Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

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First

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We have Dr. Drew, now all we need is Adam Carolla and we can remake love line

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Spoiler:

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well shit that didn’t work lol

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Careful. You haven’t bought me dinner yet.

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I said fu and go suck a D and now I can’t play newbies anymore. I was told by admins they are cracking down on it.

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Like if you are cursing at a player they can report you where as before they told you to stfu

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What about rvs makes you uncomfortable?

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Hey everyone.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

If he was actually playing I’d join this wagon.

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Why tho

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VOTE: shos

Not satisfied with that response

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Why not
Obv cult

It's highly unlikely that there is cult in this game.

It’s not likely at all actually considering it was announced in the signups there isn’t any.

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Scum actually have more of an incentive to try for cheap town reads.

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What about rvs makes you uncomfortable?

I already explained that. I almost got myself mislynched in the span of two hours in Necromancer because I flipped out over getting a couple of votes, so that understandably scared me off of it but I’m trying to overcome it because I was tired of continuously avoiding it.

Right. I got that. Why did you flip cause a couple of votes? That’s going to happen a lot

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Ah ok

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Starts real alignment indicative discussion instead of garbage

:scratches head: :looks confused:

I don’t see where you’ve had any such discussions.

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Though this post is mildly ironic

Don’t ya think? It’s like rain on your wedding day. A free ride when you already paid.

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I agree with amrun

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I’m thinking that both you and he are suspicious so far. That post flicker made definitely comes off as scum motivated. Town doesn’t need parlor tricks to get town read. Scum does however. The fact that you see it as townie is suspicious also. Hi claiming you’ve started discussion and trying to gain cred for that is also scummy.

That’s what I’m thinking

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Which part was sarcasm?

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Well 93 wasn’t going to be similar to what amrun said because I was giving my thoughts on the game. I agree with amrun’s post though. He’s obviously a better wordsmith than I am.

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Plus you asked why it’s scum motivated. I don’t see the town motivation for it either. So motivation aside, the act itself is scummy.

Anyone who ever has played with me knows I can’t determine motivation like others can. I view acts as either scummy or not scummy. I do try and ask myself why somebody would do something as town but I can almost never come up with an answer.

Why would town do something that looks bad and kinda stupid just for town cred? I don’t see why town feels they have to do things to ear town cred. You either earn it naturally or you don’t and if people don’t town read you, who cares.

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Also it’s incredibly easy to do things as scum that “scum wouldn’t do”. That’s why I’m usually amazing as scum and shitty as town.

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Didn’t irritate me at all.

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Why did you assume I’m irritated? What was the point of the time stamps?

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I just want to know how providing my thoughts and some follow up clarifications comes off as irritated?

My brain isn’t quick on its feet. It takes me time to process and I always think of more things I want to say after I already say it.

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I check the game thread 100 times a day. So you think I’m irritated cause I don’t play the same as you? That doesn’t make sense. Each of those posts added something to what we were discussing. Meanwhile I’m still waiting for one of yours to add something

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100 times a Day is actually low number for me tbh. I have this compulsiveness I can’t kick. That’s why every game I play usually has 200+ posts minimum

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I’m actually irritated you accused me of being irritated cause I wasn’t until you falsely accused me of it.

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So what you're saying is you revisit a thread you are the last one who posted, nothing changed, post, go away, check it again while knowing nothing has changed, and every time you have something to add?
also I'll respond to whatever I ignored in a sec

Yes except all of those posts added something to what was asked of me and how I responded. I already explained my brain doesn’t work like most people. I reread my posts and think of something else or see something that I think should be clarified better.

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97 was me realizing you asked me something I didn’t respond to.
97 was me adding something I realize I left off.

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98*

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So you can say 98 didn’t need to be made, I’ll even concede that cause that was a dumb self brag but you can’t say 97 didn’t need to. None of these posts show irritation though.

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[quote="In post 112, shos"]So what you're saying is there isn't scum motivation OR town motivation, therefore it is scummy?[/quotet]
That’s kind of twisting my words. What I’m saying is people can do scummy things even if there is no alignment motivation for it.

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Do you never ever ever have any townreads? huh??

Day 1? Very rarely.

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OK let's rewind.
Why is masterfish stating that he is townreading me a scummy thing to do?

Who is masterifsh?

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Also I don’t think I said anyone town reading you is scummy.

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Also I don’t think I said anyone town reading you is scummy.

Confirmed I didn’t. So if you’re confusing me with somebody else in another game you may need to get yourself together

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Now I’m trying to change my play so I won’t death tunnel you like how I used to which pissed people off but you’ve twisted my words and falsely accused me of two things that aren’t true so unless you somehow start towning it up or somebody does something scummier, I will be tunneling you. I’ll do so nicely and non toxic but at this point I can’t fathom a world where you do these things as town.

