Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Robb
*poke*

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Just read your sig, that’s good to know actually, but what is the swearing thing about?

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I said fu and go suck a D and now I can’t play newbies anymore. I was told by admins they are cracking down on it.

Didn’t know they were doing that
I feel like I would have gotten word because I sometimes drop an F bomb or two

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Amrun very try hard rn

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I'm reading you all and like, my face be liek 'wutttttt'

guys come on vote eth0s

Why tho

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Y u so serious

...Drew and I just finished a cult bastard game... NVM. :Facepalm:

You were asking for more votes, I assumed you had a serious reason for it

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> tries to push RVS wagon
> claims to have broken RVS
Okaaaaay

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My reads so far: getting a bit odd vibes from Shos and Flicker but I don’t really know if it means anything.

Why is shos giving you odd vibes?

Shos has been mainly stuck in RVS......explain this please.

Though this post is mildly ironic now

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hmmmm looks like I irritated you a bit there
95-96 were posted in 9:04,9:06
97 in 9:23
98 in 9:31

hurrr
VOTE: Robbnva

Yeah did I move my vote at all because I also noticed this, he’s looking quite hot and bothered rn

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Shos is really really trying hard to paint Robb as scum.

VOTE: Shos

Only saw one post that could be construed that way. Nuh uh.

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Anyone know what woerd means?

Pretty clearly was a typo of weird
Why do you ask tho

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How does Penguin not have a post in over 2 days
Why can’t we prod the mod?

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And again, you were a random pick to start up conversation, don't feel special. Enough reactions were provided by others so no reason to specially pick YOU

Share what information you learned please. Cause if you actually learned anything, you did nothing with it.

So far I learned that you are one of two cases - either trembling townie who may be mislynched like PMyst, or scum. If you are the first, and the pressure literally irritates you irl, I am sorry genuinely, but until I know any better, nothing suggests otherwise than the second.

Asking me what I've learned is a nice scum tactic, BTW. You lay the burden of proof on me, when you know town can never truly learn something, especially in D1.

Pretty sure he meant what did you get out of what you did, not what did you learn for certain

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Yeah did I move my vote at all because I also noticed this, he’s looking quite hot and bothered rn

Shos sort of failed at it. Can you explain what about those makes it seem like I’m hot and bothered vs just answering the questions he asked?

The staggered timing bothered me but I feel like it’s less bothersome now, plus you’ve gotten better and shod has gotten worse
VOTE: shos

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@183:
Are you talking to me or flicker? because I'm

positive

that I've done such reaction tests before. I may not have played in 2 years, but it's not like I invented it.

Yeah did I move my vote at all because I also noticed this, he’s looking quite hot and bothered rn

Shos sort of failed at it. Can you explain what about those makes it seem like I’m hot and bothered vs just answering the questions he asked?

OK so I was really going to let this go but you just keep shoving it to my face. You quoted Gamma, but removed the part of the post where he quoted the timestamps of yer posts. something to hide? I'm gonna let gamma answer this one

This is a massive reach by shos actually

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On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much

As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.

Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?

I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.

But.

That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.

I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.

egh.
I like this post, but, ...ish. I mean I'm not sure if this is genuine.

I bolded the part which makes me like the post. I like it very much, it is good thinking.

The part above it - while true, it appears - I had no idea what Robb's meta was. Since I can only assume Drew knows that, because he knows I haven't played (he played in my first comeback game) in a long while, and since Robb is an alt which makes meta even harder, I'm not sure what to make of this.

Leaning townwise.

I agree Power, both seem sincere.

I disagree, shos is straining to find ways to push Robb

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In a vacuum it felt like you were scum just throwing things out as they came to you, but with your more recent activity it feels the other way, like it’s genuine town thought process

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Night 1 Kill

Almost50,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 1

Day 2 begins now and will last for (expired on 2019-12-02 15:45:00)

Whomst’d the fuck

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I don’t know what to make of the flicker kill. It was pretty bizarre tbh.

Either Flicker dropped some sort of PR indication or someone was deathly terrified of A50

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On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much

Call me naive but I think this sounds more genuine than amrun’s post I quoted.

