Micro 917: Saga Mafia Game Over!

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Fuck this game.

I am a compulsive D1 vig.

If I don't shoot SOMEONE, it will randomly shoot someone so I am required to fucking shoot someone.
Fuck it so damn hard.
(Jingle I take it this is sufficient enough confirmation. )

I’m like half Protection Half Support type role.
Only 1 Single Ability though.
Unlimited uses.

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mastina is likely mastina this game

What Animal in the world would you compare your role to?

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Post.

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maybe if pink ball turns out to be obvtown or obvscum this game

I think someone in the Pink Ball engagement is scum.
My moneys on this guy.

VOTE: TemporalLich

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Is it wrong that I already think NK15 is locktown?

Not if your Masons with them.
They didn’t even talk yet.

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...you could have waited to actually find scum.

But imagine how hilarious it'd have been if I vigged scum pretty much before the game began.

What you do.
Is you take a Dab and play the Mozambique Song.

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Or Baby by Justin Bieber and direct it at the scum.

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Claim masons with NK15

Sounds Good to me!

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VOTE: Not Known 15

What’s your thoughts on the Pink Ball Flip as well as the mason Claim.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

...you could have waited to actually find scum.

But imagine how hilarious it'd have been if I vigged scum pretty much before the game began.

Why did you use your role prior to having any information from players? I understand that you say your role requires you to shoot Day 1, but I am not sure why you decided to do so immediately.

I mean does it matter why?
No host says “Alright. Prefect Idea. Let’s give Mafia a Day Vig.”

So regardless of what you think on this matter, you don’t need to criticize them just get straight to the point.
Tell them for in the future to discuss more before instantly shooting.

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Tinfoil theory that mafia were given a shot if they used it daystart.

Well we will know for sure by Day 2.

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So Judge and Temporal can be leaning more on the scum side for me.
Or rather the side that’s rather questioning.
But IDK they could both be Town.
I think however, until they give me more productive posts.
They remain on my “To Lynch” List.

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I am not criticizing them. I am asking with the intent to understand their thought process behind their action.

MK.
Isn’t it obvious that they shot for 1 of 2 reasons.

1) They don’t want to have PinkBall or Pine during LYLO
Or
2) They just wanted to quickly kill someone off and felt that PinkBall would be a good kill regardless of alignment.
But of course they still hope them to be scum.


But yes I agree they should have had more content to go off of before they shot.

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Doesn’t really matter now though.
They can keep it in mind though for Day 2.

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Claim masons with NK15

Fake.

But that`s not where my vote goes.
That dayvig...
was early. So what`s the motivation behind it being early? I don`t think that mastina would the type of player to use it early... as town. As scum, however, it allows her to avoid
1. us telling her who to shoot on pain of lynch(how about their partner?)
2. suspicion for kill reasons... or so she thought.

VOTE: mastina

Nope.
Try Again.
We wait for Day 2.
People sometimes don’t play the way you want them to.
Deal with it and improve, and convince and overcome, etc.

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VOTE: Mastina
Something something consequences.

No.
Bad Vote.

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If they can shoot Day 2 they are Town.
We do NOT lynch town’s only day shot tool.
If NK15 is scum he’s trying to make you lynch someone who can hurt him.
The Mod would NEVER ALLOW A FULLY SHOT Mafia Day Vigilante.
It would only be a 1 shot.
If they don’t shoot tomorrow they are scum claiming.
We don’t lynch our town shot today.

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Despite mastina's early dayvig (literally at start of D1 wth) this seems NAI.

I really dislike the NK15 + Cheeky pair, something tells me one of them is scum

I’m also thinking this.

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and yes I realize that Cheeky claimed masons, fight me

Do you also realize the claim was proven false?

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Actually
VOTE: TSE

Nice Jump Vote.
Care to explain your reasoning behind the vote?

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I am not criticizing them. I am asking with the intent to understand their thought process behind their action.

MK.
Isn’t it obvious that they shot for 1 of 2 reasons.

