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VOTE: bugspray

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Why would you read at all?

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Well then how are you supposed to play eye spy?

Seeing the thing gives towncred, btw, for any interested parties.

Eye spy something black and white.

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Eye spy something black and white.

That's not another penguin. I hate to be the one to spoil this for you, but uhh...

Mirrors.

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Is this where FF starts scumreading me for the rest of the game? I have to say, it was a bit early - but only by a few posts I think.

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I was gonna say I used the gif of the penguin without the words so you caught me, but what you said works too.

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Isn't that we signed up for this game?

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When do you usually start playing? Asking for a friend.

When I start reading.

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Once there's been some good stuff to read. I'm unsure if I'm talking to FF or not at this point.

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VOTE: JTB

Let's find out!

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I read page 9 and I think it's funny JTB thinks he can hide from me

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Creature and Farren are likely town too. So, yay.

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And I just got a pagetop so today is looking pretty good.

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There's 3 and a half days left till deadline. Why do you think Creature's town, PenPow?

P.S: Every time I ISO you and see that Wallace and Gromit train chase gif, I can't help but watch it like 5 times. It's inexplicably hilarious.

Mostly his activity since replacing in. It seems to be a fairly accurate measure, though he's dipping and it's early so I could be wrong, but I like him for town rn.

Also, you're welcome.

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Nah, I took an unplanned trip.

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It actually was quite fun.

Now we vote long name guy who tried to hide.

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VOTE: JTB

With a sideways glare at Penguin.

VOTE: JTB

Let's find out!

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Ok @who is TRing Farren can I get a tl;dr that's not "tone"
and if it is tone then pls explain why because I just Don't See It
-D

His tone reminds me of the Newbie we played together.

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VOTE: JTB

With a sideways glare at Penguin.

VOTE: JTB

Let's find out!

Uhh... It means someone called your name and you popped up. Pretty sure I have a good grasp on the concept.

I'm a pretty shitty Beetlejuice to respond 12 hours late. Looks like I got it down to 15 minutes though so I think I'm inline for a promotion.

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Ok @who is TRing Farren can I get a tl;dr that's not "tone"
and if it is tone then pls explain why because I just Don't See It
-D

His tone reminds me of the Newbie we played together.

Same. Was he scum in your game too?

Yes. Exactly. U R Genius.

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I'm a pretty shitty Beetlejuice to respond 12 hours late. Looks like I got it down to 15 minutes though so I think I'm inline for a promotion.

See time gets lost in catch ups. I don't look at time stamps.

PP, how do you suppose I read your slot?

Your default position of scum!Penguin in every game is bound to be correct every now and then and has the added benefit of you getting to brag that you scumread me correctly that % of times whereas you don't get to brag if you townread me correctly.

Go with the bragging option. It makes you feel better.

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Oh - sorry...I thought you were being snarky.

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I'm probably not the best person to ask how to read me tbh. Cheeky and nsg have figured it out pretty well and it's some sort of formula where snark + activity + stances = alignment. Too bad Cheeky is the mod and can't help you rn.

D1 is probably not the best setting to read me because I like to meme and not be serious but how much I do that is going to depend on the PL. If I don't have a hard stance on something/someone after a flip I'm probably scum. If I am accurate in my scum reads on D1, I'm probably scum.

Of course, I could be scum here so take that with a grain of salt and we can talk more postgame.

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I explicitly said in that game that I play differently in the Newbie queue. Something something Newbie Queue Listmod...

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I'm probably not the best person to ask how to read me tbh. Cheeky and nsg have figured it out pretty well and it's some sort of formula where snark + activity + stances = alignment. Too bad Cheeky is the mod and can't help you rn.

D1 is probably not the best setting to read me because I like to meme and not be serious but how much I do that is going to depend on the PL. If I don't have a hard stance on something/someone after a flip I'm probably scum. If I am accurate in my scum reads on D1, I'm probably scum.

