Micro 916: Medical Meme Mafia (Game Over!)

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VOTE: Iconeum

We cannot be doomed to cross voting as town in LyLo again. One of us dies here.

I accept this. It's better for everyone if we get this out of the way now.

VOTE: Amrun

hey obviousscum are you by chance an alt of blatant scum

emps you shalleth not fool me again with your gamblers fallacy. You have rolled scum in your last 4 (or is it 5 games), so you are close to 100% scum this time as well.

But I have to kill amrun first so we can win LYLO, please stand by for D2.

quack

quack

whoa, mod interference!

I'm the real quack here, don't let anyone tell you different

I hard counter claim all of these. I'm the quack doctor.

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#stopmodabuse

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VOTE: non imp

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@GL, that's not how I read that return question from Jake tho. I kinda liked it?

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omg emps are you finally town? it looks like you are back to freely spewing/spamming without worries my dude!

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Oh I see.

I read that like he was trying to see how serious it was, which is an ok way to do it.

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Not really game relevant but is anyone interested in spamming the shit out of this game, but leave the pagetops for our beloved mod and see just how many medical memes she made?

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Not really game relevant but is anyone interested in spamming the shit out of this game, but leave the pagetops for our beloved mod and see just how many medical memes she made?

Plz no

I'm thinking in the lines of +- 50 posts/player/irl day

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yeah i think its kinda bad that i have basically nothing to comment abt obviousscum despite the fact that he has 23 posts

good distancing!

and we don't exactly have two vigs

the problem we are faced with is that in a bastard game if a real doc and a vig doc both target scum, then they save the scum

but there's no good way to play around it. all we can do is say who we're going to target and hope there's enough pieces left tomorrow that whoever is still alive can figure at least some of it out

emps is looking p townie to me

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also heads up

i'm down with a concussion

if only i knew a couple good doctors lol

(concussion no joke tho)

will try to keep up but participation will be low until after weekend

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tring hectic/gl rn
tl ico
sr jake

everyone else is kind of ???

information about why you lt me and sr jake plz

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intend to hammer

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im assuming we all followed the chart thing hectic told us to? i targeted george

there was a plan?

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I targeted ObvScum

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random choice

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Ico, why didn't you follow the plan last night?

im assuming we all followed the chart thing hectic told us to? i targeted george

there was a plan?

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hmmmmm

maybe

I didn't really like his intent or what he did with his non vote tho

you gonna keep making up reasons to scumread me?

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if you really wanna know, in this specific game I didn't bother reading because I was very close to deadline before sending in my action and still suffering from concussion

also, if i didn't have a concussion, i'd still probably maybe not read. Kinda.

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yeah but if he's town doesn't he look at least at the last few posts before doing his NA? like wouldn't he be curious in the hammer and aftermath? I'd almost have an easier time accepting him just not doing a NA than ignoring the 'plan'

Let me reverse this?

If I'm scum, do I not look at the NA-plan or have my buddies in the PT help me with an action?

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there's absolutely no reason for scum me to say i didn't follow the plan

it draws all kinds of attention scum don't want

and after reading D2, i could easily just say i followed the plan as scum

What's my master scumplan here?

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you gonna keep making up reasons to scumread me?

give me some reasons to townread you then

I promise you I will do just that if I get some room to work

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do work my boiii

UNVOTE:

my main issue right now is that this game involves a lot of PR and NA analysis which is my absolute weakpoint

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hated is hammer on JtW day 1 too

what did you hate about it?

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VOTE: ico

what's your case on me again?

not reading the night action plan?

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ok bye

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I unvoted you so you could obvtown and solve

and you took it as an invitation to zzz

i'm really not interested in shit like this

ur literally voting me because i didn't read the game because concussion and sent in a random night action after i got prodded to do so

then u unvote me and give me LESS then 24 hours to do smt?

fuck off

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ico its ur turn to claim fyi

i'm a doc

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ico its ur turn to claim fyi

i'm a doc

i targeted obvscum

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did you ever explain why you chose me?

yes

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I targeted ObvScum

random choice

I hadn't read the game
Went thru the playerlist and ended up picking you. Why exactly? Don't know.

