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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

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Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

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Post Post #9 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am

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Post Post #10 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:16 am

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Lucky number 7

VOTE: Klick
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Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:44 am

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The lack of RVS votes is interesting.
Farkran's question towards me is also interesting.
This game is not playing out at all how I thought it would. :lol:
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Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:58 am

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Like a normal game
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Post Post #31 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:00 am

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Not a normal game as in Normal queue. Normal as in how other games are played.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:09 am

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In post 34, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 31, gobbledygook wrote:Not a normal game as in Normal queue. Normal as in how other games are played.
What about the first page of this game was not typical?

pedit: Wonerwelllll o.o

sure I am! & u ?
The lack of RVS votes from players. Was your vote RVS?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:46 am

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In post 46, Frozen Angel wrote:Lets assume it was RVS and then let's assume it wasn't

1 - what does each scenario mean? are you scared of something?
2 - why would you ask that question?

pedit: oh my god! my favorite!!!!! (don't worry alisae you're also in same S++ tier xd)

SHIROOOOOOOOOOOOO
1. Why would I be scared of something? This is a game. :lol:
1a. RVS: Not alignment indicative.
1b. Not RVS: Potentially alignment indicative.

2. I want to understand your vote. What is wrong with that question?

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. One of them is that RVS is actually important in this type of setup.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 am

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In post 74, Chemist1422 wrote:gobble, if RVS isn't AI, why did you need to point out it not happening?
I think strategically it is more beneficial to do RVS because it helps hide information that certain roles start with.
There's a scum specific voting strategy that helps them find Merlin, but I will talk about that post game.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:01 am

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In post 68, Frozen Angel wrote:Let's assume it wasn't RVS

analyze my vote.
potentially town indicative if I think the logic used is valid
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Post Post #83 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 am

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In this game I don’t think it’s alignment indicative because no one did it except for me
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Post Post #87 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:06 am

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In post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin
This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is important
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Post Post #88 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:07 am

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If everyone RVS it helps hide Merlin. If no one does, it gives scum more information
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Post Post #91 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:11 am

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In post 90, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 87, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin
This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is important
In post 88, gobbledygook wrote:If everyone RVS it helps hide Merlin. If no one does, it gives scum more information
yes right

why would you ask if a vote is RVS or not then? to show scum more information about the little ones which were made?
Hmm. I don’t want to answer this fully but the question towards you took into account more than just your post. There’s a lot of theory I want to go in with regards to this
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Post Post #96 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 am

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In post 94, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 89, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 86, Kerset wrote:but to be honest you are nitpicking turkey over here
I like to play chess.
what opening
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Post Post #100 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:25 am

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Did I respond to that post Klick?
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Post Post #106 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:30 am

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How was my follow up meh then, Klick?
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Post Post #107 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:30 am

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Or were you saying something else I did was meh?
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Post Post #111 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:40 am

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The post itself was never intended to achieve anything in and of itself, if that makes sense
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Post Post #118 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 am

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I appreciate you Chemist. :)
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Post Post #149 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:23 am

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In post 146, DkKoba wrote:Anyways, I find the lack of response to my vote disturbing from gobbley, I would implore them to speak up and say more here.
What do you mean by this?
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Post Post #151 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:34 am

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What’s your justification for me being scum? That I wasn’t around to react to you...?
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Post Post #153 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:38 am

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What the cluck is this game
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Post Post #168 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:10 pm

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This setup really messes up how I scumhunt
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Post Post #169 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:11 pm

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Frozen Angel, what is the difference between asking if a vote is RVS and asking the reasons why someone scumreads someone else?
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Post Post #172 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:50 pm

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In post 167, Klick wrote:VOTE: Shiro
Seems like a better wagon than Wonderwell atm
How come?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:27 am

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In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn
Why?
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Post Post #213 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:30 am

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How would you all think scum approach this setup?
I think a baseline strategy of not voting any scum ever is beneficial for them because it requires full consensus from town to lynch any of them. I’m only saying this now because there’s been enough vote and opinions around that I think the scum have precluded themselves from strategy.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:32 am

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In post 212, Klick wrote:Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?
I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:54 am

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What gave you the impression that my RVS vote was still an RVS vote?
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Post Post #223 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:02 am

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so I haven’t mentioned Klick in ages, but I’ve questioned their read on Shiro...
directly answered klick’s question on this page, but I’ve not mentioned Klick in ages...

