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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:20 am

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works for me

VOTE: Quantifiable Conundrum
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:59 am

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What makes you think Not_Mafia is town?
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Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 2, Blatant Scum wrote:[*]When a duel is declared on the moderator, the moderator gains ability to vote and his vote will count as 100 votes.
I'm surprised this wasn't NM's first move
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Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:16 am

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:17 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:25 am

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this is fun
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Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:43 am

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hi RC
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Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:49 am

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it's like theoretically rlly rlly foolish of me to have a confident town read on you already but here we are

so im doing great tbh
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Post Post #41 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:50 am

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In post 26, GuiltyLion wrote:Right now I kinda want to flip QC in this duel because it'd be funny if they were scum

I don't like
GL, what about 11 specifically don't you like?
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Post Post #43 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:52 am

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you're trying too hard
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Post Post #45 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:53 am

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Yes

but please don't lurk
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Post Post #49 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:58 am

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you start getting people super paranoid of you

and I plan to try really hard to be super!duper!obv!town!dann

then maybe scum will get tricked into NKing me

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Post Post #51 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:02 pm

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We can get 2 lynches after this duel anyway, if I understand correctly
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Post Post #53 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:03 pm

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in a perfect world can't the duel be leashed as an extra lynch
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Post Post #58 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:08 pm

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oh wow RC is scummy
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Post Post #59 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 2, Blatant Scum wrote:[*]Max 2 duels/ day.
This means 3—theoretically—town controlled deaths a day, right?
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Post Post #61 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:12 pm

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but we also get a normal lynch after the duels?
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Post Post #62 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:13 pm

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oh wait nvm I'm stupid I guess ignore me
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Post Post #64 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:26 pm

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Oh wait

I'm correct
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Post Post #156 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:28 pm

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In post 95, RadiantCowbells wrote:pretty sure 93 is town

ff is more likely town than scum but I wouldn't like be surprised if he was scum
I think this first take was correct.
In post 147, Amrun wrote:Reeks of scum fabricating reads and definitely the worst thing in the game so far.
Why does the stream-of-consciousness change of mind "reek of scum fabricating reads" to you? I'd expect a fabricated scum read to be a lot more solid and deliberated than the wishy-washy jump back and forth RC did there.
In post 149, Amrun wrote:I need to stop making assumptions this game because this is 100% what I thought we would be doing and I’m annoyed NF isn’t dead yet.
It is 100% correct to lynch Not_Mafia first here and deal with QC after. But, why are you annoyed that we're not rushing this phase? There's value in letting the thread breathe for a bit.
In post 152, eth0s wrote:
In post 144, Lovebird wrote:I didn't have anything to say, but now I think ethos is scum
Hot take
@Lovebird, why did that post from eth0s ping you? I got the opposite impression tbh

@eth0s, why aren't you pressing Lovebird on his read of you? It seems weirdly out of character from what I know about you
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Post Post #161 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:39 pm

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In post 157, Amrun wrote:@Dann:

The part I specifically did not like is calling post #93 town and then not knowing who he townread out of the pair. Like... wouldn’t it be ... the author of post 93?!

But actually in hindsight, scum would probably be more composed in that situation, so I concede your point.

As for not rushing this phase, I don’t see why it matters either way, since it doesn’t end the day. But in that post, I didn’t mean I was annoyed that the phase wasn’t ended. I don’t care about that. I was annoyed that there doesn’t seem to be an immediate consensus that we are making the obviously correct play.
Oh okay, I see where your incredulousness comes form. But yeah I would still argue that a scum player, particularly one with as much experience as RC, would be more consistent in his read. In general, I think scum tend to be more consistent in their reads than town.

RC certainly has the skill to fake the stream-of-consciousness in order to town tell, but I think that's unlikely due to his recent apathy towards playing scum.

It's the correct play to lynch NM first regardless of either of their alignments just because we can't let NM live and also be sure that we'll always have total control over every duel. A no-lynch also isn't possible without running out the deadline, I believe, which would be very bad. My vote is spiritually on NM but I think there's some value in getting a little more discussion in before any flips occur at all. pedit: I think getting people's reads before either of the duel pair flip is important.