Tbh I agree

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My working idea is that scum is in gamma/pyrrha. town!gamma could have given scum!pyrrha a free pass to "accident hammer" for towncred by not declaring L-1. or scum!gamma could have not declared L-1 in hopes of a fast hammer to both end the day quickly and buy himself towncred. The former seems much more likely at a glance.

Or there was a VC at the top of the page so anyone who did hammer would have no excuse to not realize what they were doing you pistachio

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Pyrrha Nikos, why did you hammer like that?

Because I remembered a game where scum!Thor did pretty much the exact same thing to Gamma and suddenly Shos!scum made sense.

Thor had this bs detailed case based presumably an Gamma’s “activity” as town vs. scum and kept insisting he was lockscum. He even went so far as to claim he’d be laughing at us all in dead thread when Gamma flipped scum. Gamma was eventually confitown in that game. It was You’ve Got Mail. I’ll try and find the link and you can check it out yourself,

Okay, so shos’ interactions with which player reminded you of hat?

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Ok so it was a purposeful hammer with no claim?

VOTE: Pyrha Nikos

What claim are you referring to? I said I realized that Shos was likely doing to Robb what Thor did to Gamma in YGM. Did you even bother to click that link before you voted me?

I’m guessing no. That’s why you’re likely scum. If you were town here, you’d check it out and you clearly weren’t interested in doing that, which is seriously dumb regardless of whatever your alignment is.

Ah

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I don’t care about the linked game. I have read what you are saying, but it’s 100% irrelevant. We already know shos is scum. In fact, saying you “caught scum” when you were the LAST person on the wagon is disingenuous in and of itself. None of it is a good reason to QUICKhammer. A quickhammer is not the same as any other vote.

A quick hammer is an inherently scummy action. The fact that you seem to think it requires no apology or explanation leaves me scared for the state of meta today.

Please, recent players - tell me if I’m being an old fart and this is now normal.

Quick hammers are less stigmatized now and Pyrrha’s logic makes sense but I think you’re talking past each other here rn. Amrun, you maybe need to stop being so uptight about not waiting for a claim. And Pyrrha Amrun does somewhat have a point there, you definitely should explain why you decided a claim wouldn’t change your mind.

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I don’t care about the linked game. I have read what you are saying, but it’s 100% irrelevant. We already know shos is scum. In fact, saying you “caught scum” when you were the LAST person on the wagon is disingenuous in and of itself. None of it is a good reason to QUICKhammer. A quickhammer is not the same as any other vote.

A quick hammer is an inherently scummy action. The fact that you seem to think it requires no apology or explanation leaves me scared for the state of meta today.

Please, recent players - tell me if I’m being an old fart and this is now normal.

Do you usually sr players who hammer scum or is it just in THIS game?

Like now you’re just twisting his words

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I’m pyrrah v amrun I like pyraah. He’s making much better arguments than amrun is and amrun is refusing to consider presented evidence to explain pyrrah’s motives. This means amrun doesn’t care about why he did it, just the fact he hammered scum is a scum tell which we all know it isn’t that simple. Town does this a lot. Tbh nothing shos could have claimed would have stopped me from wanting him lynched.

Claims are pointless anyway. Scum fake claim. You can’t give somebody a free pass just cause they claim a PR. If the play indicates scum you lynch it.

Both of them don’t look great tbh but I actually think Pyrrha is looking worse out of the two. Amrun kinda makes sense in how he is pushing this, he just seems like he’s not being receptive. Pyrrha however seems to be releasing hell’s fury here meanwhile completely missing the point. And I would generally be inclined to TR the meta usage but idk it feels like Pyrrha is trying to oversell it
PEdit: wdym it didn’t change mine? shos didn’t have a chance to claim? Like what????

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I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

This is literally you saying you town read shos.

So where is my reading comprehension wrong?

I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

Ok thanks for sharing. I still don’t think there’s been enough to rule that out. Distancing/bussing stuff happens all the time. If either of them are town, I’d wish they start playing better.

Yes, but Y player not considering that X player might say something scummy almost universally makes X player town if Y player is scum. That’s not something a partner would think or do. It’s about the mentality of it.

