Micro 931: Avalon Mafia

[Frozen Angel]

The lack of RVS votes is interesting.
Farkran's question towards me is also interesting.
This game is not playing out at all how I thought it would.

How did you think it would be played out

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

Klick why do you like angel more then me?

no offense to you mate but you're 9/10 and I'm 10/10 in cuteness

[Frozen Angel]

Like a normal game

But this is micro not normal

[Frozen Angel]

Not a normal game as in Normal queue. Normal as in how other games are played.

What about the first page of this game was not typical?

pedit: Wonerwelllll o.o

sure I am! & u ?

[Frozen Angel]

That is 99.99999999% Alisae

it was signed

[Frozen Angel]

We are town though!

oof you scared me a second there xd

[Frozen Angel]

Not a normal game as in Normal queue. Normal as in how other games are played.

What about the first page of this game was not typical?

pedit: Wonerwelllll o.o

sure I am! & u ?

The lack of RVS votes from players. Was your vote RVS?

Interesting question

[Frozen Angel]

Lets assume it was RVS and then let's assume it wasn't

1 - what does each scenario mean? are you scared of something?
2 - why would you ask that question?

pedit: oh my god! my favorite!!!!! (don't worry alisae you're also in same S++ tier xd)

SHIROOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Frozen Angel]

Ali and shiro, RVS vote someone you lazy wonderful people

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: frozen angel

[Frozen Angel]

FA already surrendered, so its up to Kerset vs Shiro
Lets quickly analyze the players

In the red corner, we have Kerset
Kerset is fairly new to the mafiascum scene and is gaining a decent amount of popularity!
On the scene of being cute, they are definitely a rising star

In the blue corner, we have Shiro
Shiro is a experienced veteran at being cute and has a known reputation for being extremely cute

Can the Rising Star beat the professional? Find out in the next post!

My cuteness can't be judged on earth

[Frozen Angel]

Angels don't stay on the same planet for too long

I think I'll keep my vote on gob cause that question bugged me. let's see where it brings us.

[Frozen Angel]

Let's assume it wasn't RVS

analyze my vote.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: klick

I'm afraid i have to support this, i think gobble is town

-Farkran

Tbh it looked like his RVS vote was trying to pretend he knew I was scum and roll that wagon from the start
and then his followup was meh as well, could easily see it coming from scum

What was meh about his followup?

-Farkran

I have a response to this but I wait for gem to answer that question first. just testing a theory right now

[Frozen Angel]

gobble, if RVS isn't AI, why did you need to point out it not happening?

I see someone else is catching up with what's in my head

[Frozen Angel]

gobble, if RVS isn't AI, why did you need to point out it not happening?

I think strategically it is more beneficial to do RVS because it helps hide information that certain roles start with.
There's a scum specific voting strategy that helps them find Merlin, but I will talk about that post game.

ok this response is what I was looking for and the theory I was testing

asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin

why would you ask that if you're town on a vote made right after you asking for more rvs votes when you know the benefit of rvs votes?

You mentioned it will be AI if it's not RVS so it makes me sure you are 100% aware of what you asked. also here you're talking about how scum might find merlin strategies so you obviously thought about it.

[Frozen Angel]

but to be honest you are nitpicking turkey over here

I like to play chess.

[Frozen Angel]

asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin

This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is important

If everyone RVS it helps hide Merlin. If no one does, it gives scum more information

yes right

why would you ask if a vote is RVS or not then? to show scum more information about the little ones which were made?

[Frozen Angel]

asking a vote is RVS or not is equal to asking if someone is merlin

This is a misrep but actually helps prove my point why RVS is important

If everyone RVS it helps hide Merlin. If no one does, it gives scum more information

yes right

why would you ask if a vote is RVS or not then? to show scum more information about the little ones which were made?

Hmm. I don’t want to answer this fully but the question towards you took into account more than just your post. There’s a lot of theory I want to go in with regards to this

I have a new question now that I won't ask right now. I want others to post and talk about the conversation here first.

[Frozen Angel]

but to be honest you are nitpicking turkey over here

I like to play chess.

what opening

casual e4 and I have an aggressive style

[Frozen Angel]

Kerset if you were asked to pick scum, who would you pick in gobble vs klick?

-Farkran

Error 404, scum not found

Do you really think chemist is scum then? Because i don't think he is

-Farkran

I don't get the logic here

[Frozen Angel]

better be the best one-liner I have ever seen in my mafiascum career

the best one-liner I have ever seen in my mafiascum career

VOTE: Wonderwell

lol

[Frozen Angel]

you said you dont understand how asking "is this rvs" is like asking "are you merlin"

right wonderwell?

[Frozen Angel]

you said you dont understand how asking "is this rvs" is like asking "are you merlin"

right wonderwell?

Not exactly, i understand the logic of what you are implying, but i think scum wouldn't act like that

-Farkran

Do you mean scum wouldn't dare to publicly ask the question with intention of hunting merlin?

[Frozen Angel]

you said you dont understand how asking "is this rvs" is like asking "are you merlin"

right wonderwell?