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Doesn’t matter. I didn’t say it about anyone so it’s still a false accusation

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Can’t even defend yourself? You falsely accuse me of something and I defend myself. I falsely accuse you of multiple things and you run away?

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I scum read flicker cause he did something in an attempt to get people to town read him. That’s scummy regardless of his motivation for it. I explained this already. My read on flicker has no bearing on his read on you.

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Why wasn’t this post accompanied by a flicker vote?

Cause I liked my shos vote better.

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So you think scum in a micro is going to sit back and not push anything?

Also he didn’t make a push. He voted me for something kind of lame.

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But even if that was a good push, this is the equivalent to a newbie game. I’m pretty sure scum make pushes in newbie games. As scum you have to do things that people won’t think scum would do. You have to act in a way that people will town read you.

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Idk if I’d call it a scum read but my vote on him was serious. The reason was I didn’t like his response to why he was pushing ethos and that was scummy to me.

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I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

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Ok thanks for sharing. I still don’t think there’s been enough to rule that out. Distancing/bussing stuff happens all the time. If either of them are town, I’d wish they start playing better.

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Ok I can sort of understand that.

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Anyone know what woerd means?

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Morning
I don't get you Robb
You for some reason claim that flickers post was done for towncred, I dunno why you say that, and you say you're not quite scumreading me and still like the vote, is this some new kind of gameplay that I missed?

1. He said he made it for towncred
2. Voting somebody you’re suspicious of isn’t new gameplay.

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Anyone know what woerd means?

Pretty clearly was a typo of weird
Why do you ask tho

Cause I wasn’t sure what he meant.

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Then Robb started acting up under the pressure, so I added pressure on top to see what happens. The result was a huge number of posts in varying times by Robb who I think is scum caught for the wrong reason.

I was under no pressure at all before you asked those questions and I made those three posts though. Those three posts were also not pressured postings. I was answering your questions. I haven’t felt pressured once.

1. Is answering questions being scummy some sort of new play style I’m unfamiliar with?

2. If you didn’t want me to answer them why did you ask me in the first place?


3. How is it you still haven’t defended yourself? I’ve accused you of falsely accusing me a couple of times and twisting my words and you’ve ignored it. An innocent man wouldn’t ignore that.

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Also I'm utterly confused as for why it seems I am universally scumread for pressuring Robb. I can't imagine a situation these three are all town.

Well to be fair you asked me questions. I answered them and by doing that you falsely accused me of something. 10/10 times that will come off as scummy. If you are actually town, sure there probably is scum taking advantage but there isn’t anything to suggest your play is town. Falsely accusing somebody of something because they answered your questions definitely doesn’t do you any favors. Neither does twisting my words.

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How does Penguin not have a post in over 2 days
Why can’t we prod the mod?

You can pm her.

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And again, you were a random pick to start up conversation, don't feel special. Enough reactions were provided by others so no reason to specially pick YOU

Share what information you learned please. Cause if you actually learned anything, you did nothing with it.

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1. Where? Flicker said that?
2. Suspicious of and scumreading is practically the same

1. yes she did. It was previously discussed even. You can actually read the game and find it yourself.
2. lol no it isn't.

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and re-reading flicker's post right now, I for a brief second thought maybe I misread it but then reading the conversation that follows, and how flicker didn't correct me I don't think i did.

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0. Acting up - as in, you acted like you were under pressure. That stream of posts gave me (and it appears gamma too) the feeling you were irritated.
1. What?
2. What?
3. I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. It may be because I'm phoneposting while at work. Please ask again or direct me to whatever I have not yet answered

0. well then both you and gamma are wrong. those three posts were directly responding to your questions. (96/97 responses to questions you asked me. The first part of 98 was relevant to the discussion, the 2nd part could have been left off but that's irrelevant at this point)
1. I answered your questions and by doing so you voted me implying I was irritated and that was scummy so is this some sort of new playstyle I am unfamiliar with? It's a simple question.
2. You basically voted me for answering your questions. So if you didn't want me to answer them, why did you ask?
3. Please don't use phone posting as an excuse. I play all my games primarily on my phone. I accused you of twisting my words and making 2 false accusations and immediately you decide to "go to bed"

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So far I learned that you are one of two cases - either trembling townie who may be mislynched like PMyst, or scum. If you are the first, and the pressure literally irritates you irl, I am sorry genuinely, but until I know any better, nothing suggests otherwise than the second.

Asking me what I've learned is a nice scum tactic, BTW. You lay the burden of proof on me, when you know town can never truly learn something, especially in D1.

1. I was never under any pressure and have not been the entire game. The only time I was truly irritated was when you said me answering your questions appeared like I was irriatted. That irriatted me because you are basicaly trying to twist me answering your questions as scummy.