You sure you’re not tunneling, FA?
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Post Post #224 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:03 am

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In post 222, Frozen Angel wrote:Also still waiting for your read on shiro you claimed you're waiting for my response before you answer that question so where is it?
I gave my read on Shiro. You literally just said I scumread her. The part I waited on was the question about others.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:39 am

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My Shiro-fa suspicions continue to strengthen
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Post Post #314 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 am

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I’m counting votes to make sure what you said is correct
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Post Post #315 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 am

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Yup. FA’s earlier hesitation about Shiro after scumreading her is totally a buddy not wanting to bus
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Post Post #318 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:45 am

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Shiro claim
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Post Post #319 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:45 am

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In post 316, Wonderwell wrote:
In post 315, gobbledygook wrote:Yup. FA’s earlier hesitation about Shiro after scumreading her is totally a buddy not wanting to bus
okay vote it with us
She’s L-1
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Post Post #327 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:59 am

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In post 320, Frozen Angel wrote:Shiro is scum.

Gobba his buddy who is trying to make an association to set up my mislynch when shiro flips red

literally couldn't be more outright scum claiming
The more times you keep repeating that I am scum does not make it true. I know I was probably the only player you never played with before this game, but I assure you I am not just a stupid turkey that will go down easily. :lol: You picked the wrong person to fake a read on.

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In post 212, Klick wrote:Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?
I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.
I alluded to this earlier, but I thought there was a decent association between Shiro and FA. This is why I asked FA to explain her "conflicted" feelings about Shiro.
In post 210, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn
Why?
I asked this because I thought FA's earlier post about Shiro could be fence sitting and FA only reinforced it with her answer.
In post 200, Frozen Angel wrote:I actually like Shiro response there
In post 216, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 210, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn
Why?
cause the wagon appeared after my push on you for a real reason and Shiro is practically lurking

I like Shiro's response in the sense that when there is no argument made you can't expect the other person to respond.

I don't like shiro rn cause he is on giving us no data mode which from my experience I saw coming from scum Shiro before too

so conflicted feelings about the whole thing
These are classic fencesitting posts on a buddy. FA is giving enough reasons to go either way on Shiro, depending on what the future calls for.

Klick, this is the main person that I was looking at with the Shiro wagon. I felt like a townie would respond differently to the wagon on her, but Shiro mostly ignored it and then didn't try to offer any analysis with the thought of her death looming.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:02 am

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In post 324, Wonderwell wrote:Gobble how do you feel about Chemist?
What you pointed out mirrors what I felt about the situation. It also looks like Chemist wanted to fence sit on Shiro too.
I also did not like Klick trying to frame the ordering of your list as scum. I didn't see the point of how that ordering made you scum or that it was a slip.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 330, Frozen Angel wrote:He doesn't progress the game. if you look at whatever he did since start and compare them with the stuff I highlighted you can see how "deep" is my scum hunting actually

Surface level read and something that is based on preknowledge is him accusing me to be shiro ally when shiro is getting lynched just to use shiros TMI and repeated mention of me and he added a baseless accusation that I hesitated to vote shiro to make an association link between me and him to be able to push me in next day.

That I cant see come from town at all.
You literally lied about making a case on me. You framed it as taking notes for yourself (it is the 21st century you do not need to take notes in thread), but when you posted your "notes" *cough* case *cough* was when the Shiro wagon took off. This was most likely you trying to get people to move to me and off Shiro.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:11 am

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In post 334, Kerset wrote:What would be the point in claiming in this setup?
Saves a mislynch? Only persivul should claim though. If Merlin gets run up we probably just lose.
Persivul is a lynch we don't have to make though so they should claim.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 am

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In post 336, Frozen Angel wrote:My notes happened way later than when the shiro wagon took off. I first talked about shiro wagon itself then made those notes.