Flicker and shos could be town,

shos could be scum and Flicker could be town

, but I would be extremely shocked if they flipped scum together.

So what changed here?

It’s more the unexplained contradiction between these two posts that I think is super suspicious. It reads like he might possibly have a TMI on both slots.

You know this makes sense, and if it’s right it perfectly explains why Flicker/A50 died

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You can’t parse my post? You want to criticize my reading comprehension. My post is very clear.

Basically I didn’t know shos’s alignment and I thought he was scum which means I scum read him.

So you saying you didn’t know his alignment and you saying you think he is town means you town read him. You’re arguing that’s false narrative which it can’t be and isn’t.

Just own up to the fact you said you thought he was town and be done with it. You’re caught in that lie already so may as well admit it.

Okay you’re trying to call an opinion a lie which is pretty off-base imo. What are you hoping to prove here?

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Well that sort of reaction certainly doesn’t make me want to TR you
Outside of what I’d already mentioned, I also believe me and Pyrrha have the same way of using meta, sort of using it as a crutch at times. And I feel like I have done in the past as scum what Pyrrha is doing, which is heavily leaning on that meta crutch and trying to push using that and little else. I get that impression because she is getting fired up about how important the meta is, and re-applying it to Amrun after applying it to shos.
FYI I’m between you and Amrun rn, Pyrrha. I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind.

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I have no idea if they can be scum together. it’s not impossible. I’m not going to let pre-flip associations bias my reads.

For what it’s worth, I believe that if Flicker flips scum, shos is town.

See? You say you think he’s town.

Gfdi you are missing the point
IF FLICKER IS SCUM shos is town. THAT’S WHAT AMRUN WAS SAYING.

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On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much

As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.

Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?

I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.

But.

That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.

I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.

egh.
I like this post, but, ...ish. I mean I'm not sure if this is genuine.

I bolded the part which makes me like the post. I like it very much, it is good thinking.

The part above it - while true, it appears - I had no idea what Robb's meta was. Since I can only assume Drew knows that, because he knows I haven't played (he played in my first comeback game) in a long while, and since Robb is an alt which makes meta even harder, I'm not sure what to make of this.

Leaning townwise.

I agree Power, both seem sincere.

I disagree, shos is straining to find ways to push Robb

I agree his push is bad, he just seems really convinced about it but it is pinging me that he keeps pushing the whole reaction thing as scum indicative but the thing is, he has to know by now, he’s not convincing anyone and he’s still pushing it, so it just seems almost suicidal to do as scum? Otoh, it’s obviously such a terrible push and it really makes no sense. I dunno.

He might as well be calling Robb scum for misplacing commas or something.

The only thing I can think of is if Robb is good at reading him and he views him as some kind of threat? Otherwise, it makes no sense to me as any alignment.

@Gamma, is Shos’ push on Robb seem similar to Thor’s bs activity push on you in YGM? Maybe it is similar. That push was also horrendous, yet he kept insisting it had a real basis.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shos

This is reminding me of Thor/Gamma in YGM.

Yep, wrongly sr or not, I am never going to apologize for lynching scum, so deal with it.

Tbh why would you ask me that and then vote immediately?

Also Pyrrha trying to thunder some me is obnoxious as hell but possibly town, I don’t see why scum draws things to them

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Well that sort of reaction certainly doesn’t make me want to TR you
Outside of what I’d already mentioned, I also believe me and Pyrrha have the same way of using meta, sort of using it as a crutch at times. And I feel like I have done in the past as scum what Pyrrha is doing, which is heavily leaning on that meta crutch and trying to push using that and little else. I get that impression because she is getting fired up about how important the meta is, and re-applying it to Amrun after applying it to shos.
FYI I’m between you and Amrun rn, Pyrrha. I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind.

Fine vote me and after I flip, town is insane not to have you follow.

The reason why I think you could be scum here is certain posts you made about Robb being irritated when that was clearly not the case.

I’d say after I’m flipped, if Drew is NK’d it’s very likely Gamma.

Honestly that reason to suspect me is fair, I feel like my vote was oddly timed. What does interest me is you saying a Drew NK implicates me. I know he said he suspects me in the thread but it just feels odd.