2. you have played with me. I'd say based on memory alone, we have played more than 2/3 games together. everyone knows if you falsely accuse me of something, I am going to defend myself and get heated.

3. Asking what you learned isn't a scum tactic. when somebody uses a reaction test, they do so to help develop reads. I am asking you to explain what reads you got from your reaction test. That is an easy enough question. I don't appreciate you turning that back on me like I am the scummy one.

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Maybe Maybe it was just a joke and completely null. Maybe it was actually a reaction test and I could have gotten a town lean from that

This was the post I was talking about. I did just make a post saying I re-read it and I thought I may have misunderstood what he was saying but based on the conversation she had with power and the fact flicker never corrected me when I accused flicker of parlor tricks has me thinking my original read was right

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shos. Let's slow this down a bit ok.

How does me answering your questions, make me appear irritated?

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I’m thinking that both you and he are suspicious so far. That post flicker made definitely comes off as scum motivated. Town doesn’t need parlor tricks to get town read. Scum does however. The fact that you see it as townie is suspicious also. Hi claiming you’ve started discussion and trying to gain cred for that is also scummy.

That’s what I’m thinking

I honestly think this post rattled you and you retaliated by falsely accusing me of something and omgus voting me. Do you not like when people scum read you shos?

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The ONLY thing that bothered me there truly is your posts' timing, which to me suggests you were deep in the game by then, when there was literally nothing to be serious about yet.

I still don't understand this. What exactly is the problem with the timing? I mean to be completely transparent, I do other things while playing mafia. Sometimes I even play while sitting at a red light. So there will definitely be awkward gaps in my posts. I also explained sometimes I realize I missed something or felt something need clarification. In this case, I realized i didn't answer one of your questions which is why I made the 2nd post. The third was just a clarification of something I was saying. I am a huge fan of being as transparent as possible.

174: we have played before? Where?

No way I can pull up all the games on my phone but here is all my alts.

RobCapone
Beck
Derpy Hooves
Jake from State Farm
Riblet
WoodyWoodpecker
Chumba
TwoFace
Cedrick
Gustavo

And I don't see how that is what you get from it. Please explain further.

not sure how i can explain it anymore than I already have. At first read that was what I thought he was saying, I thought he was saying he was doing something so people would town read him.

61-63I felt was them discussing that issue.

If I misunderstood what she was saying (which it seems I may have) then I will apologize to flicker.

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I thought the fake L-1 was

shos

reaction testing the thread - my question wasn't a reaction test for him.

Also I'm a she, please and thank you.

Going back through the rest of the thread now.

ahh missed this post.

My apologies for misunderstanding your original posts. It does seems like I wasn't the only one so i don't feel as stupid.

Just so you know, scum do fake reaction tests, especially fake L-1s and Fake hammers. just keep that in mine going forward in mafia games.

I retract my scum read on you for now. I did try to search your games to see if anyone did a reaction test and couldn't find any. The only thing close was when you told somebody else that flavor's vote could have been one which kind of what you did here so for now I don't really see any issue with it, even if your conclusion I think is wrong.

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Yeah did I move my vote at all because I also noticed this, he’s looking quite hot and bothered rn

Shos sort of failed at it. Can you explain what about those makes it seem like I’m hot and bothered vs just answering the questions he asked?

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OK so I was really going to let this go but you just keep shoving it to my face. You quoted Gamma, but removed the part of the post where he quoted the timestamps of yer posts. something to hide? I'm gonna let gamma answer this one

Am I trying to hide the post you made already that has already been quoted once or twice? No. I felt no need to quote that post since it was irrelevant to me asking him why he felt that way. I’m sure he will remember your post and him responding to it. Grasping at straws much?

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full quote for the record.

Pretty sure nobody needed that time stamp posted again. I don’t think gamma needs it either as he could easily look at his own iso but thanks. I’m sure somebody may find that useful.

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Surely you aren't accusing me of going to bed prematurely,

I did it first. Come at me bro. You still haven’t defended yourself from my accusations. What’s your excuse now?

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I see a player playing oddly and I call it out.

I still don’t think you’ve properly explained why me responding to your questions is odd. What is odd is you getting aggressive after I call you out. Maybe you’re projecting you being irritated onto me? I mean very shortly after I say you are a scum read you make up some ludicrous accusation and vote me.

Who’s really the irritated one?

As I said before and I’ll say until the game is over. I didn’t get irritated nor did I have a reason to get irritated until you actually accused me of being irritated.believe it or not but you can’t even show where I was irritated.

Also you said I was already feeling pressure before that. Can you show me where that was? I don’t remember feeling pressured. Nobody was pressuring me. So can you show me where that happened please?

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And if you truly we’re tired and actually went to bed my apologies but to leave in the middle of A discussion and then not picking up in the morning is pretty suspect

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And cause you’re using the excuse of phone posting which I don’t actually buy, but for some reason I feel like being nice. Here is where you twisted what I said.