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also not really relevant to anything but I have a town lean on eth0s
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Post Post #164 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:46 pm

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He's not stating that's what you said and ending it there, but asking for clarification. I'd say he's genuinely trying to sort you.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:49 pm

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Also I saw the same—seeming—contradiction he did and I assume Amrun did as well, which is... probably why she thinks it's townie?
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Post Post #185 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:46 am

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v/la for like a day or two, very sick :(
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Post Post #318 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:04 am

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holy shit two absolutely terrible duels in a row I hate this

I’ll be returning to this game tomorrow if all goes well
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Post Post #322 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:54 am

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I'm not caught up with the thread but I checked the duels because I saw it mentioned on this page and it's not hard to check the mod's ISO

my opinion of the duel targets is that they are both town (RC and eth0s)

I thought that was implied by saying it was a terrible duel

I'm purposefully not going to give much content until I can read up and give my full attention and energy to this game because I prefer to play mafia in a way where I can put in maximum effort

you can dislike that choice if you like
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Post Post #325 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:11 am

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Radiant Cowbells (L-4)
: noone
eth0s (L-1)
: GuiltyLion, Amrun, Fishy Logic
Dannflor, Lovebird, Quantifiable Conundrum
In post 299, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:
In post 323, Formerfish wrote:
In post 322, Dannflor wrote:I thought that was implied by saying it was a terrible duel
If you aren't caught up how do you know the duels are terrible?
Because I think it's TvT... As I've just stated. They were quite literally both my first two town reads of the game. Maybe I'll change my mind on catching up but that was my initial reaction on seeing that duel.

I'll try to do more than a "glorified prodge" tonight if I'm still feeling good.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:38 am

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Well, actually I:

1. Don't necessarily know that eth0s is all that easy to read.
2. I have more trust in your reads to be more accurate/consistent later on than his.

I just woulda preferred if you dueled QC :(
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Post Post #329 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:40 am

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But yeah, I'm probably voting eth0s in this duel because in a situation where I town read you both I think you're more valuable ultimately—sorry eth0s.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 am

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In post 225, eth0s wrote:
Quantifiable Conundrum (L-4)
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Not_Mafia (L-1)
: Fishy Logic, Amrun, eth0s
RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, Lovebir
Okay I'm hard town reading qc now.

VOTE: not_mafia
wait what
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Post Post #332 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:08 am

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Wow I really missed out on some fun stuff didn't I
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Post Post #333 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am

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In post 228, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:I'm trying to contribute to the broader game, but I'm a bit preoccupied with the duel.
QC, you keep repeating this line but I don't see these contributions to the game. I'm also not sure what about that duel was taking so much of your time to address. You completely ignore the largest broader game related thing going on in RC vs. eth0s until the duel starts and then push RC as a maybe policy lynch?

Can you elaborate on why you're town reading eth0s? Also, why weren't you interested in why eth0s suddenly started hard town reading you in #225?
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Post Post #336 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:40 am

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I intend to hammer eth0s but I'd like to make QC take some hard stances first
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Post Post #340 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:03 pm

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In post 189, eth0s wrote:And in regards to what you said on me sorting QC: at the risk of digging myself into a hole I would like to clarify that I don't TR qc. Yes I do TL him but in no way did I mean to imply that I have a confident read on his alignment.
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Quantifiable Conundrum (L-4)
: noone
Not_Mafia (L-1)
: Fishy Logic, Amrun, eth0s
RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, Lovebir
Okay I'm hard town reading qc now.

VOTE: not_mafia
Actually, eth0s goes from town leaning you to hard town reading you.

Are you caught up on reading?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:15 pm

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can I hammer eth0s RC
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Post Post #346 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:18 pm

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VOTE: eth0s
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Post Post #357 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:02 pm

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In post 349, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:Yeah, I didn't react at the time and I won't now. That's not abnormal. Most people don't really react to TR's on themselves. Not sure what you're trying to get at with this.
It just came out of the blue and it's something you don't question at all, which I feel like you would do if you wanted to sort eth0s?

