Micro 922: Strawberry Mafia (Game over!)

[Kanna]

Does anyone like coffee here, maybe?

VOTE: Luca Blight

[Kanna]

1. What is the origin of your username?
2. Why is Compath so townie?
3. When is the last time you had a strawberry?
4. Which of these would you prefer to spend your time doing this weekend (order from most preferred to least): playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game, watching a new episode of your favorite show.
5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?
6. If Hectic has 5 strawberries and DrDolittle has 2, how many does Luca have?
7. Imagine that you are scum this game: would it be true or false that you are scum?

1. It's a character from a video game I like!
2. ?
3. Last week
4. Watching a new episode of your favorite show, playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game
5. a strong 7
6. 18?
7. yes

DOES ANYONE LIKE COFFEE?? THIS IS IMPORTANT

[Kanna]

Why is no one questioning my commitment to voting compath

VOTE: slaxxx
feelin decent about compath rn actually

Tbh, I thought your first vote was a joke too. What's your progression wrt to Compath?

[Kanna]

I kinda agree with Ico's (can I call you Ico?) points in #54 but I really liked this post

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

backtracking because you don't wanna answer me huh?

What do you mean? If you answer them as a group, I'll respond to you. Tit for tat. Every time someone's done this little game of avoiding my questions, they've been scum because they fear that I'll actually be able to distinguish them. There's literally no town motive for avoiding my questions, especially if it will help you sort me. But you're more interested in making a case than actually sorting me.

@Ame, what inspired your RQS?

[Kanna]

Also kinda getting bad vibes of slaxx, maybe

@Hectic; but what if some people can't function without their morning/afternoon/night cups of coffee??

[Kanna]

wow (´• ‸ •`✿)

[Kanna]

it's trainee "trainee" trainee again!

was "Hectic" referring to Officer "Officer" Officer or i? well, since i'm here anyway; i'll answer! i'm new around here but i think coffee was banned because it was too powerful and used as a means of perceiving others' thoughts, to such an extent where some even regarded it as mind reading/mind control!
is there anyone here you suspect may have coffee on their person? :conspicuously looks around:

also, are the bad vibes from slaxx because of takes that feel forced or the "will die on this hill" insistence regarding not answering the RQS?

Sorry Officer/trainer, must've confused you for someone else! Also no I guess...

About slaxx: partially, but some of his other posts also felt weird on first pass. I'll explain it soon. Why did you like them?

[Kanna]

@Ame; will you explain your rqs ~eventually~?

[Kanna]

Ok wait, I just noticed something about clidd's wall. Why wasn't slaxx included?

[Kanna]

also, are the bad vibes from slaxx because of takes that feel forced or the "will die on this hill" insistence regarding not answering the RQS?

Inform Emoji Kanna that what I asked her about are things I disliked upon a second look at slaxx' posts.

sorry, misread that first post. Still, I think my answer is kind of the same. You might have to rephrase that second question for me: are you asking me what *you* disliked on a second pass?

[Kanna]

Luca's latest takes were pretty interesting because they seem to be the opposite of most reads I've seen. I just want to say I wouldn't look into the coffee thing or the wow thing because ~reasons~. From my POV, it looks a bit opportunistic to push me on those things but I could be biased.

[Kanna]

Did agree with this though.

Slaxx

Posts 59 - 61 all seem like reads for the sake of reads. I don't relate to any of them at all and it seems contrived.

78 is a bit weird - I thought Ame was joking about the answer key? Although I can't tell if Slaxx is being serious here himself, but he certainly seems to be taking what Ame said at face value.

[Kanna]

Actually nevermind, my vote stays cause I don't think you pushing me for not following up on my coffee question is in good faith.

[Kanna]

@Luca; I didn't think you pushing me was opportunistic, I thought the fact that 2 of your points against me were my jokes looks like bad faith from my POV.

[Kanna]

@Slaxx

What is your actual read about me, considering that I didn't put you on my list ?

@Clidd, what do you think about Slaxx?

[Kanna]

@Luca; I didn't think you pushing me was opportunistic, I thought the fact that 2 of your points against me were my jokes looks like bad faith from my POV.

It's not the fact you made a joke, it's just that I would have expected you to reply/continue the joke if it were done for any other reason than to display a lighthearted mindset, which is something that comes more from scum.

The joke was made for personal enjoyment and it is being carried on actually. But I guess I can kind of see where you're coming from.

I think this might be a misunderstanding; will come back and think about it tomorrow

[Kanna]

UNVOTE: actually

[Kanna]

@Kanna, how many games have you played as scum?

1 in the marathon last weekend. None if we're talking normal games.

P.S; my scumpartner was hectic

p-edit: sorry for butting in

[Kanna]

I'm 'intense' because ame is pinging me like crazy

The holding on to RQS, how ame refuses to prove it has caught scum in the past, the refusal to talk about it, the refusing to engage with me upon it (exchange questions, withdrawing once ame realized it would have to actually answer my concerns)

And I have literally caught scum in the past for literally what ame is doing right now. I think it was in teh newbie queue. Would have to look it up if anyone's interested.

Is it the game Luca linked? Otherwise, I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Kanna]

Luca's latest takes were pretty interesting because they seem to be the opposite of most reads I've seen. I just want to say I wouldn't look into the coffee thing or the wow thing because ~reasons~. From my POV, it looks a bit opportunistic to push me on those things but I could be biased.

what do you mean by 'interesting'? what do you make of it?

It's interesting because he's going against the current. E.g he put clidd who was p scumread earlier as a TR while you/hectic/me as an SR. He hasn't put out all the reasoning yet, so I'm not sure.

@luca; would be interested in the rest of the reasoning btw

[Kanna]

yeah it was that game

but mea culpa, i didn't catch that scum

luca did, i was just on the wagon for that and other reasons as well

so what I should have said was smt like: 'ive seen scum get caught for RQS in teh past' and not 'Ive caught scum for RQS in the past'

Alrighty, I'll look over that game tomorrow. I've also been in a game where the rqs poster was scum, but in that game, he used to try and grab the "town leader role," early (I think?) which is kinda different to what Ame is doing.

[Kanna]

Actually VOTE: Luca Blight I had a look at that game you linked and you were reallllyyy against RQS there, why were you accepting of Ame in this game?

Also you said this but this is *after* you already trusted them (if that makes sense)

The difference though is that in that newbie game the player (Spangled) didn't hold onto the RQS, whereas Ame is.

What is the scum motivation behind insisting everyone answers the questions?

[Kanna]

Luca's latest takes were pretty interesting because they seem to be the opposite of most reads I've seen. I just want to say I wouldn't look into the coffee thing or the wow thing because ~reasons~. From my POV, it looks a bit opportunistic to push me on those things but I could be biased.

what do you mean by 'interesting'? what do you make of it?

It's interesting because he's going against the current. E.g he put clidd who was p scumread earlier as a TR while you/hectic/me as an SR. He hasn't put out all the reasoning yet, so I'm not sure.

