DrDolittle

(4) : Chemist1422, Caesar Wills It, Dancing Puppets, DrDolittle

Caesar Wills It

(3) : GuiltyLion, Osetr, Elements

not voting:

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2019-10-22 08:00:00) or earlier automatically if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- quack

vote count 2.02

GuiltyLion

(0) :

Chemist1422

(0) :

GeorgeBailey

(0) :

Osetr

(0) :

Dancing Puppets

(0) :

Elements

(1) : Caesar Wills It

Caesar Wills It

(4) : Osetr, Elements, Dancing Puppets, GeorgeBailey

not voting:

GuiltyLion, Chemist1422

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2019-10-31 09:00:00) or earlier automatically if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- GuiltyLion is marked, and confirmed to be aligned with the town
- quack

vote count 3.03

Chemist1422

(0) :

GeorgeBailey

(3) : Osetr, Elements, Chemist1422

Osetr

(0) :

Dancing Puppets

(0) :

Elements

(1) : GeorgeBailey

not voting:

Dancing Puppets

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2019-11-06 06:00:00) or earlier automatically if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- Osetr is marked, and confirmed to be aligned with the town
- quack

[Dancing Puppets]

Hello and welcome to the game of WIFOM

I don’t envy your position, because this has to be hands down, the most insane LYLO ever.

All you can really do is follow the evidence, logic, VCs and the reads of others.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

Eventhough, I already know Chemist is scum, if this was a typical game and you weren’t IC, I would probably vote Chemist based on this.

Why? Because like as is clearly obvious to you, there really isn’t any logical basis for Chemist to think this. This conclusion just as logically applies to him equally if not more so.

I think he hammered because he didn’t want GB in LYLO. He was very clearly a mislynch by the time he got hammered. It was obvious to GL and that’s why I didn’t want to rush that vote.

[Dancing Puppets]

here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now

but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

I don't like how they tried to defuse pressure on Bailey so early. I don't see how Bailey could have towntold to them at all at the time of us voting/pressuring him so I feel the early defense is more likely scum trying to grab some early towncred pushing back on the popular scumread du jour. Townies should be willing to let other players sort and get reads on null/scummy slots.

@Elements this (referring to Caesar) is far more scum indicative than anything in DDL's entire ISO, especially now armed with hindsight that

Bailey towned up the slot

the main thing I'm going to think about before I come back is assuming that Caesar/Elements are

not

a team together, who is more likely to be scum in a vacuum

my heart says Caesar because of the way D1 went down and how his lynch stalled out, but the way Elements townread him on D1 just felt so improbable from town...

When you take all of this into account, Chemist hammering GB, marking you over me - really makes a lot of sense.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

Eventhough, I already know Chemist is scum, if this was a typical game and you weren’t IC, I would probably vote Chemist based on this.

Why? Because like as is clearly obvious to you, there really isn’t any logical basis for Chemist to think this. This conclusion just as logically applies to him equally if not more so.

I think he hammered because he didn’t want GB in LYLO. He was very clearly a mislynch by the time he got hammered. It was obvious to GL and that’s why I didn’t want to rush that vote.

Bold claim coming from someone who danced around giving a read on GB for all of yesterday

Dancing around? Hardly. You know damn well I only unvoted Titus’ vote on elements in order not to rush the lynch. I was never planning to vote GB unless elements flipped town but hey, nice misrep.

[Dancing Puppets]

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

Spoiler:

and I wanna townread it pls help

That’s because I actually am town here. I don’t know what the point of this is?

This isn’t a traditional LYLO so this reads as transparently fake to me.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

remember me saying elements can be scum?

yeah nevermind that, i've read pages 4 to 7 and he aint no scum

it's bailey followed by puppets

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Aight, well either Chemist, Puppets, or I gotta hammer here.
But I really want a response from Caesar first.
In my experience, lynching someone who doesn't interact much with the game (which is why i'm guessing most people are voting him) hasn't turned out well.

this is my entire case

if you want more, lol why, this post is enough

This is the

entirety

of your case? Are you actually going to bother to explain this or what?

Yeah no. Neither DDL or GL thought he was scum and you’re wrong on us, so not trusting your reads on shit.