Not exactly, i understand the logic of what you are implying, but i think scum wouldn't act like that

-Farkran

Do you mean scum wouldn't dare to publicly ask the question with intention of hunting merlin?

Yes, i don't think that's what scum would do

On another topic, what do you think of Shiro?

-Farkran

One of the stuff that hurts the games a lot are the fallacies. "Cause it's too out there to be true then it's false" is a fallacy

There is 100% no reason for the town to do it and its still a scummy question to ask cause it has a purpose for mafia so I'm not gonna endorse your reasoning for calling them town cause of doing something "Too scummy" that scum wouldn't dare to do!

I think shiro is cute and that I miss him. if you mean what I think about shiro in this game, so far nothing

what you think about them o.o

[Frozen Angel]

Im off work now. One thing i want to say is that before i played Mafia online, i used to play a lot of resistance so this is my type of setup to shine in. Let me carry y'all

how exactly does resistance correlate to this setup

The setup uses Avalon/Resistence mechanics.

what mechanics? can you elaborate?

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

why did you vote and unvote geb dkkoba?

[Frozen Angel]

what are your own scumreads?

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel, what is the difference between asking if a vote is RVS and asking the reasons why someone scumreads someone else?

You asked the rvs questions in page 2. I asked for the reasons in page 8

we were pretty much after rvs stage

[Frozen Angel]

shiro love where are uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Frozen Angel]

hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn

I like Klick less on this page though

@chemist if you were forced to commit yourself to a read what would it be?

[Frozen Angel]

I actually like Shiro response there

[Frozen Angel]

angel what kind of player are you?

I strongly believe that you have to analyze the patterns of behavior when you read and analyze someone and I'm the kind that deliberately starts conversations to put people in different conditions and will try to figure out intentions from their pattern of behavior.

like why if you think like X In here you do Y and Z

this general point of view helps me to analyze people alignment better

as scum, I'm a little devil though

I used to have a not-lynched record on ms even though I used to play a lot (though that was broken twice both times on lylo and by a lurker who didn't vote scum with me before I stoped playing mafia here)

[Frozen Angel]

hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn

Why?

cause the wagon appeared after my push on you for a real reason and Shiro is practically lurking

I like Shiro's response in the sense that when there is no argument made you can't expect the other person to respond.

I don't like shiro rn cause he is on giving us no data mode which from my experience I saw coming from scum Shiro before too

so conflicted feelings about the whole thing

[Frozen Angel]

Dear diary

I think I might be tunneling turkey too soon but he is bothering me in my head so much rn

Turkey has real scum reads but is still RVS voting
Turkey is trying to busy work by mentioning set up again and again at least it feels like that right now - needs to ask about his meta from others
Turkey is not giving out fresh reads - his all reads are kinda conditional to others explanations or are made after others make a read or push a wagon - This is interesting - distancing and safe zoning

I need to step back for a little and come back to his behavior analysis later.

Don't mind me. not scum reading you for above just making some notes for myself

[Frozen Angel]

What gave you the impression that my RVS vote was still an RVS vote?

cause you are asking questions from me not the person you're voting or you claim you scum read

made no mention of Klick in pages

only thing I see is you questioning their Shiro vote and now you say you scum read Shiro

It just doesn't seem like a natural progress

[Frozen Angel]

Also still waiting for your read on shiro you claimed you're waiting for my response before you answer that question so where is it?

[Frozen Angel]

so I haven’t mentioned Klick in ages, but I’ve questioned their read on Shiro...
directly answered klick’s question on this page, but I’ve not mentioned Klick in ages...

You sure you’re not tunneling, FA?

I mean yes there are interactions but there are no questions no arguments no pushing or mentioning

you don't seem like a person who scum reads Klick

if you're claiming that your vote on him is cause you scum read them. I find it hard to believe

as I said that is not a case against you. Just me noting some of your behavioral irregularities that I see. will see if this ends up somewhere meaning full or not

lets talk about the people on shiro wagon. what do you think about their votes? also why you didn't like shiro response to that wagon?

[Frozen Angel]

why you town read the rest ali?

[Frozen Angel]

and another question I wanted to ask you

What do you think about the part Shiro said he is sure I am town?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't like anything you said in that post.

I agree with your sentences but your reads that are based on them are all fallacies

case Klick for me and explain why you think I'm scum between me and goble

[Frozen Angel]

I mean
you seem more focused on establishing an agenda and control while Gobble just isn't.

pedit: lmao

I'm not establishing an agenda. I'm just trying to make a proper read. You know how I play this game and that accusation is bs

[Frozen Angel]

I feel like this is one of those games where I have to slap someone post-game.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean
you seem more focused on establishing an agenda and control while Gobble just isn't.

pedit: lmao

I'm not establishing an agenda. I'm just trying to make a proper read. You know how I play this game and that accusation is bs

no FA,
I don't know how you play mafia in 2020.
The games you played on MS, most of which you replace out of because you're a really busy person.

first I only replaced out once since I came back to ms.

secondly, that makes no sense. I didn't ask you to meta read me. I'm saying you know that I create conversation and how I push people to make a read on the cause that's how I always played town. that and making people push me because when people try to push me I understand their intentions easier as I already know the role of one side of that argument.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm saying you know that I create conversation and how I push people to make a read on the cause that's how I always played town. that and making people push me because when people try to push me I understand their intentions easier as I already know the role of one side of that argument.

