Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

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hey mena, nom ico!

skitter30 standing V/LA Fridays and Saturdays.

VOTE: quagsire

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yeah those are going to be annoying af

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hi nom!
when's the last time i actually played with you?

pedit sigh

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hi nom!
when's the last time i actually played with you?

pedit sigh

you said hi to me twice, suspicious....
also I think it was in venrob PYP

i was feeling enthusiastic about playing with you again

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also excited to play with the amazing skitter, its been awhile since I actually played in a mafia game with skitter and actually cared about it even remotely seriously.

hi skitt

hi!

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Alduskkel, Luca Blight, Heaven

VOTE: Alduskkel

do you think there's scum in the players not voting?

also i'm going to repeat that the giant gifs are really really really annoying

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also

mental health vla for a couple of days

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y aldu

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i don't really get much out of his entrance either way

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Alduskkel, Luca Blight, Heaven

VOTE: Alduskkel

do you think there's scum in the players not voting?

also i'm going to repeat that the giant gifs are really really really annoying

* this was meant to ask if they thought there's scum in the players who hadn't posted yet

[skitter30]

I let my heart guide me
my heart was like "this post stinki"
so I voted the stinki post

i don't see it

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Nice to see skitter again after she gave me a heart attack last time I played scum and nom3, who inherited that heart attack.

Luckily, my scum abilities have doubled since last we met. Not that it's relevant, or anything.

have you played since that game?

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hmmmm
tentative townpings on heaven

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hmmmm
tentative townpings on heaven

what's different from that one micro you played with him where I replaced him
you caught him fairly quickly there so I'm curious

he doesn't sound like a robot who is forcing himself to write each post so that he doesn't get replaced

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VOTE: Luca Blight

@skitter30: I have no idea.

ok so why'd you list those players in that post then?

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why are people always so afraid of L-1s

sorry, why is the heaven wagon a thing exactly?
also you feel p weird here

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also you feel p weird here

Y

the whole l-1 lolhammer thing was not great
i've never seen that from you before
you're being more like ~cavalier~ than i'm used to. like not caring about consequences as much i guess. and doing a l-1 just to see if a lolhammer will happen or not is kinda meh

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hmmmm
tentative townpings on heaven

from where ?

it's a tone thing, he feels kinda not awkward

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he doesn't sound like a robot who is forcing himself to write each post so that he doesn't get replaced

where do you think he's being awkward @mena

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i have literally no idea since i've never seen it before.
hence weird

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this was really out of nowhere emotional escalation

uh no i kinda agree with him? the first page was weird af

this feels like it's leaning a little too hard into the "fake claiming scum as scum" joke

there's a certain level of forthrightness / 'not caring about how i'm perceived' in that post that was entirely lacking in that micro
and given that i caught him in like the 5 posts he'd made when i repped in for having an awkward tone ... if he were scum here i'd expect an awkward/forced tone again, especially when he was talking about that game, given how he's said he hasn't played since

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this was really out of nowhere emotional escalation

also it's not an emotional escalation?
i dont' get what your problem is here really

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let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

this is just a personal note but this kind of rvs post/vote is scummy as fuck

y tho

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i have literally no idea since i've never seen it before.
hence weird

okay but like in general, what which alignment do you think cares more about perceptions

probably scum

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the whole point of rvs is that for scums the first vote is never random
so voting someone's that's not in the game and saying "haha it's just a joke guys" is kind of a red flag and just sounds like scum avoiding any kind of association

lol no
it was like post 6, there wasn't really anything else to make a vote on yet
and town make these kind of rvs votes all the time

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the whole point of rvs is that for scums the first vote is never random
so voting someone's that's not in the game and saying "haha it's just a joke guys" is kind of a red flag and just sounds like scum avoiding any kind of association

wait i just realized he voted ico who's not actually in the game but who i thought was for some reason

either way i don't think it's scummy to do that, it's like nai

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this was really out of nowhere emotional escalation

also it's not an emotional escalation?
i dont' get what your problem is here really

it's like ~charged~ but it's coming from nowhere and that just feels off

idk if I can explain it more than that

i dont' think it felt charged really
i don't really like this take from nom

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Subject: Micro 889 | Good Jams Mafia | GAME OVER

ok holden is a decent townread
getting gut-town pings on blatant scum

if volxen never posts wobat is probably scum
heaven is pinging me the wrong way

wherein i caught both scum upon catching up upon repping in

if you continue reading my iso my main cause against heaven was that his posts were weirdly awkward

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@skitt @furret what are your opinions on nomx3's scumgame?

really good scumgame, good at ate, i'm not super great at catching her
i think we only had games where she was scum
one i was super pocketed and she endgamed me
the other was the micro i just linked wherein she repped heaven when he repped out. i was pushing the slot but mainly because of heaven; nom couldn't turn it around at that point

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idk man people seem to think I'm stupid as fuck when it comes to scumhunting but what I say makes sense for me god damn it :/
hard to make people follow wagons with me when they hardly understand my reasonings and it's irritating

i mean agree with you that mena's heaven l-1 thing was weird but your take on his rvs post was bad

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ok i'm going to pretend to do my job now, later

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i'm sorry i'll try really hard to catch up before i go to sleep but i'm not sure i'll be able to

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hi i think i will have some time this afternoon

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ok i have like an hour, we'll see how far i get

- @ mena i don't think that scum!heaven would necessarily be able to change his tone just cuz he knows i caught him that way last time; just because you know your scumgame is lacking doesn't mean that you have the capability of changing it just then (173)