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Thanks. That makes sense as why you skipped past intent as well, you were so sure you just went for it. I kinda agree with you based on what I recall rn, sure I could read more but I think your conclusion about Robb being obvtown is fine

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Eh that’s true.

Yeah I think I’m coming around to you being town now

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Well that sort of reaction certainly doesn’t make me want to TR you
Outside of what I’d already mentioned, I also believe me and Pyrrha have the same way of using meta, sort of using it as a crutch at times. And I feel like I have done in the past as scum what Pyrrha is doing, which is heavily leaning on that meta crutch and trying to push using that and little else. I get that impression because she is getting fired up about how important the meta is, and re-applying it to Amrun after applying it to shos.
FYI I’m between you and Amrun rn, Pyrrha. I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind.

Fine vote me and after I flip, town is insane not to have you follow.

The reason why I think you could be scum here is certain posts you made about Robb being irritated when that was clearly not the case.

I’d say after I’m flipped, if Drew is NK’d it’s very likely Gamma.

Honestly that reason to suspect me is fair, I feel like my vote was oddly timed. What does interest me is you saying a Drew NK implicates me. I know he said he suspects me in the thread but it just feels odd.

If I’m flipped, Drew is suspicious of you. Amrun is sr him, so it’s less likely scum!Amrun kills Drew. Would you agree or disagree with this?

Robb is locktown, so why would scum NK Drew? So I’m saying if I’m flipped and we lynch power and game doesn’t end, who else would a Drew NK point to if not you?

I suppose power could frame you then but I know you can read me here. But you’re saying Robb was irritated when he clearly wasn’t is weird to me. Because it sounds to me like you were backing Shos’ bad Robb push and then did a 180 with a Shos’ bus.

Convince me I’m wrong and I’ll unvote you.

I mean I agree, it really does look like I just reversed my position there, but I kinda didn’t like how shos was dealing with the pressure, however I kinda positioned myself poorly by initially agreeing with shos and taking his side. But when Robb turned my read on him around I thought about how I didn’t like some of shos’ play following that regarding how he took the heat and also I felt like shos was really trying to create a narrative with Robb as scum.

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Thanks. That makes sense as why you skipped past intent as well, you were so sure you just went for it. I kinda agree with you based on what I recall rn, sure I could read more but I think your conclusion about Robb being obvtown is fine

Why did you think Robb was irritated then because I remember reading that and thinking wtf?

When I saw shos’ post I kinda took what was presented there along with Robb’s response as a sign shos was probably right. But following that Robb continued to behave in that manner and it felt genuine, which is why my read turned.

So to boil that down to what is relevant, shos made a point that seemed mildly valid and Robb’s response lent credence to it

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Can you talk about your eth0s read btw? He feels rather invisible rn

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I just realized amrun is a she. Sorry if I referred to you incorrectly.

Gonna do a bit of re-reading tomorrow. I particularly want stronger reads on power and drew. Gamma I'm liking a bit more with recent posting.

@gamma I recall you saying I felt "invisible" or something. not really sure what you mean? Or was that about pyrrha's stance on me solely?

You felt like you were slipping through the cracks of the conversation

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Well that sort of reaction certainly doesn’t make me want to TR you
Outside of what I’d already mentioned, I also believe me and Pyrrha have the same way of using meta, sort of using it as a crutch at times. And I feel like I have done in the past as scum what Pyrrha is doing, which is heavily leaning on that meta crutch and trying to push using that and little else. I get that impression because she is getting fired up about how important the meta is, and re-applying it to Amrun after applying it to shos.
FYI I’m between you and Amrun rn, Pyrrha. I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind.

I am weirded out still how

PN tried to use meta on me

despite likely having never played with me before and it being six years since I played. She also NEVER responded to my questions about that.

Huh?

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Pyrrah. You’ve been all over the place. Who do you really think is last scum and why?

I also realize that while that post I quoted from amrun said given the flip, the fact that he was voting flicker over amrun means out of the two he thought shos was townier. Idk how you guys play but when somebody compares two players trying to decide who is scimitar and who isn’t. The one he doesn’t vote becomes a town read by default until a flip happens.