I know that you're also very capable of having a read akin to Gobbles as scum.

I have many reads

talked about a lot of them

it rarely happens that I get a grasp of game state this early in-game. here it happened.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok, here's the thing.

What scum is currently failing to realize is that even VTs are delivering a significant amount of information today, because compared to a common mafia game where the amount of uninformed people in d1 is roughly ~80% of the playerlist (10 out of 13 in a mini; 2 out of 9 in a newbie/micro), here the truly uninformed players are only 40% aka 3 out of 8. Merlin knows exactly who is scum, scum knows who is town as usual, Percival has a 50% chance to sheep town or scum with his information. Only the VTs are left completely in the dark, meaning that only 3 people are truly, completely clueless about what they should do. You wouldn't be able to hide among the ignorants, because there are too few ignorants.

Now, there have been several people claiming to be ignorant (chemist 125; shiro 184; FA 216), or displaying to be ignorant (klick has switched his vote 4 times by now). There is zero chance that all those people are town, so we just have to discern which people are genuinely clueless from those who are faking it to promote a scum agenda. I feel like there are at least 2 scum in that group, the chance of all 3 being there isn't so far off given how things have been playing out so far.

I approve of our most recent vote on Chemist, i think he's morgana.

-Farkran.

hmm I have conflicted feelings about Shiro wagon and Shiro slot rn

Why?

cause the wagon appeared after my push on you for a real reason and Shiro is practically lurking

I like Shiro's response in the sense that when there is no argument made you can't expect the other person to respond.

I don't like shiro rn cause he is on giving us no data mode which from my experience I saw coming from scum Shiro before too

so conflicted feelings about the whole thing

@wonder

explain what about my post is "ignorant"

[Frozen Angel]

wow geez shiro, I wonder what FA is flipping this game xD

me too

[Frozen Angel]

FA how much are you really thinking about when it comes to the setup?
Like on a scale of 0 being not at all to 5 being its taking an active part in my scumhunting

The setup here is so easy to comprehend and there is no need for more setup discussions tbh

Morana must convince Percival they are merlin
Percival must find merlin knowing merlin knows morgana and the other two scum and Morgan doesn't know merlin
Merlin must make sure town won't mislynch without outing themself
and everyone must act like they are merlin

I don't know why there is too much setup discussions in this game and how is that relevant to the actual game flow

[Frozen Angel]

another part of why shiro is scum is because saying that your only townread is FA, and then supporting me on Klick but trying to talk me out of FA is very indicative of FA and Shiro just being buddies.

Shiro wants me to continue pushing Klick but not FA and I can see Shiro as someone who is just having a hard time knowing what to do, and the only read they feel like they can reasonably justify is FA = Town

pedit: Fark always signs. I (Ali) 90% of the time forget to sign

I asked you (alisae) but you ignored my question

I'm honestly feeling iffy about how shiro is certain I'm town knowing how advanced my scum game can be and tbh I never saw shiro making such an early read on me and I thought you must see that too

[Frozen Angel]

Chemi the thing you don't understand is,
well
lets talk about the shiro wagon
166 - you tell Klick you would vote Shiro
167 - Klick votes Shiro
170 - Koba votes Shiro
171 - So its at this point, that you vote Shiro. Now, this makes sense as Morgana!

So how can you be ignorant when as scum, you are playing the setup correctly

your thoughts on this?

The wagon on shiro was so easily made and based on a non existing argument just cause shiro was also non existing

I said it before too I don't like that wagon. I didn't like klick most cause of his argument that shiro is not responding when they were asking nothing and then their follow up. but yeah chemist vote also felt iffy. I neither like koba tbh. His vote seems to be baseless too and he had too much fluff before that.

[Frozen Angel]

Chemi the thing you don't understand is,
well
lets talk about the shiro wagon
166 - you tell Klick you would vote Shiro
167 - Klick votes Shiro
170 - Koba votes Shiro
171 - So its at this point, that you vote Shiro. Now, this makes sense as Morgana!

So how can you be ignorant when as scum, you are playing the setup correctly

your thoughts on this?

The wagon on shiro was so easily made and based on a non existing argument just cause shiro was also non existing

I said it before too I don't like that wagon. I didn't like klick most cause of his argument that shiro is not responding when they were asking nothing and then their follow up. but yeah chemist vote also felt iffy. I neither like koba tbh. His vote seems to be baseless too and he had too much fluff before that.

okay but Chemist's vote in particular given the context
town or scum?

scummy

But I still like to keep on voting my turkey

[Frozen Angel]

explain what about my post is "ignorant"

Your post implies that you don't know Shiro alignment

-Farkran

?!!!

You're making no sense

[Frozen Angel]

Like FA
the only person who really sheeped on on Gobbles is Koba who is actually just doing fuck all nothing

yeah

This argument won't make goba townier at all.

I like my case, I feel like I'm onto something. want to push it further.