1) They don’t want to have PinkBall or Pine during LYLO
Or
2) They just wanted to quickly kill someone off and felt that PinkBall would be a good kill regardless of alignment.
But of course they still hope them to be scum.


But yes I agree they should have had more content to go off of before they shot.

Why are you talking on behalf of "then"? Can't you let "them" talk for "themselves"?

FoS TSE

Stop playing it like they are scum.
If they are it will be

OBVIOUS

by Day 2.
Stop pretending like that’s not the case.
For FoS that on me is scum play.
The Day Vigilante would be broken as mafia.
If they did add it as mafia we will know as they wouldn’t allow a consistent shooting mafia day Vig in a micro.

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Gonna say that my ability requires me to state my action in public in order for it to have it go in effect during the night.
If you guys wish I can hard Claim but until then I’ll keep my role hidden.

/target CheekyTeeky with my ability

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And

VOTE: 50 Judge Powers

That’s bad play and needs to die.
This isn’t Town.
Lynch this and I’ll target Cheeky who might be their partner distancing.
Prob not but my ability may tell me who knows.

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Claim masons with NK15

Fake.

But that`s not where my vote goes.
That dayvig...
was early. So what`s the motivation behind it being early? I don`t think that mastina would the type of player to use it early... as town. As scum, however, it allows her to avoid
1. us telling her who to shoot on pain of lynch(how about their partner?)
2. suspicion for kill reasons... or so she thought.

VOTE: mastina

Nope.
Try Again.

We wait for Day 2.

People sometimes don’t play the way you want them to.
Deal with it and improve, and convince and overcome, etc.

VOTE: TSE

Who the freak appointed you to tell people how to play and what to think? I mean, seriously.. this sounds like you are trying to monopolize the game according to your views, and only yours.

Yes. 50 let’s help you lynch the Town Day Vigilante so Town can lose.
Yes absolutely fantastic!
Of course we will help you win, you scum person.
Why not.

Yeah dude honestly, you ain’t Town.
No town would try and form a push on someone who is trying to defend a powerful town weapon.

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Actually
VOTE: TSE

GOOD VOTE. 100%. 20/20.

This is scum.
Please just read his posts and see what I see please.

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FTR, TSE has gone crazy I exposed his plan he isn't even reading the thread. (It' only 5 pages and he is already skimmimg??)

What’s my plan?

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If they can shoot Day 2 they are Town.
We do NOT lynch town’s only day shot tool.
If NK15 is scum he’s trying to make you lynch someone who can hurt him.
The Mod would NEVER ALLOW A FULLY SHOT Mafia Day Vigilante.
It would only be a 1 shot.
If they don’t shoot tomorrow they are scum claiming.
We don’t lynch our town shot today.

This is the most anti-town thought process I have come across in the past few months (and I have been playing with players who are ..

registered MafiaScum users

too)

So, we start with 9, one is vigged off the gate, we mislynch, Mafia kills someone at night, then we have another dayvig .. and we are already in LyLo on D2, with your assertion that this must be a Town Vig because the Mod won't give Mafia that much power. Do you even know how crazy this mod is? Damn, he's one of my

favourite mods

, and there has to be a reason to it!

TSE is scum 99.999% here. Mastina may still eb town, but Scum are trying to milk her -ve utility to the max. If she shoots again, that works in their favour. If she doesn't then that's where they lynch on D2 and win at night with their NK.

LYNCH THIS WITH FIRE (I'll get the quicklime for us to completely dissolve the corpse afterwards and let it run down the drain in the bath tub)

LYLO?
I thought it would be MYLO?

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For You to say I’m 99.99% Scum is bad.
Your only reason is because I’m defending whom I believe to be Town and towns strongest Weapon?
As the day doesn’t even have 7 pages yet.
If your town, please note that I am Town that can actually confirm a mafia if done correctly.
As of now. I believe you to be scum.

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You need to go back to elementary school if you can't even count up to 4 (or calculate 9-4=5)

PB already vigged .. we are 8 now
We mislynch .. we are 7 going into the night
Mafia kill .. we start D2 with 6 players
Another DayVig .. we are 5. How is it MyLo??

