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In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
You and I are going to get along great.
In post 32, HoldenGolden wrote:Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame
This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?
You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.
However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time
I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?
In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
You and I are going to get along great.
In post 32, HoldenGolden wrote:Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame
This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?
You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.
However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time
I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?
It has nothing to do with the reason to meta me. Allow me to expand further
*Put on your big brain hats, takes a deep breath*
As you can see at the top of this page there was a span of 2 minutes between me posing the question and his answer. This is important as here are two examples of the answers I am expecting:
"It was back when you were playing"
vs
"I read 1944 for newbie 1952"
If I am gauging if he was being artificial about his view on me, then one of these clearly sounds more scummy then the other. The former is open ended, vague, and easily bullshitable. The other meanwhile is precise and narrow scoped. Factor in the short time frame in the response to the question and with it being more what I expect if he was being truthful, then I am left with a pretty easy conclusion. Yes, this is assuming that 2 mins is not enough time to make the response to it, but that's the philosophical razor for you
Now a question of my own: What do you make of it now given my rational? Ball is back in your court
I like your reasoning, but neither of those answers is a more recent time frame. You stated that you would be alarmed if he had given a more recent time frame. What would that have looked like?
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Post #80 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:16 pm
Postby Madoka »
In post 73, bugspray wrote:pedit: no, madoka but it seems like you're definitely trying to convey some meaning and i'm bad at figuring that stuff out
Oh, there's no meaning, I just like to look at them. I'll stick with blue. It never occurred to me that red-green colorblind individuals would have difficulty distinguishing those colors from the background.
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Post #157 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:53 pm
Postby Madoka »
I didn't feel like hem was intimidating you either, Hiraki. I also agree with him that you reacted defensively. I don't agree with him that you are scummy though.
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Post #177 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:31 pm
Postby Madoka »
That's all I wanted addressed, thank you. I asked about your language because I was curious. I think we should focus our attention on bugs, George, and shiki.
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Post #227 (isolation #21) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:52 am
Postby Madoka »
In post 182, Datisi wrote:Madoka, is there any use in not outright saying ypur impressions on the entirety of the playerlist? Or at list on whoever you have a read?
Yes, I don't think it's useful to provide opinions I'm not certain of unless I am asked about them.
In post 183, shiki wrote:
is this for activity reasons? if so, it was late for me. if not, why? do you find george's limited activity to be scummy? or one of his posts? or simply the use of the familiarity between him and bugspray? or do you think we should focus our attention on him simply to get more out of him?
Yes, the last line.
In post 194, HoldenGolden wrote:Madoka I too would like to hear your reads and all that are not neutral unless there is a good reason you are on the fence for somebody. Especially for the three people you listed.
I don't have a read on George or Shiki. I am leaning scum on bugs. I agree with all of the reasons Datisi has put forth.
In post 205, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi: ‘Contradictory’ was in reference to Monkey’s stance on Bugs - he doesn’t like your vote as Bugs hasn’t been scummy yet he approves of the pressure on Bugs.
I didn’t particularly ‘like’ Monkey’s Datisi explanation, but I can see where he’s coming from (I’ve already said I didn’t like your opening much either).
As for my read on Monkey, I was beginning to TR him towards the end of his argument with Hiraki, but I’ll need to ISO before I’m confident on that read.
Is this really a contradiction though? Feeling that Datisi is agenda-driven and being OK with pressuring bugs into posting more are independent of each other. Did Hem address this to your satisfaction?
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Post #236 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:14 am
Postby Madoka »
In post 232, bugspray wrote:if days lasted 7 days maybe id agree about to stagnation but days are much shorter so wagons stagnate quicker it just makes sense
Your wagon hasn't stagnated though. It takes 5 votes to lynch. And it was only hours into the game.
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Post #239 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 am
Postby Madoka »
In post 231, HoldenGolden wrote:Why did you choose to draw focus then to Shiki as opposed to other players in the game? I understand not having a read on Mr. starbucks, but you did not really clear the shiki part of it with that post.
Bugs responded to this, but I think it was directed at me.
By focus, I just meant I wanted more content from them. It wasn't a complaint about activity (I know we all have different active times) or meant to throw shade. But oftentimes in games, the same few people will have the majority of the posts which isn't useful. In particular, I felt that Hem vs Hiraki was belabored and I didn't think it would be helpful for them to continue going at it. I'd rather hear more from bugs, Shiki, and George. I wanted more from you at the time as well, but you had already shown an indication that you were probably going to be one of the more vocal slots.
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Post #240 (isolation #26) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:17 am
Postby Madoka »
In post 238, bugspray wrote:what the fuck is a stagnant wagon then??
like its been more than 1/3 of the ENTIRE day and my wagon hasn't grown that feels pretty fstagnant to me
If your wagon grew any more then the day would end and we don't want the day to end? This is silly.
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Post #243 (isolation #27) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:19 am
Postby Madoka »
And, Bugs, stagnant wagons usually means that the person is scum because their partner(s) are avoiding being a part of it. I don't' at all see how you come to the opposite conclusion that it means scum are on the wagon.
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Post #433 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:28 pm
Postby Madoka »
In post 327, Hiraki wrote:I'll vote bugs as a compromise if you guys swear that HEM or George dies tomorrow. Willing to re-evaluate my Luca read based on the current postings. Not sure who replaces him though.
If you scum read HEM and George why would you need a replacement for Luca?
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Post #437 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:38 pm
Postby Madoka »
In post 352, bugspray wrote:that sounds like begging the question with extra steps
like if im assuming p and then find a q and say p->q therefore q->p i THInk??
am i understanding this shit right
No p > q doesn't necessarily lead to p > q. Example:
If I'm in the bath, then I am wet. Does not mean that if I am wet, I am in the bath. There are other reasons I could be wet.
Similarly, as Datisi was saying. If you're scum, you like to do compromise lynches. Does not mean if you like to do compromise lynches you are scum. There are other reasons you could like to do compromise lynches.
In post 114, humaneatingmonkey wrote:honestly, my vibe is you're a bit defensive. which is what you're doing now. i'm not hot and bothered about it because it's non-AI in itself. but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.
i am very wary of this approach to hiraki. hiraki is repeatedly lynched as town, but not usually on day one. scumreading him but not pushing or voting him until he goaded you into it feels like setting up later actions.
some of hiraki's play here seems out of character (no ego post, not waiting for the game to develop to post much [which is likely explained by this being a blitz game]), but his reactions to monkey's actions seem consistent with past behaviour as town in similar situations. his general unpleasantness is not alignment indicative, as can be determined by even the most cursory of meta overviews.
i take something similar out of these interactions. i do not think monkey wanted to push hiraki, but hiraki kinda forced his hand. it felt to me like he wanted to push datisi, while saving hiraki scumread for later. sowing the seeds, if you will.
it means that it felt like monkey wanted to scumread you but make no real effort to push you right then, but you engaged him on his scumread to the point where he could no longer ignore it.
Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?
Process of Elimination. I think Luca is the only one that can be partners with either Hiraki or Bugs (and yes I'm aware that Luca has been on bugs, but I think if bugs is scum they are probably being bu
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seed). If I have time and no one hammers, I can go through why I only think Luca can be their partner.
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Post #513 (isolation #56) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:14 am
Postby Madoka »
In post 469, shiki wrote:why would hiraki, as scum with no pressure on him, push someone who vaguely scumreads him but is not acting on that scumread at all into pushing on him and voting? this does not make sense to me.
Have you only read Hiraki town games? I think this is Hiraki's scum play. He did the same with someone who's name started with an F in the scum game I read. I'll look back if I have time.