Koba vote felt like rvs there tbh

[Frozen Angel]

Its too early to decide a lynch

[Frozen Angel]

Klick is someone I might vote tbh over gobble at the moment

[Frozen Angel]

or shiro

chemist is ehh

[Frozen Angel]

wait

how far are we from the lynch itself?

[Frozen Angel]

with your vote he should be at l1

[Frozen Angel]

My Shiro-fa suspicions continue to strengthen

VOTE: Shiro

I feel even better about this vote now with what gobble just tried to do

[Frozen Angel]

Shiro is scum.

Gobba his buddy who is trying to make an association to set up my mislynch when shiro flips red

literally couldn't be more outright scum claiming

[Frozen Angel]

@FA

All players should feign ignorance to some extent, but there are two ways around it, the towny way and the scummy way

Like, look at how gobble introduced himself in the thread. He has never claimed to be ignorant, actually he tried to look like he knew things, but if you look one level deeper he has been questioning, analyzing and reacting to people's posts in his whole iso. Your scumread of him is very surface level, which could point to you being informed, but then you claim you know nothing about Shiro - that's not a good way around it.

Could also be your town playstyle, you're my weakest scumread among the group i mentioned. Chemist/Shiro are currently our main priority target. I would rather get Chemist because i think removing morgana is better than lowly scums, but i guess shiro is ok as a d1 lynch

My read on goba is not surface level and I never claimed it's based on a

My read on goba is based on "the pattern of his actions which can only come from a scum mindset".

He doesn't progress the game. if you look at whatever he did since start and compare them with the stuff I highlighted you can see how "deep" is my scum hunting actually

Surface level read and something that is based on preknowledge is him accusing me to be shiro ally when shiro is getting lynched just to use shiros TMI and repeated mention of me and he added a baseless accusation that I hesitated to vote shiro to make an association link between me and him to be able to push me in next day.

That I cant see come from town at all.

[Frozen Angel]

I lost connection to mafiascum for a bit xd

[Frozen Angel]

My read on you rn is that you're 99% scum and the reason I'm certain was your last move of trying to associate me and shiro.

Those were not part of a case. Just pieces of a puzzle that now is complete.

as I said a pattern of actions that in whole can only be from a scum mindset.

[Frozen Angel]

My notes happened way later than when the shiro wagon took off. I first talked about shiro wagon itself then made those notes.

You said I hesitated in voting shiro when I myself suggested shiro to wonder

Why did you accuse me of such thing if you're not scum knowing what shiro will flip who is trying to set up a mislynch afterward?

[Frozen Angel]

There is literally no other explanation for you lying there and making that post.

[Frozen Angel]

At that point I was happily voting you and when next day starts I'll keep on doing that again. How is that distancing from shiro? So everyone who was not voting shiro at that point was distancing from him?

I made a post and said my opinion about shiro wagon around the same time. YOU Were the one who claimed you scum read shiro with certainty who was still voting Klick from page 1 without even mentioning him

I questioned YOU there pushing you cause you were not voting shiro who you were claiming to scum read.

[Frozen Angel]

You litteraly made a case about me when in reality everything about it just applies to one slot in this game and that is you who were distancing shiro and your misrep about my vote/read on shiro is scum trying to force assosciation when I was the one who suggested shiro as alternative to wonder when he was asking me to unvote you and move on from you

[Frozen Angel]

You keep going on with this case building of yours when shiro is not even flipped yet lol

I'm sorry that I kept my options open enough to vote your scum buddy over you lol. You were still voting your rvs vote without asking a single relevant question from them or trying to solve them or anyone when you were also apparently scum reading shiro after they got wagoned.

[Frozen Angel]

You litteraly made a case about me when in reality everything about it just applies to one slot in this game and that is you who were distancing shiro and your misrep about my vote/read on shiro is scum trying to force assosciation when I was the one who suggested shiro as alternative to wonder when he was asking me to unvote you and move on from you

How was I distancing from Shiro? And if I was distancing from buddy!Shiro, wouldn't I want to make sure I was on the wagon when she flipped?

You were distancing here

Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?

I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.

You tried to sort an association to push for my mislynch when he flips red lol

It just backfired and will backfire.

You'll see

[Frozen Angel]

1.You keep going on with this case building of yours when shiro is not even flipped yet lol

2. I'm sorry that I kept my options open enough to vote your scum buddy over you lol.
3.You were still voting your rvs vote without asking a single relevant question from them or trying to solve them or anyone when you were also apparently scum reading shiro after they got wagoned.

1. You think it is ridiculous that I pointing out connections between a not yet flipped player and you.
2. You then point out connections between a not yet flipped player and me. Moreover, you don't even bat an eye about her being scum in this sentence, but in the first sentence you seem to imply you don't know. Hmm. What narrative are you trying to stick on me
3. I already pointed out how you were wrong about this as I did engage with Klick multiple times the first time you tried to frame what I did as not engaging with Klick.

