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In post 45, Uncrowned wrote:mass flavor claim i meant lol not roles if anyone was thinking that my bad
Mate, scums very likely recieved a safeclaim (name of a character noone plays with) with their role.
Nevertheless outing flavour might help flavour cop (if there is any).
Does anyone see a way how revealing our names could hurt us?
Flavor likely is relevant to role. I’m against it.
Like no it probably wouldn’t be a big deal either way, but it’s really unlikely to help the town, and has an off chance of hurting town. So let’s not. No one has made a viable argument for why it’s helpful.
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Post #89 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:37 am
Postby Amrun »
Honestly, nothing too exciting. A couple of slight town leans. My toddler is sick and throwing up while we are traveling out of state for the holiday so my mindscape is kind of occupied.
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Post #90 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:41 am
Postby Amrun »
In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.
VOTE: Zenith
I did mean to do this, though.
Because this post is gross.
Uncrowned is my top pick for town. He seems to be vomiting whatever is on his mind, which is not well thought out. He’d probably think more first if scum.
In post 92, Amrun wrote:Enter, why are you playing so close to the chest?
I'm trying something new. I like how it worked for me in Perfect Masquerade and so I think I'll do it a bit longer.
I have a theory that this is at least slightly more optimal for several reasons (some that I won't discuss right now) but one of them is that it causes discussion to be slightly less tailored and scripted based on what players think others are thinking, and I think that makes people more uncomfortable and more likely to play with a little less mask.
I didn’t read this game - were you town? Scum? Did you win?
Can’t believe this took so long
My impression is that Enter could be trying to deal with a rather pricklish newb mafia partner in Zenith rn
You think scum team would D1 death tunnel each other and spotlight themselves for.. For why?
Because of WIFOM, mate.
Ah,
WIFOM.
A full on mutual death-tunnel also means one of them is very likely to be lynched today, and the remaining scum has to survive till the end whilest dodging all investigative checks, and their interactions with their scumbuddy not being found out as scum theatre.
This isn't SvS.
-Hectic
Just finished a game where scum did this when neither was going to be lynched. They won in LyLo because of it. Not that I disagree here; think this is unlikely to be SvS in this case. Just saying.
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Post #263 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:54 am
Postby Amrun »
In post 261, Zenith wrote:The thought of a slot talking to itself and having multiple, sometimes contradictory perspectives kind of disturbs me. I've been suspicious of haggle throughout the game, but taking my inexperience in dealing with hydra as a reason to not want to suspect them. Again wanting to cut out a potential bias by over balancing in the opposite direction, for no good reason other than to act as a weight to counter-balance said bias.
I find that suspicion to be growing though, for.. I'll call them gut reasons that maybe I'll be more specific about later if it keeps pinging my radar negatively. Suffice for now to say that I could see an Enter/Haggle scum team.
In post 261, Zenith wrote:The thought of a slot talking to itself and having multiple, sometimes contradictory perspectives kind of disturbs me. I've been suspicious of haggle throughout the game, but taking my inexperience in dealing with hydra as a reason to not want to suspect them. Again wanting to cut out a potential bias by over balancing in the opposite direction, for no good reason other than to act as a weight to counter-balance said bias.
I find that suspicion to be growing though, for.. I'll call them gut reasons that maybe I'll be more specific about later if it keeps pinging my radar negatively. Suffice for now to say that I could see an Enter/Haggle scum team.
This is standard hydra fare. Why is it scummy?
It's not scummy. I gave reasoning as to why I've wanted to not suspect them, and noted that despite this my suspicions are growing. I didn't post the reasoning for my suspicion, yet. For now, my thoughts on haggle are mostly in my notes PT.
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Post #273 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:19 pm
Postby Amrun »
Yes, I know that everyone is ostensibly a cop. But people can offer up things that suck, like Zenith did. Why would he do that. There is nothing good for town in the WIFOM he posted about his role.
The fact that he did it makes me less sure he’s scum, though I dislike that he has yet to answer the question about where he got his sureness that scum have fake claims.
There is no benefit to flavor claiming. No one has convinced me of that.
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Post #277 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:33 pm
Postby Amrun »
In post 276, Haggle wrote:I just can't see any drawbacks to a mass claim, but can see positives where it may help people who benefit from knowing their partners. Whatever.
-Hectic
Do you, personally, have such a role? I mean feel free not to answer but from this perspective I can understand wanting a flavor claim.
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Post #284 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:07 pm
Postby Amrun »
In post 283, Zenith wrote:If you think I made an error about the safeclaims then by all means please poke holes in it. Argument is either flawed or it isn't, regardless of who made the argument, so I don't see how my history is relevant here.
I do think it’s relevant, though. Refusal to answer noted.