Of course, I could be scum here so take that with a grain of salt and we can talk more postgame.

So basically take my Creature approach and apply it to you?

I’ve never really viewed myself as similar to Creature but maybe that would work?

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I explicitly said in that game that I play differently in the Newbie queue. Something something Newbie Queue Listmod...

You were scum in that game. You'll forgive me if I don't take it as gospel truth.

My play there is pretty objectively different versus almost any game outside there...

Would it make you feel better if I went back to 1973 post game and said the same thing again?

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I went to Memphis, ate bbq, and saw Giant pandas. I’m back home now.

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So you didnt go to funky town?

Interestingly:

Funkytown or Funky Town may also refer to:

A slang for Memphis.

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Should I wait until replacement or go ahead and hammer?

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My heart died long ago and I’d rather Jguy replacement so I’ll wait.

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Oof - I was wrong on Farren.

VOTE: Farren

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On Penguin's side, he's definitely someone that had reason to shoot Blake specifically.

Why?

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Penguin: you're still reminding me of that last game, except maybe even less present than before.

Yeah - and in my most recent scum game (Normal) I was active for almost the entirety. Activity is not a good indicator.

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On Penguin's side, he's definitely someone that had reason to shoot Blake specifically.

Why?

I would also be content with PenguinPower hammering.

You were pushing me too and then claimed Bomb so what's your point?

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Dunno. Not everyone has fully checked in today.

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Scum can't win with a Bomb alive so if you were a Town Bomb you should have been shot.

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I mean - you don't get to tell me when I get to have opinions on things or how they form.

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a.) They don't know how many bombs
b.) um...you aren't alive if you're lynched

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I mean - you don't get to tell me when I get to have opinions on things or how they form.

True. But I do get to have opinions on your failure to form and/or state opinions.

Were you talking about your opinions? Nope. You asked me mine. Feel free to form whatever opinion you want from my answer, but you

told me

that I should have opinions.

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Scum can't win with a Bomb alive so if you were a Town Bomb you should have been shot.

Can't they foresee he's gonna be lynched, and if he isn't, he can just be roleblocked and shot the next night instead?

I mean - pushing for the lynch is good but not definitive and there could be upwards of 3 Bombs. Bombs can't be roleblocked, and the scum performing the nk has to be doc'd to be protected so it requires 2 scum alive. I don't know why they'd delay it.

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Oops - upwards of 4 Bombs.

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Well - you answered your own question there. Good job.

I also didn't say I had no opinions - I said "I dunno" or "Fuck off, I don't feel like sharing." You can interpret it how you will.

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Huh...fair enough. I just assumed Doc wasn't allowed to self target since that's how it usually is.

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Mafia has a factional Roleblock OR a factional Doctor protection (as well as the group kill). One member may choose to perform both the NK and the Doc/RB choice.

Still doesn't really resolve self-targeting, but they are definitely multitasking.

@Cheeky: Can scum self-target with Doc

Yes.

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Which leads me back to my original point.

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Well that's not nice.

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...who can't even fly.

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s <---- Jinglebingle's snark
_ <---- a line delineating the snark over Creature's head
o <---- Creature's head

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Depends on your perspective. I chuckled.

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Here's the thing, Fish is always gonna bother me.....but still feel town on them.

Creature is starting to not care, and using questionable logic.....but when the game is slow so goes creature when town.

Hectic, clearly not going to sheep his vote as promised.....but we are almost always destined to dance in every game at some point.

So by PoE it is Farren, Bingle, Penguin. And it seems like it is 2 on 1.

Gun to my head, I think Bingle and Penguin have stronger scum equity then Farren at this point.

I don't even know Penguins case on Farren, And Bingle seems to be stretching a bit. Been a bit since playing a game with him, but seems a bit off.

I am going to sheep Farren.