1. I find it ridiculous that you scumread shiro and you were voting Klick without ever trying to sort anyone out in the entire day and people think you're town
2. you lied about me, my read on shiro and how I suggested to lynch them myself when according to you their wagon was slowing down.
3. You made an association read with me and shiro when shiro became L1 knowing shiro is about to die and knowing what he will flip.
4. You didn't engage with Klick at all to sort him you claimed your vote on him is not rvs but you voted him in rvs phase and there was no mention of him in entire day. I will keep repeating it cause its non existing. You saw shiro getting wagoned so to keep your option open you claimed a scum read on shiro but you didn't vote them.

Exactly what you're accusing me off. and that by itself is not scummy as a lot of others were like that too scum reading shiro but having a better/other vote at that moment. Yet you decided to announce that is scummy about me right when shiro became L1.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean this : "You saw shiro getting wagoned so to keep your option open you claimed a scum read on shiro but you didn't vote them." as exactly what you're accusing me off and that by itself is not scummy if someone was not voting shiro there and scumreading them. but your recent action just proves what you were after since then

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Frozen Angel]

His Klick vote

Lucky number 7

VOTE: Klick

All Klick related posts in game he claimed his vote was not rvs

Spoiler:

Did I respond to that post Klick?

How was my follow up meh then, Klick?

Or were you saying something else I did was meh?

The post itself was never intended to achieve anything in and of itself, if that makes sense

VOTE: Shiro
Seems like a better wagon than Wonderwell atm

How come?

His Shiro read when shiro wagon got 3 votes:

Hi gobble!
What are your own thoughts on Shiro/the people interacting around her?

I didn’t think Shiro’s response to her wagon was particularly townie. I will save my full comment until after FA answers my question.

His only announced read in this game day till that point ^

it's pretty obvious he wants to keep shiro as an option for shipping and yet keep his distance.

His response about why he is still voting Klick and not shirt (question was asked by me)

What gave you the impression that my RVS vote was still an RVS vote?

That was me trying to see if he is developing any reads or not. felt not


this was his reaction after I suggested shiro as an alternative to be voting him when wonder asked and when there was a solid possibility shiro is getting lynched.

My Shiro-fa suspicions continue to strengthen

Yup. FA’s earlier hesitation about Shiro after scumreading her is totally a buddy not wanting to bus

"Hesitation after scum reading"

I was voting my stronger scum read which was him till that point and then I myself suggested shiros death. He on other hand Knows what is shiro is going to flip and tried to make an association link up there.

and then he ran this theater cause he thought hammering might make him look bad:

Shiro claim

Yup. FA’s earlier hesitation about Shiro after scumreading her is totally a buddy not wanting to bus

okay vote it with us

She’s L-1

so he could make that last page post about how he cares about us not accidentally lynch percival

Basically his move back then checking if its l1 or not was a duplicate of what I did seconds before him making that association read - back then I wanted to see shiors reaction to that wagon and I wanted to see how others react to it and I thought maybe we don't want instant lynch when we have so many days left

But yeah this turkey must be baked.

[Frozen Angel]

And no gob

You and shiro being scum were not my premises. Those were my conclusion after analyzing your actions in game. You trying to make an association between me and shiro was post 311 where you came out of nowhere when shiro was at l1 and nearly lynched cause of me to make a claim that I was hesitant before to vote him when I was voting my stronger scumread. I know what posts I made about shiro and they are all fine. my progress on shiro was not misguided. my progress on you is not misguided either

[Frozen Angel]

1. I find it ridiculous that you scumread shiro and you were voting Klick without ever trying to sort anyone out in the entire day and people think you're town
2. you lied about me, my read on shiro and how I suggested to lynch them myself when according to you their wagon was slowing down.
3. You made an association read with me and shiro when shiro became L1 knowing shiro is about to die and knowing what he will flip.
4. You didn't engage with Klick at all to sort him you claimed your vote on him is not rvs but you voted him in rvs phase and there was no mention of him in entire day. I will keep repeating it cause its non existing. You saw shiro getting wagoned so to keep your option open you claimed a scum read on shiro but you didn't vote them.

Exactly what you're accusing me off. and that by itself is not scummy as a lot of others were like that too scum reading shiro but having a better/other vote at that moment. Yet you decided to announce that is scummy about me right when shiro became L1.

1. That is just false. I have pointed out where I was sorting Klick. It should also be obvious that I was attempting to sort you based off my question about your "unease" on the Shiro wagon.
2. I did not lie about you. I pointed out my opinions which are supported by what actually happened in the thread. You fence sat on Shiro and the first chance that her wagon picked up steam again you voted her.
3. Earlier you said I made an association between you and Shiro before Shiro got to L-1. So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
4. I did engage with Klick. When I asked him what he meant by meh and also when I answered his question about Shiro. Just because my vote is on someone doesn't mean I have to devote 100% of my attention to them.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

you're so gonna die today for making 311

That was your tactical mistake XD you literally outed yourself and shiro by making that move.

you will die for it today my dear scum

[Frozen Angel]

You were the one who sat on fence about shiro lol Not me.

literally till the moment he died. and when he was dieing you tried to use his death to do the vote you did today.