If Mastina doesn't have a 2nd shot (and she likely doesn't according to her) THEN we are in MyLo. The again, what good is NL when scum will kill and we will be in a 5 players LyLo on D3 with you pushing Mastina still???

Well you can at least understand my thought process here.
Assuming it would be MYLO.
Lynching the Vigilante Day 1 would be the worst thing to do for Town.

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I don't care what you claim to be nor do I care what you believe my alignment is. Your whole scheme stinks. Had you said you think Mastina was Town and shut up, I may have believed you. But you are

clearly setting her up for a mislynch

at this point. Your plan is to "wait and see if she has another shot" which you state will confirm her as town, when she had already told us she was 1-shot. If her claim is legit, then she will NOT have a 2nd shot, and that's where you retract your TR on her. Nice try.

LMFAO.
WTF! XD
I’m doing the opposite of that.
I’m trying to stop her from being miss lynched.

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You bloody said THIS:

If they can shoot Day 2 they are Town.

We do NOT lynch town’s only day shot tool.
If NK15 is scum he’s trying to make you lynch someone who can hurt him.
The Mod would NEVER ALLOW A FULLY SHOT Mafia Day Vigilante.
It would only be a 1 shot.

If they don’t shoot tomorrow they are scum claiming.

We don’t lynch our town shot today.

After she had already said this:

I am a compulsive D1 vig.

And this:

Butyeah, wasn't kidding. Was a compulsive D1 vigilante. I've got no powers now.

So how how the freak are you NOT setting her up for a mislynch?

You bloody even quoted her first post and responded to it, so have you been hypnotized when you did all that?

HOLY SHIT IM A FUCKIN IDIOT.
I didn’t realize it was Day 1 only.
I didn’t read properly.

UNVOTE: 50 Judge Powers

Yeah I my bad.
I would have actually pushed me too if I noticed that like you did.
But no i just didn’t realize it was Day 1 Only.
And I know you may be like “oh BS, your scum” or like “still bad, your scum”
But I honestly just get lazy allot or focus on one factor and don’t read the entire thing.
I’m now putting you as one of my top Town reads.

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Like, you are either lying through your teeth or you are not reading the thread AT ALL. Now WHO makes cases and fabricates reads when they have read NOTHING? SCUM DO!

Cases?
Fabricated reads?
WDYM.
I haven’t even made an actual full on read.
Just read guts or read by what’s said.
I haven’t really cased anyone.
Like a real case anyways.

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I still think Mast is Town though but yeah it’s possible they could be scum.

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That’s a possible role for scum.
Just a full on consistent Day Vigilante would never be scum aligned.
That’s why I was defending it so hard.

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@TL
What’s your thoughts so far.
Just asking to get a clearer view on your slot.

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@TL
What’s your thoughts so far.
Just asking to get a clearer view on your slot.

you're likely scum for seemingly knowing too much, mastina is possible town (the claim seems towny), judge feels town to me (good play), and it's hard for me to sort cheeky.

Seemingly knowing too much?
WDYM by this?
What exactly do I know?

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Even if TSE didn't know anything at all, TSE still flipped out inthread and acted like caught scum (probably because of Judge) so I'm unlikely to want to hold back any time soon.

And if you think 122 comes from a town mindset, you're wrong. It reeks of reactionary thinking and psychological projection.

Like caught scum?
Over that post?
Looking at it from my perspective take this into account.
Assuming it was a full on Vigilante that could shoot consistently was I wrong to say that?
I mean I just didn’t want Mafia misslynching are greatest power Day 1.
As Day 2 we would be fucked.

VOTE: TL

IDK.
I think your scum trying to push on me using a reason and dull as the one you made and trying to make it actually look like something.
@50 Judge Powers if you do lynch me please lynch TL next or at least note they aren’t Townie for doing this.
If you get NKed then hopefully everyone still acknowledges that TL is very possible scum here.

