Micro 903: Reverse Jester Nightless! (Game Over)

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

[eth0s]

first
VOTE: Korina

VOTE: Korina

this is the scumteam

[eth0s]

the problem is the jester will claim maf lol

[eth0s]

so functionally the game looks something like this right?

a survivor that needs to make it to D4, a team of 2 jesters with a PT, and a town that wants to lynch in the order of survivor>town, basically?

[eth0s]

That's not like 100% accurate but I'm trying to think about the roles without giving myself a headache

[eth0s]

korina are you scum

[eth0s]

ok i believe you

[eth0s]

i think the scum might not like that idea. seems risky because if the jester doesnt get lynched they just lose

[eth0s]

it's basically trading a real game of mafia for a chance (a good one to be fair but still a chance) at a free win. Also a chance at a free lose

[eth0s]

?

[eth0s]

What if i'm scum disagreeing and the plan is working

[eth0s]

so if you think im scum your plan is to lynch me to progress my wincon?

[eth0s]

[eth0s]

I could see mumu jester

[eth0s]

I'm the jester

[eth0s]

Mumu do I know who you are? I think I know who you are. I like you. Keep up the quality posts.

VOTE: dunnstral I'm probably falling for a trap and voting scum but YOLO

[eth0s]

Hello

[eth0s]

VOTE: the worst

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

[eth0s]

Can we prod

the jester

not_mafia

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

Please don't be a useless naked self voting sack, provide content please!

VOTE: mumu

[eth0s]

VOTE: no lynch I think this is the best course of action as it furthers my wincon. Thank you for understanding.

[eth0s]

Mod doesnt want to see me succeed smh
UNVOTE:

[eth0s]

Okay honestly I feel bad for subjecting Dunnstral to this game. Hardclaim jester, just lynch me and win the game.

[eth0s]

I have a spicy gamesolve but I'm only spilling the beans if we lynch me

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

[eth0s]

VOTE: dunnstral

[eth0s]

VOTE: dunnstral

This is probably scum but we should lynch it anyway

[eth0s]

I'm jester you idiots

There can only be one

[eth0s]

VOTE: RooRoo

Guys, let's quicklynch this!
Dunnstral is scum

you think dunnstral and I are a scumteam?

[eth0s]

He might be jester tho who knows

take a risk

sweep me off my feet

tie the rope

[eth0s]

it's my scumday hang me please

rooroo please

[eth0s]

VOTE: dunnstral

[eth0s]

VOTE: rooroo

I'm not happy about this

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

[eth0s]

VOTE: mumu

VOTE: mumu

Gamma, Dunn are also good votes. After D4, we can lynch eth0s.

what differentiates me from rooroo

[eth0s]

VOTE: mumu

VOTE: mumu

Gamma, Dunn are also good votes. After D4, we can lynch eth0s.

what differentiates me from rooroo

You’ve made some posts that are questionable but I liked your Dunn vote, so I dunno.

Dunn is probably scum though

[eth0s]

It was tonal things I remembered having an issue with but after re-reading their posts I think the slot is town. I forgot that they were on both korina and dunnstral lynches.

[eth0s]

I could definitely see scum on korina lynch but I find it significantly less likely that they would be on both lynches. Maybe one scum would do it for "deepwolf" sake but idk

[eth0s]

It was tonal things I remembered having an issue with but after re-reading their posts I think the slot is town. I forgot that they were on both korina and dunnstral lynches.

korina and rooroo fml

[eth0s]

I think N_M/Chennis is T/J..

or maybe S/J but idunno. I think one of them is jester

[eth0s]

? You've voted me numerous times this game

What's your point?

[eth0s]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think chennis is more likely to be scum out of the two

[eth0s]

How do we solve this game

I think VCA and luck

and I'm pretty sure I've got jester narrowed down to 2 people

thoughts?

[eth0s]

chennis or N_M

[eth0s]

I mean I think it's T/T or T/J so I think lynching there is good. And I think chennis has more scum equity out of the two if I'm wrong about it being T/T or T/J so idk why anyone has a problem with what I'm saying.

[eth0s]

VCA

[eth0s]

its really weird that i can spend the vast majority of the game just messing around and then when I try to actually present reads, everyone starts calling me scummy

really not sure what to make of that

btw im 1000% sure gamma knows that my scumplay is not nearly that surface level so I'm heavily leaning not town on that slot

[eth0s]

That's because your stated reads don't match your actions in this game

how not? I mean other than calling you scum while voting you. but ddxm actually liked that for some reason

[eth0s]

That's because your stated reads don't match your actions in this game

how not?

I mean other than calling you scum while voting you

. but ddxm actually liked that for some reason

What? Why would town!you vote for scum? That’s 100% contrary to a town wincon.

Lynching scum makes the chances of achieving parity all that much harder.

I'm saying me voting someone that I called scum doesn't match a towny mindset.. being that was the 1 thing I've done so far that shouldn't be seen as townie

[eth0s]

Could it be that eth0s is just being bad town here, playing suboptimally because he is misunderstanding the most effective route for town to achieve their wincon?

HINT: it isn’t lynching scum. We help scum by voting them. If you’re town here who honestly believes Dunn is scum, then stop freaking voting him.

I know how the setup works. You are massively misunderstanding my posts I think.