@luca; would be interested in the rest of the reasoning btw

What’s your read on Clidd, Kanna?

Do you think going against the current is more Town or scum indicative?

I’ll get to the other reasoning soon, although the Hectic SL was based on the ‘officer’ gimmick which is making him hard to read. Based on content he’s entirely null.

As for clidd, not sure. I know he does do walls as town but idk if he's incapable of doing them as scum

@clidd, do you have any other scumgames I can look at? That one you linked was v short

[Kanna]

@clidd, you're not hiding

coffee

a gun, are you?

[Kanna]

@luca; (carrying on from that post)

I think going against the current could go either way, it depends on whether the reasoning is good? I do kind of get gut feelings that scum might purposely go against the current though so people don't accuse them of sheeping. Would still like to hear the rest of your reasoning

[Kanna]

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

was just feeling a ~7

Also current reads?

Right now it's

<Compath, Ame, Ico>

<Hectic, DDL, Clidd> ---null
<Slaxx>
<Luca>

Slaxx was scummy before Luca's push, but the reasoning for Luca's push felt weird to me. If it's TvS, scum is Luca imo

[Kanna]

i'm not sure about hectic and it's roleplay

i've literally never seen hectic do that so i don't know what it means

it's funny and great, but i can't really read him based off of that

From my experience, Hectic joking around is his town meta + if he is town, he can still towntell over it. I'm not sure I've seen that in this game though

@Officer Hectic; what are your thoughts rn?

[Kanna]

Also forgot about this earlier but I'm bringing it back

also, are the bad vibes from slaxx because of takes that feel forced or the "will die on this hill" insistence regarding not answering the RQS?

Inform Emoji Kanna that what I asked her about are things I disliked upon a second look at slaxx' posts.

sorry, misread that first post. Still, I think my answer is kind of the same. You might have to rephrase that second question for me: are you asking me what *you* disliked on a second pass?

[Kanna]

@clidd; so what are your thoughts on playing scum? do you really not like it or were you busy in your scumgames/some other reason?

[Kanna]

I think my reads have changed a bit since last page. I feel pretty good about Clidd being town now.

[Kanna]

(cont) It's hard to explain but some of his reasoning really ~pulls me in~ and from past experience, I think it means someone is town. Maybe I should rethink Ico

[Kanna]

@clidd; so what are your thoughts on playing scum? do you really not like it or were you busy in your scumgames/some other reason?

The two games were coincidental, I had outstanding issues to resolve.

you said you have 2 games; can you link the other one?

[Kanna]

nevermind I found it: it's here if anyone wants to see

Clidd *can* do wallpost analysis posts as scum

[Kanna]

Huh ok, actually I have to think about clidd again.

[Kanna]

@Luca, what makes you so sure clidd is town if you've seen him do posts like this as scum?

[Kanna]

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

was just feeling a ~7

Also current reads?

Right now it's

<Compath, Ame, Ico>

<Hectic, DDL, Clidd> ---null
<Slaxx>
<Luca>

Slaxx was scummy before Luca's push, but the reasoning for Luca's push felt weird to me. If it's TvS, scum is Luca imo

You ignored my response to your reason for SR’ing me in 217. Why is that?

Is there anything you want to engage me about regarding the Slaxx push?

Also for this, I didn't ignore that reasoning, my reasoning for SRing you was because of your reasoning wrt to the Slaxx push. Don't have any questions for you about that though.

[Kanna]

Inform Conniver Kanna that I saw things I disliked and was asking whether she disliked the same things or something else not considered by Mass Spec Analytical Unit.

but officer! Didn't you say you generally liked slaxx's takes?

trainee "trainee" trainee here because Officer "Officer" Officer is now off duty!

normally i'm just assigned to do paperwork and file cabinets around here, so i'm looking forward to doing some real field work! first, props to the mod for 4 PageTop VCs in a row! secondly, i find Ame intentionally ignoring questions regarding Compath very strange, but i think i can see where she's going with her RQS thing which might be civilian-indicative. we shall see!

slaxx has had good takes so far

other than his DDL read where it didn't look like to me that DDL was frustrated from that post.
DDL, so was your original vote on compath serious or not?

that's all for now!

I don't think I saw any takes that you thought he was trying hard or not liking him before that.

[Kanna]

Ame's wall is v interesting but I have to go so I'll digest it later

p-edit: hi ame

[Kanna]

Kanna the issue I have with Luca-scum is at the time, Clidd and I were both fairly vulnerable in our positions. He seemed to arbitrate and intervene early into our 1v1 spat. If we are both town, and Luca is scum, what motivation does he have to do that?

not sure which part you're talking about. can you quote the a bit or something?

p-edit; hi clidd, bye clidd

[Kanna]

I still get the vibe Ame believes what she’s saying. Now, what’s up for debate is how much they are applying it to move the game forward. Obviously it’s easy to tell the truth as mafia if you talk about non-game related things.

I think, though, that there is enough “this-game” content wrapped up in that analysis to not give me much pause on sustaining a town read.

I really agree with this ^

[Kanna]

trainee "trainee" trainee will step in for Officer "Officer" Officer!

Kanna:

>see slaxx' takes
>hey, i agree with Icon being towny for that push, and Compath's 8 and 9 do feel like filler (which can be a good scumtell), DDL i disagree with but whatever
>like these takes overall
>see you say you're getting bad vibes
>recheck his posts
>realise that the Icon and Compath takes aren't difficult or nuanced ones to make and so feel somewhat forced
>see his "die on this hill" post which feels a little over the top stubborn
>reply to you about these things

now if you'll

excuse

me, i'm getting back to watching Knives Out

So you're saying you just changed your opinion between those 2 posts? sighhh I might believe you

[Kanna]

@compath, can you explain your luca and clidd read?

[Kanna]

This game is hard

[Kanna]

I think Ame sounded really genuine in #415, like she was pouring her heart out. I think Clidd might be town cause he seems really invested in solving; don't know if scum goes this far.

[Kanna]

Luca I still don't feel good on wrt to slaxx, because imo, slaxx looked bad, but I could kind of see him taking advantage of that if he was scum and slaxx was town.

[Kanna]

my mind is still kinda unchanged. I'll come back later maybe

[Kanna]

Inspector "Inspector" Inspector flashing his badge.

Especially since me and Hectic are in the game and aware that town Luca should read you as town here. If he were to do otherwise it would look really bad

Detective Ame is correct here. Dark Knight Luca reading you as town for activity/engagement should be completely non-alignment-indicative to you, Professor Clidd.

Count me down as super agree with both of these.

[Kanna]

‘Dislike’ as in you’re scumreading me for it, or simply think I’m wrong to do so?

I’ve never said I believe Clidd will always replace out as scum btw. I feel as though he’d be more disinterested as scum, however.

I believe

scum!Luca

would use this information in a very different way than it was done here.