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@TL
What’s your thoughts so far.
Just asking to get a clearer view on your slot.

you're likely scum for seemingly knowing too much, mastina is possible town (the claim seems towny), judge feels town to me (good play), and it's hard for me to sort cheeky.

Seemingly knowing too much?
WDYM by this?
What exactly do I know?

I mean that you know who the scum is... by being scum of course

?
Yeah no Duh?
If you going with the Vigilante being scum and me defending then that’s just a bad thought process NGL.

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And 146 is conceding that TSE is the likely lynch but still trying to line up mislynches...

That is what scum do, not town.

I’m only voting you.

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Add to that a dash of pocketing and if TSE is town this game this game is cursed

Who’s it cursed?

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And TBH I think your the one who’s trying to pocket 50.
You even use the same reasons he did but more dull.
You aren’t even making a good case like he did your just stating basic stuff hoping to look good after my miss lynch.
(Like scum knowing who scum is and I’m voting him so he believes it to be that I’m trying to make everyone Misslynched.)
He’s just pulling shit out of his ass TBH.
@50 Please look at me from a Town Perspective then Read TL and you’ll understand if you haven’t already.

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And in case TL gets to there.
Yes I’m only @ing 50 because he’s my most confident Town read RN.

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And 146 is conceding that TSE is the likely lynch but still trying to line up mislynches...

That is what scum do, not town.

I’m only voting you.

You're trying to get Judge to vote me even if you get lynched today...

Pocket + lining up a mislynch.

I'm not sure how scum can be that transparently scummy tbh

I’m on break so I’ll check in.
If I am lining up your misslynch after my lynch it

isn't scummy

because I’ve had already flipped Town.

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I am not criticizing them. I am asking with the intent to understand their thought process behind their action.

MK.
Isn’t it obvious that they shot for 1 of 2 reasons.

1) They don’t want to have PinkBall or Pine during LYLO
Or
2) They just wanted to quickly kill someone off and felt that PinkBall would be a good kill regardless of alignment.
But of course they still hope them to be scum.


But yes I agree they should have had more content to go off of before they shot.

Why are you talking on behalf of "then"? Can't you let "them" talk for "themselves"?

FoS TSE

Stop playing it like they are scum.
If they are it will be

OBVIOUS

by Day 2.
Stop pretending like that’s not the case.
For FoS that on me is scum play.
The Day Vigilante would be broken as mafia.
If they did add it as mafia we will know as they wouldn’t allow a consistent shooting mafia day Vig in a micro.

How will it be obvious by Day 2 when they have claimed to be Compulsive Day 1 Vigilante? This has already been brought up.

Mhm.
Didn’t realize that till 50 mentioned it.

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I Town read Suji for their recent posts they just made.
It’s a slight read but still a read nonetheless.

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And here I was thinking I post too much lol. TSE can you try being a little bit more coherent rather than spam the thread with "no u" arguments for people being scum.

I just respond to everyone in individual posts.
Anyway I’m working.
Cya all after work if I’m still alive by then.

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TSE seems to know who is scum and not scum... by virtue of being scum

As in, the push on mastina was merely lining up a lynch, not an actual accusation of mastina being a gated scum!vig

That makes no sense either way.
If I was scum why would I care to defend my buddy Martina. In fact I would have already stated they were 1 Shot Day 1 Vigilante from the gecko.
If I am scum and they are Town I would want to lynch them Day 1 not the opposite.

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@50 Judge Powers if you do lynch me please lynch TL next or at least note they aren’t Townie for doing this.
If you get NKed then hopefully everyone still acknowledges that TL is very possible scum here.

I am going to take a step back and let others decide on whether this was an honest mistake on your part or not.

HOWEVER, let me tell you this: IF you are Town, then this is EXACTLY what pisses me off about Mafia nowadays. Too many players have turned complete trolls. Too many players are useless lurkers (as if they intentionally join games to kill the fum for others no more). And too many do not read (some read but can't comprehend).

