Micro 916: Medical Meme Mafia (Game Over!)

[ObviousScum]

Hi I'll be your Town CPR Goon, who wants some of my sweet deadly loving tonight?

[ObviousScum]

Amrun can you summarize your baggage with Iconeum for the rest of us?

[ObviousScum]

I had no context and no reason to assume it was a joke!

I thought it sounded serious, and if there was some baggage between you two I think it'd be good to clear the air rather than dance around it.

[ObviousScum]

You got me, I am obvious scum

[ObviousScum]

I'm leaning toward agreeing with massclaiming actions before night but I'm still not sure what ways town could be punished for it, I feel like there's the potential for a lot of confusion and a maximum potential of four possible deaths? Are we going to be able to make sense of night actions even with day 1 target claim?

[ObviousScum]

hey obviousscum are you by chance an alt of blatant scum

If I was I think some mods would be very upset

[ObviousScum]

hmm

if everyone acts is there a risk that we do not actually get a day 2?

in theory that should be an unlikely scenario but it is possible to go mislynch (6-2) --> CPR, quack, weak, nightkill --> (2-2) for a 1-night town loss?

not that I think we could actually stop people, and it's more fun to try to vig people anyway I'm sure, but that is a little concerning lol

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Hectic

Hmm this looks like trying too hard

[ObviousScum]

its probably technically optimal to just not use our night actions?

but like who signs up for a bastard game to talk mechanics smh

Pretty much agreed on both points

[ObviousScum]

what if we just all target the same person? like all of the doctors target the same guy

what happens then?

depends on if that person is town or scum

if town then only the nightkill target of scum dies and we get an IC in the collective target, and then we have to figure out if a second death is a scum kill or the weak doctor

if scum, then weak doctor dies, and then if second death occurs then the target is confscum, which means scum are likely to no kill to make it unclear and prevent the IC

it does keep the number of deaths to a minimum though so there's some merit in the idea

[ObviousScum]

what if we just all target the same person? like all of the doctors target the same guy

what happens then?

i tried to think of what would happen but i forgot that doctors arent supposed to target themselves sooooo

true, this is another problem. if the one being targeted is a real doctor, then that throws off the math and creates more confusion as well

in addition to the fact that trying to get the entire town to agree to target someone is probably just not going to happen

[ObviousScum]

have you ever played with hectic before?

this isn't a meta argument

do you think he is town off meta?

[ObviousScum]

did somebody say l-1?

VOTE: hectic

[ObviousScum]

so hes not exactly
"trying hard"

also my pagetop hehe

I think you misunderstood the type of trying hard I was referring to

[ObviousScum]

were u scum?

[ObviousScum]

Did you know goldfish can remember things for up to five months? It's true cause I read it on the interwebs

[ObviousScum]

What do you think of Amrun Hectic?

[ObviousScum]

I'm trying to decide if her push on me was scum having a bad start or town picking a fight to get the ball rolling. I'm having a hard time accepting that you as town actually think the logic of her push was good tbh

[ObviousScum]

actually now that i look at his posts they seem kinda akward/forced tbh

Mine? I'm not claiming there's method to my madness, but I've had some slow RVS starts recently, so kick starting the game with a lot of content (memery or not) was what I was going for.

this is nagl

[ObviousScum]

i think both were pretty obviously jokes

idk that your jake vote was obviously a joke, I'm not sure it was 'serious' but it seemed like a normal push?

[ObviousScum]

whoa, mod interference!

I'm the real quack here, don't let anyone tell you different

[ObviousScum]

here's never going to be "good" evidence for someone being scum in early D1 and people just vote what feels kinda scummy

this is kinda what pinged me about hectic making three different posts over 10 minutes leading up to his vote on me tbh

[ObviousScum]

Can we all take a moment to appreciate datisi's memes. That last one was some grade-a dadjoke material

[ObviousScum]

yeah i think its kinda bad that i have basically nothing to comment abt obviousscum despite the fact that he has 23 posts

good distancing!

and we don't exactly have two vigs

the problem we are faced with is that in a bastard game if a real doc and a vig doc both target scum, then they save the scum

but there's no good way to play around it. all we can do is say who we're going to target and hope there's enough pieces left tomorrow that whoever is still alive can figure at least some of it out