Well, I believe that the differences in quality of playerlists are not significant to invalidate the read, so I won't comment it. Until now, I was relying on the fact that he used information about me transparently, something that I would not hesitate to associate with

town!Luca

. However, with these comparisons,

Hectic

, the problem is that you are assuming that he would follow the same

scum

line of reasoning as the game in which both of you participated together. Could you explain why he did not avoid using the same neutral method, considering that you are here too, and could, evidently, unmask him ?

Also I don't necessarily think clidd is scummy for this, but these posts show a double standard/contradiction imo. Post 1 suggests clidd thinks scum!luca would push him (with traceable history between them) but post 2 suggests that clidd thinks he would change it up to not get caught.

[Kanna]

compath why do you townread ico?

Can you give your thoughts on Ico?

[Kanna]

In this case, it is more difficult to use the analysis method by association, since these posts agree with a game pattern that aims at more frequency and objectivity than necessarily in the numerical expansion factor. Even with a metaread applied, this constancy is difficult to discriminate specifically to define a possible alignment. As a result, he remains null, until I am able to distinguish him correctly. I would like an opinion from those who have played with him.

Can you like, speak in a non esoteric tone? I read this 3 times and didn't understand this and I'm surprised no one is calling you out

That's my normal tone. Occasionally, I post notes to remember later.

no problem i guess im saying can you explain what you do you mean by the highlighted post

I think he just means he can't read you and wants someone who has played with you to say something; someone correct me if I'm wrong

[Kanna]

Actually has anyone played with DDL before? I played with him in a marathon and his tone is pretty similar (town) but I'm not sure what he's like in normal games or scum.

[Kanna]

Anime Kanna, I hear you are the Clidd-whispherer around these parts of Strawberryville. Do you agree?

Also I'm training to be (´• ᴗ •`✿)

[Kanna]

@DDL; oh right. I'm actually not sure I see that actually.

[Kanna]

Actually I remember clidd vs ico being kind of interesting earlier. I might have to look at that

[Kanna]

@DDL; according to you, what's the difference between ico vs clidd and luca vs slaxx? Also why is compath a TR when he pushed clidd in a similar way to Ico?

[Kanna]

I have to go to school starting tomorrow so I'm not sure how active I'll be. As on rn, I still want Luca; Hectic brought up some good points + I had a few pings from a while back that I still don't feel good on.

[Kanna]

@Luca;

@Luca, what makes you so sure clidd is town if you've seen him do posts like this as scum?

Also what made you change your mind wrt to your original SR on me? Iirc, you said you agreed with clidd's point about me which was literally my rqs answers were short; do you really think that makes me scummy?

[Kanna]

inb4 prod

Sorry, was really tired yesterday and I’m about to get ready to go to school again so I’ll post when I get back/during a break

[Kanna]

@Ame, what was it you wanted me to clarify exactly? Why I asked you about the RQS questions?

[Kanna]

@Luca, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly your reasoning as of 129?
@Hectic, can you provide and explain your Compath read?
@Slaxx, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly what changed your opinion on 8 and 9 as indicated in your 227? And what influenced his placement in your 231 list?
@Ico, can you elaborate on why you were reading Compath as town as of 321? Additionally, why were you worried Compath had a meta read of you if he was town reading you (185)? Additionally, why did you ask who Compath was in 28 but not ask the same of me?
@Kanna, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly your reasoning as of 328.

Additionally, I'd like to know what each of you thinks about the points I made against Compath.

I’m on mobile so I can’t give examples, but I remember a chain of their posts being really townie a few pages back. I do want to take another look since it’s been a while + I didn’t agree with their readlist.

[Kanna]

@Luca, what makes you so sure clidd is town if you've seen him do posts like this as scum?

Clidd typed that post before he even knew he was scum, therefore it didn't come from a scum mindset.

What do you mean? Don’t you have to confirm your role before you play? ???

[Kanna]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

was just feeling a ~7

Also current reads?

Right now it's

<Compath, Ame, Ico>

<Hectic, DDL, Clidd> ---null
<Slaxx>
<Luca>

Slaxx was scummy before Luca's push, but the reasoning for Luca's push felt weird to me. If it's TvS, scum is Luca imo

You ignored my response to your reason for SR’ing me in 217. Why is that?

Is there anything you want to engage me about regarding the Slaxx push?

Also for this, I didn't ignore that reasoning, my reasoning for SRing you was because of your reasoning wrt to the Slaxx push. Don't have any questions for you about that though.

Your initial SR on me was because I reacted differently to RQS than the linked game:

Actually VOTE: Luca Blight I had a look at that game you linked and you were reallllyyy against RQS there, why were you accepting of Ame in this game?

Also you said this but this is *after* you already trusted them (if that makes sense)

The difference though is that in that newbie game the player (Spangled) didn't hold onto the RQS, whereas Ame is.

What is the scum motivation behind insisting everyone answers the questions?

You ignored my explanation for this and instead found another reason to SR me, without making any effort to actually engage me about it.

I’m sure I said I didn’t ignore your reasoning. I read it, but it was an “eh,” because I could see it coming from either alignment. I would’ve been fine with reconsidering you later if you did something townie, but then the you vs slaxx thing happened and I didn’t like how you acted. It was a reaction so I don’t know why you’re holding onto the fact I didn’t engage you with it.

[Kanna]

o h n o

[Kanna]

@luca; ok, I’ll look at that later

[Kanna]

I think I’m coming around to Luca. Also the compath stuff by Ame/Luca is pretty convincing. Still going to look back before deciding

[Kanna]

I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore

[Kanna]

Still not finished and have to go to class; will be back later

[Kanna]

VOTE: Compath

Is massclaim a good idea today?

[Kanna]

@Ame, so this was my first game with rqs. Spoiler, rqs poster was scum. I just really wanted to see what you were gonna do with it

[Kanna]

tbf, I knew I was gonna look bad today, but i really would rather not get lynched

I want to massclaim, what do you guys think?

[Kanna]

actually i'm not sure, but just general thoughts anyone?

[Kanna]

@Ame, I really can't remember honestly, I just asked cause I was extra curious about it

[Kanna]

Why?

[Kanna]

oops that was @ame

[Kanna]

I really think it's Compath btw

[Kanna]

I don't see the need to mass-claim right now.

I think we can maybe solve the game today

[Kanna]

I just really think it's compath, trust me guys

[Kanna]

ok fine, I have a guilty on compath but no one ask about it for now. Compath, claim please

[Kanna]

^ i really don’t want to talk about it until Compath claims

[Kanna]

mhm

Well they did log on! This is of course assuming that the clues he gave Ico were genuine rather than a red herring.

Ame, what do you mean by clues?

[Kanna]

Ok, if Compath doesn’t respond soon and you guys think it’s a good idea, I’ll out it.

[Kanna]

mhm

Well they did log on! This is of course assuming that the clues he gave Ico were genuine rather than a red herring.

