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The lack of RVS votes from players. Was your vote RVS?In post 34, Frozen Angel wrote:
What about the first page of this game was not typical?In post 31, gobbledygook wrote:Not a normal game as in Normal queue. Normal as in how other games are played.
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1. Why would I be scared of something? This is a game.In post 46, Frozen Angel wrote:Lets assume it was RVS and then let's assume it wasn't
1 - what does each scenario mean? are you scared of something?
2 - why would you ask that question?
pedit: oh my god! my favorite!!!!! (don't worry alisae you're also in same S++ tier xd)
SHIROOOOOOOOOOOOO
1a. RVS: Not alignment indicative.
1b. Not RVS: Potentially alignment indicative.
2. I want to understand your vote. What is wrong with that question?
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I have opinions about the setup that might seemotherworldly. One of them is that RVS is actually important in this type of setup.-
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I think strategically it is more beneficial to do RVS because it helps hide information that certain roles start with.In post 74, Chemist1422 wrote:gobble, if RVS isn't AI, why did you need to point out it not happening?
There's a scum specific voting strategy that helps them find Merlin, but I will talk about that post game.-
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potentially town indicative if I think the logic used is valid
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This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is importantIn post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin-
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Hmm. I don’t want to answer this fully but the question towards you took into account more than just your post. There’s a lot of theory I want to go in with regards to thisIn post 90, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 87, gobbledygook wrote:
This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is importantIn post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin
yes rightIn post 88, gobbledygook wrote:If everyone RVS it helps hide Merlin. If no one does, it gives scum more information
why would you ask if a vote is RVS or not then? to show scum more information about the little ones which were made?-
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The Immortal ZugzwangIn post 94, Chemist1422 wrote:
what openingIn post 89, Frozen Angel wrote:
I like to play chess.In post 86, Kerset wrote:but to be honest you are nitpicking turkey over here-
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What do you mean by this?In post 146, DkKoba wrote:Anyways, I find the lack of response to my vote disturbing from gobbley, I would implore them to speak up and say more here.-
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Why?In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn-
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How would you all think scum approach this setup?
I think a baseline strategy of not voting any scum ever is beneficial for them because it requires full consensus from town to lynch any of them. I’m only saying this now because there’s been enough vote and opinions around that I think the scum have precluded themselves from strategy.-
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I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.In post 212, Klick wrote:Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?-
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I gave my read on Shiro. You literally just said I scumread her. The part I waited on was the question about others.In post 222, Frozen Angel wrote:Also still waiting for your read on shiro you claimed you're waiting for my response before you answer that question so where is it?-
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She’s L-1In post 316, Wonderwell wrote:
okay vote it with usIn post 315, gobbledygook wrote:Yup. FA’s earlier hesitation about Shiro after scumreading her is totally a buddy not wanting to bus-
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The more times you keep repeating that I am scum does not make it true. I know I was probably the only player you never played with before this game, but I assure you I am not just a stupid turkey that will go down easily. You picked the wrong person to fake a read on.In post 320, Frozen Angel wrote:Shiro is scum.
Gobba his buddy who is trying to make an association to set up my mislynch when shiro flips red
literally couldn't be more outright scum claiming
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I alluded to this earlier, but I thought there was a decent association between Shiro and FA. This is why I asked FA to explain her "conflicted" feelings about Shiro.In post 214, gobbledygook wrote:
I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.In post 212, Klick wrote:Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?
I asked this because I thought FA's earlier post about Shiro could be fence sitting and FA only reinforced it with her answer.In post 210, gobbledygook wrote:
Why?In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn
In post 200, Frozen Angel wrote:I actually like Shiro response there
These are classic fencesitting posts on a buddy. FA is giving enough reasons to go either way on Shiro, depending on what the future calls for.In post 216, Frozen Angel wrote:
cause the wagon appeared after my push on you for a real reason and Shiro is practically lurkingIn post 210, gobbledygook wrote:
Why?In post 199, Frozen Angel wrote:hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn
I like Shiro's response in the sense that when there is no argument made you can't expect the other person to respond.
I don't like shiro rn cause he is on giving us no data mode which from my experience I saw coming from scum Shiro before too
so conflicted feelings about the whole thing
Klick, this is the main person that I was looking at with the Shiro wagon. I felt like a townie would respond differently to the wagon on her, but Shiro mostly ignored it and then didn't try to offer any analysis with the thought of her death looming.-
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What you pointed out mirrors what I felt about the situation. It also looks like Chemist wanted to fence sit on Shiro too.In post 324, Wonderwell wrote:Gobble how do you feel about Chemist?
