Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

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a spicy mena flashwagon?

did you magically stop townleaning me while I was gone?

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I can’t remember but I think I wanted to observe it more

I think I was leaning Aldus/icon as TvT

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VOTE: emps

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I wish you weren’t talking about how I’m towny this game bc I feel like this is the scummiest I’ve been as town in possibly ever

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But I’m just resllly all round burned out on mafia atm and I don’t care enough about anything atm to make effort beyond the bare minimum and certainly not enough to townlead

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At this point in time I kinda think all the scum is in (emps, HH, lamist)

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Uncrowned aldus are town
Ducky and chem are probably town
AFF is town by PoE

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I can’t really explain chem beyond I’ve played with him a bunch since I joined the site and while I don’t think he tends to visibly do much as either alignment I think there are subtle differences in his play and whether he’s actually trying to contribute when he’s around vs just trying to coast and skate by

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Unless the team is exactly chemist/uncrowned I think chem is town

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The only other team with chem that makes sense imo is ducky/chem so given that I’m talking to you under the basis of this being town!you then I’m not talking about Chen’s alignment based on it although objectively that is still possiboe

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Where exactly is the scum motivation for chem to call out his hardest defender (ie me) only to then completely shift on that as soon as I say I think he’s more town bc of it?

Okay, so potentially scum!chem going down anyway managed to set me for the mislynch tomorrow with a bad associative, I can live with that

But even in that scenario scum still has to get another mislynch in 5p and not get caught by 3p

It just doesn’t make sense to me as I think scum odds of winning in micros specifically go way up if they can avoid getting lynched D1 even if that’s not true across all games

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Incidentally it’s a similar reason why I’ve reconsidered you, or at least out you on the backburner, bc I think I do believe that scum!you probably just lolhammers chem there, assuming my read on him is right

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Ducky idk what you want from me

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I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly

Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated

However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you

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770 is pretty situational stuff and frankly more projection than I'm interested in applying day one. You're bending yourself into a pretzel to townread Chem but I'm finding many of your other reads lacking in nuance. Why?

What is the projection?

And idk what you mean by my reads are lacking in nuance

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If this reds then yeah probably

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If it reds then I think the right solution is probably lynch both of us and figure it out from there

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In fact probably just lynch you, me, and uncrowned and that should be GG

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I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly

Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated

However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you

I don't have a grip of who your scumreads are in this world dude

Yeah that’s bc my SRs have been moving around a lot and my strongest SR talked me out of it

Why is this making you have big concerns?

I don’t think you’ve played with disengaged!me before?

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lynch you/emps and it should be gg

Why are you trying to avoid being lynched in the case of a red flip?

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And why exactly have you flipped your read on me from nowhere

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I think you just don’t know how I play mafia as well as you think you do

Or you’re just scum

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Why is it Moon logic?

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I can’t really explain chem beyond I’ve played with him a bunch since I joined the site and while I don’t think he tends to visibly do much as either alignment I think there are subtle differences in his play and whether he’s actually trying to contribute when he’s around vs just trying to coast and skate by

Where exactly is the scum motivation for chem to call out his hardest defender (ie me) only to then completely shift on that as soon as I say I think he’s more town bc of it?

Okay, so potentially scum!chem going down anyway managed to set me for the mislynch tomorrow with a bad associative, I can live with that

But even in that scenario scum still has to get another mislynch in 5p and not get caught by 3p

It just doesn’t make sense to me as I think scum odds of winning in micros specifically go way up if they can avoid getting lynched D1 even if that’s not true across all games

What in either of these posts is “moonlogic”?

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No it isn’t

Look I can just make assertive statements without explaining them too

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Well no, that’s not what I’m doing

I have gut vibes or whatever you want to call it that chem is town

Then looking back at his ISO and thinking about it I reached the conclusion that his behaviour doesn’t really make sense coming from scum

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I don’t think there’s anything abnormal about saying that scum lose micros far more if they don’t defend D1 and so you can potentially clear/catch based on who they were defending

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The point is if scum knows that getting lynched D1 is v likely to decrease their odds of winning the more likely assumption is that scum try to avoid getting lynched

How do you avoid getting lynched? Generally my go to move is not calling the main person defending me scum

Like yes, if chem flips scum here, I should be policied tomorrow basically

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how do you feel abt this setup?

I don’t really have feelings about it?