[eth0s]

its really weird that i can spend the vast majority of the game just messing around and then when I try to actually present reads, everyone starts calling me scummy

really not sure what to make of that

btw im 1000% sure gamma knows that my scumplay is not nearly that surface level so I'm heavily leaning not town on that slot

Why should Gamma be especially knowledgeable about your scumplay?

because he modded MMRT

[eth0s]

its really weird that i can spend the vast majority of the game just messing around and then when I try to actually present reads, everyone starts calling me scummy

really not sure what to make of that

btw im 1000% sure gamma knows that my scumplay is not nearly that surface level so I'm heavily leaning not town on that slot

Why should Gamma be especially knowledgeable about your scumplay?

Since you never sr him for putting you at L-1 in Forrest Fire, I’m assuming you were either buddies or scum in a very recent game where he was town. You need to link this game, so those of us unfamiliar with the “complexity” of your scumplay can determine that for ourselves and please this time, actually link the actual game and not your ISO. I’m asking nicely.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80648

[eth0s]

I've also rolled town in completed games with gamma recently and he always reads me wrong so I don't understand why he thinks I'm scum this time

[eth0s]

Well I guess in new beginnings he didnt really read me wrong that I remember. He also died way before me

[eth0s]

ddxm calling me scum and then saying we should lynch the exact two people I said we should lynch is ??? and picking the one I said is scummier of the two compounds the ???

if chennis flips scum we never lynch ddxm

[eth0s]

its really weird that i can spend the vast majority of the game just messing around and then when I try to actually present reads, everyone starts calling me scummy

really not sure what to make of that

btw im 1000% sure gamma knows that my scumplay is not nearly that surface level so I'm heavily leaning not town on that slot

Why should Gamma be especially knowledgeable about your scumplay?

because he modded MMRT

Just because U mod a game doesn’t mean I paid much attention to the play
And I think you should have good idea of how much I would have gotten out of that wrt your scumplay by thinking about how much schadd_ did there

What really amuses me the most about this, is that eth0s still has no clue how to read me. I said to lynch Chenn and Dunn NOT me for the win, eventhough the result would probably be the same.

I mean... if your scumbuddy flips you would probably not want it to look like you were planning to flip them and yourself...

[eth0s]

idk what to think about ddxm but I am in fact a good lynch so lets do it

[eth0s]

Town

: Not_Mafia, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald

Scum

: Mumu, Chennisden

Jester

: eth0s

Not_Mafia is likely town because of 1) his claim that "this setup doesn't work", and 2) his vote patterns before D3.
Gamma's posting looks townie to Nancy.
Mumu and Chennisden are continually voting for each other, check out their ISOs - this seems like the only mutual pushing in the game, making them a likely scum pair.
eth0s tunneling Not_Mafia is likely Jester behaviour, and very less likely scum behaviour if Not_Mafia is town.

I think we lynch one of eth0s and Not_Mafia. Not_Mafia seems like a safer vote, but eth0s could give us a win directly if Jester.

VOTE: eth0s

-Auro

I dunno if eth0s is jester or scum but tbh I lean one of the two

yeah totally makes sense that ddxm called me scum and wants to lynch the exact two people I want to lynch

[eth0s]

ok jester

[eth0s]

ddxm's entire stance on sheeping me but also calling me scum is obv not-town

[eth0s]

Literally nothing you have said about me this game makes sense.

[eth0s]

and I definitely don't appreciate the disingenuous shade being casted on me when I'm by far one of the most active posters in this thread. If you're not scum then you have truly played horribly this game and need to completely rethink your stance on me. But you're probably scum so whatever.

[eth0s]

And if you are scum, I see what you're doing. The only problem is you can try to paint me as scum as much as you want, but the fact that you called me scum and sheeped my reads means you will never be lynched. No matter how badly you treat my slot or how illogically you try to push me.

[eth0s]

VOTE: mumu

[eth0s]

fast lynch dunnstral and then I can figure out which one of you two is scum

[eth0s]

VOTE: dunnstral

[eth0s]

solve is probably lynch dunnstral then i vote chen and he self votes for town win. But his play this game is also very poor so I'm not ready to commit to that.

[eth0s]

ddxm wont interact with me without saying things that are blatantly wrong/untrue, probably for the remainder of the game. I'm fine with being the townie we never lynch because no one actually gives a shit about reading my slot

[eth0s]

ddxm calling me scum and then saying we should lynch the exact two people I said we should lynch is ??? and picking the one I said is scummier of the two compounds the ???

if chennis flips scum we never lynch ddxm

however I would love to be humored on how this comes from scum me

[eth0s]

Yeah I mean that thought crossed my mind but I also don't really trust you

ok jester

hehe

[eth0s]

We should discuss what we're doing now and not when we're down to 3 people

I still kind of want to lynch me + DDxM, what is the argument against that?

I don't like how Chenn said I was scum but then dropped it when it looks like he's up to get lynched next, like it doesn't matter anymore

solve is probably lynch dunnstral then i vote chen and he self votes for town win. But his play this game is also very poor so I'm not ready to commit to that.

Are you saying you'll vote between chenn/DDxM, or are you going to want to vote yourself in 3p?

I'm never getting lynched here. What's the point in voting myself ever?

And the argument against ever lynching ddxm is basically my last 20 posts.

[eth0s]

Day 3 begins!

VC 3.0

Not voting (7)- Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia, chennisden, mumu, eth0s, Don Draper x Mistress

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-12-15 14:00:00)

Mod notes:

VOTE: ethos

VOTE: eth0s

VOTE: mumu

VOTE: mumu

Gamma, Dunn are also good votes. After D4, we can lynch eth0s.

what differentiates me from rooroo

You’ve made some posts that are questionable but I liked your Dunn vote, so I dunno.