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Post #288 (isolation #24) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:44 pm
Postby Amrun »
In post 287, Zenith wrote:Uhhh.. Again, I know there are safeclaims because there are 9 players, 11 flavor names, and 9 of those are town aligned flavor names..
That doesn’t mean mod assigned scum fake claims. It makes it more likely but not certain.
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Post #309 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:01 am
Postby Amrun »
No one claimed Victor but there’s already speculation about it.
Mass name claim isn’t the end of the world but it is extremely unlikely to be helpful in any way. But it doesn’t really matter and I’m kinda tired of talking about it.
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Post #315 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:06 am
Postby Amrun »
No, I don’t know that. However, I think it’s exceedingly likely so this is an exercise in futility.
But after some points raised here I think there’s less negative utility than I thought, so whatever.
The main reason I opposed it is not because of the claim itself because of the discussion around it that would be harmful, which has already happened, so whatever, can’t stop that now.
Why aren't you voting?
I'm not quite convinced, but let's see where this goes.
@Amrun What do you have to say for yoself?
You kidding? You posted this at 2:46am. I was asleep.
First of all, I didn’t and still do not place any credence or importance in partners.
Second of all, this is clearly a power heavy set up regardless, and that’s a lot of set up spec for an unfinished claim and when we don’t know what scum powers are.
Because the potential for a townvig with remaining shots here means scum has to play a tight game and unnecessary bussing by claiming an obvious scumrole is not in any way playing a tight game? If I'm scum with you, I prompted your claim, called you out on not claiming VT/Vig and am hard townreading someone in the lynch pool. Scum me then has to potentially deal with convincing town to kill every possible mislynch over me, instead of just, you know, one.
Why, more to the point, are you trying to convince people we might be partners?
In post 527, Amrun wrote:Why would you have had to prompt my claim?
I didn't have to. I did.
Why did you sidestep the question about why you're trying to convince me you could be my partner?
Zenith wrote:
Huh?
SCUMLGC who is buddies with SCUMAMRUN doesn't let SCUMAMRUN claim something that is obviously not a town claim because I'm not a moron.
More to the point, the question here is very obviously a distraction from the issue that Amrun is scum.
~Jingle
I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m trying to show other players that just because you’re speaking like you’re sure of things doesn’t mean the things you are saying make sense.
In post 532, Amrun wrote:I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m trying to show other players that just because you’re speaking like you’re sure of things doesn’t mean the things you are saying make sense.
Sure, but you're NOT trying to show why Tracker makes sense in the setup. You're trying to discredit the idea that I'm not your partner.
Keep openwolfing though.
~Jingle
I agree it’s unbalanced with the current information we had; like I said, I originally assumed this was a vanillaless game based on my role PM. I can only assume that scum must have a power that makes it make sense. I’m not going to lie about my role just because I’m worried about how external balance will appear. That’s dumb.
In post 532, Amrun wrote:I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m trying to show other players that just because you’re speaking like you’re sure of things doesn’t mean the things you are saying make sense.
Sure, but you're NOT trying to show why Tracker makes sense in the setup. You're trying to discredit the idea that I'm not your partner.
Keep openwolfing though.
~Jingle
I agree it’s unbalanced with the current information we had; like I said, I originally assumed this was a vanillaless game based on my role PM. I can only assume that scum must have a power that makes it make sense. I’m not going to lie about my role just because I’m worried about how external balance will appear. That’s dumb.
Why would you have assumed the game is vanillaless based solely on your role pm?
Assume isn’t the right word. The thought crossed my mind, because of the wording of the game “balance is not guaranteed.” Then when Enter flipped cop, I started seriously considering it.
Then I was proven wrong. I still assumed it was power heavy.
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Post #846 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:45 pm
Postby Amrun »
In post 844, Uncrowned wrote:I tried a different style here of being more quiet and just analyzing what was going on around me. I don't think it was effective. Can't help but feel I let down the squad on this one. ); sorry guys
Not at all. We targeted you N1 for being widely townread.
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Post #902 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:14 am
Postby Amrun »
I do think scum roles could have balanced it and I only claimed it at all because of the “balance not guaranteed” disclaimer I assumed there would be more crazy roles than there were, but clearly, it was a vital mistake. Haha. Oh well. I just tried to not fuck it up for gamma at that point.
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Post #941 (isolation #59) » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:36 am
Postby Amrun »
^ Overall agree.
Had my scum partner been someone in jeopardy, I would have fought back tooth and nail. I sat down and looked at my associatives and realized if I cleared a mislynch trying to save myself, we’d be screwed.
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Post #952 (isolation #60) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:22 am
Postby Amrun »
And in that game where you intentionally hammered scum, it was really anti town and made the game a lot harder to win because the game day was so short and we didn’t get a chance to get good associatives.
I’d hoped that have taught you a lesson on it. I guess not.
Early hammering, even of scum, doesn’t usually help town, only hurts it.