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who's a better lynch than you today?

literally anyone who was ON wagon rather then off

both main wagons happened super easy
the lynch happened without any(?) or much resistance, that's a strong indicator scum are on wagon

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emps/george/obvscum

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I'm not scumreading obvscum thru his interactions with me. I've had my share fair of pushes on me, and he is treating me with the intent to sort me rather then just push.

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Anyways, my scum pick right now is Icon.VOTE: IconeumI think you missed your proposed target on purpose so there would be more ambiguity about your role, which is already huge for most people right now.

How does me claiming what I claimed help a scum agenda according to you?

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lets completely ignore his progression on jake, his many attempts at sorting, and his good tone, and lets scumread him purely off of d1 vca.

you have put almost 0 effort into sorting people

im not gonna accept any wagon with such weak reasoning

emps, would you mind casing your own progression on jake from D1?

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@emps because I saw exactly 0 (zero) posts from you where you actually tried to sort Jake rather then just push him.

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VOTE: George

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nurse can u claim now pls and thanks u

actual footage of the nurse right now:

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It's right there in the name; ObviousTown

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heres the plan:

gl vigs s1

everyone else doesnt do a night action

thoughts?

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How the nurse should actually claim:

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Live footage of Iconeum right now:

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Quack Doc caught in the act last night:

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How I feel ObvScum is sorting this game:

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How I felt when reading I didn't follow the night action plan and claimed it honestly

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The nurse we all need, but don't deserve:

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Why am I not obvtown to you yet

I'm pretty obvtown ngl

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how the scum team feels this game is going. probably.

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Cris crossing our night actions, colourized

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That's why everyone calls me OT for short

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hi chemist

suggest you start by reading the last page

best page of the game

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UNVOTE:

for the weekend, so chem can catch up

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I targeted ObvScum

random choice

I hadn't read the game
Went thru the playerlist and ended up picking you. Why exactly? Don't know.

who's a better lynch than you today?

literally anyone who was ON wagon rather then off

both main wagons happened super easy
the lynch happened without any(?) or much resistance, that's a strong indicator scum are on wagon

emps/george/obvscum

@emps because I saw exactly 0 (zero) posts from you where you actually tried to sort Jake rather then just push him.

these posts and also gut kind of

Your 'gut' was telling town!Ico. Now 'gut' says differently?
Thanks for also posting some of the most townie posts I made this game.

I'm scum for wanting to lynch on-wagon rather then off-wagon?
This very much feels like a made-up scumread bro

did you role scum AGAIN?

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What's your full reads list?

obvscum > emps > george > ico = GL

thats the order I'd lynch in

Obvscum is v likely not living up to his name this game, pretty bad lynch

i wouldn't mind flipping emps
Dunno about george
Def wouldn't flip myself

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VOTE: chemist

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VOTE: Karnage

Changed my mind, I'm just going to lynch the slot that tunneled all day on town

I don't really read karnage as scum.

Chemist hasn't done anything, and george didn't do a ton either. His scumread for me not following the plan and reaction to it was scummy.

much better lynch then karnage imo

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We should all announce who we targeted

I targeted obvscum

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this post came kinda late, after Ico had already responded to a bunch of other sequentially later posts, including another vote on Ico from Obv. potentially Ico wanted to distance back and forgot until later in their catchups/posts.

it's almost like you aren't even considering it's possibly just town!ico voting for scum?

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i don't really see a ton of scum!ico indicators in your case, GL

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emps/george/obvscum

VOTE: George

UNVOTE:

for the weekend, so chem can catch up

VOTE: chemist

VOTE: Karnage

Changed my mind, I'm just going to lynch the slot that tunneled all day on town

I don't really read karnage as scum.

