Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: amrun who are you?

VOTE: ethos

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: amrun who are you?

VOTE: ethos

unvote me right this instant

Update you sig and I will think about it.

[Doctor Drew]

Done. Unvote me

now

Still not accurate, by we have bigger fish to fry.

Shos only town during the night, so today he is scum.....or versa...not something. Either way....

VOTE: shos

(You were a death miller....right?)

[Doctor Drew]

I said fu and go suck a D and now I can’t play newbies anymore. I was told by admins they are cracking down on it.

Must be a recent think, I have said much worse haha.

[Doctor Drew]

*recent thing

[Doctor Drew]

Y u so serious

...Drew and I just finished a cult bastard game... NVM. :Facepalm:

I mean come on....

He is more likely a jester.

[Doctor Drew]

My reads so far: getting a bit odd vibes from Shos and Flicker but I don’t really know if it means anything.

Why is shos giving you odd vibes?

Shos has been mainly stuck in RVS......explain this please.

[Doctor Drew]

Shos is really really trying hard to paint Robb as scum.

VOTE: Shos

[Doctor Drew]

Why wasn’t this post accompanied by a flicker vote?

Cause I liked my shos vote better.

My initial thought is Shos is scum for his pressure on you.

Starting to doubt myself though, don't see scum in a micro game putting themselves out like that.

Last game I played with him he was a bit more subdued as scum.

Vote stays for now, need nature to take its course.

[Doctor Drew]

But even if that was a good push, this is the equivalent to a newbie game. I’m pretty sure scum make pushes in newbie games. As scum you have to do things that people won’t think scum would do. You have to act in a way that people will town read you.

I get you, but Shos doesnt strike me as a player that can do this as scum. I feel they would be a bit more tepid about D1

At least wouldn't be as up front about it.

[Doctor Drew]

I really am getting strong town vibes from Robb.

[Doctor Drew]

1v1 Mafia: Robbvna vs Shos edition.

As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.

[Doctor Drew]

Just unvote works.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, why unvote Amrun?

[Doctor Drew]

As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.

Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?

I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.

But.

That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.

I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, why unvote Amrun?

It was an RVS vote, if I feel the need to I will vote him later if there is evidence.

Gotcha.

[Doctor Drew]

I have a town lean on Doctor Drew. It’s more likely town but not completely discounted as buddy.

Fair enough, tbf if I was his buddy I would have least put a little pressure on Robb(or more likely would have tried to get a competing wagon).

Little surprised Robb wasn't the NK, really a hard time believing it was a hard buss. With only one scum left I don't know why scum would get cute with the NK.

Also hate the hammer, is Nikos considered a solid player as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I have played a few games with A50, I have hard town read him when he was scum.....so there's that.

He does have a....'unique' playstyle at times.

[Doctor Drew]

Essentially, he can be a strong player that would worry scum.

But he also can be a wildcard.

I am pretty sure Gamma has experience with him as well.

I would like to hear from Gamma.

Pre Edit: Amrun, yes.....at least we should kick the tires on that theory.

[Doctor Drew]

My working idea is that scum is in gamma/pyrrha. town!gamma could have given scum!pyrrha a free pass to "accident hammer" for towncred by not declaring L-1. or scum!gamma could have not declared L-1 in hopes of a fast hammer to both end the day quickly and buy himself towncred. The former seems much more likely at a glance.

I like this.

I am going to hold off voting Gamma for a bit though.

Or Pyryha for that matter.

[Doctor Drew]

Amrun, on a side note.....can't believe I missed your sig.

The tigerpocalypse brings back memories haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Amrun, on a side note.....can't believe I missed your sig.

The tigerpocalypse brings back memories haha.

We remember.

Never Forget.

[Doctor Drew]

I really don't want to read the past couple pages, from skimming looks a bit toxic.

Someone wanna give me the gist?

[Doctor Drew]

Gamma is the one I am worried the most about, but not overly worried tbh.

I will have to look up power.

[Doctor Drew]

On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are

both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much

This is patently false. How did Robb ever provoke Shos? Shos was death tunneling him. For you to even suggest that Robb was equally responsible for their argument is seriously whack.