I'm not necessarily looking for a "reaction," I just want to know what you think about it.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:08 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 147, Amrun wrote:
In post 95, RadiantCowbells wrote:pretty sure 93 is town

ff is more likely town than scum but I wouldn't like be surprised if he was scum
In post 96, RadiantCowbells wrote:Wait I think I have that reversed

I think FF is town here and I'm uncertain if GL is
In post 97, RadiantCowbells wrote:actually idk if either of them are town

This progression is garbage as well. What wishy washy mess. You called 93 specifically a towny post and then reverse your position twice in the next few posts. Reeks of scum fabricating reads and definitely the worst thing in the game so far.
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Quantifiable Conundrum (L-4)
: noone
Not_Mafia (L-2)
: Fishy Logic, Amrun
RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, Lovebird, eth0s
In post 114, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 77, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:
In post 68, RadiantCowbells wrote:nothing else to say about having been dueled?
I literally hadn't noticed, I didn't read any of the thread.
Please vote for no lynch guys, I think this whole thing was just an (admittedly dumb) joke, and this is TvT.
Still, if you want to policy lynch someone for dueling someone who literally hasn't posted yet, I understand.
Man I think this is a scum response


Aaand RC immediately goes against his own self admitted optimal play
In post 171, Amrun wrote:And fwiw I feel better about ethos now.
In post 288, Amrun wrote:For this one going to have to go with who has a higher likelihood to flip scum.

VOTE: ethos


Amrun, you go from apparently scum reading RC, to "feeling better" about eth0s and then voting eth0s with no explanation. Where do you stand on RC right now? What made you decide eth0s had a higher likelihood to flip scum?
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Post Post #362 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:20 pm

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Can one of the people scum reading Fishy Logic succinctly case why? A lot of what I've read about that scum read feels to me like personalities clashing over anything else, but maybe my lack of presence here has tainted that view.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:22 pm

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In post 360, eth0s wrote:QC is absolutely town and that's all I got. Thanks for the mercy
This is useless if you don't explain why.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:31 pm

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I see. How strong is your town read on RC now?

Also, where do you look if eth0s flips town?

You've listed eth0s/QC and eth0s/FL as possible teams. Are these strictly team reads or do you have a strong individual scum read on one or both of those two slots?
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Post Post #370 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:35 pm

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In post 143, eth0s wrote:I'm lost
In post 144, Lovebird wrote:I didn't have anything to say, but now I think ethos is scum
I do think for being the only piece of content in her ISO that picking on eth0s here is more scum indicative than town indicative.l
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Post Post #371 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:36 pm

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Although, if eth0s flips scum, I'd be less inclined to scum read that slot ig
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Post Post #376 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:56 pm

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man if you're gonna play anti-town by accusing people of gamethrowing for pursuing scum reads and not elaborating on reads out of obstinance I feel like you have to kinda expect to get lynched

those are entirely in game reasons too
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Post Post #382 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:10 pm

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lol there are several posts where he's scum reading you
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Post Post #415 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:13 pm

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Thanks for doing that eth0s, good night
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Post Post #427 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:17 am

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GL, why do you town read me?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:53 pm

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Can both of you go into your town reads? If you have any?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:33 pm

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In post 434, Fishy Logic wrote:L is liking GL more and I agree with the read.
What made you come around on GL?
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Post Post #440 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:56 pm

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yeah not too surprised
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Post Post #442 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:15 pm

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I agree Amrun is town. FL is probably town but less sure.

Lovebird is probably scum.

GL, I'm not sure. I don't share the strong town read many people seem to have on him.

I'm not scum but I'm not surprised I'm in consideration. Which is why I question any of the strong town reads people are giving me already.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:57 am

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Why no mention of me Lovebird
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Post Post #480 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:01 pm

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In post 475, Lovebird wrote:
Quantifiable Conundrum (L-2)
: Amrun, Fishy Logic
Lovebird (L-3)
: Quantifiable Conundrum
RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, Lovebird
In post 471, Dannflor wrote:Why no mention of me Lovebird
IDK what to think about you.
Did you wanna try and change that or
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Post Post #481 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:06 pm

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RC's solve are the two lowest posters which I wouldn't be too surprised if exactly correct just because of how weird the game state has been since the start of the game. Especially if QC is town, then we've probably had two TvT duels in a row which means scum haven't been obligated to do anything.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #54) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:21 pm

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Who is scum, Lovebird?
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Post Post #487 (isolation #55) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:22 pm

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Why is QC scum and yet people are also scum reading them for bad reasons?
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Post Post #577 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:18 pm

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rc i was literally not home all day and yes I am going to post somewhere where I have to do 0 reading when I have a few seconds as opposed to somewhere where I have to do reading

you'll receive my attention tonight don't fret
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Post Post #580 (isolation #57) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:19 pm

