Micro 905: High Noon (GAME TERMINATED)

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't you fucking dare go into tomorrow lynch 1/2 GL/Dann and then say well his reads are wrong and start questioning my townreads because of it

[RadiantCowbells]

If this makes 3 way you can do whatever

If I'm wrong up to there you're released

But don't turn on QC and whoever the weaker players are because they're not being as artificially Towny and reasonable as the better players

[RadiantCowbells]

You should still lynch QC in that 3 way imo but you don't have to treat it as a moral imperative. You are gamethrowing if you bring GL/Dann into lylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

don't turn on QC and whoever the weaker players are because they're not being as artificially Towny and reasonable as the better players

[RadiantCowbells]

If you got lynched and flipped town I would be speedlynched

But you're not even pushing a lynch on me, are you? You're trying to rush the easiest wagon through so that you can NK me to shut me up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like the only way you get a lynch on me is by flipping town

I can easily mislynch you as scum, yes. But I will die for it so why am I doing it the day before LyLo when town can hold me accountable as opposed to on LyLo?

I'm not even using this as an argument for why I'm town, you are just scum and need to die

[RadiantCowbells]

If you guys don't see that she's scum here I'm not sure what more I can do for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

whee it's ~are see paranoia~ time

[RadiantCowbells]

If you're that scared of my scum game you don't decide to lynch my fucking scumbuddy as opposed to going after me

And I'm obvtown this game regardless

[RadiantCowbells]

In the sense that it's an easier lynch to get and you can kill me tonight anyways yes it does.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're clearly not trying to lynch me.

If you were you'd be voting me not trying to rush a lynch on lynchbait

[RadiantCowbells]

Townpost btw

[RadiantCowbells]

lol we will try to do it

[RadiantCowbells]

owo uwu e_e

[RadiantCowbells]

nalihoto ind33d

[RadiantCowbells]

-go ahead-

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh no

Why? I promise I'm playing towny, and not like when I'm scum.

:V

[RadiantCowbells]

That really reads like an effort to spew Dannflor not buddy.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel super guilty for scumreading Dann but he's scum right

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't want to scumread anyone

[RadiantCowbells]

Why am I scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't even want to lynch RC today

That's the point .png

[RadiantCowbells]

Then why are you pushing not me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Everything that you're doing falls apart when you're trying to push an easy mislynch instead of going after me when you're scumreading me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you think he would know you’re town

Do you think your play should be town read or do you expect him to be magic

You reading what he says? He always reads me right, town and scum.

Okay so why shouldn't they lynch you today

Then Lynch me if you're town

Why should they go fuck off and lynch a scummy newbie?

[RadiantCowbells]

And like I literally had to prompt you to bring any of that up, so.

If you were town you'd be voting me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everything that you're doing falls apart when you're trying to push an easy mislynch instead of going after me when you're scumreading me.

I'm also scumreading qc. How does it fall apart?

Lynching QC does nothing at all if I'm scum because I'll still walk to endgame since everyone townreads me.

You're calling me scum to discredit my read on you but still trying to push through an easy mislynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I need to cite like 3 dozen examples of scum making this same argument in games with me to continue pushing their designated mislynched instead of engaging with my push on them to get Lovebird lynched?

Like I've been here ad infinitum and had to explain it as infinitum, I can show you that the "RC is scum but I want to push this easy lunch" thing comes from scum in this position every time

[RadiantCowbells]

This really isn't complicated.

[RadiantCowbells]

GL would be so easy for me to lynch lol

I could literally lynch anyone in this game including FL and Amrun

Why is scum me going after you today instead of tomorrow

[RadiantCowbells]

I was only voting GL for like 2 pages and I had a vote and Dannflor agreeing with me that he was scummy. I literally just needed one other person to vote.

So, no. And GL wasn't contesting his lunch anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok sure

But you're gonna flip scum

[RadiantCowbells]

That's 3 yes

After 2 pages.

But okay you're not actually doing anything besides wasting my time rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

You haven't even voted me, so no.

[RadiantCowbells]

None if you hammer Lovebird

[RadiantCowbells]

Partner is in GL/Dann

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah if you're town you don't just decide to rush the easy lynch instead of going after me and everyone in this game has played with me enough to know that

[RadiantCowbells]

Flipping QC town or scum does nothing to help you with me who would be your priority if you were scum.