451 is kind of ick, I think. What’s pinging me, is it seems that power is equally blaming Robb for the 1v1, when It was abundantly clear it was Shos who had the lion’s share of the responsibility.

But .....451 is your post?

[Doctor Drew]

This game hasn't been fun, doing my best to stay motivated.

I may not get to this game tonight, but definitely tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

What about drew. I don’t actually have a read on him RN . What’s people’s thoughts on Drew?

Probably because I have been staying away from this game because of all the for realz arguing.

But I am back and going to do a little catch up later. I will say I would prefer to lynch people not on the Shos wagon today. And if we don't hit scum then kick the tires on Gamma.

And you don't have to worry about me, I am confirmable

[Doctor Drew]

What about drew. I don’t actually have a read on him RN . What’s people’s thoughts on Drew?

Probably because I have been staying away from this game because of all the for realz arguing.

But I am back and going to do a little catch up later. I will say I would prefer to lynch people not on the Shos wagon today. And if we don't hit scum then kick the tires on Gamma.

And you don't have to worry about me, I am confirmable

Is the arguing what's made the game unfun for you?

What makes you want to go off-wagon first? Who off-wagon would you like to lynch?

The arguing and my role being confirmable, part of the fun of the game is avoiding mislynch and now I don't even get to play that game lol.

Part of my catch up is figuring out who the most likely scum is in my said lynch pool (meaning the people off the Shos wagon).

[Doctor Drew]

How am I on the wrong side of null?

[Doctor Drew]

I like ethos for town.

Amrun probably as well.

Decent chance Dann has power lifted their slot as scum, to some people town reading them.......but that doesnt need to be sorted now.

Play it safe and lynch Power.

VOTE: Power

[Doctor Drew]

What is your read of gamma slot, Drew?

Still working that out......gonna be tough with them v/la.

But, lot of wifom with A50 being the NK.

Question to all, who has experience with Gamma?

At least recent experience.

[Doctor Drew]

Decent chance Dann has power lifted their slot as scum, to some people town reading them.......but that doesnt need to be sorted now.

Is this something I can address? As in, is there something specific I've done or said that you are paranoid about or have questions about? Or is this all about my predecessor?

I have been in the shoes of replacing into a scum slot and really, over the top, obv towning it.

I have no experience with you, so I don't know if your play here is just par for the course.

'Decent Chance's was probably too strong. I just don't want people to forget the slot you replaced into

[Doctor Drew]

Just drunk checking in, happy Thanksgiving to those in the states and just a general thanks to all in this game, the mod, and any who are watching.

We all argue and fight in game, but I generally am thankfull for this site and all the people I have interacted with. Never let anybody tell you that you don't fucking rock.

Stay metal everyone.

[Doctor Drew]

I will probably be snowed in tomorrow, so I am sure I will make some time for this.

[Doctor Drew]

Luckily I have the advantage of being an absolute moron so I can see why it was scummy even if you don't.

Plus it's just bad form. Why act like declaring L-1 is so difficult or has any drawbacks?

:THONK:
Like you just admitted calling that scummy is moronic, okay
But to explain, I could have declared L-1 but unless you aren’t fucking reading the game at all you’ll see the VC showing shos at L-2, add my vote and realize that’s L-1.
And like this has been brought up multiple times although it’s actually really fucking questionable as a point against me? Like why the fuck to I set that up to happen?
Also I see power claimed Tracker: who are we clearing atm? Amrun prolly makes sense so UNVOTE: but Tracker could be a fake claim or a scum claiming their real role so if we’re clearing power now that’s ehhhh
Also I’m VT and was neighbored by Drew N1

Gamma already claimed.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm pretty sure power has to be town at this point and I'll guard that read pretty closely

Agree.

I think this game just became pretty easy TBH.

Though not sure I like dr drew calling himself confirmed for being neighborizer? But still. I am quite hopeful we end this here.

Huh?

[Doctor Drew]

I am, there is a non town variety of the role?

