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ff is more likely town than scum but I wouldn't like be surprised if he was scum
I think this first take was correct.
In post 147, Amrun wrote:Reeks of scum fabricating reads and definitely the worst thing in the game so far.
Why does the stream-of-consciousness change of mind "reek of scum fabricating reads" to you? I'd expect a fabricated scum read to be a lot more solid and deliberated than the wishy-washy jump back and forth RC did there.
In post 149, Amrun wrote:I need to stop making assumptions this game because this is 100% what I thought we would be doing and I’m annoyed NF isn’t dead yet.
It is 100% correct to lynch Not_Mafia first here and deal with QC after. But, why are you annoyed that we're not rushing this phase? There's value in letting the thread breathe for a bit.
The part I specifically did not like is calling post #93 town and then not knowing who he townread out of the pair. Like... wouldn’t it be ... the author of post 93?!
But actually in hindsight, scum would probably be more composed in that situation, so I concede your point.
As for not rushing this phase, I don’t see why it matters either way, since it doesn’t end the day. But in that post, I didn’t mean I was annoyed that the phase wasn’t ended. I don’t care about that. I was annoyed that there doesn’t seem to be an immediate consensus that we are making the obviously correct play.
Oh okay, I see where your incredulousness comes form. But yeah I would still argue that a scum player, particularly one with as much experience as RC, would be more consistent in his read. In general, I think scum tend to be more consistent in their reads than town.
RC certainly has the skill to fake the stream-of-consciousness in order to town tell, but I think that's unlikely due to his recent apathy towards playing scum.
It's the correct play to lynch NM first regardless of either of their alignments just because we can't let NM live and also be sure that we'll always have total control over every duel. A no-lynch also isn't possible without running out the deadline, I believe, which would be very bad. My vote is spiritually on NM but I think there's some value in getting a little more discussion in before any flips occur at all. pedit: I think getting people's reads before either of the duel pair flip is important.
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also not really relevant to anything but I have a town lean on eth0s
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Post #322 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:54 am
Postby Dannflor »
I'm not caught up with the thread but I checked the duels because I saw it mentioned on this page and it's not hard to check the mod's ISO
my opinion of the duel targets is that they are both town (RC and eth0s)
I thought that was implied by saying it was a terrible duel
I'm purposefully not going to give much content until I can read up and give my full attention and energy to this game because I prefer to play mafia in a way where I can put in maximum effort
In post 322, Dannflor wrote:I thought that was implied by saying it was a terrible duel
If you aren't caught up how do you know the duels are terrible?
Because I think it's TvT... As I've just stated. They were quite literally both my first two town reads of the game. Maybe I'll change my mind on catching up but that was my initial reaction on seeing that duel.
I'll try to do more than a "glorified prodge" tonight if I'm still feeling good.
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Post #329 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:40 am
Postby Dannflor »
But yeah, I'm probably voting eth0s in this duel because in a situation where I town read you both I think you're more valuable ultimately—sorry eth0s.
QC, you keep repeating this line but I don't see these contributions to the game. I'm also not sure what about that duel was taking so much of your time to address. You completely ignore the largest broader game related thing going on in RC vs. eth0s until the duel starts and then push RC as a maybe policy lynch?
Can you elaborate on why you're town reading eth0s? Also, why weren't you interested in why eth0s suddenly started hard town reading you in #225?
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Post #340 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:03 pm
Postby Dannflor »
In post 189, eth0s wrote:And in regards to what you said on me sorting QC: at the risk of digging myself into a hole I would like to clarify that I don't TR qc. Yes I do TL him but in no way did I mean to imply that I have a confident read on his alignment.
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Post #357 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:02 pm
Postby Dannflor »
In post 349, Quantifiable Conundrum wrote:Yeah, I didn't react at the time and I won't now. That's not abnormal. Most people don't really react to TR's on themselves. Not sure what you're trying to get at with this.
It just came out of the blue and it's something you don't question at all, which I feel like you would do if you wanted to sort eth0s?
I'm not necessarily looking for a "reaction," I just want to know what you think about it.
This progression is garbage as well. What wishy washy mess. You called 93 specifically a towny post and then reverse your position twice in the next few posts. Reeks of scum fabricating reads and definitely the worst thing in the game so far.
I literally hadn't noticed, I didn't read any of the thread.
Please vote for no lynch guys, I think this whole thing was just an (admittedly dumb) joke, and this is TvT.
Still, if you want to policy lynch someone for dueling someone who literally hasn't posted yet, I understand.
Man I think this is a scum response
Aaand RC immediately goes against his own self admitted optimal play
In post 171, Amrun wrote:And fwiw I feel better about ethos now.
In post 288, Amrun wrote:For this one going to have to go with who has a higher likelihood to flip scum.
VOTE: ethos
Amrun, you go from apparently scum reading RC, to "feeling better" about eth0s and then voting eth0s with no explanation. Where do you stand on RC right now? What made you decide eth0s had a higher likelihood to flip scum?
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Post #362 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:20 pm
Postby Dannflor »
Can one of the people scum reading Fishy Logic succinctly case why? A lot of what I've read about that scum read feels to me like personalities clashing over anything else, but maybe my lack of presence here has tainted that view.
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Post #367 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:31 pm
Postby Dannflor »
I see. How strong is your town read on RC now?
Also, where do you look if eth0s flips town?
You've listed eth0s/QC and eth0s/FL as possible teams. Are these strictly team reads or do you have a strong individual scum read on one or both of those two slots?
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Post #376 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:56 pm
Postby Dannflor »
man if you're gonna play anti-town by accusing people of gamethrowing for pursuing scum reads and not elaborating on reads out of obstinance I feel like you have to kinda expect to get lynched
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Post #481 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:06 pm
Postby Dannflor »
RC's solve are the two lowest posters which I wouldn't be too surprised if exactly correct just because of how weird the game state has been since the start of the game. Especially if QC is town, then we've probably had two TvT duels in a row which means scum haven't been obligated to do anything.
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Post #577 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Postby Dannflor »
rc i was literally not home all day and yes I am going to post somewhere where I have to do 0 reading when I have a few seconds as opposed to somewhere where I have to do reading