So what you're saying is there isn't scum motivation OR town motivation, therefore it is scummy?

The below are the false accusations you’ve made aside from the one where I was irritated. We’ve established that is false.

OK let's rewind.
Why is masterfish stating that he is townreading me a scummy thing to do?

I never said anyone town reading you is scummy

Then Robb started acting up under the pressure, so I added pressure on top to see what happens. The result was a huge number of posts in varying times by Robb who I think is scum caught for the wrong reason.

I never started acting up before you asked me a question. I never stated acting up after you added the extra pressure.

So please explain yourself

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And I’m nitpicking now but 3 isn’t a huge number. Not even close. Especially when all 3 were responding to YOUR question

All three are relevant with the third being less so. And yes I do sometimes post, go do stuff, read stuff, and post more stuff. Maybe if people were more active that wouldn’t happen. To misconstrue that as being irritated is just bad/scummy play

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You may think you have explained the irritation part but you didn’t in a way that anyone actually understands cause people still think you are scummy for it. You definitely haven’t defended the other false accusations you’ve made so sure I can stop posting for a while but if you’re going to keep posting while ignoring my request I can’t be quiet.

When you falsely accuse me of things, especially multiple things I don’t let it go. I’ll tell you post 155 that I quoted is a flat out lie. Like straight up no way you can prove it’s true lie. So I guess all I have to say is

Check

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Also I'm utterly confused as for why it seems I am universally scumread for pressuring Robb. I can't imagine a situation these three are all town.

I know I know. Stop posting.

Just think about this post. Then think about how I keep saying you haven’t explained yourself good enough.

Now I’ll stop

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I have my own thoughts on what you just posted, but I will hold those and let flicker speak.

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Yeah did I move my vote at all because I also noticed this, he’s looking quite hot and bothered rn

Shos sort of failed at it. Can you explain what about those makes it seem like I’m hot and bothered vs just answering the questions he asked?

The staggered timing bothered me but I feel like it’s less bothersome now, plus you’ve gotten better and shod has gotten worse
VOTE: shos

Why does the staggered timing bother you though? I honestly can’t imagine how logically anyone has an issue with that. What am I missing?

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Well there goes my idea.

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Last scum want to concede?

My gut says VOTE: amrun

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Actually the simplest answer imo is you are scum. Your stance on shos given his flip is really bad.

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Also I'm utterly confused as for why it seems I am universally scumread for pressuring Robb. I can't imagine a situation these three are all town.

I’m going with the assumption they all are and amrun somehow townread shos which boggles my mind.

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Flicker and shos could be town, shos could be scum and Flicker could be town, but I would be extremely shocked if they flipped scum together.

This plus voting flicker 1. Implies shos is a town read and 2. Is a great way to distance from shos.

I’d feel better lynching you first cause based on day 1 and shos actually being scum. With two scum you can’t really bus so you can only push an alternate narrative and distance.

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Amrun. You played with almost 50 before?

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On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much

Call me naive but I think this sounds more genuine than amrun’s post I quoted.

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Power is also newer and he had cast some suspicion on flicker. I don’t see him killing him if he’s scum.

I just don’t see evidence to suggest power is scum over amrun

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Little surprised Robb wasn't the NK, really a hard time believing it was a hard buss. With only one scum left I don't know why scum would get cute with the NK.

Cause typically I suck at mafia. Whoever is mafia knows this which also makes me think amrun.

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As for A50, I don’t have any completed games on this site since at least six years ago, and I can’t comment on ongoing games. Have YOU played with A50?

I think it does imply that even if you say it doesn’t. If you are scum of course you’d deny it.

I just think you make more sense especially if we’re talking you vs power.

Who else is scum if not power? You can’t sell me on power today. Sell me on somebody else.

As for if I’ve played with him. I honestly don’t remember. Name sounds familiar though. Why do you ask?

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I’ve played with him once in 2017 he replaces out.

I’ll let others decide but my gut says you. Let’s see if your play convinces me I’m wrong. Or somebody else convinces me I’m wrong.

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I’m not ruling out the hammer vote as scum especially since it was an unannounced hammer.

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Also Robb - why would I kill Flicker, as scum?

power was sheeping my espoused Flicker read, and so he wouldn’t kill Flicker, but me, the originator, would?

Your day one was pushing shos v flicker. Shos flipping scum means your contribution was wasted and you’d have to somehow adjust your read on flicker or have essentially flicker becoming conf town

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I saw it. It takes me a while to get through things on my mobile.

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Scum reading hammer of scum doesn’t warrant a scum read right now. You say you haven’t played in 6 years, hammers without claims have become a thing sometimes.

You’re all over the place amrun.

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This argument is so weird.