[Doctor Drew]

Well with this info, don't hammer yet.

In our PT Gamma may have town slipped.

Busy right now, but in a bit will explain.

[Doctor Drew]

Basically Gamma asked if I had any modifiers, which I don't.
Said he might not trust me, then assumed I didn't wasn't the neighborhood confirmed when he would role claim, which I vehemently disagreed with since I thought it confirms me as town.

Also he never really pushed me to defend him.

I don't see scum Gamma acting this was......I was starting to get an impression he didn't trust me and now I think he is scummy vibes from me.

I would not agree with a Gamma lynch.

[Doctor Drew]

I would go back to power.....though power questioning if a role can be scum alingned is oddly familiar lol.

Though the timing is suspect.

[Doctor Drew]

Tbf, I don't have a strong read either way. Thought my role made me conftown, and tbh thought I was obvtown after D1(can go into details if you wish).

All of that considered, it was tonight for me to study the game(plus busy irl stuff blah blah).

Thinking about it more, scum tracker seems borderline bastardy, and Gamma messing with my head is definitely in the realm of possibility (I have an impression that he doesn't think I am the strongest player).

And for whoever asked, I neighbored Gamma simply because I have the most experience with him. In a 1on1 setting I figured I could get the best read on him.

[Doctor Drew]

It was tonight = it was tough

[Doctor Drew]

Also the fact you never said confirmable as town concerns me following that

Oh come on........you are reaching now.

If someone says confirmable, they are talking town.

Pre Edit: Yes......you could have. I was giving you the option, and the longer you didn't confirm was telling.

I wasn't worried about my own well being here, I was wondering how long it would take you to confirm me.

[Doctor Drew]

And, the wiki only mentions a masonizer.......nothing about any scum sided neighborizer.

Thanks for not calling me a noob lol, but I have never in any game I have played have seen a scum neighborizer......plus that sounds bastardy.

[Doctor Drew]

Was he actually hammered?

[Doctor Drew]

if there is a tonight
I'll track in drew/ethos
unless anyone objects
actually drew would be better I could confirm his neighborizer and check if he kills

Normally I would be against announcing night actions.

But this works on a few levels.....tracking me I mean.

The only wrench is a roleblocker.

[Doctor Drew]

What do you have against a mass claim Robb?

[Doctor Drew]

Huh, if there is a non-multitasking scum roleblocker it's possible they chose to block power's track instead of kill last night. Though not sure why they wouldn't just kill power?

I'm assuming Drew is just a neighborizer?

Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.

But ya, seems weird they wouldn't kill him.

I am going to wait for Power's results before I propose my theory.

[Doctor Drew]

Remember Dann, I neighbored Gamma N1 and there was also a kill N1. If power was roleblocked, and you think it makes me scummy, you are not only saying that scum is multitasking(which would make no sense with lack of a NK here) but that I as scum would have 3 multitasking options.

Does that seen feasible?

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Does that seem.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm trying to figure out what the likelihood of Robbnva hard bussing is. I can't find any games where he's done that before though so probably he's just town

This.

I don't like how he been acting in regards to me and my claim today. He thought power was going to track me so Robb didn't kill anyone so Power could get a result back that I didn't go anywhere (I didn't neighbor anyone last night), and Robb would push the wifom to ride off the distrust some of you had with me the end of D2.

I don't know how confident I am in my 'robb is scum' theory, but manipulating the trackers results is the only reason I can think of why they were kept alive and not roleblocked. So even if it isn't Robb, I think this is what scum did.

Unless Power is just lying and is scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: That was a little run on sentency.

Scum wanted to manipulate the tracker result to implicate me and Robb seems the most likely at this point to do it.

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't want to mess with tracker results.

If I tried neighboring you, you were NKed, Power tracks me, I then get mislynched. Just as an example(something very similar to that happened to me in a previous game).

Pre Edit: There are lots of moving parts to my theory, that's why I am not going to call Robb obvscum. Just his posts today have made me scratch my chin about him.