[ObviousScum]

Amrun I kinda feel like you're, idk how to put this, ... innocent?

usually when people announce a gladiate due to a past game in RVS it's not really a joke but the implication is that it kinda doesn't matter if the other person is town or scum, it's just an acknowledgement that you're gonna try to make them die no matter what

in this case you were joking and you have no such beef, or at least not nearly to the extent implied, but for people who don't really know you... I think you're assuming people would take that post in the manner you intended when they might take it as a totally straightforward "ima fite u" opening post

so it's not that people thought that you were saying you were both town, it's that it reads like you're saying you just don't care about his alignment, at least on the level of implication if not grammar

[ObviousScum]

@Lion, I'm more interested in the setup rn

y tho?

whenever I try to think about this setup my head hurts a little bit

do you have any reads?

[ObviousScum]

Time for a fresh scum-driven wagon

VOTE: non lmh

[ObviousScum]

Time for a fresh scum-driven wagon

VOTE: non lmh

srs vote or?

I'll decide when I see content from him whether it's serious or not

[ObviousScum]

Boring gamestate

VOTE: george

l-1 let's yeet it bois

I'm vigging Amrun tonight say your target when you hammer okaay?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Jake

[ObviousScum]

read it as "de-liver"

[ObviousScum]

idgaf about GL, I'm just voting someone talking about wagon purity, wagons don't have bloodlines man.

#AllWagonsMatter

[ObviousScum]

how do you misrepresent a naked vote lol

[ObviousScum]

Dayvig: Jake

[ObviousScum]

Kinda thought that was townie for Hectic

[ObviousScum]

Still not a big fan of his early posting tho so maybe

[ObviousScum]

dude this is a bastard setup with a hilarious number of possible deaths at night

we're already in endgame

[ObviousScum]

emps vigs icon
OS vigs Amrun
guilty vigs non lmh

best plan 10/10

[ObviousScum]

intend to hammer

you had never mentioned george before this right?

[ObviousScum]

I'll explain in the pt one sec

[ObviousScum]

was that a glycolisis joke? I think my knowledge of chemistry is a bit low for that one lol

[ObviousScum]

VC

Welcome to Budget hospital. We're too poor to afford an actual vote count.

hmm, this slot must be day-bp vs my dayvig, seems like a scum ability to me

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Iconeum

[ObviousScum]

You were asking the right question in 346

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: non lmh

[ObviousScum]

why is icon null?

[ObviousScum]

They haven't really done anything townie

why is this null to you in this gamestate?

[ObviousScum]

Explain the point of either one of his votes or the point of his intent

both votes were also pre-concussion

[ObviousScum]

First vote was an RVS, and second vote was pressure on a low-activity slot.

That or in reaction to the lion vote

a) if it was in reaction to the lion vote, why is voting lion scummy there?
b) if it's pressure on a low activity slot, why is it a naked vote with no other comment about lmh?

[ObviousScum]

Emps - ObviousScum - GuiltyLion

Amrun

Hectic

-

George

Bailey

-

Jake

The

Wolfie

Iconeum - Non lmh

I see no reason to oppose Iconeum and non lmh as a perfect town solve that must be eradicated immediately

[ObviousScum]

Sorry, I don't really understand the question.

I don't think it was in reaction to the Lion vote (from what I can tell). And some people just pressure with naked votes. Is not having a comment AI?

parking your vote with no actual pressure on a slot you want content from in post-RVS + declaring intent on a slot you have made 0 comment about before can certainly be a sign of

town

that doesn't particularly want to play the game, yes

[ObviousScum]

Emps - ObviousScum - GuiltyLion

Amrun

Hectic

-

George

Bailey

-

Jake

The

Wolfie

Iconeum - Non lmh

I see no reason to oppose Iconeum and non lmh as a perfect town solve that must be eradicated immediately

My lmh vote might be the greatest vote in the history of votes

If I'm wrong on icon it's probably hectic

Let's make that l-3 an l-0 bois

[ObviousScum]

y not?

why is georgie porgy the pudding to your pie?

[ObviousScum]

Do you scumread George for any reason other than the fact you don't like his puns and he voted you at one point?

