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Post #17 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:22 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 11, NorwegianboyEE wrote:And before you ask, no i didn't join the game just to say that in the first post. But was it a big part of the reason? Definitely.
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Post #26 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:35 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 24, Espeonage wrote:I am ready to get out of shitpost phase bc I want to know why you have adopted spinning a narrative of scum won't hammer.
Bc realistically, until deadline if town doesn't hammer then we can't lose bc scum have to sac one of their own. So really it's town that should be refusing to hammer.
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Post #33 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:43 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 31, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I ain’t seeing it chief. And if i don’t know myself then who can we really trust to be able to properly see whatever it is you’re seeing?
I think we know each other better than we know ourselves at this point, Norwee. I'd trust your read on me more than I'd trust my own role PM, and I'd expect the same from you.
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Post #36 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:08 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 4, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'M WILLING TO HAMMER! DO YOU HEAR THAT? I AM WILLING TO HAMMER!!
Fine, I'll explain:
Town come in with a mindset of being afraid to hammer, since if they hammer town, they lose. They want scum to hammer for insurance, basically.
Scum come in with a mindset of wanting to show they're not afraid of hammering, and that's gonna be the main thing on their mind, considering the day 1 hammer rule affecting them.
So the fact you chose to shitpost about that specifically in your first post is scum-indicative, since it's something which will be on scum's mind more often than town.
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Post #40 (isolation #13) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:19 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 37, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You’re making it sound like you think i play with a motive in mind when i roll scum. As opposed to just coasting. Come on now. I read on the rules that if scum hammers on day 1 they die. So i started joking about it. That’s the problem with everyone who scumreads me, they think i have some kind of master galaxy mind motive with my play. When really i’m just being me.
I'm not saying you did it with a plan in mind. I just think the joke itself is more likely to come from scum because of the subconscious mindsets I explained earlier.
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Post #41 (isolation #14) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:26 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 38, clidd wrote:Good evening, i was reading the setup specifications and thinking about how my approach would be in this match, especially with the established peculiarities about the absence of the night phase, and the premature mechanical death attributed to mafia, in case of an incorrect lynch. This, of course, creates space for unusual strategies more focused on morning turnover. With that thought in mind, i understood the first post 4 as a message with three possible interpretations:
1-
Random joke
,
2-
Instinctive statement
,
3-
Divergence of attention
, where his partners receive a window to ''safe'' vote, drastically reducing the possibility of them falling under the ''mechanical death hammer'', which appears to be more likely, compared to other possibilities. This basically implies that are 2/3 potential scums in
Dsjstr
,
Hectic
and
Espeonage
, in theory. But would everyone outside the wagon share the same indecision ? Is it plausible ?
Also, i would like to discuss this paragraph that I found in
Mini Normal 2098
, post
41
, referring to
NorwegianboyEE
:
It’s cool, i’m a bit of a kamikaze town so i don’t really spend too much time attempting to clear myself as i do trying to attack others i perceive as scum. When i’m scum it’s ironically the opposite, where i do all i can to avoid being seen as suspicious and trying to stay on the good side of the town.
is a galaxy brain play. You're suggesting Norwee is a traitor signalling to his other traitor to vote him early so as to avoid being the hammer? I think the main problem with your theory is that you're assuming we're not going to leash the hammers, so the order of the votes on Norwee right now are irrelevant. I'm assuming we're going to try and discuss who we want the hammerer to be just as much as who we want the lynchee to be.
The self-meta from Norwee there is interesting; how did you come across it?
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Post #66 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:31 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 57, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m not sure you’re engaging me in good faith Hectic. It seems like you’re blowing this way out of proportion.
Is this your scum!play at last?
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Post #67 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:33 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 49, AaronFrost wrote:Hectic are you thinking that Norwee is one of the traitor wolves who's signaling to the other traitor? Because that was my first thought when I read his opening post.
Maybe
, but probably not, there's more subtle ways to indicate over posting that. I don't think there's hidden meaning in it.
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Post #69 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:54 am
Postby Hectic »
Definitely, but I'm glad the rule exists where scum don't die if they hammer other scum. Because otherwise scum should always self-hammer when it's obvious we're lynching them, and it turns into a war of voting and trying to hammer them tactically when they're offline, and that's icky.
Not sure what you mean by scum would hammer for the sacrifice play. Do you mean scum would hammer town? I don't think they ever do that. They might hammer other scum for towncred though.
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Post #70 (isolation #20) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:56 am
Postby Hectic »
The fun thing is that people can't refuse to hammer if we decide on someone, since we just lynch that person instead and have the hammerer be the person we originally planned to lynch.
In post 69, Hectic wrote:Do you mean scum would hammer town? I don't think they ever do that.
Boy. Have you ever even played a mafia game?
Scum don't hammer town? HAH.
HAHA.
Don't you think scum delay hammering town since they're guaranteed die there?