You said I hesitated in voting shiro when I myself suggested shiro to wonder

Why did you accuse me of such thing if you're not scum knowing what shiro will flip who is trying to set up a mislynch afterward?
Erm, nice try. This was the vote count when you made your "notes" *cough* case *cough* post.
In post 175, RadiantCowbells wrote:Votecount 1.08

Shiro (3): Klick, DkKoba, Chemist1422
Klick (2): gobbledygook, Wonderwell
gobbledygook (1): Frozen Angel
Chemist1422 (1): Kerset
Kerset (0):
Wonderwell (0):
DkKoba (0):
Frozen Angel (0):

Not Voting: Shiro

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

It's nightless so I can't exactly impose a deadline but eventually i'll get creative.
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I think I might be tunneling turkey too soon but he is bothering me in my head so much rn

Turkey has real scum reads but is still RVS voting
Turkey is trying to busy work by mentioning set up again and again at least it feels like that right now - needs to ask about his meta from others
Turkey is not giving out fresh reads - his all reads are kinda conditional to others explanations or are made after others make a read or push a wagon - This is interesting - distancing and safe zoning

I need to step back for a little and come back to his behavior analysis later.


Don't mind me. not scum reading you for above just making some notes for myself
As you can see, your "notes" *cough* case *cough* post is only a page an half after the VC. I'm not sure why you think I would lie about obviously verifiable information like this, especially when I am right?

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I am called out something that I thought was fencesitting. You will notice that I am not sure of Shiro's alignment. If I was I would have just hammered and made sure to have been on the wagon for the bus credit. I didn't want to kill Persivul as that was the only way I could see Shiro acting the way she did as town, knowing that she had a way to instantly end her lynch by claiming one of the two named townie roles.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:21 am

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In post 340, Frozen Angel wrote:At that point I was happily voting you and when next day starts I'll keep on doing that again. How is that distancing from shiro?
So everyone who was not voting shiro at that point was distancing from him?
Oh, you're a tricky one aren't you.

I did not say that you were distancing because you were not voting her.
I said you were distancing Shiro because you espoused a support of the scumread on Shiro as the wagon built up, then when it stalled and Shiro "responded" you said that you had mixed feelings about the Shiro wagon. You were very public about the consternation you had with Shiro. That is fencesitting. When you are trying to keep your options open with regards to something. You had one fit on the Shiro wagon and one foot off the Shiro wagon.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:23 am

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In post 341, Frozen Angel wrote:You litteraly made a case about me when in reality everything about it just applies to one slot in this game and that is you who were distancing shiro and your misrep about my vote/read on shiro is scum trying to force assosciation when I was the one who suggested shiro as alternative to wonder when he was asking me to unvote you and move on from you
How was I distancing from Shiro? And if I was distancing from buddy!Shiro, wouldn't I want to make sure I was on the wagon when she flipped?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am

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In post 344, Frozen Angel wrote:1.You keep going on with this case building of yours when shiro is not even flipped yet lol

2. I'm sorry that I kept my options open enough to vote your scum buddy over you lol.
3.You were still voting your rvs vote without asking a single relevant question from them or trying to solve them or anyone when you were also apparently scum reading shiro after they got wagoned.
1. You think it is ridiculous that I pointing out connections between a not yet flipped player and you.
2. You then point out connections between a not yet flipped player and me. Moreover, you don't even bat an eye about her being scum in this sentence, but in the first sentence you seem to imply you don't know. Hmm. :shifty: What narrative are you trying to stick on me
3. I already pointed out how you were wrong about this as I did engage with Klick multiple times the first time you tried to frame what I did as not engaging with Klick.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:44 am

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In post 345, Frozen Angel wrote:You tried to sort an association to push for my mislynch when he flips red lol

It just backfired and will backfire.

You'll see
So let's take this one step at a time...

Your premises:
1. Gobbledygook is scum
2. Shiro is scum
3. Gobbledygook and Shiro are scum together
4. Gobbledygook wants to distance from Shiro on her flip.

