In post 445, SirCakez wrote:Their early scumminess and they haven't done anything to really change my mind
I feel like they are avoiding this game too
I think your vote was opportunistic given that this is suji’s general style/tone and given that I’m pnsure I said that early game idk why you’re viewing them as scummy as opposed to null
Unless I’m misunderstanding the initial read you had
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Post #1209 (isolation #202) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Postby Best Buds »
In post 1206, Menalque wrote:The fact I didn’t ask is bc you clearly wanted to be anon or you would have outed
I didn't give the slightest shit actually, I made it obvious to alyssa about 3 seconds after she replaced in
I would have revealed to you if I had actually planned to use meta with you at all, but I've never had the best track record in reading you so I wasn't really planning to be honest, didn't really see a point
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Post #1210 (isolation #203) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:03 pm
Postby Best Buds »
In post 1205, Menalque wrote:Lol so I guess you don’t have any experience with me then
So your argument is that when town agrees that someone is scum, they must be wrong, but when I say that's not wrong, you say "you don't have experience with me"
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Post #1238 (isolation #206) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:56 pm
Postby Best Buds »
Tbh, I’m still not sure why mena was hard SRing us. I think his original point was putting him in POE, but I still think (after looking at everything) it’s justified. Plus, other people have put him in POE too so it’s ???
Wrt my points, I don’t see how any of it was bad faith (it was me giving a theory), but he seemed to keep SRing us further.
Like, I like you Mena, but I feel like you’re just trying to pick a fight with us
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Post #1268 (isolation #207) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:50 am
Postby Best Buds »
In post 1240, Menalque wrote:in 1207 you've conveniently picked out everything from before I voted suji and literally nothing after I voted suji @doggo
Oh I'm sorry are we talking about "convenient" reads now? You were happy to say that I can be s/s with suji because my push to get ss to hammer was after it was already likely suji wluld go down. Well guess what??? All your push on suji that you think clears you is after you're the johnny come lately pushing the slot that alyssa, cakez, and ss all wanted dead, that no one other than you ever cased as town. So no, you don't get to argue me evaluating your early trajectory is "convenient" if you're going to ignore my interactions with suji's slot that frankly are much less likely to be ss precisely because they aren't obviously looking for towncred.
Guess this is another one of your "good faith" takes though right? Wow such town very wow
In post 1206, Menalque wrote:The fact I didn’t ask is bc you clearly wanted to be anon or you would have outed
I didn't give the slightest shit actually, I made it obvious to alyssa about 3 seconds after she replaced in
I would have revealed to you if I had actually planned to use meta with you at all, but I've never had the best track record in reading you so I wasn't really planning to be honest, didn't really see a point
only you have been lowkey using meta on me throughout
I felt like vote parking me in 438 with the comment that you wanted me to "do stuff" was a meta reference given that I'm generally known for being a more active hyperposty player and not being passive
and also the whole slaxx/mena pocketing each other thing has felt like it was off, and going back through your ISO I think I know why which is that you call out slaxx for being off-meta in 622 and 643 and yet your line has consistently been "I think one is pocketing the other". if you do know me then you know that I am normally pretty breezy and relaxed in RVS at least, so why "one of us pocketing the other" if it was specifically slaxx who was off-meta fypov?
Newsflash: I don't really know your play that well and never said I did. 438 has literally nothing to do with meta but I guess you just want anything to pertain to meta to justify you having a gross and douchey reason to act like a dick to me for being in a hydra.
Yeah I used meta for slaxx but slaxx never seemed to give much of a shit so *shrug*
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Post #1270 (isolation #209) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:55 am
Postby Best Buds »
anyway mena is talking about winrates and screaming every point I make is bad faith even when literally everyone agrees with the point except him so not much worth responding to from him at this point
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Post #1312 (isolation #214) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:47 am
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It would certainly be more convenient if mena flipped scum but I'm pretty sure we could at least have a final 3 conversation whereas there probably won't be one if mena is town
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Post #1319 (isolation #219) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:50 pm
Postby Best Buds »
In post 1310, SirCakez wrote:Buds you do realize if Mena flips town and you're alive in go Al three you're probably toast right?