So call it semantics or whatever, to me amrun lied. To me he tried to push an alternate lynch to scum and that almost always equals death after a scum flip.

I honestly don’t understand how people aren’t interested in an amrun lynch when their play d1 looks like buddy to shos.

You know this is actually rather solid and I kinda feel Amrun getting hung up on semantics might actually be scum trying to take down the point using false evidence of contrary indication. Though the fact it took you this long to mention how his vote choice figured into it makes that not too strong a feeling (nothing against you though)

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VOTE: Amrun
With what Robbnva pointed out, and my previous impressions of Amrun including my thoughts on him killing Flickerslot, I feel pretty good with this vote
Also I can’t believe this is needed on a page with a VC but

this is L-1

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum can be wholesome, just ask Pink Ball

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but would scum really basically sheep their partner's reasons?

It's an easy way to fake a believable town read on your buddy. As you said before, bussing is probably not scum's #1 goal on D1 of a micro. Ideally, they want to establish each other as mutual town reads and cement themselves in a town core. It's only when the ship starts to go down that they would switch to bussing.

Did I mention I actually felt shos was rather suspect a little after agreeing with him but didn’t feel like I was in good spot to just say “hey btw this guy sucked”
Like yeah that’s prolly scummy too but I have reasons to what I did this game

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@dann. If I did change my vote it would actually be gamma. He’s really pinging my gut. My brain and gut are basically fighting. Gamma would definitely leave me alive.

I think my NKA is actually quite valid
Amrun stayed he didn’t think Flicker was scum with shos, so with shos flipping scum who becomes unlynchable to Amrun?

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Did I mention I actually felt shos was rather suspect a little after agreeing with him but didn’t feel like I was in good spot to just say “hey btw this guy sucked”

Why would you care about how it looks to voice your reads?

I just felt like playing both sides of the fence would be no good
Yeah I realize it was super worried about appearances but it’s my logic mkay

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Yeah but now Amrun is locked into a position where he can’t push Flicker. Say it’s scum!Amrun Flicker and a conftown in 3p LyLo, Amrun has to find a reasoning for the conftown to vote Flicker that circumvents his past read
(And I know A50 repped in but he didn’t do anything so w/e)

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Did I mention I actually felt shos was rather suspect a little after agreeing with him but didn’t feel like I was in good spot to just say “hey btw this guy sucked”

Why would you care about how it looks to voice your reads?

I just felt like playing both sides of the fence would be no good
Yeah I realize it was super worried about appearances but it’s my logic mkay

I mean it's not playing both sides of the fence if it's your genuine thoughts. Town changes their mind and contradicts themselves all the time. Are you usually this concerned about looking fence-sitty?

I don’t think so but this game I think I just didn’t want to flip so soon
Because it was rather fast after agreeing that I felt that way

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Gamma, can I get a reads list from you? Just basic who you think is town vs. scummy

I’d say my reads are like

Robb
Dann
-/-/-/-
Drew
-/-/-/-
eth0s
power
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
Amrun

With eth0s being around the null line

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Yeah but now Amrun is locked into a position where he can’t push Flicker. Say it’s scum!Amrun Flicker and a conftown in 3p LyLo, Amrun has to find a reasoning for the conftown to vote Flicker that circumvents his past read
(And I know A50 repped in but he didn’t do anything so w/e)

If I was scum, between day 1 and LyLo it would be pretty easy to find a reason to reverse my read.

Sure, you say that now
The big issue I would see you having is having to justify it to the conftown. Sure you can flip but if it’s a poor reason you’re gonna get called out.

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Yeah but now Amrun is locked into a position where he can’t push Flicker. Say it’s scum!Amrun Flicker and a conftown in 3p LyLo, Amrun has to find a reasoning for the conftown to vote Flicker that circumvents his past read
(And I know A50 repped in but he didn’t do anything so w/e)

This feels like really flimsy reasoning to me and I think you're better than this as town, Gamma

That's a lot of assumptions to make the NK make sense for scum!Amrun. Like, why does flicker even need to be killed N1 if the danger is in 3p LyLo?