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That would mean if I wanted to distance from Shiro I would want to call her scum as much as I can or at the very least be on her wagon.
Did I do either of those things?
No. I thought she was scum given her reaction, but I thought she could also be town Persivul and acted the way she did when wagoned because she knew she could deflate the wagon by claiming. That was why I wanted her to claim.

Now, let's also unpack this "association" I built between you and Shiro. Note: I did not build any associations between you two. I physically cannot do that. You made your posts about Shiro, not me.

The same answer above applies here. Wouldn't I want Shiro dead as soon as possible to just tie you to her? Why would I do what I did if I was scum?

ALSO, why would I be trying to associate you and Shiro when Shiro was at L-2 and then several players talked about wanting to kill other players? It was a very real possibility Shiro did not get lynched at the time I made my post.
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Post Post #356 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:23 am

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In post 347, Frozen Angel wrote:1. I find it ridiculous that you scumread shiro and you were voting Klick without ever trying to sort anyone out in the entire day and people think you're town
2. you lied about me, my read on shiro and how I suggested to lynch them myself when according to you their wagon was slowing down.
3. You made an association read with me and shiro when shiro became L1 knowing shiro is about to die and knowing what he will flip.
4. You didn't engage with Klick at all to sort him you claimed your vote on him is not rvs but you voted him in rvs phase and there was no mention of him in entire day. I will keep repeating it cause its non existing. You saw shiro getting wagoned so to keep your option open you claimed a scum read on shiro but you didn't vote them.

Exactly what you're accusing me off. and that by itself is not scummy as a lot of others were like that too scum reading shiro but having a better/other vote at that moment. Yet you decided to announce that is scummy about me right when shiro became L1.
1. That is just false. I have pointed out where I was sorting Klick. It should also be obvious that I was attempting to sort you based off my question about your "unease" on the Shiro wagon.
2. I did not lie about you. I pointed out my opinions which are supported by what actually happened in the thread. You fence sat on Shiro and the first chance that her wagon picked up steam again you voted her.
3. Earlier you said I made an association between you and Shiro before Shiro got to L-1. So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
4. I did engage with Klick. When I asked him what he meant by meh and also when I answered his question about Shiro. Just because my vote is on someone doesn't mean I have to devote 100% of my attention to them.

VOTE: Frozen Angel
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Post Post #361 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:32 am

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In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:All Klick related posts in game he claimed his vote was not rvs
So did I engage with Klick or not engage with Klick? You pretty clearly quoted engagements with Klick.
In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:His only announced read in this game day till that point ^

it's pretty obvious he wants to keep shiro as an option for shipping and yet keep his distance.
This setup in particular it is not scummy to keep reads close. YOU yourself even pointed this out earlier in the game when you lashed out at me for asking about your vote on me. You are a walking contradiction.
In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:"Hesitation after scum reading"

I was voting my stronger scum read which was him till that point and then I myself suggested shiros death. He on other hand Knows what is shiro is going to flip and tried to make an association link up there.
Yes. You fence sat on Shiro. You only voted her again when it became clear she was going to die.
No I didn't know what Shiro was going to flip and you labeling what I did as "theater" is a way to discredit and misrepresent what I actually did.
You're just quoting my iso and not actually making any points about any of it. You're just adding buzzwords and misreps.
In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:so he could make that last page post about how he cares about us not accidentally lynch percival

Basically his move back then checking if its l1 or not was a duplicate of what I did seconds before him making that association read - back then I wanted to see shiors reaction to that wagon and I wanted to see how others react to it and I thought maybe we don't want instant lynch when we have so many days left

But yeah this turkey must be baked.
I think it is pretty clear I was nervous about lolhammering Persivul, even Wonderwell noticed this as a possibility when they said "if you are worried about her being Pers, don't be". You are literally ignoring what is a very real thought because it does not fit your narrative.

