Micro 913: Radja's Story - Episode 2 - GAME OVER

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: gobbledygook
Welcome to the game

[Map Wolf]

By the way, here is a summary of the characters.

Chuck Porter is a member of a crime organisation that Brett Wilkins leads.

Victor Garner and Lewis Robson are partners as cops
so are Ashley Williams and Asuka Tagawa
and Jack Turner and Trevor Price
Luke Jameson has no partner.

Courtney Turner and Danny Turner are wife and son of Jack.

Chet Gray is an alchoholic former cop and partner of Victor Garner.

Boston Rob had just moved into town.

[Map Wolf]

Also I agree that [p]27[/p] feels really weird and doesn't make much sense.

[Map Wolf]

I am curious, is it a lock that Chuck Porter and Brett Wilkins are the mafia flavor and everyone else is locktown? If so, then we might be able to use flavor to our advantage.

[Map Wolf]

Don't like the Creature vote on gobble. At least give some reasoning.

VOTE: Creature

[Map Wolf]

I will post some reads later, but currently I don't really have any on Wimpy, KMD, and Zenith.

[Map Wolf]

By this logic why didn't you vote me first? I didn't give my reason for voting gobble yet either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall that you ever voted gobble.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Saffron Ghost

That's L-1

[Map Wolf]

I want Saffron to post :/

[Map Wolf]

Wolf looks bad for that l-1 vote. It came from nowhere and don’t see any reasoning. The entire wagon is bad.

I was getting kind of impatient with this game and wanted stuff to happen. I don't see anything wrong with a L-1 vote. Now I can't say whether this wagon is a good one or not, but I am on it for a lack of a better alternative atm.

[Map Wolf]

Sorry that I haven't really followed the game closely enough the last hours. I'll admit I've mostly skimmed the last few pages. I wouldn't mind a creature lynch as I don't really have anyone I scumread much.

[Map Wolf]

Sorry that I haven't really followed the game closely enough the last hours. I'll admit I've mostly skimmed the last few pages. I wouldn't mind a creature lynch as I don't really have anyone I scumread much.

Why do you sr him?

He feels scum. I don't know if he is, but I don't really have any other idea of who to lynch.

[Map Wolf]

makes me think my creature/wolf team is actually right

Nah he's probably in the top 3 of the most scummy in my view.

[Map Wolf]

I am curious, is it a lock that Chuck Porter and Brett Wilkins are the mafia flavor and everyone else is locktown? If so, then we might be able to use flavor to our advantage.

Possible townslip?

Possible

Still for some reason I think the mod would put Chuck Potter in a neighborhood with Danny as part of the flavor

Yeah I think scum could have a fake claim that would allow them to pretend to be a certain character pretty well.

[Map Wolf]

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Map scumgame.

That game was so atrocious on my side. If you want a more recent one, you can check this:

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[Map Wolf]

People need to

not hammer

before pisskop has a chance to make an actual claim. I don't want to lynch pr.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Wimpy
According to the hammer rule, this is last scum.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Wimpy
According to the hammer rule, this is last scum.

What is the hammer rule? Why were you quiet in the neighborhood last night?

It's a made up rule; Whoever hammers scum is likely to be scum partner.

I was inactive in the pt because I didn't have anything to say. I was just waiting for the night to end.

[Map Wolf]

The redacted may just apply to whom he was neighbours with not any other role.

This is probably the case. I don't think there's any reason to think he was pr.

[Map Wolf]

Yeah I’m fine with Wolf dying. He fooled me well in the PT.

What do you mean by that?

[Map Wolf]

We've decided to shoot kmd if map wolf flips town, so if we die tonight and he doesn't for some reason, we'd be voting him in spirit on Day 3.

-e

I'd rather lynch kmd and then have you shoot me if he flips town.

[Map Wolf]

About the Wimpy vote. I didn't have any real strong read, so my reasoning for the vote was really arbitrary. However I don't think there is anything wrong with that as I feel putting pressure on the slot is fine. I think Wimpy likely isn't scum as tonally he comes off as town.
VOTE: Kmd
I think scum is likely Kmd or gobble. Kmd due to the lack of any votes on anyone, and gobble due to the fact that it makes sense for one neighbourhood player to be scum.