Pre Edit 2: Robb, today you basically came right out of the gates sprinkling doubts about me. If what I say is correct about why Power was left alone, you would be the most likely to be behind it.

[Doctor Drew]

Listen, I probably overthought not neighboring anybody. I was more worried about being framed then being cleared.

Probably being too tinfoily about Robb, still not completely ok with him. And thinking about it, probably not much weight to my theory, it was more about Rob.

Logically thinking, it does look bad for ethos.

Much of Gammas suspicions, I believe, was he couldn't believe I didn't know non town neighborizers exist. He voiced concerns in our PT, which was heavily confused me before I knew this.

[Doctor Drew]

Not using role cause afraid of tracker makes no sense.

It was made public who Power was probably going to track. Plus, me neighboring someone doesn't hard clear me. People already threw out the idea I could be scum neighborizer.

In my head, the risk didn't outweigh the reward.

And I wasn't afraid of the tracker, afraid if scum manipulating the tracker.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, you didn't answer how scum would know that you wouldn't be neighborizing tonight. They probably would've assumed that you would?

How would they have tried to frame you with that in mind then?

I thought about it more and I was stretching with that.

Amrun, going into the night I was probably going to be tracked. I assumed scum would fire off a NK and hope it would be the person I would neighbor. Than from a trackers perspective, I would have been the person doing the kill.

Like I said, a similar situation as that happened to me recently and it cost town the game. I didn't the the benefit of neighboring.

Now we see there was no NK, and assumigly no roleblock it makes ethos look like the guilty one since he was the only other person mentioned to be a tracking target.

[Doctor Drew]

And with that.

VOTE: ethos

[Doctor Drew]

I got too trigger happy thinking I caught Robb ok. It is fun when you think you have scum and I got a bit overzealous with my theory.

As I let in sink in I realized it would be pretty crazy if my theory was correct and I am doing a mea culpa and taking my own advice of sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer.

[Doctor Drew]

Trying to wrap my head around the almost kill. Out of the possible lynch pool. Drew has the most experience with almost. One game, it got ended cause the mod left the site, almost supposedly had the whole scum team. Another game Almost helped lynch drew who was cult.

The only reason I can see to kill Almost is a. You’re afraid of him or b. For the lulz.

Gamma mentioned in our PT that he and A50 had a long history with each other. And mentioned that the NK of A50 might implicate Pyrrah or Robb since they are the ones he remembered having experience with him.

And fwiw, I have had a history of not being able to read A50, but I wouldn't worry about that as scum. The cult game you mentioned, if it's the one I am thinking about, he didn't have much to do with my lynch.

As scum, my preferred lynch would have been who I thought was the most obvtown at that point.......you, Robb.

[Doctor Drew]

As scum, my preferred lynch would have been who I thought was the most obvtown at that point.......you, Robb.

Like the shade you cast at me earlier...

I meant preferred NK......I was referring to N1.

[Doctor Drew]

Simplest explanation is that the threat of being tracker scared off scum, so either myself or ethos. From my pov that only leaves ethos as scum.

Do you have a better idea besides keeping your vote on me?

I could go put my tinfoil hat back on and vote you if you would like.

[Doctor Drew]

but scum could have tried to kill tracker and not worried about it

you could have neighborized anyone you wanted but didn't and the reason why is seriously the worst. We know you are legit neighborizer cause Gamma confirmed. So if you happened to neighbor the person who died, how can the tracker manipulate that?

If I tried to neighbor you, and scum kills you, all the tracker knows is I visited you and now you are dead.

Why do I have to keep explaining it?

And maybe scum picked up on Danns breadcrumb and played it safe. Maybe he is lying and is scum. I don't have an answer for you.

And what are you talking about 'I would claim 1 shot'?

And now you are asking about a ninja. I have quite the powerful scum role I guess. Oh, i am also bulletproof and lynch proof.....so good luck town.

Ya, that makes much more sense then I am just town neighborizer.

[Doctor Drew]

What is my motivation for no killing over killing power?

Sorry I wasn't making a real suggestion that you were lying. Just making a point that there is nothing I know about the perceived lack of scum night actions.