My move was NOT a duplicate of what you did. You literally said you thought Shiro's response could be town or scum which is the quintessential fence sitting commentary on a buddy. Do not try to paint what I did as anything even remotely similar to your fence sitting.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:39 am

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In post 359, Frozen Angel wrote:You were the one who sat on fence about shiro lol Not me.

literally till the moment he died. and when he was dieing you tried to use his death to do the vote you did today.
How can I be fence sitting on Shiro when you yourself knew I scumread Shiro and even admit as much in this post
In post 340, Frozen Angel wrote:At that point I was happily voting you and when next day starts I'll keep on doing that again. How is that distancing from shiro? So everyone who was not voting shiro at that point was distancing from him?

I made a post and said my opinion about shiro wagon around the same time. YOU Were the one who claimed
you scum read shiro
with certainty who was still voting Klick from page 1 without even mentioning him

I questioned YOU there pushing you cause you were not voting shiro who you were claiming to scum read.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 am

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In post 303, Frozen Angel wrote:Its too early to decide a lynch
In post 305, Frozen Angel wrote:Klick is someone I might vote tbh over gobble at the moment
Literally just attempting to get away from the Shiro wagon with all these comments
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Post Post #369 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:50 am

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I could have sworn Shiro had a she pronoun
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Post Post #371 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:59 am

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I literally cannot respond with all this lag but I find it funny that you said you would be back later when that was obviously a lie and you walled me
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Post Post #373 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:06 pm

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How am I supposed to know any of those facts about you when all I have to go off is you said you would be right back and then looked like you were active lurking and responded to me anyway

I will not address you until the morning so you can sleep the migraine off hopefully
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Post Post #377 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:19 pm

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VOTE: Chemist
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Post Post #385 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:10 pm

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Ali have you played this setup before?
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Post Post #418 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:37 am

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VOTE: FA

I am not believing this counter claim from FA when Wonderwell already claimed Persivul. But then again it is the only thing that scum can claim this game.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:37 am

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In post 415, Frozen Angel wrote:Please lynch Gob tomorrow
I am not scum, I have dismantled your case a thousand times. Repeating the conclusion doesn’t make it true.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:44 am

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I thought people could post after getting hammered
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Post Post #441 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am

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Why would she lie?
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Post Post #443 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:27 am

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She lied about being Persivul
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Post Post #446 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:32 am

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In post 445, Chemist1422 wrote:Role doesn’t flip, just alignment
Oh I didn’t realize that
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Post Post #447 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:32 am

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VOTE: Klick
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Post Post #450 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:46 am

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In post 448, Klick wrote:It wouldn't make any sense for that to change your interpretation of the events if you were town
She claimed essentially a guilty on you - she would have to have been lying (as town) if you're town
I’m confused. It didn’t change my interpretation of the events. I was confused why she lied. Why are you saying it did change my interpretation? As Persivul she didn’t and couldn’t claim a guilty on me. She also couldn’t claim a guilty on me because I’m town
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Post Post #453 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:57 am

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They are not related

I voted you Because of FA’s post about the scum being in Klick and DK and you had a wsgon
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Post Post #460 (isolation #66) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:25 am

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In post 456, Klick wrote:Gobs isn't flipping town

His reasoning makes no sense. He's voting me because FA said scum was in me and Dk. But FA's #1 confirmed scum read was gobs.
I don’t want to explain any further for the risk of ruining what I think happened with FA
But I’m fine going down to sack you once you flip scum it just means DK is scum
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Post Post #461 (isolation #67) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:26 am

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In post 458, DkKoba wrote:ok why did we lynch frozen?
She counterclaimed Persivul from WW and also had a terrible case on me but I think that was a part of an overall scheme
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Post Post #470 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 am

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In post 468, Wonderwell wrote:1) we never claimed persival, we said shiro wasn't percival and FA was hardly persival
2) klick is town
3) kerset is town

That's all for now

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How did you know Shiro wasn’t Persivul then?
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Post Post #476 (isolation #69) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:19 am

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In post 473, Wonderwell wrote:
In post 471, Wonderwell wrote:VOTE: Chemist
I think this is what we want after discussing what we think
This is the correct play to make today.