I guess I don’t know why it would be N1, but I don’t believe there’s a similar reason for anyone else to kill Flicker/A50 specifically. I definitely wouldn’t have given my history with A50, yeah I’d rate him as a threat but my policy since NY 213 I believe has been to only negate that threat of it is real instead of potential.

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Spoiler:

I don’t care about the linked game. I have read what you are saying, but it’s 100% irrelevant. We already know shos is scum. In fact, saying you “caught scum” when you were the LAST person on the wagon is disingenuous in and of itself. None of it is a good reason to QUICKhammer. A quickhammer is not the same as any other vote.

A quick hammer is an inherently scummy action. The fact that you seem to think it requires no apology or explanation leaves me scared for the state of meta today.

Please, recent players - tell me if I’m being an old fart and this is now normal.

Quick hammers are less stigmatized now and Pyrrha’s logic makes sense but I think you’re talking past each other here rn. Amrun, you maybe need to stop being so uptight about not waiting for a claim. And Pyrrha Amrun does somewhat have a point there, you definitely should explain why you decided a claim wouldn’t change your mind.

I’m pyrrah v amrun I like pyraah. He’s making much better arguments than amrun is and amrun is refusing to consider presented evidence to explain pyrrah’s motives. This means amrun doesn’t care about why he did it, just the fact he hammered scum is a scum tell which we all know it isn’t that simple. Town does this a lot. Tbh nothing shos could have claimed would have stopped me from wanting him lynched.

Claims are pointless anyway. Scum fake claim. You can’t give somebody a free pass just cause they claim a PR. If the play indicates scum you lynch it.

Both of them don’t look great tbh but I actually think Pyrrha is looking worse out of the two. Amrun kinda makes sense in how he is pushing this, he just seems like he’s not being receptive. Pyrrha however seems to be releasing hell’s fury here meanwhile completely missing the point. And I would generally be inclined to TR the meta usage but idk it feels like Pyrrha is trying to oversell it
PEdit: wdym it didn’t change mine? shos didn’t have a chance to claim? Like what????

Well that sort of reaction certainly doesn’t make me want to TR you
Outside of what I’d already mentioned, I also believe me and Pyrrha have the same way of using meta, sort of using it as a crutch at times. And I feel like I have done in the past as scum what Pyrrha is doing, which is heavily leaning on that meta crutch and trying to push using that and little else. I get that impression because she is getting fired up about how important the meta is, and re-applying it to Amrun after applying it to shos.
FYI I’m between you and Amrun rn, Pyrrha. I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind.

I also find these posts from Gamma kinda gross. It doesn't read to me like he's genuinely trying to get Pyrrha and Amrun to connect or come to an understanding, but lowkey trying to stoke the flames from the sidelines. He takes the position that both are scummy, and claims it could go either way, leaving him open to hop on either wagon depending on which gains momentum. The "I lean towards you but depending on how things develop I could well change my mind" feels like an explicit setup for hoping to pocket Pyrrha or make his switch over to Amrun later smoother.

Honestly that reason to suspect me is fair, I feel like my vote was oddly timed.

Also, small thing, but more hyper-awareness from Gamma and I have found recently that the amicable: "yknow that's fair" response to being suspected is more likely to come from hyper-aware scum than town who know they're innocent.

Was I supposed to figure that both Amrun and Pyrrha were town? If not why would I try to bridge the gap, it’s possible one is just scum, and has no reason to work with the other.

Also when it comes to me personally I feel like that type of self-awareness is generally more towny, at a certain level of self-awareness I think it’s impossible or at least unrecorded for me to achieve it as scum, that’s not quite that self-aware but I still think my self-awareness comes more when I’m town

And like if I wanted to hop on the wagon with momentum why do I not vote sooner tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

What about drew. I don’t actually have a read on him RN . What’s people’s thoughts on Drew?

Probably because I have been staying away from this game because of all the for realz arguing.

But I am back and going to do a little catch up later. I will say I would prefer to lynch people not on the Shos wagon today. And if we don't hit scum then kick the tires on Gamma.

And you don't have to worry about me, I am confirmable

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, can I get a reads list from you? Just basic who you think is town vs. scummy

I’d say my reads are like

Robb
Dann
-/-/-/-
Drew
-/-/-/-
eth0s
power
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
-/-/-/-
Amrun

With eth0s being around the null line

Why gamma. State your case

For what???