It would be super easy for me to brush off your NK as 'lol well she played well and killed scum so they got rid of her since conftown' then I can easily Lynch GL off of bad associations with QC, Dannflor probably, then idk. Hard 3 way by doable.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK. Let's see if that happens. You enjoy a challenge, right?

As scum sure

As town I want the cleanest scum lynches I can get

[RadiantCowbells]

Also you've made literally 0 consideration of the possibility that scum is anything besides the two of us which isn't town at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

You could if you were town selfhammer and scream to the rooftops about how RC is the obvious scummy mc scum scumz and everyone must duel him in their first post

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just staying the course.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm claiming scum yet you're going after the weakest player in the lobby.

[RadiantCowbells]

You could if you were town selfhammer and scream to the rooftops about how RC is the obvious scummy mc scum scumz and everyone must duel him in their first post

Did it work for ethos?

Eth0s died calling me town unless you forgot.

[RadiantCowbells]

I DO think you're town and I do respect your gamesolving skills. Is part of the reason that I didn't really fight anything once the duel went down because I knew my words would mean little to everyone else and think that town!you will do better in this game than town!me would.

Literally Ethos last words on me so idk why you're trying to use him against me

[RadiantCowbells]

I wanted to quickhammer QC.

I mean

I do believe this and I think 'not voting' isn't the best logic

[RadiantCowbells]

Scumreading a slot for sitting out of two TvT duels isn't a bad scumread.

[RadiantCowbells]

You've literally quoted a single post of meta from a previous game five different times pushing the same lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

What are you writing your paper on

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not gonna talk more about RC for now.

Like...

Think about whether this attitude comes from someone who needs me to get lynched after QC or from someone who knows that after QC flips town I'm getting nightkilled.

This isn't hard.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you want?

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought you made an honest effort.

[RadiantCowbells]

Quantifiable Conundrum (L-2)

: Amrun, GuiltyLion

Lovebird (L-1)

: Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells, Dannflor

Guilty Lion(L-3)

: Fishy Logic

Lovebird

If you feel like I won the 1v1 because of username burden of proficiency you're wrong. It was really obvious when you kept going after QC. You should have kept your read on me indeterminate

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, I thought you were scumclaiming not last ditch AtEing

Carry on then

[RadiantCowbells]

are sea l

[RadiantCowbells]

Man I have had no energy as scum for most of the last year. I wouldn't have 250 posts as scum. It's a fairly well known fact that I can't play to this meta as scum and if I was lying about that I certainly wouldn't burn that meta right before team mafia when this ought to have been a trivial game with 2 town dead instantly

Can we just hammer Lovebird

[RadiantCowbells]

Thank Annie

[RadiantCowbells]

GL Dann

CaPiTaL cItY

[RadiantCowbells]

GG. Town.

You win this one, RC.

Is this gg town or Gg, town

[RadiantCowbells]

You get what I'm asking

[RadiantCowbells]

That could go either way

I guess I'll wait for the mod.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your partner is one of them

[RadiantCowbells]

I still think you played well

[RadiantCowbells]

Can you just claim instead of being cryptic

Like it doesn't help town to conceal your scumflip through twilight

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok then.

I tried.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhhh

Either GL/QC or GL/Dann or something

I guess this is what town gets when people policy scumread me over bullshit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Core townreads are still right.

Lovebird I am still going to get nightkilled, you're an idiot.

[RadiantCowbells]

At this point there's no reason to duel anyone
Yes I'm talking to you Amrun but also everyone else

I didn't read overnight and am not going to right now

I'll be useful tomorrow

[RadiantCowbells]

No one is ignoring QC scum

I am literally the only person in this game who has townread him ever

[RadiantCowbells]

I went into today thinking it was Dann/GL

this isn't quite what I was expecting from that

not sure if I think it literally makes it impossible

[RadiantCowbells]

I was expecting to be dueled by now tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm glad I'm not don't get me wrong

Just like idk

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't feel like sorting people pretending to be town right now

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just going to towncase myself

[RadiantCowbells]

does anyone even care why I say I'm town?