VOTE: Bingle

Scummy eod + scummy claim and he should have died with it (even if Jinglebingle says that’s dumb). Not to mention he knew about the self-targeting doc before Cheeky clarified publicly but said that he wouldn’t assume that unless the rules explicitly said Doc could self target which they don’t so that’s kinda like

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Here's the thing, Fish is always gonna bother me.....but still feel town on them.

Creature is starting to not care, and using questionable logic.....but when the game is slow so goes creature when town.

Hectic, clearly not going to sheep his vote as promised.....but we are almost always destined to dance in every game at some point.

So by PoE it is Farren, Bingle, Penguin. And it seems like it is 2 on 1.

Gun to my head, I think Bingle and Penguin have stronger scum equity then Farren at this point.

I don't even know Penguins case on Farren, And Bingle seems to be stretching a bit. Been a bit since playing a game with him, but seems a bit off.

I am going to sheep Farren.

VOTE: Bingle

Wait...wut? Why are you sheeping someone in your PoE and how do either I or JingleBingle have higher scum equity than Farren?

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cummy eod + scummy claim and he should have died with it (even if Jinglebingle says that’s dumb). Not to mention he knew about the self-targeting doc before Cheeky clarified publicly but said that he wouldn’t assume that unless the rules explicitly said Doc could self target which they don’t so that’s kinda like

This is both false and misrepresenting.

I assumed that the scum could self-target, as it was described as a factional action. I did not *know* that the scum could self-target. That's the part that's false.

The misrepresentation:

That's a good point too. I'd never expect a

Town

Doc to be able to self-protect unless it explicitly said they could. Makes sense to assume a scum Doc power would have the same general restriction.

"Doc" is different than "Town Doc" here.

You do realize how extremely nitpicky both your refutations are there, right? I mean - your second one even equates the restriction between Town and Scum Doc so...

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The first, not even close. The difference between assuming and knowing is the difference between Town and scum.
The second, arguably, but it's still an important nitpick. Leaving out context to make someone look bad is scummy.

Guy - I can't read your mind. You "assumed" something correctly that is v.weird to assume correctly. I didn't leave out context on the second...you literally equated T.doc and S.doc with the same attribution.

I'm not sure why Hectic is handwaving you off tbh...his buddying comment is concerning now.

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I'm not sure why Hectic is handwaving you off tbh...his buddying comment is concerning now.

I think it's important to discuss what we do if Farren's hammered and flips scum. Not sure what you mean here. Would still rather lynch Drew though.

This is what I mean:

You've been hunting. Looking at things. If you're scum, pat yourself on the back for a flawless performance.

Lul, really? I wouldn't say that, but thanks.

I know this could be buddying, but it's still working on me. grumble grumble

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Yuh...thus my concern.

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I don't like you middling him with two hard scum reads - one of which I know you're wrong on.

It's like the easiest way out regardless of his flip (plus where is Jinglebingle?)

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++pagetop gj PP

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Like - I said I don't like you handwaving him off...I'm not sure what was hard to understand about that.

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Lololol

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Here's the thing, Fish is always gonna bother me.....but still feel town on them.

Creature is starting to not care, and using questionable logic.....but when the game is slow so goes creature when town.

Hectic, clearly not going to sheep his vote as promised.....but we are almost always destined to dance in every game at some point.

So by PoE it is Farren, Bingle, Penguin. And it seems like it is 2 on 1.

Gun to my head, I think Bingle and Penguin have stronger scum equity then Farren at this point.

I don't even know Penguins case on Farren, And Bingle seems to be stretching a bit. Been a bit since playing a game with him, but seems a bit off.

I am going to sheep Farren.

VOTE: Bingle

Wait...wut? Why are you sheeping someone in your PoE and how do either I or JingleBingle have higher scum equity than Farren?

Seems you missed this.

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Here's the thing, Fish is always gonna bother me.....but still feel town on them.

Creature is starting to not care, and using questionable logic.....but when the game is slow so goes creature when town.