[Doctor Drew]

Let me take a step back.

You don't think there is a chance it is ethos?

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't like the tone of Ethos' last post, seemed a bit defeatist and I felt he was trying to buddy me a bit tbh.

Him begging for me not to be lynched and parroting my framing theory.

The wifom in making a 'lynch me if you must' post always seems so contrived. If you are actually town, scratch and claw to get your point across.

[Doctor Drew]

It really does make sense, there really is no way Power could have killed someone last night without implicating himself.

VOTE: power

And yes, if we are wrong I will neighbor someone.

[Doctor Drew]

Power is at L-1, and is nowhere to be found.

Not sure what to do with that info, have they even been online recently?

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck fuck.

Was going to neighbor Amrun, but thought she would be the NK and switched to Rob.

Between Dann and Ethos.

Robb made a good point that tracker/neighborizer/bodyguard is town sided.

Dann also was key in getting us to lynch the tracker.

Not voting till everyone is around, but I think it is Dann.

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't fully believe his claim, meaning the conf town would be likely target.

And Dann is going to come in here and say he protected Amrun.

Robb is correct, there can't be this setup of town PRs(unless scum does have some sort of crazy modifiers).

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't fully believe his claim, meaning the conf town would be likely target.

And Dann is going to come in here and say he protected Amrun.

If the conf town dies... I have to explain why I didn't target her.

Whether you believe my claim or not, it makes more sense to neighborhood Amrun. Because if she died, I'm probably guilty.

That is a good point tbh.

Well I am bad at playing Neighborizer, we learned that this game. I almost just want to be lynched as policy and punishment heh.

But, we are also in a position to win.

I am going to defer to Amrun.

Pre Edit: You are correct, I overthought things and played dumb. I initially was bored with this game because I thought I was clearly confirmed town. I honestly did not know there are non town variants of neighborizers. When this info was presented, paranoia got the best of me(involving muddying the tracker results, and in result causing a false guilty).

And I didn't think things through with last night. I was truly buying Danns claim, and again paranoia, though they would kill you(Amrun) to set me up.

I played poorly as neighborizer, but look at my play before I realized I wasn't confirmed town.

I rode the Shos wagon early (scum drew at least makes an effort to start a counter wagon), and I tried to save Gamma when I realized the reasons he was doubting my claim. Why would I try to prevent a mislynch? Yes, town cred.....but I divulged info no one even knew existed to do so.

Bleh, I am getting too stream of consciousness here. It ain't me, but I guess I understand why you think so.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, if you are actually town, you need to consider eth0s because I am not scum.

I am leaning that way tbh.

I either think you are brilliant scum(bravo if that is the case), or more likely are telling the truth. Like you said it would be difficult to weasel your way out of your claim.

Gut and emotions say it is Ethos.

But Dann, indulge me here, why are you nervous?

[Doctor Drew]

Robb made a good point that tracker/neighborizer/bodyguard is town sided.

Dann also was key in getting us to lynch the tracker.

Not voting till everyone is around, but I think it is Dann.

Drew, if you are actually town, you need to consider eth0s because I am not scum.

I am leaning that way tbh.

I either think you are brilliant scum(bravo if that is the case), or more likely are telling the truth. Like you said it would be difficult to weasel your way out of your claim.

Gut and emotions say it is Ethos.

But Dann, indulge me here, why are you nervous?

Drew please explain how your reads developed this way. You basically also said you'll sheep amrun (who stated you as a lynch pref followed by dann), yet you're saying I'm scum now? Why shouldn't I read this as flailing?

It is either you or Dann.

This is me trying to figure out who. Simple as that.

[Doctor Drew]

I know it's early to bring this up but I'm going to anyway.

Isn't no lynch 100% the right choice here?

Please, don't give me your thought process on this, don't tell me why, why not, any of that.

"Yes." "No." "Maybe, but not yet."

Those are the only answers I want.

Yes

Yes.

[Doctor Drew]

I mentioned it earlier, I would never hard buss D1 with only one other scum without at least trying to get another wagon going.