Dunn is probably scum though

I could definitely see scum on korina lynch but I find it significantly less likely that they would be on both lynches. Maybe one scum would do it for "deepwolf" sake but idk

I think N_M/Chennis is T/J..

or maybe S/J but idunno. I think one of them is jester

? You've voted me numerous times this game

What's your point?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think chennis is more likely to be scum out of the two

I'm looking at this sequence of events at the start of day 3

Why did you think Chennis was more likely to be scum over Not_Mafia

last time I played with him he went above and beyond to townspew. he did none of that this game. Was late on the town wagons and I got the feeling that he was just trying to get himself lynched.

but ddxm has gotten much worse than him with the complete fail logic, and I 99% lynch chennis over ddxm here if the latter doesn't at least start acting like they want to think critically.

[eth0s]

all we need to win at this point is establish 2 never lynches and then town wins. Like I said, I'm fine with being one. I'm the town one but one of chen and ddxm is bullshitting their stance on me. so help me figure out which one it is

[eth0s]

and I definitely don't appreciate the disingenuous shade being casted on me when I'm by far one of the most active posters in this thread. If you're not scum then you have truly played horribly this game and need to completely rethink your stance on me. But you're probably scum so whatever.

Did you not read my post? I said

IF

! Why do you persist in misrepping me? And fyi, stop thinking you even have a clue to correctly read me here or any game for that matter? How many games is it going to seriously take for you to figure that out? Not trying to be offensive or anything but it gets tiring when game after game, the same player still has 0 clue how to freaking read me! Uh.

I've incorrectly read you in all of our completed games, and you've done the same to me. Why should either of us think we are right about each other being scum? This is something

we

need to get to the bottom of.

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

look nancy lets talk this out constructively. I really do want to believe you. Just like I really wanted to in forest fires, and eventually did. If you don't want to rush the phase I'm okay with that but lets figure out why we are so bad at sorting each other.

[eth0s]

And if you are scum, I see what you're doing. The only problem is you can try to paint me as scum as much as you want, but the fact that you called me scum and sheeped my reads means you will never be lynched. No matter how badly you treat my slot or how illogically you try to push me.

Like I already said, if you’re town, we’re fucked and will lose this game, because you won’t realize you’re dead wrong, like in every game about me. And if you’re town and don’t figure that out, I will then rightly be able to refer to your losing us the game with that w word, because if we’re in LYLO, one of the 3 remaining players will obviously be scum and it 100% won’t be me.

I do have one small gripe though. If I never get lynched (like I myself have agreed with) then how is this all my fault? Obviously I've been trying to get lynched all game, which is the end goal of everyone but gamma. But I'm willing to be the townie that never dies. Either you believe I'm that townie or you don't. I have to lynch 2 people that aren't me this game and whoever is left out will obviously be mad at me if town. What am I supposed to do here besides try to find one scum and never lynch them if you and chennis are so adamant that I myself don't get lynched?

[eth0s]

And if you are scum, I see what you're doing. The only problem is you can try to paint me as scum as much as you want, but the fact that you called me scum and sheeped my reads means you will never be lynched. No matter how badly you treat my slot or how illogically you try to push me.

Like I already said, if you’re town, we’re fucked and will lose this game, because you won’t realize you’re dead wrong, like in every game about me. And if you’re town and don’t figure that out, I will then rightly be able to refer to your losing us the game with that w word, because if we’re in LYLO, one of the 3 remaining players will obviously be scum and it 100% won’t be me.

I do have one small gripe though. If I never get lynched (like I myself have agreed with) then how is this all my fault? Obviously I've been trying to get lynched all game, which is the end goal of everyone but gamma. But I'm willing to be the townie that never dies. Either you believe I'm that townie or you don't. I have to lynch 2 people that aren't me this game and whoever is left out will obviously be mad at me if town. What am I supposed to do here besides try to find one scum and never lynch them if you and chennis are so adamant that I myself don't get lynched?

[eth0s]

But I'm willing to be the townie that never dies. Either you believe I'm that townie or you don't.

If we both are town, both of us being 'survivors' is a guaranteed loss.
Can you just concisely tl;dr your concerns with my slot?
Is it the N_M push in D3?

-Auro

When you were feeling uncertain about my alignment but liked my dunnstral vote that I even claimed "could be mafia" I started to get concerned about you. When you said I was probably scum yet wanted to lynch the same 2 people I did, it only got worse. When N_M flipped mafia I realized that I could have set scum!you up quite nicely to lynch your partner and make me look like the scummy one out of it.

But I don't think you would be changing stances on me right now if you didn't genuinely feel different about me now. I still don't know your scum meta, maybe you would. But my point is that it looked like you had a pretty decent shot at winning as scum even with me left alive. As in historically I've tended to read you better as the game goes on, and now that things are finally getting serious I don't think you would really be that worried about me never voting you if you're scum, I think you would continue to leave me alive and try to make me townread you in LYLO. I hope I'm right about that.

[eth0s]

and I definitely don't appreciate the disingenuous shade being casted on me when I'm by far one of the most active posters in this thread. If you're not scum then you have truly played horribly this game and need to completely rethink your stance on me. But you're probably scum so whatever.

Did you not read my post? I said

IF

! Why do you persist in misrepping me? And fyi, stop thinking you even have a clue to correctly read me here or any game for that matter? How many games is it going to seriously take for you to figure that out? Not trying to be offensive or anything but it gets tiring when game after game, the same player still has 0 clue how to freaking read me! Uh.

I've incorrectly read you in all of our completed games, and you've done the same to me. Why should either of us think we are right about each other being scum? This is something

we

need to get to the bottom of.