I also did not like Klick trying to frame the ordering of your list as scum. I didn't see the point of how that ordering made you scum or that it was a slip.-
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You literally lied about making a case on me. You framed it as taking notes for yourself (it is the 21st century you do not need to take notes in thread), but when you posted your "notes" *cough* case *cough* was when the Shiro wagon took off. This was most likely you trying to get people to move to me and off Shiro.In post 330, Frozen Angel wrote:He doesn't progress the game. if you look at whatever he did since start and compare them with the stuff I highlighted you can see how "deep" is my scum hunting actually
Surface level read and something that is based on preknowledge is him accusing me to be shiro ally when shiro is getting lynched just to use shiros TMI and repeated mention of me and he added a baseless accusation that I hesitated to vote shiro to make an association link between me and him to be able to push me in next day.
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Saves a mislynch? Only persivul should claim though. If Merlin gets run up we probably just lose.In post 334, Kerset wrote:What would be the point in claiming in this setup?
Persivul is a lynch we don't have to make though so they should claim.-
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Erm, nice try. This was the vote count when you made your "notes" *cough* case *cough* post.In post 336, Frozen Angel wrote:My notes happened way later than when the shiro wagon took off. I first talked about shiro wagon itself then made those notes.
You said I hesitated in voting shiro when I myself suggested shiro to wonder
Why did you accuse me of such thing if you're not scum knowing what shiro will flip who is trying to set up a mislynch afterward?
In post 175, RadiantCowbells wrote:Votecount 1.08
Shiro (3): Klick, DkKoba, Chemist1422
Klick (2): gobbledygook, Wonderwell
gobbledygook (1): Frozen Angel
Chemist1422 (1): Kerset
Kerset (0):
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DkKoba (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Not Voting: Shiro
With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.
It's nightless so I can't exactly impose a deadline but eventually i'll get creative.
As you can see, your "notes" *cough* case *cough* post is only a page an half after the VC. I'm not sure why you think I would lie about obviously verifiable information like this, especially when I am right?In post 219, Frozen Angel wrote:Dear diary
I think I might be tunneling turkey too soon but he is bothering me in my head so much rn
Turkey has real scum reads but is still RVS voting
Turkey is trying to busy work by mentioning set up again and again at least it feels like that right now - needs to ask about his meta from others
Turkey is not giving out fresh reads - his all reads are kinda conditional to others explanations or are made after others make a read or push a wagon - This is interesting - distancing and safe zoning
I need to step back for a little and come back to his behavior analysis later.
Don't mind me. not scum reading you for above just making some notes for myself
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I am called out something that I thought was fencesitting. You will notice that I am not sure of Shiro's alignment. If I was I would have just hammered and made sure to have been on the wagon for the bus credit. I didn't want to kill Persivul as that was the only way I could see Shiro acting the way she did as town, knowing that she had a way to instantly end her lynch by claiming one of the two named townie roles.-
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Oh, you're a tricky one aren't you.In post 340, Frozen Angel wrote:At that point I was happily voting you and when next day starts I'll keep on doing that again. How is that distancing from shiro?So everyone who was not voting shiro at that point was distancing from him?
I did not say that you were distancing because you were not voting her.I said you were distancing Shiro because you espoused a support of the scumread on Shiro as the wagon built up, then when it stalled and Shiro "responded" you said that you had mixed feelings about the Shiro wagon. You were very public about the consternation you had with Shiro. That is fencesitting. When you are trying to keep your options open with regards to something. You had one fit on the Shiro wagon and one foot off the Shiro wagon.-
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How was I distancing from Shiro? And if I was distancing from buddy!Shiro, wouldn't I want to make sure I was on the wagon when she flipped?In post 341, Frozen Angel wrote:You litteraly made a case about me when in reality everything about it just applies to one slot in this game and that is you who were distancing shiro and your misrep about my vote/read on shiro is scum trying to force assosciation when I was the one who suggested shiro as alternative to wonder when he was asking me to unvote you and move on from you-
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1. You think it is ridiculous that I pointing out connections between a not yet flipped player and you.In post 344, Frozen Angel wrote:1.You keep going on with this case building of yours when shiro is not even flipped yet lol
2. I'm sorry that I kept my options open enough to vote your scum buddy over you lol.
3.You were still voting your rvs vote without asking a single relevant question from them or trying to solve them or anyone when you were also apparently scum reading shiro after they got wagoned.
2. You then point out connections between a not yet flipped player and me. Moreover, you don't even bat an eye about her being scum in this sentence, but in the first sentence you seem to imply you don't know. Hmm. What narrative are you trying to stick on me
3. I already pointed out how you were wrong about this as I did engage with Klick multiple times the first time you tried to frame what I did as not engaging with Klick.-
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So let's take this one step at a time...In post 345, Frozen Angel wrote:You tried to sort an association to push for my mislynch when he flips red lol
It just backfired and will backfire.
You'll see
Your premises:
1. Gobbledygook is scum
2. Shiro is scum
3. Gobbledygook and Shiro are scum together
4. Gobbledygook wants to distance from Shiro on her flip.
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That would mean if I wanted to distance from Shiro I would want to call her scum as much as I can or at the very least be on her wagon.
Did I do either of those things?