[Map Wolf]

Eth0s there's no slip. That's just me acknowledging that roles other than a big have the ability to kill. I agree with your town reads on gobble and zenith though so I think we're in good shape to win this without me in a potential LYLO.

Wimpy I think it's best to treat the vig claim as confirmed town unless another scum flips and the game hasn't ended. I don't see that happening.

Vote map wolf

I guess you’re not really reading then, eh @Map?

~N

I did read it but kind of forgot about it tbh. What I mean is that he didn't vote anyone day 1, and his vote on me here makes perfect sense if scum.

[Map Wolf]

Eth0s there's no slip. That's just me acknowledging that roles other than a big have the ability to kill. I agree with your town reads on gobble and zenith though so I think we're in good shape to win this without me in a potential LYLO.

Wimpy I think it's best to treat the vig claim as confirmed town unless another scum flips and the game hasn't ended. I don't see that happening.

Vote map wolf

I guess you’re not really reading then, eh @Map?

~N

I did read it but kind of forgot about it tbh. What I mean is that he didn't vote anyone day 1, and his vote on me here makes perfect sense if scum.

How?

Because people (including some town players) are reading me critically.

[Map Wolf]

By the way, don't hammer. I'll just flip town at no benefit. Wait a few days and we'd at least have more info when I flip town.

[Map Wolf]

By the way, don't hammer. I'll just flip town at no benefit. Wait a few days and we'd at least have more info when I flip town.

What would we be waiting for? I mean maybe zenith could post something before the day ends but if you were going to provide useful info you would have already.

I guess I'll just claim now.

[Map Wolf]

I'm one-shot doctor.

[Map Wolf]

Still map wolf

Yeah, I think so too. I don’t think it’s a real claim. He’s been reading and figured out the only possible PT could be a protective and a 1 shot is more believable than a full doc but I really don’t see who else targets Creature.

I’m going to wait until I talk to eth0s but spirituality, my vote is still on Map.

~N

I posted this exact claim 25 hours ago in the PT with gobble. I did not just wait to make up this claim.

[Map Wolf]

I'm one-shot doctor.

Who did you protect N1? And who do you plan to protect tonight?

~N

Haven't protected anyone, obviously it'd be smarter to save it for later.

[Map Wolf]

My problem is I tr everyone other than Map but I suppose we can wait to hear what Gobbles thinks but I honestly can’t see how it isn’t Map and Wimpy and I were discussing PR claims last night, so why couldn’t Map have based his claim on that?

I am tr everyone but Map and I 100% shouldn’t if his claim was real and I think I’d believe that doc claim coming from kmd or Wimpy more, since neither of them are also neighbours.

And I think kmd maybe town now. His recent posts don’t sound like scum to me. I’m also extremely suspicious that Mapdidn’t use his shot last night, it reads like it’s made up and being mentioned for leverage.

Had Map said, he protected us last night or Gobbles, I’d believe it a lot more, because I don’t think Doc holsters on N1.

And I’m back to, who tf else kills Creature? Creature wasn’t a threat to anyone other than Map, where as I think scum!anyone else in this game would have been cop hunting and killed us. He also sounds kind of wooden here, compared with mime, where the sincerity was practically oozing out of every single post.

My gut is screaming at me that the claim is fake and Map is scum.

~N

My thought for not protecting was clear imo.

1. It was unlikely that I'd be nightkilled. 2. Chance of protecting someone is 1/7 while it's a higher chance later. 3. I didn't know anyone who I thought absolutely should be protected.

I actually agree with your thoughts on KMD. Unless it's a gambit, it wouldn't be the best move to ask to be lynched first.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Map

L-1

I think everyone else is town.

~N

On the extremely remote chance we’re wrong, we still shoot kmd but I honestly expect the game to end after Map hammer.

~N

Why do you think you're right?

If he is a doc it probably is mafia doc. Somebody was saying earlier about a possible scum protection cop/gf. Vig/bp but doc also plays there.

I don't like this post. Why presume guilt on me like that? Pushing me due to game balance is anti-town to me. Especially since my role isn't that strong.
I also wanna repeat that I told gobbles in the pt at 2020-01-30 5:03am UTC that I was a 1-shot doctor. He can confirm that. I did not make this claim up in the last 32 hours based on the discussion within this same timeframe.