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Let me start here

I think Fishy Logic is my top town read right now
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Post Post #581 (isolation #58) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:20 pm

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I don't like this game
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Post Post #583 (isolation #59) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:22 pm

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I was about to ask why you were worried about Lovebird having the clout to mislynch you and then I realized
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Post Post #585 (isolation #60) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:24 pm

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a lynch might get forced between to you anyways

it would be Lovebird but I'm kinda townreading Lovebird now
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Post Post #587 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:26 pm

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I think GL going from "QC is newb scum if scum" to town reading QC to wanting to lynch QC today

is very partnery
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Post Post #588 (isolation #62) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:27 pm

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In post 423, GuiltyLion wrote:FL I also see where their mindset is at but it keeps pinging me at times that they're arguing for the sake of arguing rather than really focusing on what's likely to be indicative - like arguing with eth0s after he was already lynched almost got to the point of taunting and I didn't see the point of that from a town perspective.
Also just reread this but this is really bad read imo
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Post Post #591 (isolation #63) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:32 pm

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I have to call someone so try not to freak out too much that I suddenly stopped posting

I'll be back in the thread later

I'll try my best to show you I'm town
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Post Post #593 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:36 pm

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tbh I just didn't trust Nancy because she had sheep locked town so I was being more contrarian than I should've been

knowing Gamma was town I don't look great
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Post Post #618 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:07 pm

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In post 612, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't think it's time yet to indulge in paranoia
When would you consider it time to start being paranoid about me?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #66) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:09 pm

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What didn't you like about FL's engagement with RC? I town read that
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Post Post #640 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:01 pm

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In post 599, Fishy Logic wrote:
In post 580, Dannflor wrote:Let me start here

I think Fishy Logic is my top town read right now
To what do we owe this pleasure. Also, beware RC doesn't like talking about his tr of us. He gets pretty shitty if you try to bring it up.
Mostly, it was specifically your spat with RC. First you come in looking for stuff to do/people to talk to when it really wouldn't be necessary to do so from a scum perspective, and I only think you get as mad you did if you're town trying to get your foot in the game.
In post 615, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 588, Dannflor wrote:
In post 423, GuiltyLion wrote:FL I also see where their mindset is at but it keeps pinging me at times that they're arguing for the sake of arguing rather than really focusing on what's likely to be indicative - like arguing with eth0s after he was already lynched almost got to the point of taunting and I didn't see the point of that from a town perspective.
Also just reread this but this is really bad read imo
why?
It feels to me like the type of read scum maintains on town, like you're looking specifically for reasons to scum read them. I just get that sense from "I can see where their mindset is at" and yet at the same time finding their actions scummy. It feels fencesitty in a way where you just don't quite want to admit their town yet.

I also find the arguing for the sake of arguing thing to be more of a personality read than an alignment read when it comes to FF, but unsure if you have meta with him.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #68) » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:01 pm

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Amrun, why is GL your top town read?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #69) » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:04 pm

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Lovebird, you said you wouldn't bus QC if he was your partner. Is that really true?

What would you instead do in this situation if QC was your partner and the most popular scum read
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Post Post #644 (isolation #70) » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:30 pm

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QC, who is scum besides Lovebird?
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Post Post #696 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:18 am

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In post 657, RadiantCowbells wrote:Dann why the fuck did you scumread my slot in Forest fire
I was specifically looking for a sheep buddy and I thought Gamma made the most sense
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Post Post #697 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:20 am

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Consider my vote on Lovebird but I'm not going to vote until RC gives the go ahead
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Post Post #698 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:23 am

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Lovebird, what happened to your Amrun read
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Post Post #703 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:55 am

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VOTE: Lovebird L-1
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Post Post #710 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:21 am

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I don’t believe your scum read on RC
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Post Post #711 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:22 am

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What if I just duel GL tomorrow
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Post Post #716 (isolation #77) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:27 am

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I’m town but I don’t have any reason to disagree with any of your town reads, RC

Accept maybe QC but I see the logic for him being town
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Post Post #718 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:29 am

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In post 712, Lovebird wrote:
In post 710, Dannflor wrote:I don’t believe your scum read on RC
OK. Why not.
You’re not interacting with him like I think a townie would interact with a scum read. I don’t see you trying to sort him. Instead, it looks like a scum read you’re holding because you think it’ll make you look townie.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:32 am

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Why do you think he would know you’re town

Do you think your play should be town read or do you expect him to be magic
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Post Post #736 (isolation #80) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:39 am

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Do you think a QC scum flip makes people reconsider RC?
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Post Post #850 (isolation #81) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:47 am

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Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells,
Dannflor, Amrun, GuiltyLion
In post 247, GuiltyLion wrote:I've only skimmed/read once to stay current and I don't have time to truly think/reply to things in depth yet but I am starting to townread QC and eth0s coming to that read at a similar time makes me lean town on him as well.