FA claiming Percival made this game harder by several orders to magnitude. The good news is that Chemist is morgana, it makes no sense for chemist to be anything else than morgana, and a chemist flip will allow us to gamesolve immediately.

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I am going to hate myself if Chemist is Morgana. But I think either way this means Klick is scum
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Post Post #479 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:46 am

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What is lazy about it
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Post Post #480 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:46 am

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If chemist is Morgana he has to be voting his scum partner otherwise he dies tomorrow
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Post Post #482 (isolation #72) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:52 am

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I don’t really believe FA anymore that she is Persivul. I know I’m not morgana so her voting pattern would be that she never voted morgana unless Shiro is morgana which is entirely possible I guess
Hmm

This game is so hard with this many claims
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Post Post #483 (isolation #73) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 am

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would Shiro play that way as morgana @people who are familiar with him
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Post Post #487 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:59 am

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In post 484, Wonderwell wrote:FA was not persival

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Chemists self defense using FA’s claim is not good

VOTE: Chemist
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Post Post #489 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:02 am

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How is you quoting that fa said you are not morgana not a defense to WW’s claim that you are Morgana?
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Post Post #497 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:19 am

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In post 493, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 491, Wonderwell wrote:SUFFER!
I can do that without your help ty
*hug*
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Post Post #509 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:47 am

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Yghhjjj I feel like
Ughhhh

I feel like I know what is happening but if I clarify it we are doomed
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Post Post #511 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:02 am

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Half of your posts make sense and then the other half don’t make sense
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Post Post #513 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:58 am

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And she also apparently lied, so, why do we trust FA?
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Post Post #519 (isolation #80) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:09 am

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In post 516, Klick wrote:gobble: 'Why do we trust FA'
also gobble: 'Klick is scum because FA said so'
Which is why I’m voting you right now, right?

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Post Post #528 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:58 am

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How many crap pushes on me do I have to bat away
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Post Post #534 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:03 pm

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That was rude.
Please lynch Chemist and Klick tomorrow!
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Post Post #549 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 pm

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In post 545, DkKoba wrote:alright
our shot is between wonderwell, FA, and klick. everyone else is irrelevant.
In post 546, DkKoba wrote:IMO its wonderwell
In post 548, Shiro wrote:It's klick or chemist imo
Why?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:30 pm

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I think it’s FA and Wonderwell was Persivul and thought she was Morgana. My second option is Klick because of how he reacted to me early game.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:56 am

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Is FA that good of a scum hunter?
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Post Post #557 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:57 am

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I literally have no idea how to play this setup so I’ll defer to you two
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Post Post #558 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:57 am

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What made you think FA Persivul?
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Post Post #560 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:25 am

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Alrighty. I trust your judgment!

VOTE: klick
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Post Post #562 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:02 am

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UNVOTE:
You know there could be something to be said about it being WW.
Ali called my scum game hot garbage and id like to think Ali would catch me here seeing as how two other people did, but maybe Ali’s town game is really just garbage
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Post Post #565 (isolation #90) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:23 am

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In post 563, DkKoba wrote:I had a theory that FA is merlin and they sacced themselves in order to make themselves confirmed town to Wonderwell who would be Percival in this instance.
Tbh it looked like to me too
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Post Post #567 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:54 am

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Yeah like maybe FA is good... but that looks suspiciously like Merlin knowledge
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Post Post #568 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:57 am

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But that would be level 1 Merlin play
I think whoever said it was right thah this game would be trying to be under the surface
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Post Post #574 (isolation #93) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:38 am

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I don’t know anything! Whoever you two decide I’ll go with. I think things could be said about Klick or FA and WW. Once you two come to a consensus, I’ll vote accordingly
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Post Post #577 (isolation #94) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 pm

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Why don't you think it is Klick?
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Post Post #579 (isolation #95) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:57 pm

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In post 407, Frozen Angel wrote:
Morgana is not forced to do anything beside trying to fool Percival. Sometimes it's achieved by bussing their partner.
Sometimes it's achieved by running a show at end of day phase to show they are ready to lynch their partner but to not actually lynch their partner when they are at L1 so it seems they care about their claim.