Actually, related to this point, I made a similar argument to Mena in our hood at night (basically saying we should both be on SS so that either SS stays alive or one of us dies) and he was like, skeptical of the idea that I get roleblocked last night? Like, I don't get how he pretends he's not deathtunneled on me but also can't conceive of worlds where I'm town and the obvious roleblock choice last night. His interactions in our hood since Slaxx slot died have been not even slightly townie
In post 180, SirCakez wrote:However the rest of my read reasoning still applies.
What is that reasoning? You stated to see my posts before you voted and that they were "fluffy" and I voted for the consensus room (which I did not). Obviously, I approach my own posts from a point of bias, so could you point out what you find "fluffy" and what you mean by that?
Arguing against something and then requesting to participate in it is fairly "black and white."
Your posts were just not engaging the game outside of mechanics thus fluffy.
It's not black and white because there are more than one reason to get rooms. I said I disliked making rooms solely for gamesolving with other townreads, not for trying to work out reads on other people in the hoods.
In post 914, iDanyboy wrote:I didn't like SirCakes vote on Suji early on calling it fluffy because most of the post's were fluffy that early on even and he says that he hasn't got much of a read on slaxx but he was posting a lot more fluff than Siju and his a null? Then he has a strong scum read which has no basis.
He also keeps saying the inactivity is AI for every time someone isn't posting but he says that Slaxx has a good reason for being inactive but then when there's a push on him he jumps straight on, he also has been holding on to the same push for the whole day.
There's so much misrep here.
Categorizing the whole early game as fluff and then saying my vote on Suji for fluff was not valid is ridiculous.
And Suji has been consistently scummy the whole game so of course my read there would remain strong scum. I don't feel the need to reexplain my scumreads especially when they are not doing anything townie. I don't even understand what you're getting at.
That post you're quoting of me excusing Slaxx's inactivity was a long time ago and before this wagon formed so it's way out of context.
I looked through cakez posts wrt to suji again and I'm definitely reminded of why I thought of him as town. There's a lot of unapologetic pushing which I townread just because I don't think scum is that keen to become solo scum. Even on Suji's side it doesn't look SvS
In post 212, SirCakez wrote:Your posts were just not engaging the game outside of mechanics thus fluffy.
In my opinion, it was the best method of starting to engage with the game as it was something substantive to discuss. I do not find that "fluffy" any moreso than posts such as post 28.
In post 212, SirCakez wrote:It's not black and white because there are more than one reason to get rooms. I said I disliked making rooms solely for gamesolving with other townreads, not for trying to work out reads on other people in the hoods.
You also stated concern that Mafia would be able to "pocket" players in a Room (91, 98) which is more than saying that you disliked Rooms "solely for gamesolving with other townreads."
Your rationale for your read on me appears to be you trying to make something fit what you would like it to be as you were inaccurate that I voted for a Room yet did not re-evaluate and simply said the rest of your reasoning stands whilst the rest of your reasoning is also inaccurate. Your stance on the Room itself is contradictory, and you fail to admit this as well.
In post 435, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I think it's far more productive to look for sorting him for good in later day phases, the fact we are syncing is enough for me d1.
I'll explain Suji later.
Okay I can wait
I don’t really see anything from suji that is out of his general meta and so I’m not really interested in voting there
In post 445, SirCakez wrote:Their early scumminess and they haven't done anything to really change my mind
I feel like they are avoiding this game too
I think your vote was opportunistic given that this is suji’s general style/tone and given that I’m pnsure I said that early game idk why you’re viewing them as scummy as opposed to null
Unless I’m misunderstanding the initial read you had
In post 474, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:like he spent so much time focusing on the neighborhoods and the finer details of them, and he hasn't really moved off the topic until halfway through his ISO... which is a read off that same track. This strikes me as arguing for the sake of arguing without creating any actual content that can be analyzed later on.