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it's just a fallacious argument which may be disingenuous, and seems uncharacteristic vs. the rest of your reads. :#

Where is the bit that’s fallacious and that may be disingenuous

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At this point in time I kinda think all the scum is in (emps, HH, lamist)

Yeah I stand by this

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I’m strongly inclined to believe uncrowned’s claim

If anyone is claiming a PR that conflicts, do so now

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Ftr: not claiming conflciting PR

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Oh and also lmao at the idea that I’m a viable emps partner

Yes, I totally bump my partner to the bottom of my reads, that makes total sense

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Lmao what

Are you fucking high?

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The reason it’s “on par” with how I’d react as scum is because I’m p fucking good at simulating my towngame as scum

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I think it's good. FTR I don't want a babysitter to claim yet. Emps is probably just scum.
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Official Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Chemist1422

(5): Uncrowned, Look At Me Im So Town, emps, AaronFrost, the worst

[LYNCH]

emps

(1): Menalque

the worst

(1): Alduskkel

Alduskkel

(1): Chemist1422

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(1): HH

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-03 18:00:00).

Mod notes:

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Pretty safe to assume if scum!emps then partner was not on the chem wagon.

Mena or aldu. Probably just an emps mena team to be honest.

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Like you’re going to look at this and go “yah totally natural reaction cool thing boss”

And then I’m gonna come in, point out that I already called emps as one of the three most likely scum players and was one of the strongest voices against lynching THE ONLY CONFTOWN PLAYER WE HAVE SO FAR and then go “lol yeah mena reaction scummy”

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Are you fucking kidding me AF?

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Huh maybe AF is just scum actually

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And if emps is caught then he wants to push mena/HH to happen because that potentially takes the heat off him and gets him to lylo

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Can someone who’s actually towny come and talk to me so I don’t feel like I’m fighting through WIFOM?

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I mostly mean ducky/aldus/uncrowned

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Although ducky does prob need re-evaluation too given greenflip and icon/emps interactions

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Yes we should overwhelmingly be lynching emps but not before we get the maximum possible out of this day phase

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Oh, so X definitely isn’t Chen then

Chen has never caught me as scum

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Oh X is eth0s or tris

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The only time I made a big deal of being out of my scumrange as scum was in that micro that chem modded

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Aldus what do you think of AFF? I was leaning him being town because I thought lamist and H we’re both scummier but honestly his posts today are terrible

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Yeah hang on a fucking second, I was LITERALLY VOTING SCUM end of D1 assuming we’re right

Pushing me is scummy as FUCK considering that I was (1) against lynching conf!town (2) correctly townreading probable PR who

isn’t dead

which they likely would be if I was scum and (3) was voting the person who is very likely scum here when I also have a strong no bussing meta as scum which honestly I’m not breaking in this game

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I won’t make this game toxic but if scum thinks they’re gonna push me because I’ve been disengaged when I’m obviously town if emps is scum then I will rain down upon you

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I wonder if lamist could actually be town and I’m just scumreading BP for his general style which I’ve done before a few times

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Is literally anyone townreading hh?

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If so why

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I do kind of get AFF town reads, I think he’s just being bad at the game

But like I’m still in reservations about it because if HH!town then AF’s scum equity goes up noticeably for trying to encourage a 1v1 between us

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LAMIST why should I be townreading you?

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i for one think i am more suspicious for the chemist mislynch than hh is o_o

Actually you’re more suspicious for this than you are for the chemist mislynch but you’re still probably town

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I do kind of get AFF town reads, I think he’s just being bad at the game

Dude if you are town here then you need to do a better job of convincing me that you're not emps's partner here, like in case it isn't obvious I haven't exactly been townreading you this game.

And if you legitimately think that I'm scum then you need to make an actual case against me instead of just shading me.

Provided emps flips scum then scumreading me is, I’m sorry, moronic

Literally, there is a shit ton of evidence for the fact that I don’t bus unless very very necessary to win

What is your argument that I’m scummy for my reaction? HH is shitpushing me and he’s fine for it but I call that HH is probably scum (again, after being the main defender of conf!town and the one who was voting scum yesterday) and I’m scummy for it?

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how so, menalque darling

This is like v v self aware ducky and is exactly what I would do as scum — as in, call myself scummy when people are TRing me

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In fact I think I did exactly that in C9++?

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Why is HH towny?

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Also uncrowned is basically conf!town unless lamist CCs I guess?

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I’ve been disengaged

you have 3x the posts as the next highest person

High post count =/= engaged

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Why am I not your top TR ducky?