Ame, what do you mean by clues?

@Ame; ?

[Kanna]

This is a bad idea, but everyone's forcing me so

I'm a gunsmith. Here was my crumb (implying I check for hidden guns):

@clidd, you're not hiding

coffee

a gun, are you?

I checked Compath last night. He has a gun.

Honestly getting bad feelings from ame/clidd for pushing an outed pr.

[Kanna]

Honestly don't know anymore, @Luca, can we talk?

[Kanna]

I outted pretty much at the start of the day. The reason why there's a chance he's not lockscum is because I'm not a cop. I think my role means I could potentially get a fake guilty

[Kanna]

I wanted Compath to claim first because if he claims something like miller, he's super lockscum. Now it doesn't work anymore

[Kanna]

Because I wasn't on the scum lynch wagon.

[Kanna]

I meant it as all of us us off wagon looked bad. When Ico flipped scum, it was likely we were going to be pushed today

I just didn’t understand it. I get it now though.

[Kanna]

UNVOTE: going to sleep, I’ll think about things later

[Kanna]

@Ame; No, from my perspective, I only know what I am/my result is the truth. Besides, I was trying to bait a scumclaim from Compath.

[Kanna]

I can see scum having a roleblocker/joat maybe(?) and no killing might set up a roleblocker claim for the future

I think Compath claims and we lynch one of the remaining excluding me, Luca, Compath. I surely get killed tonight assuming Luca is telling the truth

[Kanna]

Or I could get another result tomorrow but unlikely because I think I’m a full cop now

[Kanna]

*claims his result I mean

[Kanna]

Nah, we don’t kill me today. I die tonight, 100% because I’m probably the only person who can find scum now. Why is everyone voting me?

[Kanna]

Also is there a chance of scum no kill?

[Kanna]

I’m gonna be busy for a few more hours but I think VOTE: clidd for these follow votes. I don’t think DDL is scum for what he did just there.

[Kanna]

Kanna

I think I’m coming around to Luca. Also the compath stuff by Ame/Luca is pretty convincing. Still going to look back before deciding

What made you change your mind on Luca at this point in time?

I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore

Can you point out the chains that you felt were townie?

VOTE: Compath

Is massclaim a good idea today?

Why did you go the mass claim route instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath? Why have everyone else claim?

@Ame; No, from my perspective, I only know what I am/my result is the truth.

Exactly, so the point is that from my perspective, I only know what I am, I don't know what you are. Why would you expect me/Clidd to put blind faith into your claim considering that there was another claim that contradicted your result?

Ok, I'm a little tired atm so do you still need 1 and 2? If so, I'll answer tomorrow-ish. Also why those questions?

Third one was my bad, got a little overexcited. I was pretty sure Compath was scum at the time and in my experience, massclaim comes when the game is pretty much solved.

Fourth is ??? of course from my perspective, you/clidd could be scum trying to get rid of a pr so you can save a nk.

[Kanna]

I think Kanna is it. The way she went about her claim doesn't feel genuine to me at all. She "gave in" to claiming way too easily and it doesn't really make sense for her to have pushed for a mass claim instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath and having him claim only. I think Kanna felt she needed to make a move today (as she stated, she felt she would look bad after the Ico flip) and made the play to try and get herself cleared as a town PR.

Also why is my claim not genuine? I was on L-2 with possible scum quickhammering me and my original claim was because I got a guilty.

[Kanna]

I'm not really sure I understand why no lynch is good, can someone explain it to me?

[Kanna]

Like, I could just die if there's no doctor (I don't think there is) and absolutely is to be gained.

[Kanna]

The only way there's a doctor is if Luca is scum I think, because it *does* seem unbalanced.

[Kanna]

@Ame; I liked these posts from Luca. Looks to me like sorting with good faith vs what I thought was bad faith with me before

Spoiler:

-What is your read on Dark Knight Luca now?

Up in the air. I'm awaiting his responses.

What caused your read on me to be ‘up in the air’?

Your insistence on scum!Ico despite us just having played a town game together. I also feel ur using something of a double standard when it comes to casing me vs your read on Clidd.

I’m not insisting that you’re scum; I’m still in the process of working you out.

It may seem like a double standard to you, but the fact is I’ve seen Clidd do the same things in previous Town games as what you’re scumreading him for here. Others have seen it too. Given this context, do you really believe I’m reading this in a manipulative way? Have you never had such meta reads before yourself?

I hold you and Clidd to different standards, because you’re both very different players.

@Luca why did you feel Compath over Iconeum before. You made multi-post case on Ico and barely anything on Compath.

Also I've been feeling a lack of force behind your pushes this game. Where's the spirit?

I wrongly hard SR Icon in the last game we were in together, so it’s possible I’m wrong even though I think he’s scum. Compath’s play has no redeeming features so I felt more comfortable lynching there, but as I said I’m ok lynching either of them.

You seem to always say my pushes lack force, maybe that’s just my play style? I don’t normally push really hard unless I’m convinced someone is scum.

Traveling atm, will continue when I get back home.

Compath: I really liked these posts + tone

Spoiler:

VOTE: slaxxx
feelin decent about compath rn actually

What changed in between your "serious" vote and here? I don't think I posted any real content in between your "serious" vote and your change of mind.

Clidd feels like he's trying too hard to be honest.

@Clidd - How is your Iconeum read different from the null reads you have on Luca and DDL?

Why did you basically completely ignore slaxx?

Why do you need something to "radically" change your opinion in order to not scumread Ame, despite stating that you only find them to be slightly suspicious?

Why is playing a character town-indicative for Hectic? In my opinion, it'd be scum-indicative because he gets to hide behind the character that he's playing.

What specifically did you find scummy in Kanna/my RQS answers? Did you find the fact that we quickly complied with RQS to be scummy, or something else?

Town the worst - My favorite duckling. Quack!
Kanna - Questioning others and actively generating content. They're participating in interactions that they don't really need to.
Hectic - Still a quality memer, like usual. Despite putting up an act as this Officer "Officer" Officer guy, he feels surprisingly natural.
Iconeum - Gut, and also sort of meta read. Asking questions and actively pressuring Ame. Ame - Doubles down on the "Answer my RQS" thing, and draws unnecessary attention to themselves. DDL - Feels very relaxed and natural, saying things as they come to his mind.
Null Luca Blight - He just hasn't done much yet.
Slaxx - Gut, and I also dislike post 66.
Clidd - He simply feels like he's trying too hard. He calls Ico's interactions with Ame "well-intentioned". Despite this, he still puts Ico as a nullish read. Some of his reads simply don't make much sense. He townreads Hectic for playing a character, and scumreads Kanna and I for something related to Ame's RQS, and doesn't elaborate on it at all. His post 88 also feels like he made it hard to read on purpose.
Scum Datisi - Gets too many pagetops. Leave some for the rest of us!

Ok wait, I just noticed something about clidd's wall. Why wasn't slaxx included?