I don’t think you are anymore. That was the gist of that last post - IF. My point is if you gave up, you’d be essentially scumclaiming but you’re not only playing, you’re okay with never being lynched, so I think you are probably town now. I think it’s between Dunn and Chenn. Both have fooled me before but I was not terribly impressed with Chenn’s catchup but then he tends to tryhard as scum, so dunno.

You see, in my limited experience with chenn, he has obvtowned and spewed hard af as town, and been more lurky and unsure as scum. In the scum game he was a hydra tho which complicates things. And I was also a moderator in that game, not a player. Plus I also incorrectly read him once when he was town. So I really don't know how I feel about him.

the "IF" clarification helps me a lot. Thank you for that. I did feel it was disingenuous at first, but again, I have a history with being wrong about that when it comes to you so I'd rather just believe your intentions are what you say for the sake of my own sanity

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

look nancy lets talk this out constructively. I really do want to believe you. Just like I really wanted to in forest fires, and eventually did. If you don't want to rush the phase I'm okay with that but lets figure out why we are so bad at sorting each other.

We sr each for the wrong reasons, I’m guessing? At any rate, we need to figure out who is more likely to be scum between Dunn and Chenn, before we vote anyone.

can you unvote me then? Idk my gut definitely says chennis is scum over dunn here but I need to look at VCs again to solidify my thoughts

[eth0s]

Though he is lacking in interactions with not mafia, so... maybe not

But if you read my post, I pointed out that he had a 0 path to a scum win and here he is apparently being fine with not being lynched.

And I think scum!eth0s would be far more likely to try to pocket me then sr me but I’ll reread but not having interactions doesn’t necessarily AI. Scum can fake that. NM wasn’t exactly a prolific poster, so it wouldn’t really be all that difficult to not have had any interactions with him.

I kinda feel like the way I've interacted with you in the last couple pages could look like a pocket attempt though? I mean I'm glad you don't think it is one, don't get me wrong. But idk what you would see as a pocket attempt then

[eth0s]

I kinda feel like chenn's recent posting is a last ditch scum effort tbh.

Like idk if I get lynched then chennis is certainly in the list of 2 people I never want to die. Dunn is getting there by poe

[eth0s]

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 which order makes the most sense to lynch in next? I really don't care who gets lynched anymore as long as it's never dunn

[eth0s]

I'll go back to never lynch me too if you guys want. Chenn then nancy or me in lylo?

[eth0s]

chenn can you explain why you felt that I was not town earlier and do the same for your thoughts on scum!dunn earlier?

[eth0s]

ddxm would you agree that there's a chance that chen is scum here

[eth0s]

I think everyone just needs to agree on a lynchpool for today and tomorrow now and then if someone changes their mind to promote their own lynch over someone elses in lylo they're obvscum.

[eth0s]

For instance I will lynch chen and ddxm in any order.

[eth0s]

Like obviously a self vote in lylo might be needed but the L-1 should never be a self vote imo. the person with the least incentive to L-1 someone else in lylo is scum therefore the non-self-vote L-1 should probably just be quick/selfhammered

[eth0s]

Okay, chennis if you can confirm who you're willing to lynch then we can probably just end this phase

[eth0s]

I agree

[eth0s]

I think everyone just needs to agree on a lynchpool for today and tomorrow now and then if someone changes their mind to promote their own lynch over someone elses in lylo they're obvscum.

We need 3 votes to lynch and I’m okay with either you or Chenn. And I’m assuming Chenn feels the same, so I guess what it should probably come down to is who do we want in LYLO with Dunn?

At this point it probably doesn’t matter, since I don’t think anyone is buying what he’s selling, so as long as we never lynch Dunn, I don’t really care.

We should probably take a vote between you, me and Chenn to determine that, I guess.

I don't really care who is in lylo. I trust you the most out of the PL though, so I'd like to be in LYLO if you are. It's like the path of least resistance I guess.

As a result that means if chennis is actually scum we can just get this game over with today and I'll only be medium upset

[eth0s]

Like if it could go {ddxm, me} getting lynched the next 2 days I would feel the safest but I guess I just don't trust chennis to make a vote that I like in LYLO? And truthfully I don't expect dunn to vote anyone but himself in lylo. Weird setup problems I guess.

[eth0s]

I haven't asked anyone to vote me though?

I'd lynch eth0s in lylo for sure, yes

see like
this gives me pause.

But he also hasn't been willing to vote anyone else lately so I feel like it's hogwash. Wouldn't he at least be voting someone (most likely me) at some point this phase if he was okay with lynching me in lylo?

[eth0s]

nevermind dunnstral is voting chenn

[eth0s]

okay ddxm look at it this way. if one of me and chennis have to be scum here who would it be? I have a point to this

[eth0s]

ok so by that logic you would vote me in lylo. I would vote you in lylo. dunn would vote me in lylo so he says. chennis says he votes anyone but dunnstral in lylo (at least implies the lylo part, he never outright specified when). so drawing dunn's alignment further best comes from seeing how he handles a lylo with me in it. It's pretty telling that he's probably scum that he would vote me over chen in lylo (my working theory is it's some AtE play to try and win me back over to lynching him since I have been the only one to show interest in that this phase) but wouldn't vote chen in lylo when he would now.

So I need to be in lylo is what I'm getting at. dunn's logic doesn't make sense from town, but at least he would have to backpedal again to not be okay with lynching me in lylo.

so fmpov even though I trust you most, I think you're the best lynch today because how dunn handles me in lylo tells me FOR SURE which one of chennis and dunn are scum. Thoughts?

[eth0s]

I guess we could also do this instead:

hang town today and whoever they say to lynch is the one that we lynch. period. Because no one will pick dunnstral and then there's at least a conf-town endorsement on the final hang.