This is something I agree with. you started it though and it doesn’t look good for you.

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You started voting power and when it didn’t seem like anyone was interested you moved to Pyrrha.

You started it by attacking somebody who hammered scum. In this setup somebody off the wagon, pushing an alternate lynch is better imo. Pushing somebody who hammered scum because they didn’t ask for a claim and then ignoring his reason why is scummy at best, anti-town at worst.

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Looks like you’re just hoping something sticks to me.

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I’m pyrrah v amrun I like pyraah. He’s making much better arguments than amrun is and amrun is refusing to consider presented evidence to explain pyrrah’s motives. This means amrun doesn’t care about why he did it, just the fact he hammered scum is a scum tell which we all know it isn’t that simple. Town does this a lot. Tbh nothing shos could have claimed would have stopped me from wanting him lynched.

Claims are pointless anyway. Scum fake claim. You can’t give somebody a free pass just cause they claim a PR. If the play indicates scum you lynch it.

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So he did say shos was town. That means he lied earlier.

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I didn’t townread shos

Lie

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Yes, quickhammers much more frequently come from scum than town.

You haven’t played in 6 years by your own admission. This has changed and isn’t true anymore

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There are players who announce page 1 they will hammer anyone who gets to l-1 without waiting for a claim.

Nobody cares about claims anymore.

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Thanks for finding that post Pyrrha

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I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

This is literally you saying you town read shos.

So where is my reading comprehension wrong?

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I believe shos is town = I town read shos

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Edit: NO ITS NOT. ITS A LIST OF POSSIBILITIES THAT INCLUDE BOTH SHOS TOWN AND SHOS SCUM. I do not know how to make

Save your all caps. That isn’t you listing out possibilities. That’s you saying you think one person is scum and one is town. That means you town read him. Don’t yell at me again please. It’s obvious you town read him and yelling at me isn’t going to change my mind or change the past. Maybe that isn’t what you meant but it’s is what you said.

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Bottom line is. We aren’t lynching on the wagon today. We are lynching who looks best OFF the wagon. To me that’s you. You pick somebody else and drop pyrrah. It’s not happening

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You won’t even read what’s actually posted in game, so ok.

And you refuse to read evidence to support why he did what he did.

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I’m not arguing with my scum read anymore. We need others to step up

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P-edit 2: it’s a list of possibilities. It’s not stating one is true over the other because I didn’t know flicker’s alignment. It’s not rocket science.

Nobody knows alignment except scum.

I didn’t know shos’s alignment. I said I think he’s scum. That means I scum read him.

You claim you didn’t know shos’s alignment. You said you think he’s scum. That means you didn’t town read him

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

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You can’t parse my post? You want to criticize my reading comprehension. My post is very clear.

Basically I didn’t know shos’s alignment and I thought he was scum which means I scum read him.

So you saying you didn’t know his alignment and you saying you think he is town means you town read him. You’re arguing that’s false narrative which it can’t be and isn’t.

Just own up to the fact you said you thought he was town and be done with it. You’re caught in that lie already so may as well admit it.

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I didn’t say I think he is town. I

Except both me an Pyrrha quoted a post where you said you did

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I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

See? You say you think he’s town.

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Wrong game. You’re dead here.

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these last few pages suck and amrun never gets lynched today

You don’t get to say who does and doesn’t get lynched. He got caught in a lie. While I don’t get to say who gets lynched either, I’m basically the only clear and I think that should hold some weight.

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these last few pages suck and amrun never gets lynched today

You don’t get to say who does and doesn’t get lynched. He got caught in a lie. While I don’t get to say who gets lynched either, I’m basically the only clear and I think that should hold some weight.

you're right, I don't get to pick. I'm just trying to keep things realistic because I don't see a scenario where he hangs today. I'd like to understand why you think he was caught in a lie because it pretty clearly looks like he wasn't.

He says he thought shos was town d1
D2 he claims he beer said it.

The quote has been posted 3/4 times now. It’s very clear he says he townreads him. Him denying it today means he’s lying.

How do you not see this?

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Bad vote.

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We aren’t lynching on the wagon. That is one thing I will not allow today

[Robbnva]

We aren’t lynching on the wagon. That is one thing I will not allow today

You don’t get to say who does and doesn’t get lynched.

Trust me. You don’t want to anger me. Nobody on shos’s lynch is hanging today. TRUST ME you don’t want to anger me.

[Robbnva]

Lynching on a scum wagon is seriously the dumbest thing when there is two scum. Bussing day 1, is basically giving up winning. We really shouldn’t and I’ll fight it the entire way.

[Robbnva]

lynching on the d1 scum lynch wagon where there are only 2 scum is one of the worst ideas in mafia history. Not only that it’s suboptimal play. Day 2 you lynch the scummiest off the wagon cause they won’t be killed and they shouldn’t be around in possible lylo. Amrun needs to go before anyone on the wagon for town yo have a chance of winning. Lynching on the wagon helps mafia cause we’re killing near conf town players for them.