Tbf, I will buss if necessary, but with only one other scum it is a last resort.

Also, look up my scum/cult games(I tend to role cult recruiter alot lol), I am much better as scum then town.

Go ask hectic if you need proof.

[Doctor Drew]

That's what I'm saying though. Your voting him didn't necessarily have to be a bus, it could have been a distance vote gone bad from the quickhammer.

What?

[Doctor Drew]

That's what I'm saying though. Your voting him didn't necessarily have to be a bus, it could have been a distance vote gone bad from the quickhammer.

What?

Wrong game?

[Doctor Drew]

You really need to be more clear what you are talking about.

And yes, I took into consideration both sides of the argument. And when I did this it still came back as Shos as scum.

I never waffled.

[Doctor Drew]

Ethos, you are really entering my level of tin foilery here.

[Doctor Drew]

This game has come to a screeching halt.

Are we deciding on a lynch or are we no lynching?

[Doctor Drew]

Well I think we no lynch.

As far as who is scum, from most logical angles it has got to be Ethos.

Ethos bringing up the ninja Amrun conspiracy theory is interesting, but one of those things that if that is the case then I will just shake her hand and say GG.

Basically there alot of scenarios that could point to all of us as scum, but as I have been saying, the simplest scenario is most likely the correct scenario.

[Doctor Drew]

This is disheartening. I wish it were surprising but somehow I almost always manage to become the gut scumread from the scummiest slots in late game.

Like if I'm scum then you're either saying I'm a goon or did not commit an action the night that power said he was tracking me, which just doesn't make any fucking sense.

What?

It makes perfect sense for you not to kill when the tracker said he might track you.

[Doctor Drew]

I am with Amrun, whichever one of you is scum is annoying lol.

I can't neighbor if I already have a neighbor. So scum would probably NK tonight(keeping the framing of me as a possibility).

But I still feel no lynch is best again, I guess?

[Doctor Drew]

Insert a gif from Groundhogs Day here.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry busy at work, trying to keep up but won't be around for at least a few hours.

[Doctor Drew]

Quick check in.

Dann has the most to lose as scum performing a Night Kill. The only chance scumDann has is to do just what is happening. Don't kill anyone at night and hope he can convince Amrun to misslynch ethos or myself.

[Doctor Drew]

The just if my scum play is that if I appear scummy, then I am probably town.....I mentioned it before but go ask Hectic about that.

I was waffling because I didn't, and still dont, know for sure who is scum and was posting my thoughts as they came to me. As you can imagine, stream of consciousness is generally all over the place.

And scumDrew, and I can only assume scumEthos tries to kill Amrun.....with the consolation prize being the bodyguard. Not attempting the kill on Amrun, whether via no kill or by killing someone else seriously implicates you Dann.

And I thought I was pretty clear. I think you are scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Talk about what?

[Doctor Drew]

Talk about what?

do you wanna talk more about why you think I'm scum?

Does it purely have to do with mechanics or do you find things in my play to scum read as well

Mainly mechanical.

I just can't see scumEthos not attempting to kill Amrun.

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry, forgot you asked for it.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81377

It is a cult game, but more or less scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh, and not an alt per se. Used to have a different account here years ago, FuDuzn. When I came back I wanted to start fresh with a new name.

[Doctor Drew]

I think the only time I rolled scum on this account was my first game back, a newbie game.

[Doctor Drew]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80024

There you go.....also, I tend to role cult alot haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes Amrun, I remember you from back in the day...... i also remember the tigers haha.

Because scumEthos (and scumDrew for that matter), would want Amrun dead first, and the Bodyguard dead as a consultation.

Obviously scumDann can't do that because that just outs him.

[Doctor Drew]

I think I am ready for everyone to vote.

No more dancing around it.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew do you think there is any world in which I am town

Sure.

But in a majority of the worlds, you are scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Astrophysics humor amirite.

[Doctor Drew]

Dann, everything you are doing right now is trying to distract from the (basically)fact that you would be the only one who would no kill constantly as scum.