[Frozen Angel]

Now I must go see you all later

[Frozen Angel]

I made a lot of points about the posts I quoted

I had a strong scum read I was voting it till my latest conversation with wonder about other possible people who I might vote and see pressured

then I suggested shiro and was checking if my vote will hammer "HIM" (stop calling shiro a she)

Then you made the association accusation

That was it for me I wanted shiro dead then 100%.

You on other hand - you didn't have a meaningful vote. You were not trying to solve jackshit about them. You claimed you scum read shiro when a wagon on them appeared yet you didn't talk about the wagon on them even though you conditioned it to me talking about it first and I respected that wish.

and then when I suggested shiro and their wagon started to heat up again you suddenly made that baseless association about why I didn't vote shiro when it was obvious I'm voting my stronger scumread and that logic could have been said about 75% or more of the players of this game who all said somehow they don't like shiro as well and didnt vote shiro instantly. Yet you came after me and tried your chances to discredit me knowing what shiro will flip.

There was simply no other explanations and there is no other explanations. You are scum.

Also about my shiro read. I said I liked shiros response to the wagon Exactly the opposite of the read you had and you made just to not talk about it more - and I explained why I liked it. I said I don't like shiro active lurking cause I saw them doing it as scum before. I got my scumread on shiro later when shiro started to call me 100% town and I asked alisae about it - wanted to test wonder slot with that - Only after I saw we both reached same conclusion I started to feel wonder is towny.

[Frozen Angel]

As I said you called shiro scummy and that was your only read but you didn't elaborate you ran away from elaboration or voting cause you had a fictional vote on Klick.

You came back to it when we started to actually lynch shiro and not before XD

Its too early to decide a lynch

Klick is someone I might vote tbh over gobble at the moment

Literally just attempting to get away from the Shiro wagon with all these comments

We had 6 days I wasn't sure if instant lynching is a good idea. You making that accusation made me sure I want it now

I said the second post before suggesting shiro as an option lmao

you're so desprate rn

[Frozen Angel]

I know Shiro too well

Shiro made a huge mistake when he claimed he has no paranoia about me being scum

You made a huge mistake when you tried to link me with Shiro when his lynch was close. That move was bad and desperate from you and I'm gonna get your scum delicious belly lynched cause of it.

Valar Morghulis.

[Frozen Angel]

It's around 1 am here and I have a migraine headache that is killing me.

I have Athazagoraphobia which is a phobia of ignoring something or getting ignored so when you responded I automatically answered and now I can't even sleep

Don't get so low to use real-life related commentary to push me. that's not nice

[Frozen Angel]

Me active lurking to answer you right after you make your post is bad because?

It just speedups the conversation

Unless if you intend to not speedup the conversation for some reason

[Frozen Angel]

and there were less than 4 minutes period between my two posts back then

how is that active lurking?

[Frozen Angel]

Fark has the spark to solve the game right now tbh and I townread your slot cause of him and I like that but he prejudges that people are town based on fallacies repeatedly and he prefers to do that on a bunch of slot and then witch hunt in whoever remains. Scums always try to get cleared with cheap or expensive reasons. Clearing people cause a certain action is not 100% scummy or because that certain action is not something scum would wanna do to progress the game is not how you find scum. The way to find scum is paying attention that they dont care about solving game in reality - They just want to be in a better position cause of their actions and to misdirect people so they try to make cases that other players will like and support but has a shallow basis. You catch them based on the timing of events - like when they panic and do an action when their scum mate is on L1. Thats how you find a scum.

@Kerest I never coasted in this game. Coasting means not having a clear read about someone to be able to use an opportunity in the future. Like what Gobble did. Not not-voting someone you feel iffy about when you're voting someone else for better reasons like me when I was voting gobble.

I explained my read on Shiro and all of the Shiros actions separately and I Got my scumread later on him when he started to call me his 100% townread and questioned Alisae about it cause I wanted to see what alisae sees in it.
I introduced shiro as a possible other vote than gobble cause of that
I voted shiro with certainty when gobble tried to make that association link before flip.

My iso is all there - clear. Your either are not reading it well enough or you dont wanna read it so I ask you to try again.

[Frozen Angel]

I will be iso reading rest of slots later today when I have time and will make a read list considering shiros flip

[Frozen Angel]

I am Percival and I know who is Merlin

Vote Gobble, please

[Frozen Angel]

With 7 players in-game it takes 4 people to lynch me

2 already are voting so L2 one can be gobble at any time so I was at L1

With how fast day 1 ended you blame me?

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, if you're town you're giving a large amount of info to scum just to avoid a possible lynch at L-2

I'm inclined to believe you're lying tho considering that

I didn't claim to not get lynched.

I claimed to get goble lynched. If you feel like doing so, lynch me first and then him but that will fuck up the game.

Lynch him, please. He is not a town. He is 99.9% almost definitely scum.

[Frozen Angel]

Its harder for town PRs in this game to get the support they want on the scum wagons that they know. Scum has each other. Town PRs can't be supporting each other publicly.

That's why this game is extremely scum sided.

I'm claiming a guilty on gobble. Please for the love of god at least consider that.