I forgot about him, did the post quickly.

I highly doubt you "did that post quickly"

The first quote about Ame was very unnecessarily long. You also go through a meta read on Ame. You bother to link the games you were referencing, and even color coded and bolded certain words.

Despite having such a long and detailed scum case on Ame (half of which you could've just deleted and we still would've understood it perfectly fine), you quickly go over Kanna and I in

one sentence

without any real explanation.

Ico: again tone + I could sort of understand the rqs push because I've had a similar experience before

Spoiler:

Hello! Everyone, please answer these very important questions. I've spent thousands of hours researching questions that are guaranteed to distinguish scum from town. If everyone answers, we should know the scum team within the first page!

1. What is the origin of your username?
2. Why is Compath so townie?
3. When is the last time you had a strawberry?
4. Which of these would you prefer to spend your time doing this weekend (order from most preferred to least): playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game, watching a new episode of your favorite show.
5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?
6. If Hectic has 5 strawberries and DrDolittle has 2, how many does Luca have?
7. Imagine that you are scum this game: would it be true or false that you are scum?

VOTE: DrDoLittle

for voting a townie

fun fact: last couple of times (or was it just once? not sure) i saw someone open with this it was scum who wanted to blend in.
Also do you think that voting for a townie is scum indicative?

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

Hello! Everyone, please answer these very important questions. I've spent thousands of hours researching questions that are guaranteed to distinguish scum from town. If everyone answers, we should know the scum team within the first page!

1. What is the origin of your username?
2. Why is Compath so townie?
3. When is the last time you had a strawberry?
4. Which of these would you prefer to spend your time doing this weekend (order from most preferred to least): playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game, watching a new episode of your favorite show.
5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?
6. If Hectic has 5 strawberries and DrDolittle has 2, how many does Luca have?
7. Imagine that you are scum this game: would it be true or false that you are scum?

VOTE: DrDoLittle

for voting a townie

this implies that ame is townreading compath for that opening, which is a stretch

at best

fun fact: last couple of times (or was it just once? not sure) i saw someone open with this it was scum who wanted to blend in.
Also do you think that voting for a townie is scum indicative?

I get that a lot! Something about it being LAMIST.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

I like your avatar, please answer my questions! This particular set has never failed to identify scum. Once everyone answers, we should have this game solved in no time

the way ame says 'voting a townie that is playing townie' is scummy, strongly suggests ame is actually strong townreading compath because??

That is neat.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

Yes

The way ame is dodging around my questions strongly feels like he doesn't wanna be held accountable for this read, which really pings me.

I'm 'intense' because ame is pinging me like crazy

The holding on to RQS, how ame refuses to prove it has caught scum in the past, the refusal to talk about it, the refusing to engage with me upon it (exchange questions, withdrawing once ame realized it would have to actually answer my concerns)

And I have literally caught scum in the past for literally what ame is doing right now. I think it was in teh newbie queue. Would have to look it up if anyone's interested.

[Kanna]

Also sidenote; I looked through clidd's scumgame again wrt to

@Luca, what makes you so sure clidd is town if you've seen him do posts like this as scum?

Clidd typed that post before he even knew he was scum, therefore it didn't come from a scum mindset.

What do you mean? Don’t you have to confirm your role before you play? ???

Read his iso from that game, he typed that post before he was sent his role PM.

and what Luca says here is wrong. He says "

As soon as i confirmed

, i did a brief reading of the events of the beginning until the middle, before the announcement of the mod about both players, and started typing." (because I can't quote locked forums anymore)

Don't know if it's relevant rn but I don't think we should underestimate clidd lol

[Kanna]

I thought about it and I think massclaim might not be good today after all. Not gonna say anything else cause I don't know how but yeah

[Kanna]

I'm slightly leaning Hectic I think

feelsbad

[Kanna]

Also Hectic already claimed...

[Kanna]

I roughly read through the last page and major ????? Please can we not do anything hasty/weird? I’ll be back later

[Kanna]

As in NO RANDOM INTENT HAMMERS PLEASE

[Kanna]

I haven’t read through the last few pages but in case anyone’s waiting for me: no I didn’t get roleblocked + Hectic doesn’t have a gun so he’s innocent

I’ll read through now

[Kanna]

Ok I’m caught up and I’m pretty much thinking this too

trainee "trainee" trainee reconsidering

Clidd is Vanilla btw so probably Town.

hang on, i think a Encrytor + Goon team would be quite underpowered if all the other PRs are civilians so on this basis Clidd is probably a civilian

it's Corrupt Detective Ame, with an outside chance of Dark Knight Luca being a lawbreaker rolecop who's been honest with checks

I checked the wiki and yes mafia doctors come up innocent to me, but a mafia doctor makes no sense here.

[Kanna]

Only mafia doctor which makes zero sense in this setup unless it’s specifically to have a gunsmith inno

Actually, good point

[Kanna]

But Hectic’s play here reallllyyyy doesn’t look like scum imo

[Kanna]

Question: is it possible for a special scum role to appear as inno on reports ?

I’m a gunsmith and I check for guns. Apparently all doctors (including mafia) don’t have guns so take of that what you will

[Kanna]

trainee "trainee" trainee finally signing off

civilians of the town, could you have the decency to unvote and not hammer yet? we have many days left and i'd like to look over Ame/Luca to ensure Dark Knight Luca isn't gonna sneak away with a victory

it's 80/20 Ame/Luca, but i'd like to look over things

okay, going for real now. if someone lolhammers, do the safe thing and imprison Ame please

I mean does scum say stuff like this?

[Kanna]

Omg

[Kanna]

I get what Ame is saying too. I don’t think it’s the worst lynch ever. I had a scumread on the slot.

But still, Id like time to digest.

There is still a chance that Luca isn’t a town rolecop, though if he is mafia that’s fairly scumsided I think.

Bro what happened to this????

[Kanna]

I wasn’t roleblocked again and was pretty sure it was just ame, but apparently she doesn’t have a gun.

[Kanna]

Also clidd, I’m a girl; the fact that you’ve consistently called me a he is a bit </333

[Kanna]

Anyway, i’m not lying and I think ame is still the most likely because scum doctors exist and the fact that I’m alive probably means I’m not a threat (I can’t get a guilty on her)

Luca also said clidd was vanilla yesterday but I’m wondering if that really confirms him as town.

Slaxx is confirmed of course.

[Kanna]

Then you're lying, which makes things more easier.

How did you get to this?

[Kanna]

@ame; I’m super sure I did answer the rqs thing. I’ll find my response later if you want. Also why is that so important to you?

[Kanna]

Also @ame, it’s POE

I’ll be busy for a few more hours but if we no lynch, I’ll check clidd.

[Kanna]

If clidd has a gun, it’s clidd. If he doesn’t, it’s ame. If I die, then it’s ???

[Kanna]

Basically I think I’m dying tonight so we should no lynch. I still lean ame though. Just think she’d be capable of doing all this as scum.