But seriously, do you think GB’s ISO in general is scummy, other than that one post?

im not sring gb on just one post

it's just testing

but you getting so mad most likely makes you town

so you and chem are good to go imo

gb > elements

elements & ceejay were pushing caesar pretty darn hard, and caesar was pushing their slot a lot as well. thatd be such unnecessary bussing, it'd be pretty dumb imo

gb on the other hand was always reluctant to lynch caesar despite nullreading him

he also didnt try to save his top townread of DDL by voting caesar and isntead went on a random vanity wagon

I will ISO GB but I dunno, why do you think DDL and GL were tr him?

@Chemist, why GB over Elements?

here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

GL hardtown read GB. Does Lion have pretty decent reads in general?

@DP who are your top scum picks right now? Is it still Me/Ele?

Yeah, Chemist seems pretty townie except I’m leaning elements over you. I’m trying to decide if I agree on him being derp town.

You?

I only went against my hydra partner not to rush the vote, so I will out of respect to her have to put it back on elements but I would rather feel confident in either elements or GB, which I’m not rn.

but still leaning elements over GB, however it’s definitely not a confident read.

Alright Chemist, while it wasn’t a hard tr, never once did I indicate I had any intention of voting GB over elements. I realized that GB was looking townier and townier and I was hoping that by not rushing the vote, Osetr and you would both see that GB was unlikely to be scum over elements. That and I was obviously fooled by you. Had I any inkling you might actually be a deep wolf att, believe me, I would have been a helluva lot more adamant about it.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

I obviously know you’re scum but this makes absolutely no sense. Why does scum!us mark the player we wanted to lynch over GB?

Why would I not mark you here?

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

Eventhough, I already know Chemist is scum, if this was a typical game and you weren’t IC, I would probably vote Chemist based on this.

Why? Because like as is clearly obvious to you, there really isn’t any logical basis for Chemist to think this. This conclusion just as logically applies to him equally if not more so.

I think he hammered because he didn’t want GB in LYLO. He was very clearly a mislynch by the time he got hammered. It was obvious to GL and that’s why I didn’t want to rush that vote.

Bold claim coming from someone who danced around giving a read on GB for all of yesterday

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

{spoiler=]and I wanna townread it pls help[/spoiler}

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but

it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

Eventhough, I already know Chemist is scum, if this was a typical game and you weren’t IC, I would probably vote Chemist based on this.

Why? Because like as is clearly obvious to you, there really isn’t any logical basis for Chemist to think this. This conclusion just as logically applies to him equally if not more so.

I think he hammered because he didn’t want GB in LYLO. He was very clearly a mislynch by the time he got hammered. It was obvious to GL and that’s why I didn’t want to rush that vote.

Bold claim coming from someone who danced around giving a read on GB for all of yesterday

Dancing around? Hardly. You know damn well I only unvoted Titus’ vote on elements in order not to rush the lynch. I was never planning to vote GB unless elements flipped town but hey, nice misrep.

Show me where you have a read on GB then

@elements, I hope you can see exactly what Chemist is doing here?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

Spoiler:

and I wanna townread it pls help

Both of the comments are clearly fake. Neither comes from a genuinely town mindset. Why? Because he’s obviously fake sorting me and the statement he put in spoiler tags, proves it. I’m really flabbergasted that he thinks he can still find a way to spin this.

[Dancing Puppets]

right now I'd say I'm town reading chemist more

Why?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

Spoiler:

and I wanna townread it pls help

Both of the comments are clearly fake. Neither comes from a genuinely town mindset. Why? Because he’s obviously fake sorting me and the statement he put in spoiler tags, proves it. I’m really flabbergasted that he thinks he can still find a way to spin this.

I'm not fake sorting you

You're already confirmed scum to me

Well, I know that’s obviously reversed but why say things like you want to tr me then? It reads like a tmi slip.

[Dancing Puppets]

This is starting to look a bit like that MU game, where I got mislynched in LYLO for incorrectly tr scum, so that would really suck, for that to happen to me again.:/

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

Spoiler:

and I wanna townread it pls help

Both of the comments are clearly fake. Neither comes from a genuinely town mindset. Why? Because he’s obviously fake sorting me and the statement he put in spoiler tags, proves it. I’m really flabbergasted that he thinks he can still find a way to spin this.