[Map Wolf]

And the reason I didn't instantly claim was because I wanted the discussion to occur as it could have value no matter what happens.

[Map Wolf]

Map wolf ISO seems mostly NAI, but the way everyone else has treated the slot makes me want to give map wolf a slight town lean.

Map wolf lynch just seems too easy. Feels like mislynch bait to me.

So Zenith is completely right in this post. Could this be scum resisting a mislynch for credibility? Actually this seems very possible.
Look at 912. This could be explained as scum realizing that the lynch is going to happen, and that you may as well be on the wagon. Think about it. If Zenith is scum, and KMD is lynched, then I might be vigged and someone else might be nightkilled. That'd make it a 2v1 lylo where perhaps Wimpy or gobble might be lynched.

VOTE: Zenith

Think I might've solved this.

[Map Wolf]

This goes without saying, but don't instahammer if you're town @Zenith.

[Map Wolf]

I’ve been scum reading you since day 1 so of course I’m going to presume guilt. Claims don’t matter to me. I don’t believe them at face value like others do. I judge your play and if it makes sense as town and yours doesn’t.

What part of my play doesn't make sense as town? If it's my reasoning, then I wouldn't say that's all that alignment indicating. I would never do 967 if I was scum, because I'd think harder about how my posts would be perceived.

[Map Wolf]

I fear we might lose if Zenith is town and hammers me.

[Map Wolf]

This goes without saying, but don't instahammer if you're town @Zenith.

How could e possibility “instahammer”? E already gave eir intent last night. But more important, what should e wait for? Gobbles? I don’t doubt for one second that you posted your “claim” in the hood but why there over the main thread, when you knew you were at L-1? Had you done that D1, that might actually mean something, as in you trusted Gobbles enough to roleclaim in the hood but once you’re the top wagon - at L-1 no less, why even bother posting that in your hood in the first place? You honestly think that Gobbles’ confirming you did that means jack? Why? How does doing that last night, make you any more town? It doesn’t.

~N

By instahammer I mean that he shouldn't cut discussion short so that no one can respond to the stuff I'd written prior. I don't think posting the claim in the neighbourhood means much, other than that it shows that I didn't completely make up the claim on the spot, but actually am genuinely writing what my actual role is.

Now to be fair, if I was scum I probably would've just claimed whatever fake claim I got. Imagine how screwed I would be if I was scum and had this as a fake claim.
Whatever that's super hypothetical, I don't think it means much and I don't have some magical proof that I'm town.

[Map Wolf]

And the reason I didn't instantly claim was because I wanted the discussion to occur as it could have value no matter what happens.

I don’t believe your claim for 5 reasons:

1) Unlike last game where we had only an odd night cop, we have a full cop this time, a vig, a claimed miller and 3 confirmed neighbours. An extra doc on top of that seems like way too much town power.

2) If there was an actual doc in the setup, I don’t believe that Radja would give any player more than one role (especially such an important one as doc) and you already have one: neighbour. We would a neighbour have a doc role, when we have 2 claimed non-neighbour vts? If there was any kind of doc in this game, wouldn’t it make way more sense mech wise for it to be kmd or Wimpy?

3) I don’t believe doc holsters N1. Why would you assume you wouldn’t die N1? Don’t you think if Creature had been the vig instead of us, you would have died over Asriel? Or did you just assume no possibility of a vig, because I don’t believe that. And you absolutely should have been either on my slot or Gobbles’ imo.

4) You’re still my #1 sr and I’m not going to let a claim I don’t believe cause me to lynch anyone I more strongly tr than you.

5) I hard tr Zenith’s push on Wimpy. It read genuine to me, like e sincerely sr Wimpy. Neither eth0s or myself obviously agreed with it, since we don’t think Wimpy is ever scum here but the obvious point, is that Zenith clearly seemed to believe it.


~N

So regarding point 3, can you tell me why I should've been on those slots? I still think saving the ability is the most useful, even should I be lynched. I mean, for all you know I could've been on one of those two slots, and it wouldn't really matter. Whereas by keeping the ability I could in theory actually use it if I'm allowed to live.

[Map Wolf]

So ends another journey.

[Map Wolf]

I assume that was a hammer.

[Map Wolf]

Feel free to release mine.

[Map Wolf]

/in for ep 3