No. I thought she was scum given her reaction, but I thought she could also be town Persivul and acted the way she did when wagoned because she knew she could deflate the wagon by claiming. That was why I wanted her to claim.
Now, let's also unpack this "association" I built between you and Shiro. Note: I did not build any associations between you two. I physically cannot do that. You made your posts about Shiro, not me.
The same answer above applies here. Wouldn't I want Shiro dead as soon as possible to just tie you to her? Why would I do what I did if I was scum?
ALSO, why would I be trying to associate you and Shiro when Shiro was at L-2 and then several players talked about wanting to kill other players? It was a very real possibility Shiro did not get lynched at the time I made my post.-
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1. That is just false. I have pointed out where I was sorting Klick. It should also be obvious that I was attempting to sort you based off my question about your "unease" on the Shiro wagon.In post 347, Frozen Angel wrote:1. I find it ridiculous that you scumread shiro and you were voting Klick without ever trying to sort anyone out in the entire day and people think you're town
2. you lied about me, my read on shiro and how I suggested to lynch them myself when according to you their wagon was slowing down.
3. You made an association read with me and shiro when shiro became L1 knowing shiro is about to die and knowing what he will flip.
4. You didn't engage with Klick at all to sort him you claimed your vote on him is not rvs but you voted him in rvs phase and there was no mention of him in entire day. I will keep repeating it cause its non existing. You saw shiro getting wagoned so to keep your option open you claimed a scum read on shiro but you didn't vote them.
Exactly what you're accusing me off. and that by itself is not scummy as a lot of others were like that too scum reading shiro but having a better/other vote at that moment. Yet you decided to announce that is scummy about me right when shiro became L1.
2. I did not lie about you. I pointed out my opinions which are supported by what actually happened in the thread. You fence sat on Shiro and the first chance that her wagon picked up steam again you voted her.
3. Earlier you said I made an association between you and Shiro before Shiro got to L-1. So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
4. I did engage with Klick. When I asked him what he meant by meh and also when I answered his question about Shiro. Just because my vote is on someone doesn't mean I have to devote 100% of my attention to them.
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So did I engage with Klick or not engage with Klick? You pretty clearly quoted engagements with Klick.In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:All Klick related posts in game he claimed his vote was not rvs
This setup in particular it is not scummy to keep reads close. YOU yourself even pointed this out earlier in the game when you lashed out at me for asking about your vote on me. You are a walking contradiction.In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:His only announced read in this game day till that point ^
it's pretty obvious he wants to keep shiro as an option for shipping and yet keep his distance.
Yes. You fence sat on Shiro. You only voted her again when it became clear she was going to die.In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:"Hesitation after scum reading"
I was voting my stronger scum read which was him till that point and then I myself suggested shiros death. He on other hand Knows what is shiro is going to flip and tried to make an association link up there.
No I didn't know what Shiro was going to flip and you labeling what I did as "theater" is a way to discredit and misrepresent what I actually did.
You're just quoting my iso and not actually making any points about any of it. You're just adding buzzwords and misreps.
I think it is pretty clear I was nervous about lolhammering Persivul, even Wonderwell noticed this as a possibility when they said "if you are worried about her being Pers, don't be". You are literally ignoring what is a very real thought because it does not fit your narrative.In post 355, Frozen Angel wrote:so he could make that last page post about how he cares about us not accidentally lynch percival
Basically his move back then checking if its l1 or not was a duplicate of what I did seconds before him making that association read - back then I wanted to see shiors reaction to that wagon and I wanted to see how others react to it and I thought maybe we don't want instant lynch when we have so many days left
But yeah this turkey must be baked.
My move was NOT a duplicate of what you did. You literally said you thought Shiro's response could be town or scum which is the quintessential fence sitting commentary on a buddy. Do not try to paint what I did as anything even remotely similar to your fence sitting.-
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How can I be fence sitting on Shiro when you yourself knew I scumread Shiro and even admit as much in this postIn post 359, Frozen Angel wrote:You were the one who sat on fence about shiro lol Not me.
literally till the moment he died. and when he was dieing you tried to use his death to do the vote you did today.
In post 340, Frozen Angel wrote:At that point I was happily voting you and when next day starts I'll keep on doing that again. How is that distancing from shiro? So everyone who was not voting shiro at that point was distancing from him?
I made a post and said my opinion about shiro wagon around the same time. YOU Were the one who claimedwith certainty who was still voting Klick from page 1 without even mentioning himyou scum read shiro
I questioned YOU there pushing you cause you were not voting shiro who you were claiming to scum read.-
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In post 303, Frozen Angel wrote:Its too early to decide a lynch
Literally just attempting to get away from the Shiro wagon with all these commentsIn post 305, Frozen Angel wrote:Klick is someone I might vote tbh over gobble at the moment-
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I am not scum, I have dismantled your case a thousand times. Repeating the conclusion doesn’t make it true.In post 415, Frozen Angel wrote:Please lynch Gob tomorrow-
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