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Pushing me is scummy as FUCK considering that I was (1) against lynching conf!town (2) correctly townreading probable PR who isn’t dead which they likely would be if I was scum and (3) was voting the person who is very likely scum here when I also have a strong no bussing meta as scum which honestly I’m not breaking in this game

(1) there were no conf!towns and I still think you were TMI'ing on his aalignment
(2) no one died
(3) vanity vote

Yes obviously I’m so shit that my perfect record of reading chem was TMI

The only game where I /might/ have misread him was pfup, to my memory

Every other game I’ve correctly called chem town when scum has pushed him, and I think I got it right in pfup too I’m just not 100% on that

(2) YES WHICH IS TOWN!INDICATIVE FOR ME BECAUSE WHY DO YOU THINK I STOPPED PSUHING UNCROWNED

(3) lol okay scum

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Why is HH towny?

smh i'll case this d3 if i need to

Why am I not your top TR ducky?

bc you're really not all that towny...?

I’d rather you case this now

And yes I am, again, how am I not the towniedt slot in this game outside of uncrowned

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Am I high

Are you all high

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Is town particularly keen on throwing this game for some reason?

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Again, literally

The MAIN VOICE against lynching conf!town was me

I reversed on uncrowned because I thought he was softing PR and he’s not dead which is +town for me

And I was calling emps as scum and voting him and it’s very established that I don’t bus unless necessary which it wasn’t at end of day yesterday

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And like after you modded that newbie where you yourself were talking about how my reads are good I’m genuinely confused about why I’m not your top townread given all of this

Bc you know me well enough to know that me being corrrct on emps!scum isn’t TMI indicative it’s just my reads being good indicative

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I’m just good

I literally don’t think I’ve misread chem (again, apart from maaaaybe in pfup)

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Yeah 1 sec lemme iso him to find it

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Also there’s like an outlier chance of one or two other partners so I need to see how they play around uncrowned being caught already

This is laughable.

I'm not getting lynched today.

You're hurting your own reads by looking for something that isn't there.

Unless you're scum and you don't need to worry about having

good

reads.

I thought this was a soft

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Also no I didn’t realise it immediately

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I started reconsidering uncrowned from the fact that his responses to my push seemed towny and then when I was rereading his posts in his defense I realised that was a soft and not just arrogance

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that's defs a soft or a slip yeah
i've used the same before, accidentally and intentionally!

Right so if I clicked that why is he still alive today if I’m scum

Also respond to the other things that make me town that you’re not acknowledging

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Like we already know we have problems reading each other but if you wanna actually try you should get to me!town p easily

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I think you’re being incredibly lazy if you’re not TRing me tbh ducky

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*sigh*

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Can you just read me ducky

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It would be nice

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There is a 66% chance that we’re in a strongman setup

I correctly identified the PR soft

The PR soft is not dead

I can’t be fucked to keep trying to make you see that I’m obviously town if you’re not going to bother trying

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That goes for everyone who’s town

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Like anyone who is scumreading me here is terrible at reading me and that’s just how it is

Again, assuming emps flips scum

So if you still wanna scumread me or lynch me after that whatever, go ahead, but it means that you’re playing awfully this game even if you’re a decent player overall and I will be rooting for scum to win if you hit that level of incompetence

Pedit: oh you mean like the dayplay of correctly identifying town for good reasons that you shaded as “moon logic” and putting the most likely scum into my top 3 scum reads and voting them at EoD

You’re going to read me off that day play yeah?

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@ducky I’m genuinely sad that you can’t or won’t see the difference between me shitting on your skill level and be being frustrated with you not engaging with the numerous reasons why I’m obvtown

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There is a 66% chance that we’re in a strongman setup

33%

This is just literally not true

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That’s actually vaguely + town for HH

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@AFF i don’t give a fuck if it’s helping my case or not

Whoever is town and who isn’t reading me is being dumb and frankly the fact the rest of town isn’t calling them out isn’t motivating me to play more

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Maybe ducky is scum and I should trust my icon read

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Ducky should be hard townreading me here I think

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The fact he’s not hard townreading me when he said that he’s gonna read me on dayplay is +scum for him specifically

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Actually you know what go right ahead and mislynch me

VOTE: menalque

Anyone who’s town is not playing well bar uncrowned

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I do kind of get AFF town reads, I think he’s just being bad at the game

Dude if you are town here then you need to do a better job of convincing me that you're not emps's partner here, like in case it isn't obvious I haven't exactly been townreading you this game.