[eth0s]

I think eth0s/me or eth0s/Don is ok

No, you want to lynch me too?

I still get to be GOAT right, even if I’m not in LYLO?

if dunnstral is scum you get to be GOAT

or if you're scum

[eth0s]

I guess we could also do this instead:

hang town today and whoever they say to lynch is the one that we lynch. period. Because no one will pick dunnstral and then there's at least a conf-town endorsement on the final hang.

So, I think you and Chennis should optimally vote you then but we’ll win even if it’s the converse. The important thing is that Dunn can’t play you against each other. I was worried that if whomever isn’t Dunn wasn’t tr the other, Dunn could hypothetically force a lynch on himself to avoid a no lynch at deadline.

If this is your final answer and chen agrees to vote me in lylo no matter what then I will do it.

If you change your lynch preference to chen then I agree to vote him in lylo no matter what.

Either way I think it should be a quicklynch in lylo if we play the "lynch conftown endorsement" game. Do you agree?

[eth0s]

Like if we go that route we should treat this as lylo because if ddxm tells me to lynch chen in lylo i will cast the vote as soon as I see the phase start.

[eth0s]

I'm voting chenn and eth0s, end of discussion. If you guys want to throw by voting don draper over yourself then I don't know what to say

that sounds nice and all but why won't you vote chennis in lylo if you'll vote for him now?

[eth0s]

Okay. If chennis agrees to quickvote me in lylo I will cast my vote now.

[eth0s]

now as in when I receive confirmation from chennis

[eth0s]

my point exactly. Which is why I want to be blatantly obvious that not quickvoting your suggestion in lylo is akin to a scum claim.

Like dunnstral may very well cast his vote on your target first, but even if that happens it should be full steam ahead on your target because that's his last resort if he's scum.

[eth0s]

well I guess he can't even do that. anyone can self-vote if at L-1 in lylo and just win lol

[eth0s]

target = the person you tell us to lynch, which, as it stands, is me

[eth0s]

target/suggestion whatever you want to call it

[eth0s]

How am I stalling the game?

[eth0s]

Will you argue with me instead?

[eth0s]

Look, I'll be lynched now if that's what you guys want. But I need the same promise that whoever I say to lynch will be voted next, and quickvoted at that. Everyone seems to agree that chennis should be lynched. And I even agreed to quickvote him after ddxm goes. So if you both agree to quickvote chen in lylo then just lynch me

[eth0s]

like universally no one is opposed to lynching me and chen so no one should have a problem with this.

[eth0s]

Why are you trying to lynch ddxm over yourself?

we had an established plan. They are my top TR therefore I need them dead at some point. What is so hard about that to understand?

[eth0s]

like universally no one is opposed to lynching me and chen so no one should have a problem with this.

And that's why you're stalling the game.

I'm literally waiting on the two current posters to answer me to get this phase over with. As opposed to my earlier "stalling the game" that is me waiting on chennis to answer me? how in the fuck does the burden of stalling fall on me in either of those scenarios?

[eth0s]

neither of you are answering me. will you quickvote chennis in LYLO if I die now. both answer yes = vote me and I selfhammer

[eth0s]

okay. Well theres a new plan. So I need a blatant YES OR NO. from both of you.

@ddxm
@dunnstral

For the third time. YES OR NO, will you quickvote chennisden in lylo if I get lynched now?

[eth0s]

neither of you are answering me. will you quickvote chennis in LYLO if I die now. both answer yes = vote me and I selfhammer

Yes but I’m not voting right now with Dunn trying to create all of this chaos. I will vote what both you and Chenn want. I refuse to allow Dunn to manipulate me.

no buts. If you are okay with lynching me and chennis this game, like you have earlier stated to be, there's no reason you should be opposed to this plan

[eth0s]

Okay we are back to square one on waiting for chen then. I'ma go do other stuff, you two can duke out the game stalling argument if you want

[eth0s]

okay. Well theres a new plan. So I need a blatant YES OR NO. from both of you.

@ddxm
@dunnstral

For the third time. YES OR NO, will you quickvote chennisden in lylo if I get lynched now?

Yes, I already said that but I’m not voting for anyone right now. I will vote what both you and Chenn want. I’m not giving in to scum manipulation.

I mean chennis already said he would vote me multiple times. Obviously he will vote himself in lylo if either of you or dunn vote him in lylo. So how is dunnstral influencing anything?

[eth0s]

But you already agreed to lynch eth0s and chenn, why does it matter if I'm "forcing a lynch"...?

No, seriously. How does it matter?

I think eth0s is succumbing to your attempts at manipulative disruption. Why? Why is eth0s allowing your behaviour to suddenly affect anything?

Maybe I should lynch eth0s then because this really concerns me. I honestly thought he was immune to this but it’s obvious that you are able to still push his buttons and I don’t like it.

You're the one that's changing my mind. Not Dunn. Chen has already stated willingness to lynch me and obviously no one is going to upset about themself dying in lylo. So it makes no sense to not just answer my question with a "yes" if town. Like you can lynch me now and vote chen in lylo and he can just self hammer and presumably win town the game. Why do you need his input there?

[eth0s]

Like if you're town you need to thoroughly read my last post until you understand why it's literally a flawless plan if you're convinced that dunn is the last scum. He already said he will quick vote chen is in lylo. What more do you need?