If y’all can’t see that then I will just prodge the rest of the game.

[Robbnva]

You all need to step away and calm down. We aren’t Lynching out of anger. We’re lynching using intelligence.

Pick somebody off the wagon.

[Robbnva]

Log in, Checks thread, Sees amrun isn’t being voted, logs out.

All this fighting is toxic.

[Robbnva]

I have no interest in this game now it’s become a toxic fest. If somebody wants to make a case for somebody else in an attempt to convince me I’ll listen but my gut really says amrun. I’m suspicious of gamma a little.

[Robbnva]

You’ve been part of the problem also. Now I know why people hated playing with me.

[Robbnva]

Pyrrah. You’ve been all over the place. Who do you really think is last scum and why?

I also realize that while that post I quoted from amrun said given the flip, the fact that he was voting flicker over amrun means out of the two he thought shos was townier. Idk how you guys play but when somebody compares two players trying to decide who is scimitar and who isn’t. The one he doesn’t vote becomes a town read by default until a flip happens.

So call it semantics or whatever, to me amrun lied. To me he tried to push an alternate lynch to scum and that almost always equals death after a scum flip.

I honestly don’t understand how people aren’t interested in an amrun lynch when their play d1 looks like buddy to shos.

[Robbnva]

Later today or maybe tomorrow I’ll look over power and anyone else not on the wagon.

[Robbnva]

Oh power is the only one. I can see why people would suspect power also. He tried to argue that shos would be too dumb to push that as scum. That could be a defense while distancing.

I want him to post more. A lot more.

[Robbnva]

I really am trying to be interested in this game and get past the emotional situation going on but being constantly painted as an aggressor when that couldn't be further from the truth is taking an emotional toll on me.

He’s requested replacement so can you tell me which one of amrun and power you want to lynch and why?

[Robbnva]

As long as it is one of the two then I’m fine with it I guess. Off the wagon is where I have a problem.

[Robbnva]

I’m going with the assumption they all are and amrun somehow townread shos which boggles my mind.

I mean this was like shortly after my vote. Him town reading shos was like main reason all along.

[Robbnva]

No, I never, ever townread shos. You are being belligerent about this.

Reading is fundamental

I also realize that while that post I quoted from amrun said given the flip, the fact that he was voting flicker over amrun means out of the two he thought shos was townier. Idk how you guys play but when somebody compares two players trying to decide who is scimitar and who isn’t. The one he doesn’t vote becomes a town read by default until a flip happens.

[Robbnva]

Obviously my post has typos but you get what I mean.

[Robbnva]

I think Amrun is really obviously town

how so?

[Robbnva]

Gamma is on my radar, him agreeing with Shos's reason is a huge red flag but would scum really basically sheep their partner's reasons?

I guess still don't understand.

[Robbnva]

Amrun is what it looks like when town is trying to get the game out of RVS,

can you show me? I just re-read amrun's beginning iso and I don't see what you are talking about. early posts look NAI.

A lot of the questions and the prods he's sent at people have mirrored my own thoughts as I've read through the game.

Which ones? How can we verify this since you didn't give your thoughts on the game

he seems genuinely interested in sorting Pyrrha

I didn't see attempts to sort though. What posts did I miss?

There's also #335 which I read as pretty genuine town frustration.

Why can't it be genuine scum frustration? How can you tell the difference?

[Robbnva]

I guess like... You're scum reading Amrun primarily because you believe he was town reading shos D1, correct? Let's say that's completely true, and he was hard town reading shos all D1.

Why doesn't Amrun as scum, seeing his buddy going down, try to set himself up to look better upon that red flip? Scum are generally hyper aware of their optics in the game, and town reading a doomed scum buddy is bad optics. Furthermore, claiming that he was never town reading shos D2 takes a complete lack of self awareness, when I think a scum!Amrun would have fully leaned into the "welp guess I got my read wrong!" if what you're saying is true.

he wasn't hard defending shos though. he is also denying up and down that he ever did town read shos. so this question doesn't really tie in with what happened in the game.

[Robbnva]

It's an easy way to fake a believable town read on your buddy. As you said before, bussing is probably not scum's #1 goal on D1 of a micro. Ideally, they want to establish each other as mutual town reads and cement themselves in a town core. It's only when the ship starts to go down that they would switch to bussing.

This is sort of what amrun did except he stayed off the wagon. Isn't this something scum could also do?

soft defend scum buddy, when ship is going town just sort of let the ship sink?

[Robbnva]

I'm guess I'm missing why you scum read him then

Can you summarize the reasons why for me?

he wasn't hard defending shos, but he was essentially calling shos town by his actions. he left the door open for him to say he was "wrong".