[ObviousScum]

id rather not lynch non imh today

choose between george and jake tbh

y not?

why is georgie porgy the pudding to your pie?

eh last minute deadline wagons rarely ever go well

i mean theres 2 days left but still i dont think its a great idea

I reread you and do you even scumread george or are you just bored of this dayphase? you said you would hammer him but you never said you actually scumread him?

can I get a readslist from you emps

[ObviousScum]

Did somebody say l-1?

[ObviousScum]

Is that good evidence for me being scum, or "look at the trees" evidence?

j/w but what is "look at the trees" evidence?

[ObviousScum]

it's pretty tempting to hammer you just for the self-vote ngl

[ObviousScum]

before you self-voted you were at l-2 tied with an opposing wagon that you support so this AtE seems kinda ?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

I am now at L-1. Which of you will flip me as town?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Jake

Challenge accepted!

[ObviousScum]

Proposition if we lynch Jake:
Hectic targets Noni
Noni targets emps
emps targets George
George targets Obum
Obum targets Iconeum
Iconeum targets GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion targets Amrun
Amrun targets Hectic

Helps patch together the remains tomorrow if we follow something. I've tried to put townreads targeting potential scumreads for this list.

[ObviousScum]

stuck to the plan and did icon

[ObviousScum]

that was fast

Karnage your predecessor claimed nurse, please confirm that's your real role

[ObviousScum]

Just confirm who you targeted last night.

[ObviousScum]

there's always a plan

who did you target dragonboi

[ObviousScum]

GeogreBailey

mod please stop torturing my ocd

VOTE: George

if he flips town, GL you should target karnage I think

[ObviousScum]

but gl is also the guy im locktowning rn soooooo

so scum no-killed?

i think this means he isnt aware theres like 6 doctors total in this game sooo

don't replacements usually look at at least a little bit of the setup tho?

[ObviousScum]

Hi I'll be your Town CPR Goon, who wants some of my sweet deadly loving tonight?

obviously I saved icon :3

anyway doc

[ObviousScum]

UNVOTE:

momentary doubts about george as ever

idk icon isn't a bad pick for scum

[ObviousScum]

bottom 3 for sure

[ObviousScum]

statistically there's the minor chance that hec died on lmh as well but I'm not sure it's significant enough to TRUMP reads

[ObviousScum]

if scum shot was saved then hec might have been the weak

would imply that Amrun was naive I guess? that or amrun was the CPR

NA's a mess probably should stop thinking about it

[ObviousScum]

Weak Doctor dies if it targets a Mafia Goon (and isn't protected themself).

[ObviousScum]

I wanna say it's like, a 5% greater chance that karnage is goon from the flips

not like a big chance (cause there's so much noise in the setup) but a little bit

[ObviousScum]

(emps/hec/lion)townblock for me rn
(amrun/icon/obum)null
(jake,george)scum, maybe

I like Jake, not scum IMO

I'm sure people will say this is readable but I have no idea what to do with it tbh

hard to townread

[ObviousScum]

Just confirm who you targeted last night.

I'm not going to do anything until I've caught up.

karnage's no kill idea and no lynch idea are both bad

hard to townread

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: iconeum

[ObviousScum]

is ico town?

[ObviousScum]

You say this like there are 6 traditional doctors. 1 is a vig, 1 isn't actually a doctor, 1 is a CPT doctor... why is a scum no kill any less likely than a doctor protection?

because scum never no kills in a bastard game

[ObviousScum]

well, unless they fail to submit a kill

non lmh + icon could theoretically no kill

but that wouldn't be a strategic choice

[ObviousScum]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[ObviousScum]

489 was asking for emps to give his read of ico in case that was unclear

I'm not sure I follow what is scummy about changing reads a lot?

[ObviousScum]

253 -- bored and thought most of the active posters were townish

273 -- yep

285 -- didn't like the push on GL

357 -- didn't see the point in anything iconeum was doing

361 -- didn't like the unvote

408 -- think this one's obvious

[ObviousScum]

sure but why?