[Kanna]

Clidd doesn’t have a gun = scum!doc Ame

[Kanna]

Clidd, I feel like you’ve missed some things?

Yesterday, Luca investigated you. Apparently, you were vanilla, and then Luca died. I then investigated you and you had no gun so you cant be mafia goon. Ame as scum doctor is the only solution

[Kanna]

And it actually makes sense Luca died since he would have been able to investigate Ame and find out what she was vs me where I can’t.

VOTE: Ame

[Kanna]

Ame is doing a super big misrep of mechanics right now; just hear me out

If clidd has a gun, it’s clidd. If he doesn’t, it’s ame. If I die, then it’s ???

Like I said, the reasoning behind this is because Luca investigated you yesterday and got *vanilla*. From his flip, we know he was legit. This means you can either be mafia goon or vt. I got an inno which means you are definitely vt. There’s no way for me to inno on scum!you because you cannot be a doctor/there is no loophole for you to be scum unless Luca lied. Ame is totally lying here.

[Kanna]

If this doesn’t make sense, let me know and I’ll explain it in a different way cause I’m not great at explaining this stuff

[Kanna]

Also her point on my role was completely wrong too; according to the wiki, “Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors)” + (several town roles) have guns. Ico would have had a gun. Ame doesn’t. She’s basically a godfather to me which is why her role is good.

[Kanna]

If Luca investigates her, he’ll get *doctor* + no alignment so a doctor fakeclaim would work really well too. I think after all the power roles got outed D2 and Luca pretended he was one shot, Ame changed her claim to VT because there were too many PRs.

[Kanna]

She killed him after he gave another result because he would then be the only person to be able to catch her out on her lie.

[Kanna]

As in* he’s not a 1 shot rolecop, but a FULL rolecop

[Kanna]

Everything literally makes sense from scumdoc!ame perspective

[Kanna]

And even the setup; since encryptor is kind of a weak role, they would need something strong to balance it out so the second is a GODFATHER

[Kanna]

Going to be away for a few hours again, regardless of what happens, let’s have a civil/chill lylo?

[Kanna]

I’ll bring up some points against Ame when I come back, clidd, if any of this is wordsalad please let me know because this honestly makes perfect sense to me but I’m not sure how this is coming across

[Kanna]

I’m at school and will be for another couple of hours but sure, please wait for me and I’ll bring up stuff/address Ame’s stuff (I haven’t ignored them just busy).

[Kanna]

Sorry to keep you guys waiting

-

-snip-

Or maybe I sound genuine...because I'm being genuine.

Also Ame says tone is NAI here but doesn't give any examples on the reverse scenario so I'll give one.

tldr; phoenix was scum but managed to look good/be townread the entire game and got trusted over Norwegian who really only had tone on his side. It's literally the same situation here but I won't get into how salty I was over that game.

[Kanna]

Emotional read. The logical part you still beat Kanna.

Btw, what do you mean by "the logical part"?

[Kanna]

For ame's points (rqs + massclaim), I answered those ages ago. I was going to link them yesterday and thought I had time but didn't know it took 2 to no lynch.

Spoiler:

@Ame, so this was my first game with rqs. Spoiler, rqs poster was scum. I just really wanted to see what you were gonna do with it

I don't see the need to mass-claim right now.

I think we can maybe solve the game today

Kanna

I think I’m coming around to Luca. Also the compath stuff by Ame/Luca is pretty convincing. Still going to look back before deciding

What made you change your mind on Luca at this point in time?

I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore

Can you point out the chains that you felt were townie?

VOTE: Compath

Is massclaim a good idea today?

Why did you go the mass claim route instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath? Why have everyone else claim?

@Ame; No, from my perspective, I only know what I am/my result is the truth.

Exactly, so the point is that from my perspective, I only know what I am, I don't know what you are. Why would you expect me/Clidd to put blind faith into your claim considering that there was another claim that contradicted your result?

Ok, I'm a little tired atm so do you still need 1 and 2? If so, I'll answer tomorrow-ish. Also why those questions?

Third one was my bad, got a little overexcited. I was pretty sure Compath was scum at the time and in my experience, massclaim comes when the game is pretty much solved.

Fourth is ??? of course from my perspective, you/clidd could be scum trying to get rid of a pr so you can save a nk.

Did you ignore my answers, Ame?/What did you think about them?

[Kanna]

Also her point on my role was completely wrong too; according to the wiki, “Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors)” + (several town roles) have guns. Ico would have had a gun. Ame doesn’t. She’s basically a godfather to me which is why her role is good.

This I didn't know. If Encrypter shows up with a gun, then I agree that point is invalid.

That being said, you're cherry-picking and have not addressed the holes in your play that you've consistently danced around the entire game:

-your pseudo-investigative mindset
-your theatric claim

And additionally your TMI on Hectic. Luca having a vanilla on Clidd should not have led to the conclusion that Hectic was town for you.

And additionally you sill wouldn't have come into today voting as you did. You would have at least allowed me to make a statement in case there was something you missed. You're not coming at this from a town figure-out-the game angle.

Side note: I actually missed Luca's claim that Clidd was vanilla until the next day when you pointed it out. There wouldn't have been a reason for me to kill him and I was surprised he was killed over Slaxx because he was a potential suspect. I think you're the only one that actually caught on that he wasn't 1-shot?

Also what happened with Hectic was I looked at my results PM first, saw he didn't have a gun, thought "oh hectic is town!" and came into the game with a town!hectic mindset. Then slaxx said something about a scum!doctor being able to be scum but not have a gun so that got shot down a bit. But I still thought his last posts of a dying message was townie.

[Kanna]

Clidd, what do you think of my mechanics thing last page?

[Kanna]

Also Ame, why did you hard TR DDL and turn on him, then hard TR Hectic and turn on him too?

[Kanna]

I don't think I get your point then. If you asked me a question and are going to scumread me no matter how I answer, then why did you ask it?

Also it was natural because I'm town. That's just how I react.

[Kanna]

Also Ame, why did you hard TR DDL and turn on him, then hard TR Hectic and turn on him too?

I shouldn't have, but since we were excluding you I started thinking of alternate theories. It was a mistake to have done so.

Why is this not opportunism?

[Kanna]

I don't think his dying messages were townie and neither did Luca or Slaxx. The fact that you did indicates that you are the deviant.

Well, I did because he didn't fight back, but instead left a message. I felt like that was townie.

[Kanna]

I don't really know what you want me to explain?? I guess I didn't read it? I don't know? RQS is just something I have personal experience with so I was interested in it. That's all

[Kanna]

Also Ame, why did you hard TR DDL and turn on him, then hard TR Hectic and turn on him too?

I shouldn't have, but since we were excluding you I started thinking of alternate theories. It was a mistake to have done so.

Why is this not opportunism?

Because it would have been silly for scum to have put themselves out there for no reason. The logical thing for scum Ame would have simply been to no lynch and kill you.