[RadiantCowbells]

wow The Great RC wasn't nightkilled after pushing two mislynches

like you thought that me being town even in this situation I'm just a beyond a shadow of a doubt nightkill? Everything changed when I didn't die

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm tired

I wouldn't be ~the way I am~ in this game if I were scum

QC from your point of view if you're town I should be clearer than from anyone elses because it would have been trivial to let Lovebird lynch you and then lynch her today for it and the fact that you're turning on me doesn't give me any good feelings about your slot

My scum play to avoid BoP this year has pretty consistently to let town mislynch each other while I pushed my 'deepwolf reads' but wait to kill those deepwolf reads until too late in the game for town to react to their townflips. If you think that I'm scum I deliberately dueled Eth0s to have an excuse to avoid the nightkill, I wouldn't then also shit lynch Lovebird when I could have lynched essentially anyone and fmpov it's kind of obvious that QC/me isn't a thing?

Amrun you just finished a game with me and you know that I was trying to meticulously plan our associatives. Do you really think that I interact with a partner the way I interacted with QC?

Like fmpov town should be more concerned with me that I was holding QC around so that you could all mislynch him in lylo a la Gameshow Mafia but no one has even brought it up?

[RadiantCowbells]

I can look a hell of a lot townier on the things that I can control as scum this game but I can't fake the level of investment/engagement into the game and if I were capable of faking it, I wouldn't waste it on this game with TM coming up where as town at least I plan to use it as a buffer

[RadiantCowbells]

I can quote dozens of town games where I say that I can't accurately replicate this playstyle as scum. Even in my dominating scum performances this year I haven't tried to replicate it, I've been more focus fire-y and just efficient at making the correct mislynches. Look at the way I change my reads in this game compared to my relatively static reads in Dayvig where even in a super townsided setup I won easily by doing a good job of what I am good at, ie faking accurate read progressions and controlling the gamestate.

This isn't what my scum games look like

[RadiantCowbells]

Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells,
Dannflor, Amrun, GuiltyLion

I think 1/2 of GL Dann is scum and 1/2 of QC Amrun is scum

And I currently have a stronger read in the former category

[RadiantCowbells]

Based on my recent finished scumgame with Amrun she is way way townier than she was there but I'm not sure to what extent she was just not efforting there because ~getting bussed~

It's just hard to convince myself that in a gamestate where every slot is trying to lynch one person besides me that person is flipping scum

[RadiantCowbells]

The other thing is that both Dann and GL are

Actually I guess they could just see my slot as an easy lynch in 3 way on account of bad QC associatives and they don't want to arouse my ire early and create a "lynch me then him" situation

[RadiantCowbells]

This gamestate would be a lot easier to figure out if it didn't feel like scum were playing very cards face down

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh yeah that's not a towntell at all tbh

Everyone's clearing Amrun and she is 100% on lynching me before endgame if QC flips scum

There's no reason not to be going after the other in Dann/GL

[RadiantCowbells]

But does it actually rule out Dann/GL

[RadiantCowbells]

Amrun's town just based off of the way everyone's interacting with her and the way the gamestate is

like regardless of which of Dann/GL or Dann/QC or QC/GL it is

[RadiantCowbells]

Which feels a little better

[RadiantCowbells]

Well not so great given her read on me but

[RadiantCowbells]

Man you are not giving me any way of seeing it if you're town Dannflor. You've done virtually nothing this game, you're not even a deepwolf you're a kiddie pool wolf atm.

If you're town you gotta shape up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it's time for me to take a step back and for others to come forward and we'll see what strikes me in the moment I guess.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyone really.

[RadiantCowbells]

Spicy takes boring takes whatever this game has a dearth of content.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can case why I'm not SvS with Amrun specifically if you're interested.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think that me/Amrun is likely

Or is it just the only pairing that isn't hard poed out

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh

I'm finding it harder to case our interactions as not SvS as opposed to just her being town. Although I doubt she'd have 180ed on me as obviously as she did with the Eth0s situation if we were buddies and there'd frankly be no reason to.