[ObviousScum]

yeah but if he's town doesn't he look at least at the last few posts before doing his NA? like wouldn't he be curious in the hammer and aftermath? I'd almost have an easier time accepting him just not doing a NA than ignoring the 'plan'

[ObviousScum]

hmmmmm

maybe

I didn't really like his intent or what he did with his non vote tho

[ObviousScum]

you gonna keep making up reasons to scumread me?

give me some reasons to townread you then

[ObviousScum]

If I'm scum, do I not look at the NA-plan or have my buddies in the PT help me with an action?

I mean you could just say you targeted whoever you want and take a shot at someone and then feel pretty okay with just lying with this excuse this way

why'd you target me again anyway?

[ObviousScum]

do work my boiii

UNVOTE:

[ObviousScum]

my main issue right now is that this game involves a lot of PR and NA analysis which is my absolute weakpoint

I mean it's like impossible to make heads or tails of so I wouldn't worry about it too much

[ObviousScum]

did I unvote ico so he could do work and then he stopped posting

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: ico

[ObviousScum]

wAgOn HoPpInG iS sCuMmY

[ObviousScum]

I unvoted you so you could obvtown and solve

and you took it as an invitation to zzz

[ObviousScum]

farewell, dragonboiiiii

[ObviousScum]

did you ever explain why you chose me?

[ObviousScum]

random choice

how did you determine the random choice? coin flip? random.org?

[ObviousScum]

who's a better lynch than you today?

[ObviousScum]

emps?

[ObviousScum]

???

@mod

if Amrun or Hectic were nurse would they have flipped as nurse or doctor?

[ObviousScum]

bastard games gonna bastard I guess

[ObviousScum]

you're like 100% on town GL? like he's the most articulate and sensible player here so he reads really easy but I have no idea what his scum range is. have you played vs scum GL or just feel he's obvtown based on the clarity of thought this game?

[ObviousScum]

emps/george/obvscum

I'm not scumreading obvscum thru his interactions with me. I've had my share fair of pushes on me, and he is treating me with the intent to sort me rather then just push.

is this a defensive pocket or genuine solving?

[ObviousScum]

so 'no one' goes on GL, we leash GL to 1-2 scummiest slots, everyone else yolos outside of GL/2 scummy slots?

UNLESS THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANT THE SCUM TO THINK :kappa

[ObviousScum]

hmm if we don't lynch iconeum we could have him on GL

current spec suggests that icon is not JK no matter what else he is

that would require him being able to follow a plan though

[ObviousScum]

unless icon is jk and blocked GL's block on amrun and scum shot amrun

you know fuck this setup and fuck its spec

j/p datisi I <3 u

[ObviousScum]

every time I try to think of what's logical to do with NA's it makes me want to say "fuck it everyone yolo" even though that might lose

[ObviousScum]

or we could all go on emps, have GL vig someone, go from there

day 3: "icon who'd you get on"

icon: "ur mom"

[ObviousScum]

hmmmmmm

that's a good point

but there's two scenarios

[ObviousScum]

green flip: no one NAs except GL (or yolo, doubt we can stop everyone lol)
red flip: Gl vigs someone and everyone gets on emps, near-ICing him on double kill

[ObviousScum]

i think every1 going on me is a worse idea than targeting whoever we sr(other than who gl is vigging) and praying we have a paranoid doc

how is ICing you worse if we get a red flip? I don't get it

[ObviousScum]

you still scumread me huh?

[ObviousScum]

What's your full reads list?

[ObviousScum]

wait right if theres a kill im cleared cos of paranoid

but also theres a chance theres not paranoid

soooo

true, technically more of a 50% IC, but still not a statistically insignificant number

[ObviousScum]

What's your full reads list?

@Karnage

[ObviousScum]

Can you expand on where you see town in george, ico, and GL?

[ObviousScum]

Also, would you say your reads are typically above or below rand?

[ObviousScum]

what does this even mean?

do you usually have good reads?

[ObviousScum]

I'm not a fan of George's absence but I kinda liked his last post. Coming into today he kinda skips karnage who was being pushed and goes for ico instead who he'd positioned before as a mid-tier read. Now it's possible he'd go for ico for not 'following the plan' as scum but I feel like it makes sense to push players who are playing kinda overtly anti-town?