Chemist hasn't done anything, and george didn't do a ton either. His scumread for me not following the plan and reaction to it was scummy.

much better lynch then karnage imo

Just redug into my own ISO, this is p much all of the posts related to the scum lynch. There's not a lot here, but I don't think any of it was particularly odd-timing?

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waiting on obvscum and others to complete massclaim today

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do u agree gl is town ico?

i always have a hard time townreading players who are pushing me

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Iconeum
GuiltyLion
Karnage
ObviousScum

Obvscum is the nurse right?

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do u agree gl is town ico?

more specifically, no

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so theory is scum double killed emps? Or tested on me? Or gl is scum?

where u at ico?

in the process of rereading and trying to solve

ObvScum can you try and make sense of all night actions? How likely is the % that GL is just scum, and used the scum NK on emps?

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Ok so the way I feel about GL's post opening up both me and Karnage as the lynch is that GL is scum, presenting 2 cases to the rest of the game and hoping of those cases is gonna stick and induce a vote, which is enough to win him the game

There's no real conclusion being drawn from his own cases, leaving it open to whatever we wanna make of it. Know what I mean? It's like GL tried to find scummy stuff in our ISO, but not really scumhunting.

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alright I'm caught up, but I'm about to do a bunch more

my quick preliminary thoughts so far are:
1) I still generally think George is scum and I'm not sure why we're looking at Obv/Icon first over George
2) I messaged Datisi a few days ago asking whether the Nurse would flip as Doc if they died N1 and their answer was Nurse always flips as Nurse. so somebody is 100% lying about being a doctor and I'd really like them to claim explicitly in case that gives us useful night action info or in case we're barking up the wrong tree

okay so actually as I'm sitting down and thinking about this more my reads are kinda all in flux

questions I'm thinking about - if George isn't scum, then scum might be just waiting for me to force the issue and then they can tag along later when it's deadline and they won't fall under scrutiny. I've tossed out George's name as a suspect several times now and nobody is biting at that, which makes me think George might be town and designated lynchbait

I'm also not sure I buy that emps townreads me to this degree? like I don't think I've been super especially over the top townie so far this game

I definitely don't think Obv/Karnage are a team. and I don't really think Ico is scum.

so that leaves me with:
emps/Obv could be a team
George/Obv or George/Karnage could be teams I guess

what about a Karnage/emps team, could that fit

I'm not making a case yet chill

I'm trying to figure out who's working together and what scum agenda every player's votes and pushes could be serving right now

you're kinda my guess at Nurse so I didn't think you were scum but associatives between Obv don't really make him scum with a lot of people I think. I'm starting to think emps is a decent bet for a deep wolf

UNVOTE:

My GL town read was built on the fact I thought HE was actually the nurse

what made you think I was the nurse?

regardless, I am not sure Karnage does/thinks to say this as scum

I'm operating under a Chemist/Emps team prediction right now.

and Obv being the Nurse makes sense why everyone was assuming I was a vig

I targeted emps, so I believe I'm definitely the Quack Doctor

However, all of this does point to a GL who scumread chem, and thought emps was a good chance for being partner. GL already thought he could be the quack doc, so he targeted his scumread emps, who died. It makes sense for town!GL to do that. I don't think there's a huge chance scum actually targeted emps.
MUCH more likely that scum targeted obvscum. So I probably protected the nurse.

rn i'm more comfortable with voting Karnage over GL

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Like, my most basic down to earth read right now is

Scum probs don't target emps, GL most likely vig who shot emps (who he previously scumread together with chem who flipped scum). It's a very believable trajectory, making Karnage scum by default. Scum!Karnage also doesn't have to lie right now about having targeted obvscum

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Well I'm def not vig, unless I'm just shamelesly lying about my targets

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what about numbers

3v1

if we (mis)lynch Karnage, 2v1 going into night, we both target GL and see what happens. Chance of you being the vig kills him, if not that I have a decent chance of blocking him, come tomorrow 2v1 again and we lynch GL?