Hectic, clearly not going to sheep his vote as promised.....but we are almost always destined to dance in every game at some point.

So by PoE it is Farren, Bingle, Penguin. And it seems like it is 2 on 1.

Gun to my head, I think Bingle and Penguin have stronger scum equity then Farren at this point.

I don't even know Penguins case on Farren, And Bingle seems to be stretching a bit. Been a bit since playing a game with him, but seems a bit off.

I am going to sheep Farren.

VOTE: Bingle

Scummy eod + scummy claim and he should have died with it (even if Jinglebingle says that’s dumb). Not to mention he knew about the self-targeting doc before Cheeky clarified publicly but said that he wouldn’t assume that unless the rules explicitly said Doc could self target which they don’t so that’s kinda like

Scummy eod + scummy claim and he should have died with it (even if Jinglebingle says that’s dumb). Not to mention he knew about the self-targeting doc before Cheeky clarified publicly but said that he wouldn’t assume that unless the rules explicitly said Doc could self target which they don’t so that’s kinda like

This plus TMI on karnage flip.

guess you missed this too...

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Drew: You're showing questionable logic, as is Bingle.
Also Drew: Could you show me what your logic was so that I know what I am calling questionable?

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You really need to work on your burns...

Here, I'll show you.

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guess you missed this too...

Hard to catch something that doesn't actually happen.

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Drew: You're showing questionable logic, as is Bingle.
Also Drew: Could you show me what your logic was so that I know what I am calling questionable?

You and Bangle seem to be showing questionable logic, explain your case on Farren

again?

Why do you keep omitting important things when you restate what people are saying?

Because they aren't important? They are nitpicky and don't change the foundation of the message.

Either way you say it (with again or without again) he didn't read either message on catch up. God, you're a pedant.

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But ya, keep posting little digs at me and memey jokes instead of strengthening your case on Farren.

Ok, I will.

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* - okay, technically you're a listmod and could ban me or something, but you wouldn't.

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Yeah, ok.

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I claimed in my second post. Targeted Fish.

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Lul, nice. Why target Fishy though?

First game where he decided to not hard tunnel me/get in argument with me and I thought it was because he was afraid of a vig possibility.

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Hence why my scumread on you is enhanced from last night, since it's a 50% off that alone that you're scum.

That's fair.

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Drew and Penpow, did your failed shots not affect your read on your targets?

I don't believe that I have commented on that, nor do I want to at this point.

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Shock!

but...yeah. It probably is.

I'm shooting you tonight.

VOTE: Drew

p-edit

That was at Farren.

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I mean - if Farren and I both die then Fishy is necessarily the last scum. But yeah sure. No shooting.

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I shot Fishy last night and he no die. So either I'm blank or he was protected. If I shoot Farren and I'm blank, nothing happens. But, if I shoot Farren and we both die that means that Farren is actually a Bomb and I am not blank, meaning Fishy was doc'd and is scum.

Or, I was roleblocked last night but that seems unlikely.

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I'll be here in the morning. Busy day.

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I still think it's Farrenclidd atm. I appreciate the engagement upon rep in if nothing else, clidd. Why am I not mentioned at all...my feelings are hurt...

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clidd...I feel like your ignoring me. I don't like it.

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Why do you townread me,

clidd

?

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Why

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Would you mind pointing that out? I admittedly don't do well with wallposts.

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wow clidd, your avatar changed.

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I may have had one too many wines, but that's a reason to town read jinglebingle, not me unless he's using poe instead of an actual vote which is...meh

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Simple statement that ignores/skips details

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Basically - look at what I said...a lot! (nothing of substance)

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Anyway, PP let me know when you’re ready to end the day.

I've had a really busy weekend so let me catch up and ask any questions I have tomorrow morning.

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I don't see me changing my mind here, but we can wait for clidd to come back...

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Yep.