Sorry, won't play your game

[Doctor Drew]

EVEN if it was true logically

the first time there was a no kill both you and eth0s went on about how it was probably a frame job

using your own logic, why couldn't say, eth0s, be no killing to frame me since I'm "the only one who would constantly no kill"

^ I don't actually believe that's true just trying to appeal to your logic here

Less town there is, easier scum victory.

Either ethos or I as scum would want to eliminate a town variable(either Dann or Amrun.......if Dann is bodyguard, would be Dann assuming you protected Amrun). Then would be Amrun choosing between us for the game.

Dann as scum can't kill Amrun, clearly outs Dann as scum. Dann kill Ethos/Drew, gives Amrun the choice of choosing between Dann and Ethos/Drew........this is where it mechanically and logically falls apart. Ethos/Drew as scum tries to kill confirmed town or confirmed PR. Any scenario where Dann kills he is scummy.

YOU PAINTED YOURSELF INTO A CORNER.

[Doctor Drew]

How about responding to the actual content then on opinions of mafia theory?

[Doctor Drew]

And may I remind the court, you used logic to explain why we should lynch the tracker(which I did agree with btw).

You are clearly a numbers and logic guy.

Logically you can't kill, like I said.....painted yourself into a corner and just hope that town eats their young.

[Doctor Drew]

Gun to your head......who would you vote?

Directed at Dann, if not obvious lol.

[Doctor Drew]

you

Let's fucking do this then.

[Doctor Drew]

alrighty then

VOTE: Drew

Finally strapped on your big boy jeans I see.

[Doctor Drew]

You really think, in all honesty, that the final scum is a neighborizer (who is at least 2 shot mind you) and can kill in the same night as neighborizing.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: dann

[Doctor Drew]

I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say with that iso Ethos.

Also, if you care to. Skim that whole game, you will notice vast difference to me in that game versus me in this game.

Post Edit: I did not buss in that game, fairyprincess was replaced.

[Doctor Drew]

It was convenient to keep my vote on Fairy, with every intention to take it off once a replacement came in.

Here, I was early on Shos and never made any real attempt to make a counter wagon it even seriously consider switching to Robb.

So yes there are similarities, I had a vote on scum in D1. That's it....they were both under wildly different scenarios.

But please, continue to not read the rest of the game where I basically coasted as scum and was only caught because of mechanics.

Then compare that to my play here.

Or just cherry pick some random quotes to fit your narrative that you have already decided on.

Amrun, tell me in the hood when a lynch if someone happens.

[Doctor Drew]

Bit of autocorrect, but I meant if I was scum with Shos I never even attempted a counter wagon or made any really effort to consider voting for Robb.

On that topic, I was not only pretty early to vote Shos.....but to call Robb probtown.

Would scum be so decisive like this? Unless I am super hard bussing(which I think I said, maybe in a large game with multiple scum.....but with only two, no chance).

Goddamit Ethos.....stop acting scummy.

I need to sleep on this.

[Doctor Drew]

There is nothing similar to my scum game I question and my play here. He is cherry picking quotes to fit an agenda, and even those are a stretch.

And ya, looking back most people were with Robb. scumDrew definitely wouldn't try to get Robb lynched......but scumDrew had an opportunity to push someone else, even if superficially.

It was basically Shos v Robb, I brought up this fact...... scumDrew builds on that to showcase someone else who is 'acting scummy' so that depending on what happens with Shos v Robb we have this to look at.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, upon a curosory skimming comparison of this game's ISO and your ISO from the game eth0s linked, I don't see too many major differences

I'm not like, "wow this is coasting drew" versus "this is efforting drew." I feel like I see the same amount of effort across games

Huh?

I never had to worry about anything until it was mechanically clear I was scum. I was cool calm and collected and floated under the radar up until that point, and my play mirrored that as such.

How is that the same as here?

[Doctor Drew]

Can you explain what specific points you view as different in your play here?

Jesus.

Fucking read that game and read this game.

I gotta work early tomorrow, I am done with this game.

Not scum, my vote stays, use logic......congrats to scum if they win.

