Micro 903: Reverse Jester Nightless! (Game Over)

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VOTE: Korina

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Let's dispose of the percentages and pretend it never happened

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unironically let's lynch korina

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What's the hold up?

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If everyone acts like that this game is going to get really annoying really fast

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Yikes

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Why are you talking about no lynch when we've got over a week on deadline

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VOTE: korina

I thought this over and it's fairly likely he's jester

This post seems not town

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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A weird format doesn't mean you guys get to troll

Town still need to look like town

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The thing is the setup does work, but you guys are trolling instead of playing it. Town still needs to try to look like town.

There's 0 incentive to act like lynchbait.

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VOTE: rooroo

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? You've voted me numerous times this game

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? You've voted me numerous times this game

What's your point?

I don't get at what point in the game there were tonal things you had issue with

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How can you look for interactions between town and the jester? What is that based on?

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I'm not comfortable with voting Chennis though

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They seem fine to me, I'd be fine voting Gamma too

It’s difficult to separate the jester from scum

Scum want to be lynched - the jester doesn't

Ye gimme DAT Chennis lunch

I don't like it

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That's because your stated reads don't match your actions in this game

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Idk about mumu but I don't feel good about Chennis

As for eth0s, I don't know how you're telling that they're jester and not mafia

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I don't think we should lynch someone we think is either jester or mafia, over someone we think is town, it seems unnecessary to me

This is how I feel about our choice in lynches:

Dunnstral
Don Draper x Mistress
Gamma Emerald

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Not_Mafia
Mumu

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eth0s
chennisden

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Do we need to lynch 3 more town, or 4 more town?

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U wut mate, Dunn is pretty obv mafi

Go on

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Nancy is obviously scum by the way

Go on

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

You do

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I don't think we should lynch someone we think is either jester or mafia, over someone we think is town, it seems unnecessary to me

This is how I feel about our choice in lynches:

Dunnstral
Don Draper x Mistress
Gamma Emerald

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Not_Mafia
Mumu

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eth0s
chennisden

@Dunn based on this, you should have either self-voted, voted us or Gamma over NM. That’s what I expected you to do when I agreed to sheep you but since Auro was in favour of NM lynch, I thought why not? Uh.

I forgot about the jester leaving, I thought we needed 4 more votes, which meant we had to lynch one of mumu/not_mafia - obv that was wrong but it was what I was thinking

Yeah, Gamma leaving was unfortunate, I wouldn't have guessed he was the jester though, so it would have been random if I voted him

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We should discuss what we're doing now and not when we're down to 3 people

I still kind of want to lynch me + DDxM, what is the argument against that?

I don't like how Chenn said I was scum but then dropped it when it looks like he's up to get lynched next, like it doesn't matter anymore

solve is probably lynch dunnstral then i vote chen and he self votes for town win. But his play this game is also very poor so I'm not ready to commit to that.

Are you saying you'll vote between chenn/DDxM, or are you going to want to vote yourself in 3p?

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Day 3 begins!

VC 3.0

Not voting (7)- Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia, chennisden, mumu, eth0s, Don Draper x Mistress

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-12-15 14:00:00)

Mod notes: :cool:

VOTE: ethos

VOTE: eth0s

VOTE: mumu

VOTE: mumu

Gamma, Dunn are also good votes. After D4, we can lynch eth0s.

what differentiates me from rooroo

You’ve made some posts that are questionable but I liked your Dunn vote, so I dunno.

Dunn is probably scum though

I could definitely see scum on korina lynch but I find it significantly less likely that they would be on both lynches. Maybe one scum would do it for "deepwolf" sake but idk

I think N_M/Chennis is T/J..

or maybe S/J but idunno. I think one of them is jester

? You've voted me numerous times this game

What's your point?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think chennis is more likely to be scum out of the two

I'm looking at this sequence of events at the start of day 3

Why did you think Chennis was more likely to be scum over Not_Mafia

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@Dunn, who do you think is scum between eth0s and Chenn and why?

Probably chenn based on eth0s recent posting

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Though he is lacking in interactions with not mafia, so... maybe not

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^ would you vote for chenn and eth0s then?