I repeat this and please listen Morgana doesn't know merlin. Merlin knows Morgana and the other two mafias. Percival knows merlin and Morgana players and doesn't know which is which and must try to find the person who knows the other in that pair.
like this post I think is important to analyze because I was not Morgana but FA made it seem as if I was Morgana. She would know that I am not morgana if she WAS Persivul
In post 413, Frozen Angel wrote:From what I read from merlin on the day 1 I think the last scum is between Klick and DkKoba.
I think this is also important because Id on't really remember anyone making these types of allusions?
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Post Post #582 (isolation #96) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:12 pm

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VOTE: Frozen Angel
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Post Post #586 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:05 am

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Excite! Was fun playing with you all!
I do think fa is probably that good but the quoted posts made me think she’s Merlin and ww accidentally killed her
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Post Post #594 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:32 am

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In post 592, Frozen Angel wrote:You on the other hand - you played well. I used your name cause I thought cause of your voting style I can fool scum you are merlin.
It almost worked! I hope you don't let this one game turn you off the site :( It was only a handful of players. I also apologize for smearing you about sticking around. I did not know that you had that phobia and I try my best not to bring in real world influences into the game.

Good game, town. Interesting set up and very repeatable.
RC, my only comment for you is if you could have the setup info post somewhere in your mod posts. I almost outted that Shiro was not Morgana because I did not realize the game only flipped alignments. :facepalm:

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How did you know the Persivul pair was you and DK specifically?
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Post Post #604 (isolation #99) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:40 am

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Oh, I can talk about strategies!

I think Merlin should always push a mislynch on Day 1 to obfuscate they are Merlin.
I think scum should probably never vote anyone other than town.
I think Persivul should only lynch players who their pair align on so like Morgana player says X Y M and Merlin says X Y Z means the Persivul should hard push X Y.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #100) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:43 am

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In post 605, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think Merlin should fight to get a scum lynch D1 so that there's a lot more time to mislynch in the future.
Really? I think that is more risky oddly enough. I think with a Day 1 mislynch Persivul has better odds of figuring out who Morgana is
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Post Post #610 (isolation #101) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:45 am

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I will say FA is how I thought Morgana should have been played. All out, guns-a-blazin' scum murderizer
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Post Post #617 (isolation #102) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:50 am

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In post 614, Frozen Angel wrote:and goble I'm really not gonna come back to MS to play more games at least not with some huge breaks in between games. I might mod some here and there again but yeah This is just too much pressure.

I'm still waiting for a public apology from people who even considered I'm capable of game throwing "by claiming my own reads are mod information" in the day 3.
Ok, well I look forward to your games then. :)
Dota Mafia Reborn setup looks cool and I think that means you probably have interesting setups to run
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Post Post #620 (isolation #103) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:53 am

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In post 611, Alisae wrote:me and fark really wanted to rand morgana
Me too

I was happy to be any town role or Morgana. And I got the 25% chance of neither. :lol:
I like bussing, it just is so strategically not valuable anymore.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #104) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:03 am

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@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
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Post Post #636 (isolation #105) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 am

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In post 632, Alisae wrote:
In post 630, gobbledygook wrote:@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
we thought chemist was morgana
In post 633, Alisae wrote:we said that in thread
several times
I thought you guys were lying lol. Like I thought that was all theater :lol:
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Post Post #639 (isolation #106) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 637, Frozen Angel wrote:You all had goble cleared - I think cause of meta. I couldn't get it at all.
Yeah I felt I was pretty obvscum this game too, was so surprised I won the 1v1 against you
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Post Post #641 (isolation #107) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:12 am

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I like purposefully pick and choose my games to maximize fun and minimize not fun (read: I avoid scum at all costs) so I actually have very little basis for how to properly play scum :lol:
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Post Post #644 (isolation #108) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:14 am

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those happen from time to time :shifty:

I'm not anticipating joining any games for the next month or so, but sure!

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