[Gamma Emerald]

With eth0s being around the null line

Why is eth0s around null for you?

He hasn’t really done much I find AI rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Obviously for amrun

NKA, think she’s severely dodging the point you’re making about his Flicker+shos associative, and tied to the last point, it feels like she’s trying to distract from that by making it about the semantics still
But like, why do you ask me this when you were voting her not too long ago?

[Gamma Emerald]

With eth0s being around the null line

Why is eth0s around null for you?

He hasn’t really done much I find AI rn

Expand on your Drew read then?

Eh there are some

reasons

but also I think he’s somewhat invested in genuinely solving rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, what do you think of ethos/shos interactions from Day 1?

Don’t remember any explicitly, maybe eth0s shaded shos once or twice?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, sorry, I was using the wrong pronoun for Amrun. Apologies

I feel like mass claims in micro's can be really devastating for scum, especially with a D1 scum lynch.

I'm gonna mull it over a little more

so 9p game
would most likely get 2 or 3 town prs, with cop/tracker/rber/watcher/jker possibly able to determine alignments because only one scum left
which means optimistically getting 4 confirmed town out of a mass claim for a poe of 3 with 2 lynches to lylo
I'd be down for this

I think given we have a Goon flip already we only have like 1/2 town PRs

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel sick as hell today so I’m probably going to be doing jack shit. In addition:

VLA between Wednesday and Saturday (up through the end of November), Thanksgiving means family time and that means less phone time.

[Gamma Emerald]

eth0s picking at my lack of a declared L-1 makes me want him dead
Only an absolute moron would miss the VC on that page and accidentally hammer
And anyone trying to argue my L-1 was scummy given that is super fucking suspect imo
STOP.

[Gamma Emerald]

Luckily I have the advantage of being an absolute moron so I can see why it was scummy even if you don't.

Plus it's just bad form. Why act like declaring L-1 is so difficult or has any drawbacks?

:THONK:
Like you just admitted calling that scummy is moronic, okay
But to explain, I could have declared L-1 but unless you aren’t fucking reading the game at all you’ll see the VC showing shos at L-2, add my vote and realize that’s L-1.
And like this has been brought up multiple times although it’s actually really fucking questionable as a point against me? Like why the fuck to I set that up to happen?
Also I see power claimed Tracker: who are we clearing atm? Amrun prolly makes sense so UNVOTE: but Tracker could be a fake claim or a scum claiming their real role so if we’re clearing power now that’s ehhhh
Also I’m VT and was neighbored by Drew N1

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with ethos. Imo Not declaring l-1 as scum is pretty common tactic to get accidental hammers.

Yeah but ON MY ALLEGED BUDDY? Wake the flip up

[Gamma Emerald]

Well scum was on the wagon and the lynch was going to happen

Make up your mind lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

I am, there is a non town variety of the role?

Ummm this seems questionable given you not being a newb
Plus I think something you said in the PT doesn’t quite fit

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah like
Your response to me questioning you asserting you were confirmable feels a bit mild for thinking the role wasn’t one scum could have

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the fact you never said confirmable as town concerns me following that

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway
Fuck all y’all for calling my L-1 scummy, I don’t have to cater to you LCDs

[Gamma Emerald]

Well scum was on the wagon and the lynch was going to happen

Make up your mind lmfao

Well when the one guy off the wagon claimed tracker and cleared the other. My mind was forced to be made.

And you’re certain Power isn’t scum Tracker why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah like
Your response to me questioning you asserting you were confirmable feels a bit mild for thinking the role wasn’t one scum could have

Please clarify.

I asked how he was confirmable in the PT and he said “I could confirm him” pretty much. If he were thinking his role was town-only I feel like he would have been a bit more assertive about it

[Gamma Emerald]

noice

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone wanna finally explain why my L-1 was scummy btw? Because I don’t fucking but the expressed reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

buy*

[Gamma Emerald]

It furthered my agenda. Although I still wouldn't have liked the lack of L-1 declaration if I was town.

Why though
Legit there was a VC ON THE PAGE
So any hammers were full responsibility of the person doing them