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I don't think we should lynch someone we think is either jester or mafia, over someone we think is town, it seems unnecessary to me.

Dunn had NM as a null, NOT town. His NM vote clearly contradicts this.

Already explained that I thought we needed 4 lynches, and it looked like you were leading on it

I still kind of want to lynch me + DDxM, what is the argument against that?

Why not me first, Dunn?

I never said we couldn't do you first

Dunn was clearly sheeping eth0s

I wasn't

Not liking your push on me here

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He wanted to lynch me next, unlike you, who wanted to self-vote

Please indicate where I said I wanted to self-vote next

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I didn't mention any order to doing so in that post

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Dunn is obviously the scum

Why are we still arguing

why?

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You can argue what you think I wanted to do all day, but I never said that

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The order I said the names doesn't mean I wanted to lynch in that order

I've been pushing other people instead of myself all game because I know that with me out of the game town is much more likely to do something incredibly stupid/anti-town

I wasn't even thinking of an order in 393 - I made it clear I wanted to discuss things today though so I'm not sure why you're acting like I'd quick hammer anything

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I haven't asked anyone to vote me though?

I'd lynch eth0s in lylo for sure, yes

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And all you’re doing is talking about yourself

Because you keep talking about me...?

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I haven't asked anyone to vote me though?

I'd lynch eth0s in lylo for sure, yes

but not Chenn or me?

no

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Pretty sure you're misrepresenting things on purpose to try to make things look bad that aren't there

You asked me if I'd be willing to lynch eth0s in lylo, I said yes, then you acted like I'd only be fine with lynching him in lylo by quoting what I said out of context

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VOTE: Chennisden

We can do this + eth0s

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Well, if you actually mean that, you should probably agree that he is safest next lynch, correct?

It doesn't matter what order we lynch in as long as we're all decided on something

I think you have an agenda for wanting to lynch eth0s first

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Don't vote nancy in lylo.

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Just self vote in lylo bro

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I'm voting chenn and eth0s, end of discussion. If you guys want to throw by voting don draper over yourself then I don't know what to say

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I'm voting chenn and eth0s, end of discussion. If you guys want to throw by voting don draper over yourself then I don't know what to say

that sounds nice and all but why won't you vote chennis in lylo if you'll vote for him now?

I will

I've decided don is scum

it doesn't matter what order we lynch in

VOTE: eth0s

if you want

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Okay. If chennis agrees to quickvote me in lylo I will cast my vote now.

Don't vote for her. Why are you ignoring me?

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You want me to be the next lynch and no one is stupid enough here to believe otherwise.

?????

what?

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You still do but he's being an idiot and I'm 10x more active then chenn so I can vote him before he gamethrows

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my point exactly. Which is why I want to be blatantly obvious that not quickvoting your suggestion in lylo is akin to a scum claim.

Like dunnstral may very well cast his vote on your target first, but even if that happens it should be full steam ahead on your target because that's his last resort if he's scum.

You're arguing nonsense, anyone canself hammer in lylo with 1 vote on them, it doesn't matter what she does if I vote chenn. Why are you like this?

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I don't want you to be lynched.

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but instead you’re engaging in all of these AtE theatrics

I'm not engaging in anything

eth0s is stalling the game

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I'm not arguing with ddxm anymore

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Will you argue with me instead?

I said I'd lynch you and chenn. What is there to argue about? Do you think chenn is mafia?

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How am I stalling the game?

you're arguing that I'm scum and acting like we can't trust my read on ddxm because of it

There's only 1 scum alive. everybody is content to vote for chenn in lylo. You're stalling, and by trying to lynch ddxm instead of yourself... I don't know what that's about

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Do you want to be lynched now or in lylo?

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I'll literally hammer anyone that isn't ddxm

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VOTE: chennisden

again, there's only 1 scum, and you are arguing that I want to lynch you today.

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Why are you trying to lynch ddxm over yourself?

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like universally no one is opposed to lynching me and chen so no one should have a problem with this.

And that's why you're stalling the game.

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I'm fairly convinced that DDXM is mafia, so we'd be losing the game by voting them. I'm fine with not dying to accomplish that goal.