And if you legitimately think that I'm scum then you need to make an actual case against me instead of just shading me.

Why do you think he's Emps' partner here? What about his play has said that? You're putting the onus on him, which seems like you're trying to make him sound defensive.

BP

And if emps is caught then he wants to push mena/HH to happen because that potentially takes the heat off him and gets him to lylo

And how am I doing this exactly?

@Mena, I see him pushing scum!Mena, but how was he pushing scum!HH?

BP

The fact he wasn’t is exactly my point

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Didn’t mean to quote the first one

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I honestly dgaf rn

There’s minimum 1 and probably 2 town insisting on misreading me rn and I cbf to deos with it

HH is gonna hide behind their hydra and claim “oh you’re just like when I caught you as sucm” or whatever bullshit they’re on

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If y’all can’t see that HH is scummy as fuck I can’t help you

I’ve done what I can

I caught scum and got ignored

I obvtowned (including to the very probable town that is uncrowned who is btw TRing me and you’re ignoring it if you’re town and SRing me)

So yeah I’m fucking donezo as of now

I’ll be prodging

I’m gonna vote emps today and I’m gonna vote HH tomorrow

Frankly you don’t deserve anything more from me if you’re gonna behave like this

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That’s at every town currently in the game bar lamist (who I’m easing on scum now bc of HH/AFF/ducky)

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Just genuinely fuck games like this

Mafia is hard and everything but if you’re not gonna put the effort in and just gonna make surface level shit pushes why even play

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There is a 66% chance that we’re in a strongman setup

33%

This is just literally not true

re-read the setup, slowly
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Oh this is actually right I was thinking of th e66% chance we have babysitter

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eh I'm sorry about last night

I was drinking and got frustrated

I mean I still am frustrated but yeah, I apologise for the toxicity

knowing it's eth0s makes me a lot weaker on hh!scum

I think ducky is probably the partner

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VOTE: ducky

I still wanna Lynch emps today obv I;'m just leaving this here as a place marker

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I may intermittently check this thread but I'll mostly be absent from now as I don't really feel like anyone here is interested in cooperating with me

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I think declaring who you're going to rb is redundant because if it's on someone sufficiently scummy then scum can just no kill to get a Lynch the next day

like assume that emps flips scum

you declare you're gonna RB me

there's no nk

you think this town is ever not lynching me the day after?

then once I flip green they'll NK you (or they'll have narrowed down the babysitter possibilities if they think/know we're in one of those setups and want to go for a 2for1) and it's a messy fuckin 4p mylo or if we're lucky a 5p where we have a lynch to spare before lylo

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yeah, I still think you're aces ducky but just also that you're quite probably scum this game

I wish I found it easier to work with you, and I wish I had any idea what scum!you felt like because maybe that would be useful

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I mostly think you're scum because I really do not believe that you would be SRing me if you were town

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and that doesn't mean that you're terrible if you're town and have just got it wrong because mafia is hard

it's just that if I'm BoPing you as part of my read I just believe it's much more likely that you're fabricating a scumread on me bc I am probably mislynchable at this point as much as I shouldn't be (obviously, I don't mean today, I mean tomorrow) so it's a chance for you to get rid of me without taking toooo much heat for it and I do think that's something scum!you probably does want to do

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EV = expected value

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easy mistake to make tbh, happens to the best of us

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I often confuse it for "explosive vomiting", another one of my favourite foods

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with the violent corndogs!

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but maybe I want to be

bad

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Ahhh

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

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I’m going to take a moment to bask in this

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Then I’m going to take a moment to insult anyone who thought I was scum

Then we’re going to lynch ducky

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(Friendly insults)

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

S a t i s f a c t i o n

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You know what that feeling is boys

Getting shitpushed for a whole day and then being conftown the next

Just mmmmmmmmmm

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tasty

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Also: suck it, eth0s

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Lmao imagine thinking I was scum this game

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People always scumread me for no fucking reason

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And I like NEVER get to be actual conftown

So even when I’m locktown by play scum STILL try to shitpush me half the time and someone in town will get paranoid about it

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Hush hush hush

This is the conftown show

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Ducky is clearing the steps of the scaffold before we lynch dat duckling

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Lmao imagine being scum and not forfeiting your NK to get me guaranteed lynched today

Lmaooooooooo

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I think I’m entirely willing to just lynch in (ducky, AF) at this point

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Because it is now confirmed that eth0s was just being bad when he suggested I was scum

So I think more likely scum was one of the two opportunistic “mena is scummy” limpets there

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I don’t really believe that 3 town thought I made sense as emps’ partner

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emps has been lynched Day 2. He was a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

.