[Frozen Angel]

And before someone attack my claim about this being scum sided

Town wins if they lynch 3 scum and if merlin is not outed

Mafia wins if they get 2 mislynches or if they find merlin

In this setup Percival has a very easy time finding merlin knowing merlin Knows morgana but Morgana doesn't know merlin but besides that anything about town prs and interactions and pushing and Settung up the game in a way that doesn't result in mislynch without outing merlin is so god damn hard.

[Frozen Angel]

Gobble is conf scum

There is an assured scum between me and Gobble. Looking elsewhere is dumb.

[Frozen Angel]

Imagine that I literally gladiated myself and gobble and You know there is a scum between us.

Read the game again considering my claim and analyze my actions and his actions and vote based on it.

I still will do that iso read on everyone else based on shiros flip and what I know and will leave a last will in-game thread if you all end up preferring to lynch me so please under no circumstances hammer me early till I get that read list/last will sorted.

[Frozen Angel]

This game sooooooo easy for town. We got scum day1 and we narrowed down the other one to be in frozen or turkey. I bet that fark will find the last one by day 3 or 4.

It's narrowed down to me and goble yeah. But town decision today

decides the game

. Don't look at the fact we have the chance to have one extra mislynch. Town much makes the correct choice today.

[Frozen Angel]

must*

I hate this auto corrector xd

[Frozen Angel]

the town must ask this question

if I was scum would I test and hard tunnel goble since the start of day 1 the way I did. I was engaging with him hardcore.

And ask this question

Wouldn't it be better looking for scum me to not zig-zag on my gable vote and to not be open for other lynches at the end of day 1 - when I voted shiro?

I know how to play scum I'm not dumb. I had an "agenda" since the start because I had the information you didn't.

[Frozen Angel]

Chemist is not morgana wonderwell.

This is information.

Kerset I asked you to reread game. I cant force you to do it but I can ask again So please do it and try to understand.

[Frozen Angel]

Morgana is not forced to do anything beside trying to fool Percival. Sometimes it's achieved by bussing their partner. Sometimes it's achieved by running a show at end of day phase to show they are ready to lynch their partner but to not actually lynch their partner when they are at L1 so it seems they care about their claim.

I repeat this and please listen Morgana doesn't know merlin. Merlin knows Morgana and the other two mafias. Percival knows merlin and Morgana players and doesn't know which is which and must try to find the person who knows the other in that pair.

[Frozen Angel]

And the person who knows the other in that pair is merlin not morgana.

Thats how percival find merlin and morgana

[Frozen Angel]

You don't know the pair and I can't tell you for obvious reasons but you can see that in my play and that's why I'm town.

[Frozen Angel]

I know its not over yet but I don't think I can do anything to stop this

I'm sorry guys I did my best to hint and direct you. please forgive me for putting myself in this situation. I really would prefer to be mafia in this game or just a normal town. This is just too stressful and I'm sure I failed it.

[Frozen Angel]

From what I read from merlin on the day 1 I think the last scum is between Klick and DkKoba.

[Frozen Angel]

Please lynch Gob tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

If ur town I think its more productive to hammer yourself

I won't do that.

[Frozen Angel]

Lynch Gob tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

Thanks for the game everyone, It was a pleasure. Good luck with the rest of it. I'll be watching from the dead thread.

and stay safe and in your homes in these troublesome times. Since I'm lynched I won't post anything game related anymore.

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel?
More like
Frozen Scum

Tell me this post is not made by alisae

[Frozen Angel]

20 years later

Fark: "But Chemist is Morgana!"

All I say is this game reminded me why I'm taking time off from this game. Your reads are not more important than the mod information that YOU know it exists somewhere in this game. Instead of pushing your stupid ego boosted reads and accusing me of the game throwing even after I'm dead open your minds. I'm honestly offended that you humiliated me to accuse me of the game throwing in day 3 instead of even considering what I said in day 2. Claiming Percival was basically the only way I could transfer my reads to you and open your minds otherwise we would loose just by mislynches. My Percival was not even trying to understand the crap tone of hints I put in my game and was sure dk is town when they posted absolute nonsense the entire day 1 and I'm mafia who had the only valid cases on 2 scums in-game. and my Percival leads a wagon on me on day 2 But I forgive them at least they did my job after I solved the game for them even though I got forced to out myself cause of it.

I take responsibility for my failure in this game. I hope you all take responsibility for your own wrongdoings too. Especially your trash fallacy reads that you gave away like candies to people here and there left and right on day 1. Scum hunting is

Town loss was well deserved. Congrats mafia.

[Frozen Angel]

I had no Percival.

I drew too much attention to myself cause I had to.

I did what was right in that sense - and I will repeat doing that again and again.

Kerest was one of the worst players of this game because they had to do what I did instead of me and they didn't till I died.

You on the other hand - you played well. I used your name cause I thought cause of your voting style I can fool scum you are merlin.

[Frozen Angel]

I knew the persival pair is me - dk so I said the third scum is in Klick dk to draw attention to you at the same time I'm outing dk

[Frozen Angel]

cause I figured dk is morgana between you three. he was dropping hints early game acting like they are merlin and you and shiro were not like morgana tone-wise.

so when I saw 2 town voting me on a day that needed 4 votes to get me lynched I figured this town will never vote scum ever no matter how solid my case is against them. They were not even reading what I was saying. I had to out my information somehow so I did the only thing I could do and tried to act like percival as believable as possible.