I'll try to do more on my lunch break today
I know this is going way back in the game GL, but do you remember why you were starting to townread QC here?
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Post Post #855 (isolation #82) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:58 pm

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I think I'm with GL in that the only person I trust right now is Amrun.

Although I feel like my reasons for town reading RC are a little less shaky than my reasons for town reading GL.
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Post Post #861 (isolation #83) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:27 pm

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GL, what makes Amrun obv town to you?
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Post Post #889 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:29 am

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In post 863, GuiltyLion wrote:how will that question help you sort me? I'll answer it but I'm kinda suspicious you're fishing for things to push me on. I gave some reasons for townreading her yesterday and while I do still need to do due diligence there and rethink her play this game, she's the person who's never pinged me in any way and ending the day voting QC looks really town from her if QC is scum. if QC is town there's a lot more room for scum!Amrun but we're likely pretty screwed at that point already
I mean, yes, I'm absolutely looking for things to push you on. I've already said I'm town reading Amrun so it would have been very easy to see your town read on her and just nodded and went along, but I was curious how you got there anyway.

Honestly, I don't even think I have very good reasons to scum read you, it's just that I have better reasons to town read both RC and Amrun so you just kinda fall into my PoE. I'm definitely looking for some sort of confirmation that I'm either right or wrong in those assumptions, but I'm not sure I see a meaningful difference between that and sorting you.

I'm unsure what the point is of expressing paranoia about that given you think I'm probably scum. Also, I don't see why Amrun and QC can't be partners. I don't necessarily believe it to be the case "but ended the day voting QC" is not very compelling given that in Amrun's own words, no one was really interested in lynching QC. Is that your biggest reason for town reading Amrun?
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Post Post #890 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:33 am

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In post 872, RadiantCowbells wrote:I wouldn't be ~the way I am~ in this game if I were scum
Boiled down this is exactly why I've been town reading RC since early game and to be honest despite the rather nebulous nature of it I feel like it's accurate

If RC is scum, I don't think there's any universe where he's scum with QC. RC / QC interactions are far more likely to be RC wanting to keep QC around as a late game mislynch than scum buddies. I don't think RC would hesitate to burn his partner in this game, especially if they were QC.

Which means if RC is scum, they have a partner in Amrun and GL.

Which I guess is worth checking on, but refer to point number one
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Post Post #891 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:34 am

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I think if RC is scum he can only be scum with Amrun
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Post Post #892 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:35 am

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In post 96, RadiantCowbells wrote:Wait I think I have that reversed

I think FF is town here and I'm uncertain if GL is
In post 97, RadiantCowbells wrote:actually idk if either of them are town
In post 98, GuiltyLion wrote:aw man I got excited for a sec thinking finally RC might be townreading me in a game

I think hopefully if you just give me some room to play I'll town it up. You just saw me as scum and I plan to effort/play here in a manner that would be extremely difficult for me to imitate as scum
I don't really think this is SvS
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Post Post #894 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:38 am

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That would help ease some paranoia probably
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Post Post #896 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:41 am

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It's the only pair that includes you that I'm a little bit worried about.

I think overall chances are that you're probably not scum, but slim chance that you are I think it's with Amrun
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Post Post #900 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:46 am

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Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells,
Dannflor, Amrun, GuiltyLion
I'll be the first one to admit I've done absolutely nothing noteworthy this game

which is why I keep coming back to this post and this "strong confident town read"
In post 423, GuiltyLion wrote:I think I'm most strongly town reading Dann and Amrun.
Because I just don't understand why it exists at this point in the game
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Post Post #901 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:49 am

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In post 616, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 557, Fishy Logic wrote:VOTE: GL
choo choo
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why did you go from townreading me in to voting me?

who are your townreads??

alright here's where I'm at after having caught up and thought for a minute or two

I think QC is just scum and that's why this game state is stagnating. I think FL makes a lot of sense as a partner. I didn't like FL's engagement with RC a few pages back. I think Amrun is town and Lovebird and RC are town. I think Dann is likely town but if FL is town he'd be my most likely PoE candidate.