[ObviousScum]

os
emps/gl
all else

[ObviousScum]

I don't really see scum anywhere, I just see more townie and less townie

That's why I've been trying to find town

Icon's response to me felt ok although risk of defensive pocket
your wim seems ok but your reads look gross
george has a few posts I like, one post I don't like, and an absence I dislike

emps has seemed to have good presence throughout the game and a good tone
GL looks like the best read for vig and a pretty clear read of the game but I guess I'd feel better about him if I saw one or two things I wan't go into

there's not really anyone I'd say "oh no, never ever flips scum here" but no one I'm like "oh yeah 1000% scum" either, just a messy murk of a game frankly

[ObviousScum]

your wim seems ok but your reads look gross

also feel like you really haven't done much solving up until now tbh, more one push on me and then called it a day until I directly asked you for reads

feel like on replacing in maybe you'd find town first? idk

[ObviousScum]

Did you eliminate George/Emps?

[ObviousScum]

it's weird to me that nobody else is really vibing with my scumread there

I mean a lot of your scumread is off meta

[ObviousScum]

I've tossed out George's name as a suspect several times now and nobody is biting at that, which makes me think George might be town and designated lynchbait

like you've said it but I don't really feel like you've sold it that hard? idk

[ObviousScum]

2) I messaged Datisi a few days ago asking whether the Nurse would flip as Doc if they died N1 and their answer was Nurse always flips as Nurse. so somebody is 100% lying about being a doctor and I'd really like them to claim explicitly in case that gives us useful night action info or in case we're barking up the wrong tree

j/w but why did you think to ask this?

[ObviousScum]

wim?

'wanting it more'

also just refers generally to presence and activity which is statistically very slightly town indicative

[ObviousScum]

You're also not voting George?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: George

Now if you vote him, technically you're sheeping me!

:3

[ObviousScum]

Why am I not obvtown to you yet

I'm pretty obvtown ngl

[ObviousScum]

It's right there in the name; ObviousTown

[ObviousScum]

That's why everyone calls me OT for short

[ObviousScum]

Why am I not obvtown to you yet

I'm pretty obvtown ngl

Shhh don't out me this is all part of my master plan

[ObviousScum]

also just refers generally to presence and activity which is statistically very slightly town indicative

Are you implying I haven't been sufficiently active?

FaCt ChEcK: did I say ur wim was hi or lo?

[ObviousScum]

Its just site jargon

It means no, I'm not scumreading you due to activity, hence it's ok. I was contrasting you to george for whom it is a concern

[ObviousScum]

Squares

fine it's me

[ObviousScum]

if you had me outside your vig pool I probably could have just not claimed and surfed into d3 assuming we didn't get rolled tho

[ObviousScum]

I think emps is like locktown for the way he handled the lack of a nurse claim btw

[ObviousScum]

also tbh I'm ok just lynching chemist and not forcing him to catchup only to die

[ObviousScum]

Part of me is a bit worried that we all accepted gl as the vig too easily but I also kinda don't wanna overthink this game

[ObviousScum]

Not a great vote history tho :p

[ObviousScum]

thread: "omg we can't solve without the nurse claim!!!!"
nurse: 'fuck it fine'
thread: [silence]

[ObviousScum]

Spoiler: 4 emps

although its a meme game still my 5th time rolling scum in a row

you know emps it bothers me when you say stuff like this

[ObviousScum]

how dare you prod on super bowl weekend

lol just kidding I don't watch sports

anyway are we still playing this game

[ObviousScum]

How u feel about icon?

[ObviousScum]

good thing I claimed so that literally nothing could change

[ObviousScum]

No rush guys, take your time

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Karnage

Changed my mind, I'm just going to lynch the slot that tunneled all day on town

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: chemist

[ObviousScum]

Gl may do as he pleases

[ObviousScum]

I'll go last

This should be a spicy day

[ObviousScum]

I guess I shoulda said "GL may do as he pleases but don't shoot emps" LOLOL

rly tho he was obvtown

[ObviousScum]

Wanna say its weird to think you're nurse and not vig?