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I mean - I'm pretty sure it's just Farrenclidd but ok...

VOTE: clidd

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He has to survive today first.

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Youve stayed my hand on you for the time being by not coming out shooting at us when you know PP wants our head too.

I'm going to be re-evaluating and not voting just because that's what Bingle and I agreed on.

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Oof - I was wrong on Farren.

VOTE: Farren

Penpow, remind me of where the confidence in this post came from. Was it the Farren claiming bomb thing?

We conversed about it

Spoiler:

Scum can't win with a Bomb alive so if you were a Town Bomb you should have been shot.

a.) They don't know how many bombs
b.) um...you aren't alive if you're lynched

Scum can't win with a Bomb alive so if you were a Town Bomb you should have been shot.

Can't they foresee he's gonna be lynched, and if he isn't, he can just be roleblocked and shot the next night instead?

I mean - pushing for the lynch is good but not definitive and there could be upwards of 3 Bombs. Bombs can't be roleblocked, and the scum performing the nk has to be doc'd to be protected so it requires 2 scum alive. I don't know why they'd delay it.

Summed up in the first sentence of 735.

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Youve stayed my hand on you for the time being by not coming out shooting at us when you know PP wants our head too.

I'm going to be re-evaluating and not voting just because that's what Bingle and I agreed on.

Cool, wanna talk about anything?

-Fishy

What was this about:

I don't see me changing my mind here, but we can wait for clidd to come back...

This is a shit read. I mean, its not even a fucking read. You dont say shit all fucking game and here is the time for you to say some shit and this is what you choose to say.

Lynch us if you fuckers want, but hect is the scum you are looking for, dumbasses.

clidd was the only one voting you and Jingle and I both said we wanted clidd.

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That's fair and makes sense. I'll be honest, my first thought was that it was a reaction to go against what I said in 834 about me scum reading you at the end of D1 because you were congenial toward me.

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Hectic makes sense because he's letting clidd do whatever because he knows that clidd is going to end up slipping the noose around his own neck when we flip town, which hect knows we will. When that happens hect pushes clidd tomorrow for the winning mislynch and town goes down in flames.

Why is Hectic scum aside from letting clidd do whatever he wants? (It's not lost on me the irony in that clidd literally did end up slipping the noose around his own neck)

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I've gotta take my kid to a school thing. I'll be back later tonight.

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Bored at school and phone posting...

Hectic, you said you didn’t like Fishy head since the meming D1 in 1055 but you had him as the 2nd highest town read at the start of Day 2. Why?

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I mean Hect, you were interacting with clidd during that. How do you not remember how that all went down?

I didn't get that he selfvoted as a "trap". I'm sorry, clidd, but I never see self-voting like that as town-indicative. My first thought is always scum AtE. But maybe that's just how my brain is wired to never self-vote as any alignment if you want to win, so I just see it like that.

I viewed it as AtE and not a trap as well.

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That worked out nicely.

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VOTE: Fishy

I don't see how Hectic is scum here. Sorry FF.

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And Datisi ig...but I haven't played with you before so...

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What does that mean?

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That's a horrible accusation to levy against someone unfounded.

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I just don't believe that scum put all their eggs in the vig fake claim basket + Hectic's thought processes matched mine + I promised Bingle and our thought processes matched = scum!fishy.

sorry.

p-edit

I'm town Hectic

pp-edit

Now who's trolling Dat?

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You know - pp-edit should be my new go to over p-edit....why am I just now realizing this?

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PP this is the game you admit you cant read me for shit.

-Fishy

I did bad...?

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Yeah - didn't realize that from the beginning though. That was true posting from me. I thought we couldn't self target until Farren pointed it out.

Sorry FF.

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if only I wasn't blank!

You shot Drew?

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I was doc'd every night.

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I know my own scumminess tyvm.

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had to be done

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Yes, thanks for modding, Cheeky!

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Sure thing