Oh wait, I just realised we lynch the person refusing to hammer instead in that scenario, and the townie gets to live, so it's actually worse for scum if they refuse to hammer.
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Post #91 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:39 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 79, dsjstr wrote:So like I saw what Norwegian said as a joke. I don't think anyone was really going to try and hammer during RVS in lylo so I just went along with it. There are some good points that if the werewolves wanted to communicate they would do so by voting, but is that something they would know to do? Having experience in quick games (around 30 mins), someone who silent votes is a typical sign of a mafia member.
In this case I am talking about Doctor Drew, so would he be trying to signal Hectic is what I'm thinking.
I think this kind of misunderstanding might be town-indicative. Traitors don't know each other, and the main wolf and the traitors already know each other. So there's nothing for them to indicate to each other by doing that.
In post 70, Hectic wrote:The fun thing is that people can't refuse to hammer if we decide on someone, since we just lynch that person instead and have the hammerer be the person we originally planned to lynch.
You seem to have significant experience in this type of play. Have you ever played a similar setup ? What would be the best town decision considering that we are in lylo and scum can bluff by hammering partner ?
Nope, I've just been giving it some thought. I think we should either:
-Have the second scummiest person hammer the scummiest person (by consensus agreement).
-Have the scummiest person who is being lynched decide the person who hammers them (this way if they're town, it means the hammerer is chosen without outside scum influence).
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Post #96 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:54 am
Postby Hectic »
Clidd, I did find it strange about how confident you were on Norwee!scum this early, or that's the impression I got from your tone. Can you summarise your scumread of him?
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Post #104 (isolation #31) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:21 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 102, theslimer3 wrote:Me before starting the game: I’m going to have the heading of every page have a vote count and all of them will have a story pertaining to the lore of this game mode!
RIP. Btw, Norwee and I should be switched around in who we're voting for.
*Fixed
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Post #105 (isolation #32) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:22 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 103, AaronFrost wrote:I think they might in order to get past the day one rule, especially if they're the traitor goon. Then the two remaining scum just know who each other are and the game is still in lylo anyways so all they'd need is one mislynch.
Yeah, I realised that soon after. I didn't realise town hammering scum is a lot worse for them.
In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?
What do you make of this, Norwee? Possible townslip?
Why do you think it might be a townslip?
He thought there's a scenario where the traitor knows the other traitor but not the werewolf, which obviously can't be the case. Do you think it's real/fake?
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Post #149 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:52 am
Postby Hectic »
In post 136, dsjstr wrote:I know how you guys feel, have four classes on Thursday one of which is a three hour night class. Just skimming through, Aaron really only posted about mechanics and nothing that is AI. I don't know how to interpret how Hectic and Drew are
interacting. Are the votes signals? Is someone getting pocketed? Am I too tired to think logically?
If there was some kind of signal and I am hoping there wasn't I can't pinpoint it. It might just be from Drew's first post.
Clidd is putting in a genuine effort
to solve but I think it is weird that he didn't know how all of the roles work but he knew about the exact wording from a rule that was written incorrectly in this thread. I think that it is more likely that he knew about the wolves roles but just wanted to
be perceived as town. I'm not confident in that read because it is also likely that he just made a mistake. I do like the chill vibes from this lobby, the newbie games are not like this.
In post 79, dsjstr wrote:So like I saw what Norwegian said as a joke. I don't think anyone was really going to try and hammer during RVS in lylo so I just went along with it. There are some good points that if the werewolves wanted to communicate they would do so by voting, but is that something they would know to do? Having experience in quick games (around 30 mins), someone who silent votes is a typical sign of a mafia member.
In this case I am talking about Doctor Drew, so would he be trying to signal Hectic is what I'm thinking.
I think this kind of misunderstanding might be town-indicative. Traitors don't know each other, and the main wolf and the traitors already know each other. So there's nothing for them to indicate to each other by doing that.
What exactly do you mean by signalling to each other? How does a traitor signal to another traitor that they are not aware of, as that is what you're implying when you said Drew may be signalling to me.
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Post #156 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:30 pm
Postby Hectic »
That was fun to read; I like how you go about your analysis. Why is AaronFF town? You say "too early to definitively formulate an opinion on him." on him earlier in your post.
Am I the Joker because voting for Norwee early is scum-indicative, but my concern for a hammer is town-indicative?
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Post #158 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:34 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 152, dsjstr wrote:I was thinking the werewolf has all the knowledge and the traitors have enough to be able to figure out who the other traitor is. I talked about the signal being between you and Drew the first time because I see RVS as the time to get away with signalling by voting. I could really look at any interaction and claim it is signalling but I like coming up with theories like that.
I still don't understand what you mean here. I want you to elaborate on what you meant when you said "In this case I am talking about Doctor Drew, so would he be trying to signal Hectic is what I'm thinking."
Are Drew and I traitors in your hypothetical, are one of us the Main Wolf? Help me understand.