Fark cleared you on page 2 of game and cleared do on like page 5 both cause you said something that wasn't scummy according to themself and they never looked back and my persival was so passive day 1 - they just came to day 2 voting me cause they had a town read on you and dk for some reason "I still dont get the reasons tbh"

[Frozen Angel]

Town did 0 solving in this game tbh.

Next game maybe do it to not force merlin to make such a play.

You guys were not even pushing my outed information after I did that play and instead accused me of game throwing cause your own reads were more important.

Don't put the blame on me for giving the town a chance in winning this that fark nearly ruined next day by repeated screaming that I am not persival even when my actual persival was not counterclaiming me themself.

[Frozen Angel]

and goble I'm really not gonna come back to MS to play more games at least not with some huge breaks in between games. I might mod some here and there again but yeah This is just too much pressure.

I'm still waiting for a public apology from people who even considered I'm capable of game throwing "by claiming my own reads are mod information" in the day 3.

[Frozen Angel]

@Farkan

I'm too salty for your insult not for the loose. You played bad but that's another discussion.

apologize for what you said about me on day 3 and we're cool.

[Frozen Angel]

apology accepted.

I take responsibility for my mistakes and I take my share in this loss. I still think the gambit was worth it to try in this game looking at player base - what they have done and the direction the game was going to. I somehow managed to give the reads to real percival so town wouldn't be without those and tried to make bait for scum in the hope they don't choose me as merlin cause before that point I already dropped so many hints I'm merlin that no one in town picked up and I was kinda sure scum is already leaning on me being merlin cause of those. so I decided to go with it.

and thanks DkKoba! great game!

[Frozen Angel]

I mentioned dk as scum read on day 1.

at day 1 I was thinking goble is morgana I changed my mind when we went to day 2.

[Frozen Angel]

Merlin doesnt know which of the three scum is morgana. They just know the three scums.

I pushed 2 of those 3 on day 1 and somehow none end up to be morgana

[Frozen Angel]

also tbh I didn't say any reads that I wouldn't have normally. Goble was such an obvious scum with his actions in day 1 to me. I still think my case on him is valid. I actually started pushing him without remembering he is one of the 3 scums and his action, before lynch in a combination of the way he played throughout the day, was just all a combination of a scum mindset.

and I didn't really push shiro. I said he is ehhh cause of the way he said I'm 100% town which would be my exact read on shiro even if I wasn't merlin.

You guys just didn't know me and my playstyle at all so my behavioral analysis came out weird to you.

You all had goble cleared - I think cause of meta. I couldn't get it at all.

[Frozen Angel]

Of course you would.

[Frozen Angel]

I didnt do that gambit cause I was tilted. I did it cause I thought its the right play.

[Frozen Angel]

In the contrary, I think we all played day 1 really badly. Horribly awful. a lot of faulty reads being thrown out without actual reasoning and then being used as base read - which most kept till later stages of game without evaluating them. No one was trying to understand there is mod information in-game so sheeping is actually very important in this game - to trust more than your own reads - and that to hide it they must act like they are merlin too - all beside Klick. Yes scum might add misinformation - that's what must be done here - hunting between information and misinformation and acting like it's your own. players including merlin must be more active pushing this and that and "finding the mod information that they know exists in-game"

not all being passive and pushing random crap the way their heart desires.

pedit: and true that this game is scumsided. mechanics are interesting - its just the nature of game to give scum more chance to win and make it harder for town.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't say you had to have perfect reads.

I'm just saying you had to actually scum hunt instead of vomiting reads.

and yeah well I thought about percival claiming as the only way I can keep merlin like info game. I tried to turn persival slot to a merlin by solving the game for them and acting like I know what is persival pair by framing someone who voted good and like merlin as merlin. I'm not saying it was the correct approach. maybe without it we would win. but at that point it felt like the correct play and I went with it knowing scum can remove me from game any moment they like as I already had 2 towns voting me where I did it.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't say you had to have perfect reads.

I'm just saying you had to actually scum hunt instead of vomiting reads.

and yeah well I thought about percival claiming as the only way I can keep merlin like info game. I tried to turn persival slot to a merlin by solving the game for them and acting like I know what is persival pair by framing someone who voted good and like merlin as merlin. I'm not saying it was the correct approach. maybe without it we would win. but at that point it felt like the correct play and I went with it knowing scum can remove me from game any moment they like as I already had 2 towns voting me where I did it.

I think you overvalued the benefits of the Merlin knowledge vs the downsides of getting caught as Merlin, particularly when we had already lynched one scum.
Having extremely accurate reads, only pushing scum, and doing the gambit made town's odds of winning very low, because in order for town to win Merlin must remain hidden, and you made yourself a very likely Merlin.

There was a decent chance that had you held off for a bit I'd have switched my vote over from you to gobble. I was already considering it.

I'm not gonna defend myself against this accusation. I made a gambit to both hide that I'm merlin and out the info and I lost and it lost the game. I still am kinda sure that without it our win rate was way lower so.