[ObviousScum]

also why would anyone nurse hunt is kinda beyond me since there is 0 reason to crumb

[ObviousScum]

I'm very tempted to reverse bop non lmh but that's kinda meh
But her reads look a touch of tmi, the thought crossed my mind

[ObviousScum]

It'd be nice if we finished claims, I don't really know why you're still alive

[ObviousScum]

I guess emps makes sense since I said he was obvtown but when do you not kill the vig?

[ObviousScum]

so theory is scum double killed emps? Or tested on me? Or gl is scum?

where u at ico?

[ObviousScum]

Oh ya i did nothing

[ObviousScum]

do u agree gl is town ico?

[ObviousScum]

dude if I was fakeclaiming nurse this deep in that'd be pretty dope

but ya I am

[ObviousScum]

it's not impossible

another possibility is n1 george shot me and you saved me and then scum double killed with GL n2

[ObviousScum]

in your theory amrun was the vig

[ObviousScum]

N1:

Hectic

targets Noni
Noni targets

emps

emps

targets

George

George

targets

ObviousScum

ObviousScum

targets Iconeum
Iconeum targets

ObviousScum

*not the plan*
GuiltyLion targets

Amrun

Amrun

targets

Hectic

n2:
ObviousScum targets no one
GuiltyLion targets

emps

Iconeum targets

ObviousScum

Karnage targets

Obviousscum

[ObviousScum]

Emps was not Weak Doctor
ObviousScum is Nurse
GuiltyLion cannot be CPRDoctor

Amrun was likely either vig or CPRDoctor, so Amrun was probably the CPRDoctor
GuiltyLion is likely either vig or goon, but if not vig, who is vig?

1 Doctor
1 Weak Doctor
1 CPR Doctor
1 Paranoid Doctor
1 Quack Doctor
1 Naive Doctor
1 Nurse
2 Mafia Goons

[ObviousScum]

Lynch karnage, GL targets you, I target GL, you target no one (if town)?

only bad times if I inherited JK but I can also no action if karnage flips green idk

not sure if there's anyway to determine who the JK is or if jk is dead

[ObviousScum]

I could theoretically be vig if you're JK

[ObviousScum]

I still think Karnage's case on me was like extremely shitty even if his tone every now and then seems vaguely townie

you were basically MIA for most of the game and then came in with a nice bus

GL wanted george all of day 1 which would be +risky if he got him, although he didn't sell george suuuuper hard. still risk of getting eaten by vig is like 1/6 so idk

[ObviousScum]

GeogreBailey

mod please stop torturing my ocd

VOTE: George

if he flips town, GL you should target karnage I think

Obv scum reads George, ok

UNVOTE:

momentary doubts about george as ever

idk icon isn't a bad pick for scum

abracadbra, the scum read has disappeared!

VOTE: iconeum

Now he's voting with his old scum read?

ehhh i dont like this ico wagon

is ico town?

Funny feeling another scum read is about to vanish into thin air

VOTE: obvscum

wanna bet his vote magically appears on me before long?

slot that wrote this post can die every time imo

[ObviousScum]

if somehow we're supposed to figure out that GL being vig is impossible I don't know how

I guess I coulda tried to doc emps last night but *shrug* if you're JK it wouldn't have done anything anyway

[ObviousScum]

but if you're JK you would keep the game going lol

[ObviousScum]

do I no action again or do I target GL if karnage flips town?

:thinking

[ObviousScum]

dis is true

so lynch karnage
gl vigs ico
ico 'jks' gl?

i no action?

[ObviousScum]

?

if there's no kill, GL is confscum because maths

[ObviousScum]

this is why GL being alive is kinda confusing but *shrug*

if GL is scum he played ~pretty good?

[ObviousScum]

but if you're scum then GL is vig and he shoots you thus you lose

scum don't have an actual JK

[ObviousScum]

2 Mafia Goons

holy shit did Ico just like towntell super fucking hard?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Karnage

I don't really feel like overthinking this game tbh

[ObviousScum]

I'm pretty sold that you didn't actually realize the scum only had 2 goons LOL

[ObviousScum]

[ObviousScum]

lol if karnage is town and GL loses cause you're JK that would be soooo tilting

he'd be like losing to a 20% chance I think

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Scum just mia n1?

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pretty sure I learned more about medicine from this game than I have from any other genre of meme