In your case, I could have accepted you didn't read if the game was fast paced. Like, 30 pages in one day and someone skimming fast so not everything their eyes read stick to their mind. But it was a mere 5 pages in 25 hours.

You even quoted one of the posts

mastina specified she was a D1 compulsive Vig. Did it not occure to you that there's something amiss? Didn't you think for a second to go reread?

And it's not just about mastina, fyi. You also said I was trying to lynch her

after

I had said she was likely town and said that your likely partner was Sujimichi. That is what I meant by you making cases/reads without reading.

So, once again let me assume that it was an honest mistake. Now how do you explain you not reading my posts either? Are 5 pages too much for you?

The last point is you semi-claimed on page 1 without any reason? Why did you hint you were a JOAT (You didn't say "JOAT" but you strongly hinted it) with protective and investigative shots there? To me this is likely an attempt to bait a CC from an investigative/protective. It's as if you decided to get yourself in a 1v1 with a TPR, and you either manage to lynch them or you get lynched and your p knows where to shoot on N1.

As I said, I have made my case. Everyone else is free to make their minds up about what they think about it.

Yeah posts like this one hear I usually half read that’s why I didn’t catch it but I think I understand a bit of it now.
So you think my partner is Suji with my lack of interaction with them. So how did you come to the conclusion that they would be my buddy and even why is Suji scummy towards you?

Regarding Mastina if you look back at PU15 (or whatever his name is)
He was asking Mastina questions and I felt as if they were locked Town and that saying stuff like that shouldn’t be done.
Because the way he did it felt like he was trying to

FoS

Mastina.

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And either way Pine is Town (he's the one mastina wants to shoot next if she could)

How have you determined Pine is town at this point?

If TSE is Scum and he wants mastina to shoot again (when she had already said it was Pine she wanted to shoot if it wasn't PB) then she is Town and Pine is Town.

What’s your read on TL?
As I feel as if their reasoning is something that scum can easily make up with little to no effort.

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How does directing my original questioning toward mastina further my goal of not alienating mastina versus not engaging there, to begin with? Can you explain your townread comment on me, because it is not obvious to me how it was a "meme?"

Your line of questioning seems to be "let me try and see if I can make 50 look bad to switch the heat off my p". For real.

But you know what? Even assuming TSE is this bad as Town (hint: he is NOT) your posts here smell all the same!!

Btw, I did not say YOU were trying not to alienate mastina. I said TSE was coaching you to rephrase your posts so as not to alienate her (i.e. the way you were semi-shading her was likely to annoy her and thus she may have considered shooting you next, if I choose to buy TSE didn't even notice mastina claimed 1-shot)

So because of my mistake. Your saying that makes me bad at Town?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

When no ones perfect and everyone makes mistakes at least 1 point in their life. :/

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I Town read Suji for their recent posts they just made.
It’s a slight read but still a read nonetheless.

Please answer my question in post 160 as it seems you may have missed it.

No didn’t miss it.
At that time I still thought Mast was full Day Vigilante.
So I for them saying What they said if that was the case would almost always be scum.
As why would Town defend the person who is trying to push a full day Vigilante and attacking the one who’s against losing a very important town member that if we lose them could cost Town the game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Holy Shit.
SUJI WAS MAFIA!?!

That fake claim was god play.
MVP Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thank you, but the idea was of mastina’s creation. To be fair, it was not fake as I really was a Follower, followed mastina, and received the result that she performed a killing action. I just also happened to be on her team.

You actually give me a little more credit than I deserve. I told you to target whoever you thought you'd target if you were town with your role--even if it was me. And I told you to, with whatever result you got, claim it in the way you thought you would if you had that result as town.

You were the one who thought you would indeed target me, and you were the one who decided to prod for the guilty and claim it once you had affirmation of it being a guilty.

You also didn't have my guidance for D3 which was all you, and I'm pretty sure that while I did give thoughts on not killing Cheeky, that you came up with the Pine nightkill on your own; both of those I can't claim credit for so those are both things you deserve recognition for.

Well-done. <3

Yeah this was a scum deserved win.

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Good Play by Scum.