[RadiantCowbells]

If it's Amrun QC I just walked into a lylo where both of the other town were shading me and townlocking scum so idrc

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw

QC totally stopped effort posting besides to push on LB at some point

I think it's really obvious that if he's scum scum was pushing them not defending them

[RadiantCowbells]

I've gutread GL/Dann as 1/2 scum since like super early

Pretty sure that read is right at this point

[RadiantCowbells]

Amrun if I post links to past games where I reference that I struggle to maintain activity and emulate my read transitions as town will you read it? I think you're right on QC but

Like I'm back to townreading you and it's autowin if you can figure out that I'm town

[RadiantCowbells]

Not autowin we still need to hit scum.today I guess

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like I'm good at self spewing town

But you have to be open to townreading me

[RadiantCowbells]

w/e

If Dann is defending me I'm fine saying that you're only lynching 1 of the 2 of us and GL always goes

If you think I'm more scum than Dann and we lose because of that that's not on me at all

[RadiantCowbells]

Is that really what you take away from this

[RadiantCowbells]

I have 4 times the posts I did last game and between the townsidedness of the setup and enjoying wolfing with you I was essentially playing at the peak of what my scum investment / engagement is going to look like

I just want to lynch QC, see who gets NK, and re-eval tomorrow.

There's no nightkill

[RadiantCowbells]

There's duels day 2 as well

There are literally no more nightkills this game

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess I believe you now when you say that your 'slip' last game regarding the dayvig wasn't actually AI lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Im like

Deciding how hard I want to argue with Amrun about her read on me vs you

[RadiantCowbells]

I really feel like if ppl in this game knew me better I'd be clear hands down

[RadiantCowbells]

I would not let myself be dragged away from 3 houses to post 310 times as scum fuck that noise

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah but that's what scum you would say

And in the long run accepting being a mislynch before LyLo once means that town are going to expect me to do it in the future when they're paranoiaing me and that hurts my winrate as both alignments

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think Amrun should just get to mislynch me because she scumreads me when I think I've been objectively obvtown

[RadiantCowbells]

but I'm not interested in lynching you before or during lylo

That's not what it's about

It's the principle of the thing

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think Amrun should just get to mislynch me because she scumreads me when I think I've been objectively obvtown

This is a scummy thing to say.

No, it's not.

You just don't understand me.

Like you literally just saw me as scum and you can't tell the difference between me playing the field and me honestly trying to solve the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like it's really not that hard to read me as scum
I say things that get me townread. I don't say things that don't. Easy.
I don't say shit that I know is going to piss you off here if I'm scum because I need you to townread me then I'll call you out for it in postgame.

Like it's not an arcane science

[RadiantCowbells]

Like the best reason to scumread me last game was me lurking instead of calling Dongempire on his shit. You're scumreading me for doing the opposite of that

Do you really think you would have scumread me if you were town last game, Amrun?

[RadiantCowbells]

. If Amrun/RC are both town I trust them to Lynch Dann in 3p, i

Amrun has literally repeatedly expressed the sentiment that I should die over anyone else in 3p

How do you think this

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC - you don't think you'd be able to show why you're town over Dann in 3p, especially if Dann champions my mislynch here?

That's not how the game works when you're me

I'm already transparently town

I've made decisions that scum me would never make
I have associations with scum!QC that scum me would never have and she has literally first-hand experience with me micromanaging our associatives together to spew me town
I have played in pretty much the only manner that I can't fake as scum and I did so without being forced to it immediately before team mafia where presumably if I'm lying about my scum meta I plan to blow it

People don't care if I'm town or not. I'm RC and they're paranoid and if they lynch me they think everyone's going to respect them, who cares if someone else is objectively scummier?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I think I even at some point literally said that QC is a better four way lunch. Why the fuck would I be that obvious about my partner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if I'm going to be scumread for being good scum when I'm obvtown I should get a license to be townread for having to be playing like a complete fucking moron as scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Fuck towns

[RadiantCowbells]

Mafia would be a lot more fun as a single player game

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sick of having to be the tough guy all the fucking time, would be nice if I could play a game without getting scumread over shit when I'm obvtown ever.