I think what solidified my read on him was when he denied he town read shos at all. IMO if you say one of town players is scum and you vote one player, this means you think the other is town. It may not be a strong town read but it is a town read. Amrun has denied having any sort of town read on shos which makes him look disingenuous.

at least own up to it that yes I thought he was town compared to flicker. he didn't do that and that raises red flags to me.

[Robbnva]

I am aware he could be town and was just wrong, but why deny that he thought shos was town?

[Robbnva]

I'd also like to point out a Flicker NK explicitly makes Amrun look very bad as he was pushing Flicker all of D1. Why does Amrun make that NK?

Could be wifom

[Robbnva]

I am aware he could be town and was just wrong, but why deny that he thought shos was town?

Because I didn’t think he was town

You thought one was town right?

[Robbnva]

@dann. If I did change my vote it would actually be gamma. He’s really pinging my gut. My brain and gut are basically fighting. Gamma would definitely leave me alive.

[Robbnva]

I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

Sigh.

This does not support you thinking both.

Why can’t people be honest.

[Robbnva]

I really hate you if you are town.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: gamma

[Robbnva]

honest.


Yes, it does.

I went to university for English and I have very good command of the English language.

I’m tempted to say something but I won’t.

[Robbnva]

That post doesn’t say both is an option for scum.
The post IMPLIES one is scum and one is town
By voting one, it IMPLIES you think the other is town.

You can play the semantics game all you want. I can’t read your mind, just your posts. You’re a straight up liar and if you’re town it’s something I can’t tolerate.

I’m done interacting with you. Cause you are scum or a town lying.

[Robbnva]

Whoever scum is. Had you left flicker alive I was taking that replace out as giving up.

[Robbnva]

Pyrrah seems town to me. Amrun while stubborn and lying, I guess makes more sense as town.

Power or gamma are who I’ll lynch and I haven’t seen anything from gamma that’s been useful

[Robbnva]

What about drew. I don’t actually have a read on him RN . What’s people’s thoughts on Drew?

[Robbnva]

It doesn't read to me like he's genuinely trying to get Pyrrha and Amrun to connect or come to an understanding, but lowkey trying to stoke the flames from the sidelines.

I agree with this

[Robbnva]

While I’d love to lynch off the wagon. I like gamma more for scum than power. So for me it’s amrun gamma power.

[Robbnva]

Gamma, can I get a reads list from you? Just basic who you think is town vs. scummy

I’d say my reads are like

Robb
Dann
-/-/-/-
Drew
-/-/-/-
eth0s
power
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
Amrun

With eth0s being around the null line

Why gamma. State your case

[Robbnva]

Obviously for amrun

[Robbnva]

Obviously for amrun

NKA, think she’s severely dodging the point you’re making about his Flicker+shos associative, and tied to the last point, it feels like she’s trying to distract from that by making it about the semantics still
But like, why do you ask me this when you were voting her not too long ago?

Cause I haven’t seen you scum hunt much or add anything and I’m voting you now so I want to see what you have to add. I don’t really like this response.

[Robbnva]

Oh, sorry, I was using the wrong pronoun for Amrun. Apologies

I feel like mass claims in micro's can be really devastating for scum, especially with a D1 scum lynch.

I'm gonna mull it over a little more

I’m against mass claims in general so let’s not go that route.

[Robbnva]

shit, I read it

[Robbnva]

he did his fair share of provoking

[Robbnva]

Even though I think lynching off the wagon is preferred. I am ok with a gamma lynch

[Robbnva]

I agree with ethos. Imo Not declaring l-1 as scum is pretty common tactic to get accidental hammers.

[Robbnva]

It’s been proven already what I want doesn’t matter. I don’t care who gets lynched anymore.

[Robbnva]

I want you lynched but that’s not happening. I think I prefer gamma but I still contend Lynching off is probably better statistically

[Robbnva]

If true that makes it interesting and probably easy.

[Robbnva]

I mean this is like a Hail Mary if scum.

So we lynch gamma. This game is basically won if we have three clears right now.

[Robbnva]

Well scum was on the wagon and the lynch was going to happen

[Robbnva]

Your play hasn’t been townie either.

[Robbnva]

If he’s fake claiming he isn’t winning. He did call you town near the start of the day out of the blue. So he’s legit or he decided to fake claim and clear you overnight. Which seems most likely?

[Robbnva]

So we going to lynch somebody?

[Robbnva]

Hope everyone had a great thanksgiving.

[Robbnva]

I don’t have anything to add

[Robbnva]

I am, there is a non town variety of the role?

Yes

[Robbnva]

Drew's waffling here is towny, but I don't think whatever he saw from Gamma makes Gamma town necessarily

Agree

[Robbnva]

I mean ethos is also somebody that needs to be looked at also.