The sun sets, it is now Night 2.

Sunrise in (expired on 2020-01-08 21:30:00).

This is the ideal scum flip. You may not like it, but this is what peak town performance looks like.

This was p great btw

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No it was decent but I just needed the time to *revel* in my newfound power

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Ahh confy confy town

Any scum feeling like shitpushing me today? Not so much? Didn’t think so somehow

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*shrug*

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Ahh confy confy town

Any scum feeling like

shitpushing me today? Not so much? Didn’t think so somehow

ttttemptationnnnnnnnnn

VOTE: ....mm.... mena...... pfhfihdicfh noooAARON FROST

We gottem bois

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Err no

Allow me, your conftown, to explain what we’re doing:

Ducky is going to explain who he thinks the babysitter is, point out the softs, and this claimed “interaction” with them

Babysitter is going to out and confirm whether they were in fact communicating with ducky

If

Let me repeat

IF

All of this checks out, we’re going to lynch in the two remaining slots and uncrowned is going to rb the other

By this point, we have 5 players left

If no NK we lynch the other of those two taking us to 4 players with 3 of us being conftown and an auto win

****

Let’s go through this with player names

Today: me!conftown, uncrowned!cojftown, babysitter!aldus, softcleared!ducky, AFF, lamist

We lynch lamist

Enter night

If no NK, we have 5 players the next day, 2 unconfirmed

Lynch aff

Players left: conftown me, conftown uncrowned, conftown babysitter, ducky — town wins

If we go for lynch lamist and then let’s say uncrowned gets killed but we know uncrowned was blocking the other one of the two scumreads, then we know it’s ducky by PoE so long as the babysitter intentionally doesn’t protect

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Okay if no CC te game is auto

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Ducky if you actually are babysitter you don’t use your power again

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Yeah the game is literally auto now, nice

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Mmmm

I think you’re probably scum who is lolmemeing bc you know it’s auto

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That will be an embarrassing comment if lamist doesn’t CC

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mena you thought I was the babysitter? lol

Nah I just yeeted your name in there bc I wanted to lynch you least out of everyone

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Yep that's exactly it. You uncovered my master plan.

I felt like that was fairly pointedly a comment directed towards ducky

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Mmmm

I think you’re probably scum who is lolmemeing bc you know it’s auto

That will be an embarrassing comment if lamist doesn’t CC

Deez 2 together

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Why is the universe conspiring against me when all I wanna do is lynch me a duckling

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Ducky goes on AFF then

Uncrowned on aldus

If uncrowned/me dies it’s confirmed AFF, he can’t target ducky bc he’d suicide

If nk we lynch aldus tomorrow

Then rb AFF N4 and lynch him the next day

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At this point in time I kinda think all the scum is in (emps, HH, lamist)

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I did not enjoy this game really but I greatly enjoyed datisi’s modding and thought it was excellent

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Uncrowned easily MVP

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also

yoink

no pagetop VCs for Datisi

FUCK

This got me while I was reading dead thread, was really surprised that you didn’t say anything when I did it

I didn’t consider that you might, you know, not shitpost in main thread as the mod

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I think if i were a player in the game I'd bin all his recent posts as NAI banter

This was the correct way to read my early play, incidentally

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@eth0s i think the way you played is exactly the opposite of the way to play with me ftr

My reads were fucking spot on until you started shitpushing me and completely ignoring everything that pointed towards town!me

If you’d actually talked to me instead of going for “yeah this is how scum!mena reacts” I probably would have got to scum!LAMIST on D2

Like, just, how am I meant to react to a push which has its fundamental base in “mena is capable of this as scum” rather than “mena is actually scummy/has done scummy shit”

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This is not to say that I should have played the way that I did, and I definitely should have just left the game alone when I was out drinking and come back to it the next day

The fact that you were in an anonymous hydra was frustrating because you were referencing meta with me that I couldn’t confirm or refute bc I didn’t know who you were even tho you knew who I was and were using that in your case

Also I wasn’t trying to be toxic after I was conf’d by uncrowned, those were meant to be lighthearted posts

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sup emps just checking the forums once more before sleeping

I think two things fucked you basically, (1) not being in control enough during the day and (2) bad NK choices

I'll try to go into it more soon if you like