[RadiantCowbells]

Something something can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into unless lolRC I'll be a hero if I lynch him as scum counts as a 'reason'

[RadiantCowbells]

I wish my teams in mafia as town actually wanted to be a team instead of a bunch of individuals more interested in pushing their pet scumread than winning the game consistently

[RadiantCowbells]

Quantifiable Conundrum, Radiant Cowbells,
Dannflor, Amrun, GuiltyLion

QC is clearly antispewing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw

Another fantastic reason to townread me

I'm the only one at all interested in keeping him alive

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I even think there's some merit to the argument that I kept my buddy alive to lunch him in 5 way to argue "oh that's why didn't die" and get towncred there but if he was in antispew mode I'd be reaping towncred from the lynch instead of flailing getting frustrated and generally having a bad time

[RadiantCowbells]

I refuse to duel QC on principle

Someone else is welcome to though.

[RadiantCowbells]

That is not what I would have my scumbuddy do

And that's what pretty much everyone else in this game would have their scumbuddy do btw

[RadiantCowbells]

My not dueling on principle is because I think there's a non zero chance Amrun gets salty at me for something I said on the last page and voted me anyway btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't clear Amrun because of me

A large part of me wants to call her scum right now but I think that historically when I read transition in response to situations where I'm emotionally frustrated I end up being wrong and I was townreading her earlier so whatever.

I'm tired.

[RadiantCowbells]

I cannot give a useful read on her right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that historically my cold state townread is correct.

[RadiantCowbells]

That said Amrun/QC checks a LOT of boxes

Amrun's overreaction to the duel makes sense as scum with a partner in it
Amrun's brazenness going after me/QC makes sense if one of us is her buddy
Amrun's pivot on me makes sense if I'm the only one townreading her buddy

I need to find the emotional appeal I townread

[RadiantCowbells]

Right now I would say in a heartbeat I give Dann the win over Amrun but I'm not sure if that's just general saltiness

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not scum without QC.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not scum with QC either but

[RadiantCowbells]

GL is Amrun your buddy

[RadiantCowbells]

Man it's GL/Amrun

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok

[RadiantCowbells]

Preemptive VOTE: QC

[RadiantCowbells]

Mostly the things he posted in our scum PT seem like the kind of things scum would post

[RadiantCowbells]

Also the OP where the mod told me he was scum with me

I don't think the mod would do that if he wasn't scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Also the OP where the mod told me he was scum with me

I don't think the mod would do that if he wasn't scum

There's no rule against claiming scum with someone right

[RadiantCowbells]

(it's not)

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to take a break from the thread assuming QC flips scum and try to reread Amrun from a neutral PoV

[RadiantCowbells]

You should vote QC Amrun

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw

I twice accidentally posted stuff meant for my 906 scum PT with Amrun into our scum PT for this game

[RadiantCowbells]

It was fun!

Honestly I preferred this because I ended up getting to actually play scum in s way I haven't for a while.

[RadiantCowbells]

Any posts in dead or mod PT?

Fine to release scum PT

[RadiantCowbells]

It's okay.

I've been sort of trying to do the absolute minimum in my scum games so that I can have a range where I'm like yeah this makes me town but it hasn't helped. People still scumread me no matter what, only now I have no fun as scum because I'm always worried that if I do X it'll hurt me as town in the future.

I did rly good as town this year semi freed from being scumread for idiotic reasons, I'm ready to go back to trying as both alignments

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't

[RadiantCowbells]

The game was modded wrong btw

It was suppose to be 2 lunches nk 2 lunches nk etc

There's a reason the game says it's a take on double day

I didn't correct you because I thought it would be more fair to town if they had to vs me to give them that advantage

[RadiantCowbells]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Unlimited

[RadiantCowbells]

Although even with only one nightkill the setup is 22/36 a scum win so

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I was right about amrun scum and right that rc wasnt really scumreading me so I'm okay with these flips tbh

Take what I said to heart about the way you dealt with my slot giving me the opportunity to mislynch you for free as scum and bring highly liable to tilt or frustrate me as town. It was a no win situation.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great being scum with you Amrun, gg

[RadiantCowbells]

The win feels so empty

Even when I effort as scum and win it feels so devoid of meaning. I need a break.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, my point is that you can’t go on and on in multiple games about how your meta is way more checked out as scum recently then low effort here and not expect me to think that’s a valid reason to SR you

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll win next one, RC.

Good luck

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sorry to disappoint

But I lied about it to try to fake a towntell

Pls forgive me