[Robbnva]

Wish gamma would post. He has posted on site today.

[Robbnva]

Now we wait.

[Robbnva]

Well scum was on the wagon and the lynch was going to happen

Make up your mind lmfao

Well when the one guy off the wagon claimed tracker and cleared the other. My mind was forced to be made.

[Robbnva]

Well scum was on the wagon and the lynch was going to happen

Make up your mind lmfao

Well when the one guy off the wagon claimed tracker and cleared the other. My mind was forced to be made.

And you’re certain Power isn’t scum Tracker why?

Not certain but kind of paints himself into a corner.

[Robbnva]

Like power as scum doesn’t win the game.

[Robbnva]

Yes

[Robbnva]

The question is now do we lynch power to confirm it’s not a fake claim?

I’m fundamentally against mass claims.

[Robbnva]

post game I definitely have a question for somebody.

[Robbnva]

Mafia could have NKd also.

[Robbnva]

so we have 5:1 if my count is correct.

me/amrun - not getting lynched
power***

ethos/drew/dann are ???

I say since there was no kill, we leave power alone for now. If he is legit he is helpful as long as he is alive.

pyrrah/dan slot could be a good lynch. pyrrah created a lot of noise which was distracting from Shos.

[Robbnva]

then again, gamma/pyrah could have been real and ethos was the one kind of caught in the middle for some reason. I think I would actually feel more comfortable lynching ethos.

[Robbnva]

drew's lack of posts also concern me. as being here from the beginning his post count is too low.

jfc I have no idea. I can't tell the difference between scum and scummy people.

[Robbnva]

What do you have against a mass claim Robb?

I am the kind of person who likes to play the game as intended. mass claiming is akin to counting cards. It's not technically cheating but it is.

Last couple of years I have been playing off and on, on a site where you can't claim and tbh the play is usually better. More scum hunting. People can't rely on a claim or a fake claim to save them. I don't like when people try to break the game.

[Robbnva]

doctor gives me weird vibed because 1. low post count and 2. looks like he wanted to get off the shos wagon but didn't know how.

[Robbnva]

I mean I get why people like it, it's just something I don't do anymore. We can figure out claims the old fashioned way. Scum hunt, run up somebody, get a claim, decide what to do.

[Robbnva]

also I feel like if the tracker claim is fake, somebody would have come out already. I really hope this isn't an all vanilla setup.

[Robbnva]

Robb you realized you just claimed?

I'm VT. Was against massclaim but no NK is very weird and I bet massclaim will explain that.

I guess I did accidentally. Fml

[Robbnva]

Drew did you neighbor anyone?

[Robbnva]

Should have waited to claim roles until he outed his result

[Robbnva]

But Drew is still basically clear because a Mafia Multitasking Neighborizer and a Mafia Goon is way too weak against a 2-shot tracker and a BG

I don’t think so. If doc definitely but since bg dies, it’s not unbalanced

[Robbnva]

@mod: can you confirm that scum is not multitasking - even if scum is only scum alive?

I asked about the last mafia and the answer was no.

We need confirmation in case you are lying

[Robbnva]

It has to be within {eth0s, Robb, Dannflor}.

Uh. Why is my name in your list?

[Robbnva]

I'm trying to figure out what the likelihood of Robbnva hard bussing is. I can't find any games where he's done that before though so probably he's just town

I hate bussing. Definitely wouldn’t never be stupid enough to bus day 1 with 2 scum.

I’m clear

[Robbnva]

So scum could have multitasking role. We don’t know unfortunately

[Robbnva]

I'm trying to figure out what the likelihood of Robbnva hard bussing is. I can't find any games where he's done that before though so probably he's just town

This.

I don't like how he been acting in regards to me and my claim today. He thought power was going to track me so Robb didn't kill anyone so Power could get a result back that I didn't go anywhere (I didn't neighbor anyone last night), and Robb would push the wifom to ride off the distrust some of you had with me the end of D2.

I don't know how confident I am in my 'robb is scum' theory, but manipulating the trackers results is the only reason I can think of why they were kept alive and not roleblocked. So even if it isn't Robb, I think this is what scum did.

Unless Power is just lying and is scum.

Excuse me. How did I react to your claim today? Tbh I forgot you claimed. I also didn’t know who power would track. I am clear. Anyone who thinks I hard bussed and is WiFomg can go to heck

[Robbnva]

VOTE: drew

[Robbnva]

Game this small one of these claims is fake. Bodyguard is the only one that if legit is definitely town. Tracker or neighborizer can be scum.

[Robbnva]

Pre Edit 2: Robb, today you basically came right out of the gates sprinkling doubts about me. If what I say is correct about why Power was left alone, you would be the most likely to

I did that for everyone who wasn’t clear. You’re not clear.