Then, at some point, he backs off and starts playing really passively; like, saying he has reads and having stiff responses when asked about them. I'd have to double check when exactly this shift happened, but I suspect that the time I replaced in is roughly in a similar enough timeframe that the outright shift in the gamestate at that point makes it harder to believe he would get more passive over time rather than finding ways to engage into the game directly.
This is suji, yes?
I just glanced at his iso and I don’t think I’m seeing what you are
Is there boring/irrelevant mechanics talk in the early game? Yeah, but i think it was in response to what was happening on the game, or him trying to read based on it — like re:cakez. I don’t think it’s a particularly good reason to scumresd cakez, but I think suji is still at a point where “hypocrisy = scummy” is part of his mindset and I think it shows in him trying to catch people out
As for the passive bit I feel like that’s an overall shift with nearly everyone in the game
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Post #1431 (isolation #229) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:28 pm
Postby Best Buds »
Wrt to the bussing thing, I guess, but I just don't think that's the most likely thing to happen. Or at least more likely than those Mena interactions being SvS. Sometimes the simplest answer is just the correct one?
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Post #1432 (isolation #230) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:29 pm
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There's also some nuancy stuff cakez said which makes me think he is town in a similar way to LL. No one believed me there so... ??? call it a feeling or whatever, I think it's more likely Alisae
In post 515, Kanna wrote:@DDL; according to you, what's the difference between ico vs clidd and luca vs slaxx? Also why is compath a TR when he pushed clidd in a similar way to Ico?
In post 653, Kanna wrote:I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore
These were her subtle attempts to save Icon.
Those mena posts i keep bringing up has exactly the same vibe imo, and I'd be upset if he was actually scum and i let this slide. I've definitely been thinking, but my mind always goes back to this
P.S; my internet keeps cutting out recently so i'm demotivated. I can't navigate that post rn Alisae, I'll come back later :c
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Post #1440 (isolation #233) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:27 pm
Postby Best Buds »
Wrt to Mena, is your point that he voted/pushed suji there? I do get that, but I feel like he tried to save suji first (or if we're drawing parallels, *that* was similar to what I did), but when it didn't work, he pushed suji. So yes, not exactly the same, because what I did was a m a s s i v e mistake, but there's similar elements and i think what he did makes sense as scum/a scum reaction.
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Post #1542 (isolation #245) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am
Postby Best Buds »
Actually that might not have been a good idea since people would’ve suspicious at how sure I was + unnecessary since Alyssa/S_S was willing to vote anyway. This is better
I was gonna go into how scum!cakez doesn’t enter the game hardbussing a partner he’s never played with before + it didn’t make sense why you townlocked Alyssa if you thought hardbussing was what was going on here (she would’ve been more likely to do it tbh) + I think you were pushing cakez because he was an easy push.
There was very very little chance you could have convinced me to never vote you so if you took us to lylo, you’d have to convince the other person to vote us
P.S; doggo’s reads have been super good this game! iirc, he pinned one of mena/slaxx as scum very early on and thought both mena/suji was scummy d1
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Post #1547 (isolation #246) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:03 pm
Postby Best Buds »
In post 1545, Menalque wrote:The pacing didn’t suit me at all and I made a couple bad choices
I feel like this is the time to fake re-evaluation in game. It's hard to do as scum I know but if you felt like the push on me created an unwinnable gamestate, it would be much better to tweak your reads since this very much seemed like the reason you were replacing out as scum even if we couldn't make that argument
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Post #1554 (isolation #247) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:50 pm
Postby Best Buds »
Well played, Mena; I liked your plan! I think going for us was the right choice since I was actually paranoid someone was going to push us D2. I was even telling doggo sorry we looked bad.