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that's like worst case contingency plan, don't get me wrong

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obscum what are your own reads rn?

not taking action resolution into account?

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(emps/hec/lion)townblock for me rn
(amrun/icon/obum)null
(jake,george)scum, maybe

VOTE: george

(emps/hec/lion)townblock for me rn
(amrun/icon/obum)null
(jake,george)scum, maybe

VOTE: george

I would like an explanation

I agree with Amrun's posts on page 10
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

George last time we played you were able to turn on the obvtown when you needed to, I haven't seen that yet this game.

Boring gamestate

VOTE: george

l-1 let's yeet it bois

I'm vigging Amrun tonight say your target when you hammer okaay?

intend to hammer

UNVOTE:

I like Jake, not scum IMO

This entire trajectory of non imh is pretty damning. Votes George very early on the wagon, doesn't sort anything in it, and when the heat picks up and the lynch might seriously happen he unvotes without any serious events that might have changed his mind on his 'scumread'.

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i could just be the weak doc, so if we lynch karnage and game goes on, i will die targeting GL

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meh

++odds of non imh/karnage being the last scum and that's game if you ask me

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and if i'm wrong, i will gamble tonight with my night action on GL

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but if you're JK you would keep the game going lol

it's literally a coinflip that I win the game or lose the game at that point, but I will target GL anyway I guess.

It would take a lot of convincing on Karnage's behalf to talk me out of voting him today however.
GL's trajectory is very believable, Obvscum is the IC, I know i'm town.

And in the world where this is wrong, and GL is scum, there is still a chance to win by targeting GL at night.

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do I no action again or do I target GL if karnage flips town?

:thinking

we both target him
you could be a vig, and that wins the game if you hit GL
I target him as well, if there's a no kill we have a guilty, and if i'm the weak doc I will die lol but maybe you have won by then

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Actually, that won't solve the game at that point.

If there's a no kill, both obvscum and GL can say that scum!Ico choose to no kill as scum to set GL up so it's not 100% sure

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but the karnage lynch is happening most of the times today

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from your perspective this *could* be scum!ico setting up the game to win?

I force a lynch on Karnage and device a night plan that sets up my game winning lynch tomorrow?

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this is why GL being alive is kinda confusing but *shrug*

if GL is scum he played ~pretty good?

I wouldn't be very mad if scum!GL wins this

But I think that's not the case

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i'm actually p terrible with setup analysis

there's a reason i asked you to do this

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but if you're scum then GL is vig and he shoots you thus you lose

scum don't have an actual JK

oh right

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I'm pretty sold that you didn't actually realize the scum only had 2 goons LOL

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to go full yolo or not rn

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i mean i'm just trying to get that pagetop right now not gonna lie

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that's Obvious to everyone rite?

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oh shit i'm not the hammer lol

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right

nvm

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VOTE: Karnage

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wouldn't it be lovely if we let datisi wake up to a nice and fresh pagetop?

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here you go

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if I need to be lynched, so be it, but lets have a plan for N3 before we do that so we have a chance of winning

we have one, talked about it in the prev pages

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GL's trajectory on killing emps makes a ton of sense coming from town who figured he was likely to be a vig
That literally only leaves you as the alternative scum, Karnage

In case GL is bamboozling the lot of us, I will target him this night and we will likely have no kill, and we lynch GL tomorrow

If I'm bamboozling the lot of you, I will die horribly in the night by GL.

I think that's p close to a mech solve?

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It only depends on obvscum actually being the nurse lol

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plan looks solid, hammer away

welll

you could always self hammer?

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plan looks solid, hammer away

i'm sorry you don't have a way out, btw

Really hate that about some mafia games, sometimes you just don't have an out anymore.

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gg guys

was fun

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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:32 am

#stopmodabuse

Yes emps

The fires of revolution are sparking, soon there will be no room left for modabuse on this forum!

#stopmodabuse