VOTE: Quantifiable Conundrum
Also, at risk of GL complaining that I'm looking for reasons to push him, I don't find this post genuine. GL had FL as his top scum read since the beginning of the game, yet suddenly he pivots to voting QC despite spending the majority of this post pressing FL. I don't understand the thought process behind dropping his push on FL in favor of QC... because the game state is stagnating?
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Post Post #902 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:50 am

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In post 899, Amrun wrote:Definitely wouldn’t have let Dann sweet talk me into taking off my tinfoil about RC if I was scum with RC. Just sayin.
That's fair, I don't see that interaction as SvS
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Post Post #905 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:53 am

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I think it's just as simple as GL/QC

Well, simple from my PoV

The problem is I don't have very compelling reasoning for both of you as to why it's not me

Amrun, I think I can sweet talk you out of your RC scum read again but I don't know how to get you to reconsider your GL top town read
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Post Post #906 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:54 am

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I never voted for QC!

idk if that's evidence for or against me being buddy
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Post Post #908 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:55 am

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I feel like that's evidence against if QC gave up
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Post Post #909 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:56 am

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Amrun, you don't think me and RC can be buddies right?

What does it tell you that I still maintain a strong town read on him?
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Post Post #912 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:59 am

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In post 537, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:Just to make it explicit: I TR RC and TL FL.
GL is back to null, he's been lurking too much.
LB is scum.
All others null.
Feels kinda bad to be doing this because I'm pretty much already set in my solve but I keep finding bad QC / GL interactions

This is after GL calls QC probably the best lynch for the day
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Post Post #919 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:02 am

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okay but like

we're really not lol

like I'm literally saying I think both of you are townier than me

my only concern is making sure I don't get lynched before GL / QC

if one of them flips town then whatever I'm fine losing this game
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Post Post #921 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:03 am

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We're using the duels

we're not gonna lynch
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Post Post #926 (isolation #100) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:08 am

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I feel like I need to do more but I don't know what to do
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Post Post #930 (isolation #101) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:11 am

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I mean, you don't actually have to worry about it because I am town :D
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Post Post #932 (isolation #102) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:11 am

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also I think at this point in a potential 3 way lylo I just vote Amrun over you
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Post Post #934 (isolation #103) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:13 am

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but I'm not interested in lynching you before or during lylo
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Post Post #940 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 am

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In post 937, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 900, Dannflor wrote:I'll be the first one to admit I've done absolutely nothing noteworthy this game

which is why I keep coming back to this post and this "strong confident town read"
In post 423, GuiltyLion wrote:I think I'm most strongly town reading Dann and Amrun.
Because I just don't understand why it exists at this point in the game
why would it exist if I'm scum?

I'm a sucker for your tone I guess, regardless of whatever alignment you are this game
It feels like the type of easy town read scum has because they see someone with above average tone or relatively harmless posting and they think "oh okay that's a good safe town read to have"

like before that point I don't think you'd interacted with me once
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Post Post #941 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 939, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 901, Dannflor wrote:Also, at risk of GL complaining that I'm looking for reasons to push him, I don't find this post genuine. GL had FL as his top scum read since the beginning of the game, yet suddenly he pivots to voting QC despite spending the majority of this post pressing FL. I don't understand the thought process behind dropping his push on FL in favor of QC... because the game state is stagnating?
I was still trying to sort FL with those questions, not "push" them. I didn't want to lynch FL I wanted to lynch QC. FL I repeatedly waffled on and you kept calling that a bad read as well
You had FL in your solve since very early. I guess I don't see the progression of you going from wanting to lynch FL to wanting to sort them.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 938, Amrun wrote:
In post 935, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't think Amrun should just get to mislynch me because she scumreads me when I think I've been objectively obvtown

This is a scummy thing to say.
i think that's a personality read and not an alignment read tbh
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Post Post #945 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:16 am