Additionally my reasoning is easily followable. There is nothing disingenuous about it and you can tell I was thinking things through as we went along.

Actually I feel like we're entering the territory of everything being able to be argued for so ??? Why couldn't you have put yourself out there to make this argument/throw people off?

[Kanna]

I don't really know what you want me to explain?? I guess I didn't read it? I don't know? RQS is just something I have personal experience with so I was interested in it. That's all

So to be clear, did you or did you not read it? Please state this directly. No more guessing. Just answer.

I literally can't remember whenever this happened. I must've skimmed over it then.

[Kanna]

To be clear it would also be acceptable to have forgotten my post and that's why you asked. But what you're saying is that you've forgotten whether or not you actually saw it which is not believable in the slightest.

Well it's just what happened. Sometimes I post what I'm thinking without thinking too much about what's happening around me. You're nitpicking on things which don't mean anything to try and make me look bad.

[Kanna]

Why did locktown Hectic here then?

If DDL town and Kanna lives, we lynch Kanna. If not, we lynch Clidd. If the game is still going at that point, it's between Luca and Compath sided toward Luca. Under no circumstances do we lynch Ame, Slaxx, or Hectic. I repeat: DO. NOT. LYNCH. HECTIC.

[Kanna]

Meta. In the game I just played where he flipped scum he was very careful and polished. Here he was reckless / too wolfy to be wolf.

Can you give an example? Also how strong was your read since you made a U turn the next day?

[Kanna]

To be clear it would also be acceptable to have forgotten my post and that's why you asked. But what you're saying is that you've forgotten whether or not you actually saw it which is not believable in the slightest.

Well it's just what happened. Sometimes I post what I'm thinking without thinking too much about what's happening around me. You're nitpicking on things which don't mean anything to try and make me look bad.

Again, I think it would be perfectly acceptable if you just didn't see my post. But you're saying that you forgot even whether you had seen it or not. You either remember seeing it or you don't. You've been using this to evade actually answering until now.

I've not been avoiding it, I've answered almost every time you brought it up and I've been honest. If I'm not sure on something, I'm not sure. But yeah if we're talking technically here, then I must've missed it. This is a nitpick

[Kanna]

I don't see the need to mass-claim right now.

I think we can maybe solve the game today

I just really think it's compath, trust me guys

I just really think it's compath, trust me guys

Ok!

I think it's not Compath, trust me.

ok fine, I have a guilty on compath but no one ask about it for now. Compath, claim please

This is the primary line of posts that gave me the impression that your claim wasn't coming from a genuine town point of view. You "gave in" way too easily here. I just said I would trust your word but you immediately claimed in response to Luca without even hearing everyone else's opinions. The whole way you went about it was setup just so you could "reluctantly" claim you were a PR. A move you felt was necessary after Ico's lynch.

Also for this, I made a mistake with pushing for massclaim. Should've said I got a guilty straight away and I kind of realised that halfway through. But again, I've talked about this, I claimed because I got a guilty, what else was I supposed to do?

[Kanna]

-snip-

But these points span over the whole game which means you should’ve been TRing him the whole way through. You were SR’ing him though, then suddenly flipped to a hard TR and then back to a hard SR. What “new info” was presented then?

[Kanna]

btw Kanna your responses are really flippin good and I'm amazed that this is only your first real scum game. Despite the circumstances, I'm so happy to see such good play!

SUREEEEE, SUUUUREEEEEE

[Kanna]

I think we’re (mostly) done here and Ame is scum.

Also, remember the mechanics and the no kill which points to scum!doc Ame + why was Ame so widely townread, but never killed + ask yourself clidd, why are you here? Because you’ve been blindly following Ame this whole game.

[Kanna]

Also, also: now that I think about it, Ame pushing DDL/Hectic was because they were the only people who trusted me so she had to get rid of them. She’s been setting up this lylo.

[Kanna]

Well, regardless of what happens, GG guys.

[Kanna]

No? Ame's scum and you should really hammer her so we can win, but ball's in your court.

[Kanna]

@Ame's#1240: I wasn't aware of the ongoing game, but nice reasoning, nice. Still your other reasoning is all over the place. This was your plan:

So the doctor is confirmed scum. Which means Kanna and the rest of the PR claims are clear. We lynch the VTs, we kill the Batman

Then me for lylo.

[Kanna]

There's no way to explain mechanics the though.

[Kanna]

*uh switch "mechanics" and "the" around.

[Kanna]

Can you show some AtE, Kanna ?

?

[Kanna]

Well, regardless of what happens, GG guys.

That gave me the wrong impressions.

Why?

[Kanna]

Ok clidd, listen,

I know you've been townreading Ame for the whole game but look at the facts.

These are WIFOM arguments + the mechanical signs/stuff Ame can't explain all point to her.

[Kanna]

It also annoys me how cute Ame is but YOU GOTTA LOOK PAST THAT

[Kanna]

I guess you don't have to make your decision right here, right now, but please just remember this post thank you good night

It also annoys me how cute Ame is but YOU GOTTA LOOK PAST THAT

[Kanna]

Remember this clidd and how Ame tried to discredit me being genuine by going “you can’t rely on your emotional reads!!” but now that she’s switched her tactic and expects you to believe her? This screams double standard

-snip-

I’m telling you to you to ignore all of that. These arguments are still WIFOM and of course she’s gonna try and look as non-threatening to you as possible.

[Kanna]

It also kinda annoys me she’s playing dirty by referencing your ~trust in this game~ and your previous games etc, stuff she knows I can’t have a say in.

[Kanna]

I’ll bring back some more things since I guess we aren’t done after all, so wait for me please (it’ll be a while though).

[Kanna]

Prod received. Sorry, had a long couple of days; getting to things now.

[Kanna]

Bringing this back: Ame knew I would get no-gun on you + knows me getting a no-gun lets me know it's her because there's no way you can be scum.

Clidd doesn’t have a gun = scum!doc Ame

Clidd, I feel like you’ve missed some things?

Yesterday, Luca investigated you. Apparently, you were vanilla, and then Luca died. I then investigated you and you had no gun so you cant be mafia goon. Ame as scum doctor is the only solution

And it actually makes sense Luca died since he would have been able to investigate Ame and find out what she was vs me where I can’t.

VOTE: Ame

Ame is doing a super big misrep of mechanics right now; just hear me out

If clidd has a gun, it’s clidd. If he doesn’t, it’s ame. If I die, then it’s ???

Like I said, the reasoning behind this is because Luca investigated you yesterday and got *vanilla*. From his flip, we know he was legit. This means you can either be mafia goon or vt. I got an inno which means you are definitely vt. There’s no way for me to inno on scum!you because you cannot be a doctor/there is no loophole for you to be scum unless Luca lied. Ame is totally lying here.