[eth0s]

Like what do you expect to happen in lylo if my plan goes down? You vote chen and dunnstral says "NO CHEN DONT VOTE YOURSELF VOTE ME" and chen will be like "lol okay why not"? It literally makes no sense

[eth0s]

VOTE: chennisden

[eth0s]

I'm done being in the middle of this

[eth0s]

The only thing the theatrics are changing is you not getting lynched. If me and chen are interchangeable TRs from your perspective then why do you care about anything other then lynching both of us?

[eth0s]

Like you alone have the power right now to lynch me and chen. And you're not using it. Why shouldnt that concern me?

[eth0s]

You wanted to be in lylo. I want you in lylo. I want you to vote your other tr chen there. Then he self votes. Why is that no longer optimal?

[eth0s]

I've said all that I can. If you want to wait for chen then I'll wait for chen.

[eth0s]

I am looking at both sides. I don't like what he's done or your response to it. If you want to wait for chen then wait for chen. I think it's pointless but not a "big fucking deal". I don't think waiting can hurt anything and I guess the pressure dunn was putting on timing did get to me. I will concede that. Like I said I will wait for chen. That's all we can really do without talking in circles.

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

[eth0s]

So it's best for you and chen to be in lylo over dunn even tho you just said dunn may convince you to vote for him over chen? And you're worried about me getting "manipulated"?

Sigh

[eth0s]

In lylo over me*

Tf is going on in this game lol

[eth0s]

All I know is that anyone who switches to voting them self in lylo instead of someone else is highly sus and THAT is the manipulation that matters.

[eth0s]

VOTE: chennisden

[eth0s]

I'm the universal townread. I'm going to lylo.

[eth0s]

We figure out whatever tf is going on here and then I get speed voted in lylo. Literally no perspective should change at all between this phase and next. Lylo should be planned with a quick vote and ddxm wanting to deviate from that is a serious red flag

[eth0s]

I'm UTR. I go to lylo.

[eth0s]

Your recent play is incredibly anti town and I'm not gonna argue with you for 5 pages to get that point across. Plus you're legit threatening to throw the game via no lynch so yeah I'm fine with you being scum now.

[eth0s]

VOTE: dunnstral

[eth0s]

We figure out whatever tf is going on here and then I get speed voted in lylo. Literally no perspective should change at all between this phase and next. Lylo should be planned with a quick vote and ddxm wanting to deviate from that is a serious red flag

How am I doing that? And once again you are dead wrong about me. Maybe I won’t even vote at all because your continued doubting me is really beginning to piss me off.

You already explained how you understood that NOTHING SHOULD CHANGE from this phase to lylo as far as reads go. Lylo lynch should be determined NOW and zero time should be given in lylo for scum to fake the whole "oh I dunno I think I'm wrong about who's scum so let's just vote me instead" scenario that quite frankly looks exactly like what you're doing with dunn and chen right now.

And you're trying to silence me via lynch so I can't be the UTR quick lynch in lylo. You backed yourself into a corner. I no longer will take anything you say as anything other than scum indicative until you unvote me

[eth0s]

You cannot accuse me of game throwing when you are threatening no lynch. Doesnt work like that.

[eth0s]

Your recent play is incredibly anti town and I'm not gonna argue with you for 5 pages to get that point across. Plus you're legit threatening to throw the game via no lynch so yeah I'm fine with you being scum now.

If I’m scum, I can’t win by not voting, can I? Stop being so goddamned dense ffs! God.

By the same logic you cant win as town there either. You know what that's called? Gamethrowing.

[eth0s]

How can you go from basically saying you dont know who is scum out of chen and dunn now to being upset about my dunn vote over a chen vote? Your whole progression here doesnt even make sense.

[eth0s]

If you're town then fucking act like it and actually understand what I'm saying. It's the same situation over again where I'm telling you how what you're doing makes zero sense as town and you're beating around the bush trying to justify it.

I am the universal townread which means by and large I am the safest person to have in lylo because everyone here says they will vote me. 1/3 of you are scum. That means i have a 2/3 chance of correctly lynching a non-me town today and then i get speed voted in lylo and the town lives happily ever after.

It's not a hard concept. You take me out now means you silence the utr and have to play the guessing game with WORSE ODDS.

[eth0s]

Not only worse odds, but the free win lynch is out of the equation and wasted on a phase with better odds of lynching town.

[eth0s]

We wouldn't have even ever got to this point if you would just agree to quick vote chen after me. But you wouldn't agree to do that, and then progressed into an "idk who is scum anymore" POV that completely destroys the whole strategy I had laid out. Because now in lylo you almost certainly would not vote chen or dunn and instead opt yourself as lynch which is 100% the opposite outcome that should come from my plan. If you're actually town here YOU made yourself look scummier than dunn. You cannot blame anyone else and i wont listen to it.

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

[eth0s]

We will lose in LYLO if you can’t correctly read me and yes, sue me! If Chenn can, I’d rather have him in there with me.

Ding ding ding. And theres the scumslip. If I'm in lylo I get lynched and we win the game. Since you're so confident on me being town it doesnt matter how confident I am on you being town. All you have to do is vote me and town wins.

Pack it up ladies and gentlemen. We are lynching chen

VOTE: chennisden

[eth0s]

You ruined it not me. My logic holds and yours doesn't. If you're town then I correctly read you until you started acting like SCUM. For the record I expect an apology in endgame no matter the outcome.

[eth0s]

Chen voting me is akin to a scumclaim. Chen vote yourself. If you're scum you can thank ddxm for the free win.

[eth0s]

Once you explain how your reads are supposed to get better after I die and how having the UTR in lylo to be quick lynched isnt the most solid idea I will care about what you're saying.

Btw you're doing what you accused scum dunn of doing by saying you would vote me now and not in lylo. Doesnt make sense from town pov.