I'm not fake sorting you

You're already confirmed scum to me

Well, I know that’s obviously reversed but why say things like you want to tr me then? It reads like a tmi slip.

How is it a TMI slip when I have literally full knowledge of your alignment no matter mine

It doesn't matter what I express as my read on you at this point really, unless it's directed at Elements trying to convince them

I know, that’s my point.

[Dancing Puppets]

right now I'd say I'm town reading chemist more

Why?

Posts 2 and 4 are copies of posts 1 and 3. Seems like they are designed to draw away from the genuinity of posts 1 and 3

numbers relate to this day phase only

No offense but this is really silly. There is absolutely nothing “genuine” about Chemist trying to frame me. The obvious difference is only one of us is actually telling the truth here and it isn’t Chemist.

Are you just going to ignore everything else that’s happened in the game and base your reads off Chemist tricking you with a couple of posts?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: DP

Well played I guess but it's pretty obvious you're the only one who would make that mark

DP’s only interactions with Caesar are pushing them for being unreadable due to a gimmick alt

Spoiler:

and I wanna townread it pls help

Both of the comments are clearly fake. Neither comes from a genuinely town mindset. Why? Because he’s obviously fake sorting me and the statement he put in spoiler tags, proves it. I’m really flabbergasted that he thinks he can still find a way to spin this.

@elements, please think. He basically admitted I was town and now he’s walking back on it. How are you even falling for that?

@Chemist you definitely made the right call not marking me. I would have never fallen for this.

[Dancing Puppets]

You?

DP
-----
Chemist
___
Elements

Are probably my reads right now.
I'm fairly certain It's Elements, and if not, then i'll have to go with the two dead townies, since they both were right about Caesar.

I'm also town reading DP more than I am with Chemist

. So for me, it's more of process of elimination decision.

@Osetr

hey buddy, could you at least unvote me so i'm not 1 vote away from a hammer? As DP said, we have a couple days to talk this out.

And Chemist's eagerness to hammer me is a bit unnerving

. Doesn't it at least make you suspicious how fast Elements voted for me, without having a case at first?

@Elements, don’t you think scum!me would have tried harder to veto GB lynch, considering he was never going to lynch me in LYLO?

Why doesn’t scum!me fight harder to save GB here? You’re just not thinking.

[Dancing Puppets]

right now I'd say I'm town reading chemist more

This was a lie. I just wanted to gauge your reactions.

You really had me wondering.

There is just no way scum!me doesn’t try harder to save GB and push for your lynch instead. That’s how you know I’m town here.

[Dancing Puppets]

You know. I think I'm ready to end this game. If you're scum DP well played.
HURT: chemist

I’m not. What is the point of the hurt tag?

[Dancing Puppets]

Okay I went back to page one to reread the whole game and remembered something important

Osetr had me as lock town, but DP has been pushing the angle that the dead townies' reads should be used to read me, but conveniently never mentions Osetr's read on me

He wasn’t dead at the time.

None of them - including Osetr ftr, were sr me

. And that was GB who posted that. I welcome you to try and deny that. I don’t even know what your point is anymore.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: chemist
This time you're actually hammered
gg

Technically no since DP hasn’t shown up

And you still have given no insight into your thought process here

VOTE: Chemist

Congrats, I never would have thought you’d be a deep wolf here.

This is why you don’t dismiss the reads of dead townies.

I already voted you. What?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: chenn

@mod

does that count

Okay, I’m not on any hallucinagenics, so I think not. Maybe Chemist is though?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: chemist
This time you're actually hammered
gg

So, it’s actually over? Good. I never ever want to be in a 2 person LYLO ever again.

[Dancing Puppets]

Yea, the games over

Titus was sick and I didn’t want to play solo, but then she decided to play anyway. I hope some people actually had fun here, I really didn’t.

Thanks for modding @duckling but I doubt I will ever play this particular setup ever again.

Oh and Duck, why did you stop doing the flavour recapping? That was brilliant.

[Dancing Puppets]

Who won?

We did.