Yet, she still says ~ "kanna is scummy because she voted quickly here"

[Kanna]

Hey Clidd, remember that time when I redirected the lynch to scum on D1? Or that time when Icoscum tried to go after low hanging fruit, me, for my RVS vote. Or that time when Kanna and Ico hardly interacted except for a random town read and some basic questioning.

Or that time when Kanna had you as more or less clear yesterday without even having investigated you. Or that time when she put on a show of claiming only to give in at the nearest opportunity. Or that time where she leaked knowing that she investigated town.

What are we doing here, man.

That was an optimal bus though. You *had* to get on there to look good the next day. True, I didn't look day 1 but that's because I didn't know Ico was scum. If I was scum, I totally would've gotten on when you did.

Also what does the parts in bold mean?

[Kanna]

Oh actually I answered the first part, Ame is acting ignorant there. The second point's also been addressed: I GOT A GUILTY. How did I put on a show, what does that mean, and why is that a point? It was wrong for me to push massclaim but anything else is ???

[Kanna]

Luca kill also points to Ame:

If Luca investigates her, he’ll get *doctor* + no alignment so a doctor fakeclaim would work really well too. I think after all the power roles got outed D2 and Luca pretended he was one shot, Ame changed her claim to VT because there were too many PRs.

She killed him after he gave another result because he would then be the only person to be able to catch her out on her lie.

[Kanna]

Also the DDL/Hectic flips because Ame needed more mislynches.

[Kanna]

Ame is blatantly lying here. Look at this, she KNEW you is vanilla

Oh wow it just hit me that Luca wasn't 1-shot. I didn't know where his Vanilla claim on Clidd was coming from. This definitely changes things!

Vanilla and an no gun = no way you can be scum. This is super straightforward and how she's painting as scummy for voting quickly is super bad faith

[Kanna]

She *knew* I would vote as soon as I came into the day anyway because she knew I was investigating clidd and I said this the day before

If clidd has a gun, it’s clidd. If he doesn’t, it’s ame. If I die, then it’s ???

I've also thought through that^many times. That's why I thought for sure I was dying. Wasn't expecting Ame to eat the guilty and versus me one on 1.

[Kanna]

Hey Clidd, remember that time when I redirected the lynch to scum on D1? Or that time when Icoscum tried to go after low hanging fruit, me, for my RVS vote. Or that time when Kanna and Ico hardly interacted except for a random town read and some basic questioning.

Or that time when Kanna had you as more or less clear yesterday without even having investigated you. Or that time when she put on a show of claiming only to give in at the nearest opportunity. Or that time where she leaked knowing that she investigated town.

What are we doing here, man.

That was an optimal bus though. You *had* to get on there to look good the next day. True, I didn't look day 1 but that's because I didn't know Ico was scum. If I was scum, I totally would've gotten on when you did.

Also what does the parts in bold mean?

No, I was being town read already. It would be silly to bus there. And your looking bad has nothing to do with not knowing Ico was scum. Clidd didn't know Ico was scum and that's what made him look townie, his townIgnorance. And the fact that you thought you would look bad coming into Day 2 indicates that you were aware of your association with Ico.

The bolded is refering to the fact that you knew Clidd was going to turn up with a no gun on D4, despite the fact that you had not yet investigated him. You had already planned mylo/lylo and to go for me, but you didn't anticipate we would no lynch. You were set to make your move yesterDay

before you had even investigated him.

You needed to keep your TR because you were town leader. But again, I feel like this is going into the territory of WIFOM/anything can be argued and Ame is freakin good at arguing.

Ngl, I don't even know what the second point means. I didn't slip because it's impossible for me to slip. Clidd can just look at that point himself.

[Kanna]

You were and are acting ignorant. Of course you had to wait for me to point it out first. And yes they are? Luca said he was vanilla, so the conclusion would be:
"clidd is either a vt or mafia goon." I investigated him, got a no gun, and that meant he was vanilla. You're spinning a weird narrative.

[Kanna]

WIFOM is a way to spin anything into the way to want it to look. E.g if you bussed, you can say "I would never bus!"

[Kanna]

Defaulting to WIFOM is a cop-out and excuse to ignore the evidence. It's essentially saying that there is no way to figure out anything in this game because everything could come down to "well maybe that's what they want us to think." Instead, you should use the clues around you to determine if it IS what they want you to think or not. My play suggests that the straightforward answer is correct here: If I were going for bussing points, I wouldn't have town read him and then bussed at the last second, rather I would make a show of it throughout the day for maximum credibility.

Why would you bus unless your partner was going down then? You said yourself you don't like playing scum/you would just go down with your partner etc. Here, you're proving my point that you can use WIFOM to look however you want.

[Kanna]

You were and are acting ignorant. Of course you had to wait for me to point it out first. And yes they are? Luca said he was vanilla, so the conclusion would be:
"clidd is either a vt or mafia goon." I investigated him, got a no gun, and that meant he was vanilla. You're spinning a weird narrative.

The narrative is this:

Basically I think I’m dying tonight so we should no lynch. I still lean ame though. Just think she’d be capable of doing all this as scum.

You had already begun setting up your strategy on D4 and started to set up the roots then. This is before you supposedly knew whether or not Clidd had a gun, yet you had already been leaking that you knew what the result would be by prematurely staking your read on me.

This wasn't your original point but...

Absolutely not. I was SR'ing you yesterday because of Hectic. Anyway, that doesn't even make sense as a scum move. Just why would I do that?

Heading off for tonight, not sure how active I'll be tomorrow (as usual). Hammer Ame please Clidd.

[Kanna]

It's true I was scumreading you because of POE, but your Hectic push contributed to the POE. Basically, you were just the most scummy to me yesterday.

[Kanna]

@clidd, as of right now, there's less than 24 hours. Come back and hammer Ame or we get no lynch and lose.

[Kanna]

W OW W O W WOWWWWW GG TOWN, YOU MADE THIS GAME HELL FOR ME

Ameeeeee, I'm so sorry (´• ‸ •`✿) <333

[Kanna]

Arguing against you was so.freaking. hard. Especially when I had so many incriminating things against me and had to make up BS on the spot

[Kanna]

I'm really glad I stuck with this though, because I honestly thought about conceding at least 5 separate times (because town was too good).

Thank you Datisi and the worst for your emojis of encouragement and everyone for a great game <333

[Kanna]

I'm paranoid of Kanna

(´• ‸ •`✿)

[Kanna]

I'm going to adjust my Your Turn to Die save to have the ending where I kill Kanna

Spoiler:

[Kanna]

I'm paranoid of Kanna

(´• ‸ •`✿)

does this look like scum to you?

This might be my second favourite post in this game.

trust me pops (´• ‸ •`✿)

[Kanna]

this pt is so freakin embarrassing omg i almost don't want to release it

/SCREAMS

[Kanna]

I'm going to adjust my Your Turn to Die save to have the ending where I kill Kanna

Spoiler:

how do you like chapter 3 part 1

aaaa I haven't had time to play it yet! No spoilers, will get back to you after I binge!