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Why are you trying to lynch ddxm over yourself?

we had an established plan. They are my top TR therefore I need them dead at some point. What is so hard about that to understand?

Why did DDxM unvote chennis and now you?

You don't need them dead at some point

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neither of you are answering me. will you quickvote chennis in LYLO if I die now. both answer yes = vote me and I selfhammer

I've already answered this, multiple times in fact

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Why are you trying to lynch ddxm over yourself?

we had an established plan. They are my top TR therefore I need them dead at some point. What is so hard about that to understand?

we only need to lynch 2 out of 4 people. Do you understand that?

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yes.

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Stop asking me that.

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VOTE: eth0s

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what are we waiting for chenn for?

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I haven't told you to do anything.

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But you already agreed to lynch eth0s and chenn, why does it matter if I'm "forcing a lynch"...?

No, seriously. How does it matter?

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What do you guys need from me?

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I'm fairly convinced that DDXM is mafia, so we'd be losing the game by voting them. I'm fine with not dying to accomplish that goal.

Is this seriously on the level Dunn? Are you really okay with not dying?

I really need to know this. See I bet the game on eth0s flipping town but beyond that, I’m not really that sure any more. :/

If I’m wrong on you being scum, I will be woat not goat and I 100% don’t want that and even if I’m lynched first, the results will still be on my head if we lose.:/


So, here’s where I’m at, whether or not anyone believes me or not, I am 100% flipping town but I’m not sure if I’m right anymore or if I’m actually just death tunneling, so I 100% don’t want to rush this. I really really hated your response to me. It didn’t read townie to me at all but that doesn’t mean there’s no chance I couldn’t be wrong and I definitely want to be right. I want to be goat and win the game for town and right now, I’m leaning you but mostly because I really really hated your response to me and I’m having trouble seeing it come from town but if I’m wrong here, I need you to help me see you as town. Do you think you can do that?

Yes I'm fine with not dying, that's what I've been saying for most of the day phase

I don't think you're town because you're flailing and saying I'm manipulating things long after I've stopped posting in order to try to confuse the matter of voting chenn/eth0s, in order to try to get a lynch on yourself

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idk but if dunnstral doesn't say something before I go to bed I'm voting you (ddxm)

I guess it would be cool if chenn told us what he thought about DDxM

idk why you're trying to vote her again. You realize that the reason she is freaking out is because the lynch ended up as chenn/you over her/you, and she doesn't want to lynch you today because she doesn't want to know what chenn thinks

As for chenn's "self hammer", you guys were the ones who thought he self hammered, not him. At least, It's not evident that he thought he was self hammering or not

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What do you want me to do?

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@Dunn, are you so sure I’m scum that you’re willing to bet the game on town!Chenn?

Yes that's why I switched stances mid day

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@Dunn, are you so sure I’m scum that you’re willing to bet the game on town!Chenn?

Tell me your reads on both eth0s and Chenn. I obviously don’t need to sort eth0s but anything at all you can tell me to help me decide between you and Chenn would be extremely helpful. I think you still sr me ironically actually looks better than trying to pocket me, so it’s not phasing me. But let’s be clear, the only player you no longer need to sort is eth0s. If you’re town and don’t want us to lose, since you’ve already made it clear you’re not voting yourself, you need to be really sure on both me and Chenn.

Like you already stated, both eth0s and me really did believe Chenn self-hammered, so tell me based on that, how my posts on that make sense as scum. Because as scum, wrongly believing Chenn in fact did self-hammer, why would scum!me think the game was over? Obviously scum!me would know it couldn’t be and Chenn has yet to read any of those posts, so who even knows how that affects his read on me.

So you’re assuming that hypothetically town!Chenn has no reaction to them. So, assuming you’re still sr me, I need to determine if you honestly believe it or not or if you’re just trying to unfairly shade me.