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Post #160 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:37 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 157, clidd wrote:There are other reads that stand out in the item '' scum-indicative ''. Yes, that's exactly why I put you as a "Joker", because there is an oscillation in the read that I captured about you.
What about AaronFF? Why does he lean town-indicative? And is Espeonage primarily scum-indicative for his early vote?
In post 152, dsjstr wrote:I was thinking the werewolf has all the knowledge and the traitors have enough to be able to figure out who the other traitor is. I talked about the signal being between you and Drew the first time because I see RVS as the time to get away with signalling by voting. I could really look at any interaction and claim it is signalling but I like coming up with theories like that.
I still don't understand what you mean here. I want you to elaborate on what you meant when you said "In this case I am talking about Doctor Drew, so would he be trying to signal Hectic is what I'm thinking."
Are Drew and I traitors in your hypothetical, are one of us the Main Wolf? Help me understand.
I did not understand the question, can you rephrase the question ? i am still overcoming the language barrier (I'm from Spain).
Yeah, no problem. I'm asking dsjstr what he meant when he posted this:
In post 79, dsjstr wrote:So like I saw what Norwegian said as a joke. I don't think anyone was really going to try and hammer during RVS in lylo so I just went along with it. There are some good points that if the werewolves wanted to communicate they would do so by voting, but is that something they would know to do? Having experience in quick games (around 30 mins), someone who silent votes is a typical sign of a mafia member.
In this case I am talking about Doctor Drew, so would he be trying to signal Hectic is what I'm thinking.
He's saying Drew was signalling to me/telling me we're both scum in some way. But that doesn't make sense because the traitors only know the Main Wolf, so how do they signal to someone they don't know? There are other possibilities but I won't say them until dsjstr responds, because I want to hear what he was thinking first.
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Post #182 (isolation #49) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:15 pm
Postby Hectic »
Why are you so eager to hammer, clidd? Don't you want someone who could potentially be scum to hammer? I haven't seen nearly enough from Drew to be happy with lynching him. We have almost 7 days so let's use it. My current preference would be Espeonage hammering Norwee actually, but these aren't confident reads, and I need to hear more from both Espeonage and Drew especially. Clidd, AaronFF, and Doro are tentative townleans.
Aaron and Espeonage, what do you think of this Drew wagon, do you think it's justified?
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Post #186 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:04 pm
Postby Hectic »
Agreed. I'm confused as to why you're happy with hammering him yourself, Clidd. From a town perspective, you lose if he's town, how are you so confident he's scum, that you're willing to volunteer and take that risk?
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Post #187 (isolation #51) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:08 pm
Postby Hectic »
If Clidd is scum, it's with Drew and he's happy to bus him here for the sweet sweet towncred. I don't see scum!Clidd making this play willing to sacrifice himself over hammering a town Drew. That makes no sense.
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Post #188 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:11 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 183, clidd wrote:Norwegian is out of the question today. For me, the effort he put in when he answered me was something that I identified with. Doctor Drew is the most rational choice considering the other options, something that I believe, or at least believed, that you would be able to observe too.
Okay, but since Drew's only made 6 posts so far, are you not interested in hearing more from him first?
Also, could you explain why you gave in to Doro's demands for you being the one to hammer so easily? Most people have expressed a townread on you, so why not try to make someone else hammer instead?
No one scumread me at any point, but it was a very memey game involving my partner getting lynched day 1, and the jester getting lynched day 2... which ended the game.
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Post #192 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:38 pm
Postby Hectic »
I want to learn from the best, Aaron. Give me your top tips for playing scum. I understand if you don't want to waste your time with such mundane matters such as these though.
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Post #196 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:57 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 193, clidd wrote:In that case, I would choose to use today's rule in reverse, with me being voted on and Doctor Drew hammering, so we would both be eliminated and all theories about a possible coercive coding on my part would be disregarded, making room for you to work in a more peaceful resolution of the match.
There's no nights in this game. You as town lynching Drew who is scum is always better than Drew as scum lynching town-you, which results in both of you dying.
This is because in the case where you're town who hammered and suspected the next day for bussing Drew, mislynching you still puts us in the same position as scum-Drew hammering town-you (5 players alive, 2 scum). The difference being it's not guaranteed we mislynch you, and we still get info if we do.
That was a pain to explain, but basically, I'm even more confused as to why you'd be okay with that suggestion.
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Post #197 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:00 pm
Postby Hectic »
In post 194, clidd wrote:If the double elimination scenario I mentioned occurs, I would like to suggest two names that will guide the outcome of the match.
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Post #204 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:09 pm
Postby Hectic »
We get info from associations between scum, and probably get better reads on each other overall from an extra day. Main point is that it's not guaranteed we lynch you. So from your perspective, certain death should always be worse.
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Post #205 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:11 pm
Postby Hectic »
Doro is dsjstr.
Because I don't see enough from Drew to warrant a scumread. He's null. We have 7 days, and I'm hoping Drew will contribute more through them.