[eth0s]

Chen voting me is akin to a scumclaim. Chen vote yourself. If you're scum you can thank ddxm for the free win.

Chenn voting you, especially if Dunn also votes him, would prove he’s town but yeah, it’s me who isn’t thinking logically here.

So voting me proves someone is town. Why dont we do that in lylo then?

[eth0s]

You can insult me as much as you want but if you're town I'm playing better than you, as in factually

[eth0s]

Once you explain how your reads are supposed to get better after I die and how having the UTR in lylo to be quick lynched isnt the most solid idea I will care about what you're saying.

Btw you're doing what you accused scum dunn of doing by saying you would vote me now and not in lylo. Doesnt make sense from town pov.

How does dunn manipulating ME change my vote in lylo when all I have to do is vote myself after one of the other townies votes me?????????
Because of last night. Dunn was clearly able to manipulate you. Are you seriously denying that?

[eth0s]

Oops that's not supposed to be in quotes

[eth0s]

Once you explain how your reads are supposed to get better after I die and how having the UTR in lylo to be quick lynched isnt the most solid idea I will care about what you're saying.

Btw you're doing what you accused scum dunn of doing by saying you would vote me now and not in lylo. Doesnt make sense from town pov.

Because of last night. Dunn was clearly able to manipulate you. Are you seriously denying that?

Ebwop

How does dunn manipulating ME change my vote in lylo when all I have to do is vote myself after one of the other townies votes me????????? You claim to be impervious to dunns manipulation yet you're too afraid to go to lylo with me for what exactly???

[eth0s]

Chen voting me is akin to a scumclaim. Chen vote yourself. If you're scum you can thank ddxm for the free win.

Chenn voting you, especially if Dunn also votes him, would prove he’s town but yeah, it’s me who isn’t thinking logically here.

So voting me proves someone is town. Why dont we do that in lylo then?

You’re saying him voting you is a “scumclaim”, how? Why does scum!Chenn ever vote you over himself?

Idek what to say to you anymore. Obviously you're either scum or get so blinded by anger that you cannot comprehend what I am saying. For the umpteenth fucking time I am a FREE WIN LYNCH IN LYLO AND DENYING ME ENTRY TO LYLO THROWS THAT IN THE GARBAGE.

[eth0s]

If you are willing to vote me in lylo that's all that fucking matters. You're insistent on voting me now, so if you're town you will be of the same opinion in lylo. But you're obviously trying to weasel out of it

[eth0s]

No I'm not 100% but that's why we should be worried about getting our reads correct now and then sticking to a quicklynch plan in lylo. but you're trying to deny me that by getting me lynched as quickly as possible (which is actually something you criticized me for earlier wrt me voting dunn, and then criticized dunn for wrt pressuring me to end fast).

So you claim you dont want a fast phase when it's convenient for you, but all of a sudden I should be killed quickly while you are "unsure" of chen and dunn rather than trying to form a read on them? it does not make any sense from a town perspective.

[eth0s]

I'm taking some time off from this game until chen and dunn have something to say. I'm expecting to be underhwhelmed but idk I've done about all I can here.

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

if that's the best im gonna get then yeah idk what else to say.

dunnstral, thoughts?

[eth0s]

I don't think chennis says that as scum, so I hope I'm right too.

[eth0s]

hey chen can you come back and pinkie promise that you're not trolling rn pls

[eth0s]

I didn't know dunn was voting for him still. I fucked up.

[eth0s]

for what it's worth I really do not think chen is scum anymore but my reads have also flip flopped like crazy over the past couple of days so whatever

[eth0s]

So I really do get to be the WOAT if we lose now

funny how things work out sometimes

[eth0s]

I want to say something but I'm not sure if it will make you laugh or cry nancy

[eth0s]

I want to say something but I'm not sure if it will make you laugh or cry nancy

Go for it.

not only did I think that dunnstral wasn't voting for chen. I thought I had unvoted too. Therefore I didn't even believe you saying I hammered until I looked back.

[eth0s]

saying chen hammered*

[eth0s]

holy shit what

[eth0s]

I feel like I'm on an acid trip right now.

Maybe it's the cold medicine I took like an hour ago. but like. the fuck

[eth0s]

okay back to square Dunn then.

as in dunn please tell us what the fuck you're thinking.

and chennis I'd really love it if you do the same but I won't hold my breath on that

[eth0s]

holy shit what

According the the VC, Dunn was on Chenn but in his last post, he voted you, so we don’t need to worry but you could have totally self-hammered had you wanted to, so you are 100% locktown now.

I mean I somehow convinced myself just now that chenn was hammered after even going back and literally seeing it proven wrong so I'm not sure that actually makes me conftown but I'll take it

[eth0s]

hi.

a wild ducky has appeared!

[eth0s]

idk but if dunnstral doesn't say something before I go to bed I'm voting you (ddxm)

[eth0s]

when will I go to bed? that's anyone's guess. so dunnstral you better hurry up

[eth0s]

okay back to square Dunn then.

as in dunn please tell us what the fuck you're thinking.

and chennis I'd really love it if you do the same but I won't hold my breath on that

Why on earth would Chenn think you’re scum? You wouldn’t be arguing with me like you were about lynching you if you’re scum, so maybe Chenn is the one on acid?

I don't think he

thought

I was scum. I think he's just acknowledging it for post-game. But you might be right in which case he's probably scum.

[eth0s]

@mod, I am actually not voting currently.

---

And you're doing such a good job of it!