[Doctor Drew]

amrun im dying of anticipation

At least we can agree on one thing

[Doctor Drew]

yknow

I really feel like I've

tried

to get to a space where I can agree with you or at the very least see where you're coming from

either my approach has been wrong or more probably you are just scum

Have you read my scum game?

[Doctor Drew]

I've read your ISO from that game, I can't say I've read the whole game no

same but I did read the first 5 pages of the game. I still think Drew is scum.

Gotcha.

Made an opinion reading 5 pages of a game(and didn't even get to the point that the replacement entered the game) that had....

*Checks notes*

51 pages.

If you are going to use meta, which you even said you dislike using, actually use it.

[Doctor Drew]

Dann, I will say that Mechanically I still think you are scum.

But from a gameplay perspective Ehtos is much scummier.

This may be my least favorite game ever on here. I think Amrun and I need to have a serious discussion.

[Doctor Drew]

I prefer cult.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't have anything to add, kind of prod dodging.

Patiently waiting.

[Doctor Drew]

Ethos, seriously stop.

You are blatantly lying about me giving you my scum games.

[Doctor Drew]

Busy at work so no. Trying to at least follow along but ethos Blatant misrep got under my skin.

Sorry.

[Doctor Drew]

Honestly Dann, Ethos' misrepping of me when he was asking for my scum games combined with him cherry picking quotes to fit his agenda has me thinking I was too hung up on the mechanical thing with you.

Amrun asked a simple question (I believe it was in our hood, maybe here) when I brought up that ethos would have night killed......I was hung on that I would have killed, and mechanically Dann is scum, so definitely ethos would have killed(made sense to me at the time lol).

UNVOTE: unvote

I think I was starting to let emotions get the best of me with everything this last couple days and just wanted to be done with this game one way or another. But you have pulled me back in, and I have to reexamine ethos yet again.

Oh and ethos, I did forget I had a more recent scum game I will link for you. Feel free to cherry pick more quotes to fit your agenda. Spoiler as well, I was voting my scum partner most of the game.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, double unvote.....I am on fire this game.

[Doctor Drew]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81029

Here you are. It is a lovers game(confused it with another cult game, that's why I only remembered my newbie game as scum).

Sorry you really had to pull teeth for me to link to it.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't hard buss. In both those scum games I voted my low activity partner for one scummy thing they did, with a hope they would be replaced.

The lover game specifically no one scum read my partner so they weren't being lynched anyways.....I was the one with more heat(I was thinking that if I was lynched there would be some town credibility for my partner).

ScumDrew doesn't buss like how D1 went. I would have had ample opportunity to at least pursue another wagon. Hell, I probably would have tried to get them to focus on others rather then themselves because I know Robb is going to win a death tunnel battle.

[Doctor Drew]

Who do you think would've been a viable wagon to counter shos D1?

Dunno......I am not scum so that wasn't my mindset.

[Doctor Drew]

This game really is going to be a draw isn't it?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew I think your avatar makes me want to scum read you

the man looks shifty

DONT YOU DARE TALK SHIT ABOUT BOARD CERTIFIED PHYSICIAN, AND HOST OF THREE SUCCESSFUL PODCASTS AND LOVELINE, DR. DAVID 'DREW' PINSKY!

[Doctor Drew]

If I could get tin foiley for a moment.

I don't disagree with basically anything you just laid out.....but did you just do this meta deep dive now or have you been sitting on it for awhile?

[Doctor Drew]

I did it just now

or by just now over the course of the last 2 or so hours

Fair enough.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, are you an alt.....or do you have alts?

[Doctor Drew]

Why do you ask?

I just don't recognize your account.

Thought I would have some experience with you judging by the join date.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: ethos

[Doctor Drew]

I am disappointment in my play this game. I never knew scum neighborizer was a thing until this game, so I was losing interest D2 because I hate being conf town so early on.

Wasn't until Gamma was about to be mislynched that I actually had to play and I was all out of sorts...... apologies to Gamma.

Everyone else played so well that it made endgame so difficult. Big ups to Amrun for trusting in me and putting it all together.