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Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:06 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
There is no way that in that extended pregame scum didn't sit and talk about how to deal with me and if they get a quickhammer on me, even if it takes two members, they are probably going to take it and they will be right to do so
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #13 (isolation #2) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:13 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
If we want to make this a meme game then fine but I'm taking this seriously a and if we're playing to win there's no reason to RVS.
Amrun I gotta say I get a lot of scunfeels from that opener because of both the vote on me and the attempt to spew me your buddy if/when you flip scum.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #18 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:28 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
Keep in mind that in high scum count games like this
It only takes 1 bad town willing to vote me to allow scum to lynch me and thus prevent me from leading on scum if scum all put me as a scumread or find some other excuse to be willing to vote me.
If scum don't vote me and generally position me as a scumread then eventually I will get a lynch that I want via attrition and once I've flipped one scum it becomes essentially impossible to go after me til LyLo and I can presumably end the game well before then
If scum put any serious thought into their approach to D1 they are going to all tunnel me and hope that they can get a townie to vote me. Even if it gives me an easy scum venge, they can talk their way out later.
2 scum because you're the third lol?
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #20 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:33 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I'm making the game all about me because the fact that I have 2 votes on page 1 including a naked RVS vote from someone who I have never encountered before (why did they choose me to RVS) is not a coincidence and I've explained why.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #23 (isolation #7) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:43 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
And I didn't start thinking this after the start of the game where it could be biased. I thought before the game that scum were all going to go after me and try to memelynch me super early or abuse paranoia and some sort of 'well he will venge scum anyway right' to deal with the fact that they can't NK me and they only need 1 town vote to lynch me. Then I enter the game with two votes, one of which is from a person that I altogether see no reason to be RVSing me.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #36 (isolation #12) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:29 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I shouldn't need to have to barter what is effectively 50% EV if my reads are wrong to convince town that lynching me D1 is stupid because it won't happen if I'm scum and it's game losing if I'm town.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #50 (isolation #14) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:48 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
In post 44, Uncrowned wrote:That's half-joking but man that's a bad reaction P1, especially for a setup like this where lynching townies gives us a revenge kill anyway as worst case scenario. If you're that confident in finding scum, you wouldn't react poorly to being pressured like that. You'd be confident in shooting acum with your revenge ability.
This is a really dumb post.
Correctly venging 1 scum does a lot less for town than correct lynching scum and getting to evens and gaining a mislynch.
It also prevents me from affecting future lynches.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #51 (isolation #15) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:49 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I'm attempting to maintain a 75%ish town winrate and me getting lynched and correctly venging scum never gives town a 75% chance of winning the remainder of the game.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #53 (isolation #17) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:52 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
If anything as scum I would care a shit ton less about getting voted because I would know that scum aren't going to quickhammer me and I should be reasonably confident in my ability to NOT get voted by all 4 town D1???
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #59 (isolation #20) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:58 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I'm saying that I think towns winrate is higher if they sheep me today and have me dayvigged if I'm wrong than it is allowing me to get mislynched because one town is being an idiot. I think that's objectively true. I think towns winrate is even higher if they sheep me and then don't vengekill me if I'm wrong but that's a tough sell in this lobby given that CT policy lynches me by default and several other players are going to be paranoid of me playing town leader as scum.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #63 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:06 pm
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I mean you know it's true and you also know it's not a scumtell for me and I think you would know better than to scumread me for saying that I'd prefer to be listened to and venged if wrong than not listened to or lynched without getting to set towns affairs in order.
I think that you're scum Karnage.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
shit my math is wrong. I was thinking 2 scum. disregard my previous post
Also there's this.
Not sure if I need to explain this further for the benefit of the newer players in the list but forgetting that there's 3 scum instead of 2 scum happens a lot from scum that think in terms of 'ok there's 2 other scum'
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #66 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:09 pm
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I find it unfathomable that you would consent to venging me if I lynch wrong and then further push the matter calling me scum. Shouldn't forcing me to bus if I'm scum or die be good enough?
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #83 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:09 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I'm trying to win this game. All of my actions have been in pursuit of that. I wouldn't characterize anything that I've done as a hissy fit, I've been reasonably calm and deliberate in my approach to this game. Karnage pushing me for stuff he knows isn't scum indicative is something that I should have a problem with. I haven't taken any sorts of jabs at anyone in this game. I get weirded out whenever I get into situations like this and people act like I'm being the bad guy without even approaching verbally abusing anyone or doing anything rules questionable. It sucks that Karnage wasn't enjoying the game and I'm not happy about that but I don't feel like I should compromise on optimal play because Karnage doesn't like me insinuating that my reads are good and can help town win games that town would otherwise lose when it's an objectively true statement.
Basically I'm not apologizing, I'm not even approaching an apology. If my approach isn't fun for anyone then I'll avoid playing in your games but I won't act like I've done something wrong when I haven't.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #88 (isolation #33) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:16 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
If scum aren't trying to rush a hammer on me, no harm done and maybe interesting discussion results.
If they were and I let it happen I'm partially culpable for the loss that happens.
As town I try to play around as many paths to a loss as possible. That means preempting concerns like that before I get to L-1 and make sure that votes on me are hyper scrutinized.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #93 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:21 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I mean I didn't know before either.
There's a reason my approach was more so what do we do about this now and less kill Karnage with fire.
Unfortunately that isn't really an argument for me being town in this game bc as scum I wouldn't want to be someone's venge target either but I was trying to figure out why he was doing what he was doing.
I'm not totally null. I can see it both ways and I was hoping to see what chkflip does.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #97 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:27 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I think it's very difficult to read fundamentally NAI emotions; I think that Karnage's emotionality was fundamentally sincere but that isn't an indication of whether he is town or he is scum.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #120 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:45 pm
Postby RadiantCowbells »
In post 118, chkflip wrote:It's super interesting that you're stating a null read on this slot, cow, when literally a page prior you were calling it scum for
several
reasons.
Interesting in what way?
Do you think that I'm scum for iti?
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
Because I don't townread you, and you're refusing to produce meaningful game related content that I can townread so what should I assume besides that you're avoiding the thread because you know I can read you?
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #132 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:13 pm
Postby RadiantCowbells »
In post 67, RadiantCowbells wrote:And calling me out for AtE when you know AtE is like half of what I do as scum is also questionable but okay.
So now what Karnage?
Also it's strange how you cut out the post that actually ties the two together, the one that shows I was presenting this information to Karnage and seeing what he had to say in return.
It's actually not the greatest look that you missed the most important piece of evidence that my later claim was true.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #133 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:14 pm
Postby RadiantCowbells »
The fact is I cannot read shitty scumreads on me.
Karnage had a shitty scumread on me so I couldn't read him.
So i tried a different approach of calling him scum and seeing how he would defend himself since I had a general picture of how he defended himself as scum VS town from our previous two games.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #605 (isolation #57) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:12 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
I don't like playing with people who are voting me for out of game reasons Chkflip, and accusing me of subbing out to protect my winrate when I had caught multiple scum and knew that I had caught multiple scum is a joke. I've been voted in lylo by conftown and stuck around and until this game towns winrates in the games that I've left was higher than in the ones I stick around in from the damage I already did to scum.
Maybe you just aren't someone I want to play with and you made that really clear really quickly?
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post #613 (isolation #60) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 am
Postby RadiantCowbells »
Sure maybe he went after me for that reason then independently decided I was scum for the terrible reasons he claimed to but I don't believe that and I didn't want to have to think about that the entire game when I already had a yikes Christmas ongoing.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.