I’ll be honest, Auro does sr you but he might possibly feel differently after Chenn self-vote but eth0s was pushing him to self-vote, so especially if you’re right that he didn’t intend to hammer, then it’s NAI but why does he say to eth0s, congrats if your scum? Do you think it’s possible that he both didn’t think he self-hammered + and not have any clue that your vote was on eth0s? Because after my vote, ethOs could easily have self-hammered but instead he’s arguing with me over unvoting him, so in no world does that make an iota of sense if he’s scum.

Scum you can pretend the game is over even if you thought chenn was lynched

Eth0s is town to me, chenn is neutral (he hasn't done anything), and you're scum. Because we have to lynch two people anyway, it doesn't matter what order we lynch in, only who we lynch

I know town!Dunn and town!Dunn would 100% be trying to seriously evaluate me here

That's news to me

maybe he’s trying to pocket Chenn now.

Where?

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But could Dunn just be so pissed at me,

I'm not mad at you

I don't need to sort anymore, I can force the vote in lylo by voting for someone right away. I've already figured out what I'm going to do

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VOTE: don draper x mistress

I'm not voting this

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ok

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VOTE: Chennisden

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The problem with your argument is that I don't win by death tunneling you if I'm scum

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You want me to be the next lynch and no one is stupid enough here to believe otherwise.

?????

what?

You don’t want me in LYLO because you are never going to convince me to lynch you and you prefer to take your chances with eth0s/Chenn over me. It makes perfect sense. I definitely wouldn’t want me in LYLO either if I was you and you are adamantly opposing my being lynched, because that’s exactly what you want to happen. If you were actually town here, you’d actually try to show me that I’m wrong about you but instead you’re engaging in all of these AtE theatrics to confuse everybody but I see through it and I’m sure they do too.

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You want me to be the next lynch and no one is stupid enough here to believe otherwise.

Dunn clearly wants me in LYLO.

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VOTE: eth0s

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All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

You'll self vote by deadline, but I won't vote ddxm by deadline.

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Please don't try to superimpose your own read above my read

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7. No vote trickery. Votes inside spoiler tags and obviously broken quotes will not be counted. Don't attempt to confuse other players over whether your vote was valid.

@mod

does this apply?

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As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has.

unfortunately, that's not what the rules say.

(ties broken by whoever

more recently

had more votes).

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ddxm voted N_M and chenn didn't

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7. No vote trickery. Votes inside spoiler tags and obviously broken quotes will not be counted. Don't attempt to confuse other players over whether your vote was valid.
8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is lynched and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

@mod

Who would be lynched if the game reached deadline? If it's DDxM, I request that the stalemate is broken as I believe what eth0s has done constitutes "vote trickery"

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If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

@mod, can you please explain what this means

, thanks.

If the deadline is reached with the vote tied, then go backwards chronologically until you hit a time when one of the tied players had more votes than the other. Whoever had more at that time is lynched.

For example, if Zed has 2 votes and Ned has 1, and then someone votes Ned, then Zed will be lynched.

But if Zed has 2 votes and Ned has 3, and someone unvotes Ned, then Ned will be lynched.

This is standard plurality procedure. If it's not codified on the wiki somewhere, it really should be.

Does this apply even if somebody got 2 votes and then went to 0 votes?

So if player A had 2 votes at the start of the day, then player B had 2 votes, then player C has 2 votes, and the votes are 2 for B and 2 for C, would voting for Player A result in player A being lynched?

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DRUMROLL PLEASE

All I can say is that it's now 100% on chen and dunn to convince me why I should vote for someone else. They fail to do that and my vote doesn't move. Ideally neither does yours.

You'll self vote by deadline, but I won't vote ddxm by deadline.

It doesn't matter. I kinda tricked you a little bit. Sorry.

8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is lynched and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before majority occurs, plurality will kick in, and whoever has the most votes will be lynched (ties broken by whoever more recently had more votes).

No lynch doesn't exist in this setup. Just noticed that.

As it currently stands, ddxm has had 2 voted on them longer than anyone else has. as long as those 2 votes don't move, ddxm is lynched at deadline. Now dunn and chen convince me why each other is town please.

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If eth0s reached 2 votes at post 700, and then it was completely unvoted to 0 votes, but players who are voting chennisden move to eth0s after ddxm already has 2 votes on them, would eth0s be lynched?