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In post 250, GuiltyLion wrote:
Quantifiable Conundrum (L-4)
: noone
Not_Mafia (L-1)
: Fishy Logic, Amrun, eth0s
RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, Lovebir
FL/??? is all I got right now
I'm referring to this mostly, GL
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Post Post #948 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:18 am

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In post 946, GuiltyLion wrote:like I literally never voted FL so where are you getting that I wanted to Lynch them before wanting to sort them?

p-edit: that looks like a solve to you??
...yeah?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:19 am

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Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells,
Dannflor, Amrun, GuiltyLion
GL, who is scum if it's not you

because it's not me

I really don't think it's RC

and Amrun is a mutual town read
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Post Post #952 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:20 am

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Like I guess what I'm asking for is something convincing on either RC or Amrun if you're actually town because right now I don't see you as townier than either of them

You're not obligated to do that I guess especially if you think I'm scum but
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Post Post #953 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:21 am

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Wait how does a duel in 4p work
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Post Post #957 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:23 am

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and then Amrun just gave me town points for town reading RC soooo
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Post Post #959 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:25 am

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In post 958, GuiltyLion wrote:@RC - you don't think you'd be able to show why you're town over Dann in 3p, especially if Dann champions my mislynch here?
not if Amrun is set on RC scum
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Post Post #960 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:25 am

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like that's kind of an uphill battle regardless of flips from this point
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Post Post #968 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:35 am

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viewtopic.php?f=57&t=78890

i played singleplayer mafia once
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Post Post #971 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:36 am

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In post 967, GuiltyLion wrote:Dann what are your thoughts on LYLO with you, Amrun, and RC? You said you don't want to lynch RC in LYLO but you also said Amrun is a mutual townread between us. like just assume QC scum flipped and then I town flipped, how would you look back at the interactions between RC/QC and the interactions between RC/Amrun that are playing out right now?
I think RC is townier than Amrun individually

I think RC/QC interactions specifically spew them not partners while Amrun and QC just don't have a lot of interactions to begin with
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Post Post #976 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:41 am

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we could just get the kill QC part over with and make sure we're right on that front first
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Post Post #980 (isolation #118) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:46 am

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yeah it gives me pause that QC isn't here to try and distance as he goes down

instead he's like "everyone is reset to null blah blaH"
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Post Post #981 (isolation #119) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:47 am

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I'll duel QC soon ig unless there are any objections
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Post Post #985 (isolation #120) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:52 am

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tbh why have we collectively cleared Amrun

half my town read is just there because RC said she stepped out of her range or something
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Post Post #987 (isolation #121) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:55 am

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In post 986, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 958, GuiltyLion wrote:I kinda feel like if RC/Amrun were on opposite teams then RC wouldn't townread Amrun
Dann what do you think about this

if town!RC scum!Amrun, why isn't RC picking up on scum!Amrun?

if scum!RC town!Amrun, why is RC townreading Amrun prior to a seemingly inevitable 1v1 with Amrun? I guess he's winning that rn based on your posts but do you think this is the angle he takes to get there?
this is sort of why I was thinking that the only scenario where RC could be scum is a scenario where he's scum with Amrun

I don't really have good answers to either of these questions
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Post Post #990 (isolation #122) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:56 am

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I think an answer to the first one is that both me and you entered the day calling Amrun town and it's kinda hard to see Amrun as scum if both of us enter the day doing that, especially considering RC has had 1 scum in both of us since the start of the game
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Post Post #993 (isolation #123) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:03 am

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In post 991, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that historically my cold state townread is correct.
but then there's this which gives me pause

but if you are town GL

then yes I would say it's Amrun/QC
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Post Post #997 (isolation #124) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:06 am

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HURT: QC

I'm just gonna get this part over with then because I don't feel that we're ever reevaluating this even if it's town
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #125) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:11 am

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what specifically about GL makes you hung up on him being scum

because I keep finding it harder and harder to see
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #126) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:14 am

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yknow the game is over if I just dueled town so maybe I should consider that you're not trolling rnow
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #127) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:17 am

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nah if it's actually gl/rc im not even salty
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #128) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:24 am

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everyone got quiet im scared
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #129) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:24 am

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oh cool
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #130) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:08 am

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gg!
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #131) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:09 am

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you never cased why you weren't SvS with amrun >:(
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #132) » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:32 pm

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I'm so disappointed

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