[eth0s]

@mod, I am actually not voting currently.

apparently I can't read a VC.

holy shit what do they put in nyquil these days

[eth0s]

I need to think on this. My brain is clearly not running at 100% right now but I think I get where you're coming from

[eth0s]

I almost wonder if I should just die this phase because overall I really want to lynch ddxm again, but I'm not convinced it will happen. At the same time I'm not even 100% convinced she is town. Although I'm a good like 90% there. Dunn and chen are making it impossible to find the scum. Specifically if chen is town this game I will be really upset because his not playing the game or trying to progress anything is making dunn look townier than him due to PoE. And Dunn is even saying he's okay with not dying. Which is like, logically what every player should be saying at this point but ESPECIALLY TOWN.

p-edit: yeah i dunno. Like I thought people would care more about this game in lylo but apparently not. I'm getting stumped and regretting putting time into this game when we are the only 2 people who even seem to really care.

[eth0s]

Like I get where town!chen can very well think that he should get lynched along with me. But his refusal to expand on that and just dive right into a self vote after we've prodded him like hell is just... so bad.

[eth0s]

if he didn't think he was dying there I kinda doubt he would just vote without progressing the game at all.

and making a statement that really does nothing more than to promote paranoia about my slot doesn't really feel like "game progression" to me.

If eth0s is scum well played

I think he doesn't say this if he thinks he's hammered as scum. Why bother?

But he almost certainly doesn't say that if he's town expecting to be lynched and then go to lylo, right? Like what more does that post do than basically stir up paranoia on my slot?

[eth0s]

But he almost certainly doesn't say that if he's town expecting to be lynched and then go to lylo, right? Like what more does that post do than basically stir up paranoia on my slot?

read: if he's town that knows he isn't hammered but still expects to be hammered

[eth0s]

VOTE: don draper x mistress

[eth0s]

I refuse to believe that scum!ddxm would rather try to force me to lynch chennis here than just lynch me now that even I am on board with me not going to lylo.

I don't think ddxm thinks I won't eventually cave and lynch chennis. And they've basically full on committed to voting me in a potential lylo after lynching chennis that they literally cannot back out at this point without being 100% scum.

[eth0s]

But he almost certainly doesn't say that if he's town expecting to be lynched and then go to lylo, right? Like what more does that post do than basically stir up paranoia on my slot?

read: if he's town that knows he isn't hammered but still expects to be hammered

Sorry, not following?

like if he was town and knew he wasn't hammering himself but thought we would still hammer him eventually, what in the world is the point in stirring up paranoia over my slot?

[eth0s]

DDXM, please vote yourself and leave it there. I intentionally don't want to explain why I'm asking you of this. Just trust me please.

[eth0s]

DDXM, please vote yourself and leave it there. I intentionally don't want to explain why I'm asking you of this. Just trust me please.

You want me to vote myself? Are you absolutely sure?

yes

[eth0s]

VOTE: Don Draper x Mistress

Okay.

I'm not sure when I will be able to clarify this, but please please please do not remove the vote. I also cannot remove mine. All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

[eth0s]

@dunn, @chennisden:

Ideally you should both be voting me here

[eth0s]

DRUMROLL PLEASE

All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

You'll self vote by deadline, but I won't vote ddxm by deadline.

It doesn't matter. I kinda tricked you a little bit. Sorry.

8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is lynched and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

No lynch doesn't exist in this setup. Just noticed that.

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has. as long as those 2 votes don't move, ddxm is lynched at deadline. Now dunn and chen convince me why each other is town please.

[eth0s]

I think eth0s has fancy player syndrome right now

I want to win. And it's a hard game. I need help so I'll do whatever I need to do to get help.

[eth0s]

DRUMROLL PLEASE

All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

You'll self vote by deadline, but I won't vote ddxm by deadline.

It doesn't matter. I kinda tricked you a little bit. Sorry.

8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is lynched and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

No lynch doesn't exist in this setup. Just noticed that.

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has. as long as those 2 votes don't move, ddxm is lynched at deadline. Now dunn and chen convince me why each other is town please.

Really but you need 3 votes, don’t you?

the second sentence in the rule clarifies that. No majority needed.

[eth0s]

DRUMROLL PLEASE

All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

You'll self vote by deadline, but I won't vote ddxm by deadline.

It doesn't matter. I kinda tricked you a little bit. Sorry.

8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is lynched and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

No lynch doesn't exist in this setup. Just noticed that.

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has. as long as those 2 votes don't move, ddxm is lynched at deadline. Now dunn and chen convince me why each other is town please.

Really but you need 3 votes, don’t you?

the second sentence in the rule clarifies that. No majority needed.

[eth0s]

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has.

unfortunately, that's not what the rules say.

(ties broken by whoever

more recently

had more votes).

Even if you're right I can still try to get the last vote in. If that's a risk you wanna take then by all means don't convince me on why chennis is town.

[eth0s]

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has.

unfortunately, that's not what the rules say.

(ties broken by whoever

more recently

had more votes).

The vote is tied. Was math not your strong suit?

oh wait. I'm still right here. "whoever

more recently

had more votes" is ddxm. because ddxm had 2 while I had 0, then 1, and now 2. so ddxm had more votes more recently than I did. And no one can have more votes than 2 without a hammer occuring so ddxm still gets lynched at deadline if neither of us move our votes.

[eth0s]

Eth0s is conftown

Can we just kill eth0s and some other poor soul and end this game

if ddxm wants to kill me I won't tell them not to

like I'm not really having fun here either. Hence the desperate measures. Being conftown is cool and all but that just means someone will be upset with me no matter what happens.

[eth0s]

If Ddxm is scum sry

same