- @ mena nom i think has a fairly wide scumread; i don't think she's out of it yet (175)

- i'm a little surprised at how fast the heaven wagon deflated just basically for me saying that i thought he was townie. quagsire's unvote in particular is pinging me but i don't know why rn (207)

- @quagsire (209) bravado wasn't quite the right word exactly. it was more like he was being cavalier? like he didn't care about a lolhammer, and was even like actively promoting it. i think it's in his scumrange to fake that

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it especially hurts from skit considering I like playing with her and I hate to think that she maybe thinks I'm bad as town
urgh

ummmmm
this feels like ate and like you were trying to get me to back off

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ok i'm giving up on the trying to minimize the size of the wallposts

it's not weak
you just seem to give townreads left and right without any explanation, spend your time specifically make a case on me and you don't even vote me
that gives me a lot of pings

he wasn't giving townreads left and right, he gave like 2.5
why is important that he didn't explain them
and ok i can kinda understand the lack of vote one but the rest of this seems like a cross between a misrep and overreaction

I'm suspicious of people who give townreads left and right because that's generally ultra scummy especially without much rationale behind it, especially in the context of micros where there is a lot more emphasis of finding other townies rather than minis and larges

ok but this didn't like happen; he gave like 2.5 townreads
also i kinda disgree with the premise of your argument here

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You’re openwolfing. Town!Nom would not want to 1v1 someone over this lol

although i'm not actually sure town!nom wouldn't
her rvs mena push was bad
and i dislike her scumread of you here
but i'm not sure forcing a 1v1 is scummy for her

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I don't care if they're light townreads I refuse to believe anyone from this table has a 100% good way to discern skitter's alignment early on d1 and I say this as someone who's been studying how she plays for a while
what kind of read is "she makes sense" anyway, that's not even a read

he didn't espouse a townread on me, he said he thinks my posts make sense, which is not at all the same thing.
you're again doing this weird strawman thing

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i think luka comes off much better than nom here

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S{Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

wait where did the quag scumread come from?
why are you scumreading heaven, i think the slot is townie for him

and new post now

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Tentatively:

Quagsire
Heaven

Skitt
Nomx3
Looker

Furret

Aldus
Luca

why are you townreading quagsire?

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VOTE: luca

i dont' understand this vote, i thought luca came off signifccantly better than nom there

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I agree Luca comes across opportunistic this game but also like, not obviously town? Whereas I think Luca as town normally reads very obviously town

i don't really read him as oppurtunistic at all and i also am not sure i agree that he always comes across as obviously town when town

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i literally don't have a read on furret

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and ahhh reading about you guys talking about me

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uh i'm actually kinda baffled by mena/furret's luca votes here

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also it doesn't even take that much bravado to put someone at L-1 at this stage so there's that too

well it wasn't the fact that he wanted l-1's it's more the fact that he was provoking a lolhammer/indicated he was fine with that happening

hey how much (recent) mafia experience do you have?

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I'm on page 11 and nomnomnom looks like lynchbait

why are you townreading her?

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ok i ahd to take a phone call and this is how far i got before i now need to bounce but i should have more time over the weekend ^

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ok i don't think a post-by-post is going to happen and i want to get caught up, so just key thoughts as i read through.

- while i think nom's part of the argument was p bad, i think that at least some of the things luca is scumreading her for is nai; the 1v1 i can see her doing as either alignment, and unfortunately some of the ate too
the stuff she brought up about me was weird tho

- the luca wagon was p bad imo, and i think that quag's vote was one of the worst, as was his reaction to the claim / lack of unvote

- i believe luca's claim

- @nom (382). neap with a neighborhood makes a lot of sense, precisely because it gives false positives and that's in vogue these days. i'd actually expect there to be scum in {furret/nom} given neap. or if not at least one scum has some kind of pr to give scum a way to hide behind a truthful claim. i don't super like that you're shading the claim in this way. also if he's scum fake-claiming, what, scum were informed that there's a neighborhood? so he knew to fake-claim nea? and why'd he fake-claim nea at that point and not some other pr? also i think the macho bit makes it more likely to be true, and not less

- i'm having a lot of trouble getting anything out of luca vs nom round 2 and 3

- @quag, why did your unvote of luca come in 491 and not when he first claimed?

- i'm not sure that looker's luca vote in 515 comes from scum

- aldu's catchup is p icky

thru bottom of page 21 ^

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My impression is that nom has been somewhat emotional/confrontational which has attracted votes but I don't think there's scum motive. Why try to provoke Luca into a 1v1 instead of deflecting? In a Luca vs. nom battle I think Luca is more likely to win and I think nom knows that as scum. As town, if she thinks Luca's scum then it might be an uphill battle but at least she's pursuing scum.

i think she's fully capable of forcing the 1v1 as either alignment and i'm not sure she thinks that luca is liable to win if she's scum

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I really don’t understand her vote on me, though

yeah i think it's too lolrandom to come from scum there; like lolvoting a pr claim once it's been p accepted for little gain is not really something scum do most of the time; there's no way he thinks it actually gains traction there

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I felt like people were ignoring him but the wagons he jumped on always made it to L-1/L-2 (Heaven, Luca). I don't remember Heaven; you've been gone for a while. I probably thought he was lurking on purpose.

i literally don't remember his early play beyond for the obnoxious gif pokeomon things
but he had several things i disliked while i was catching up

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oh and heaven i was townreading because his tone felt ridiculously different in comparison to his last scumgame wherein i caught him on tone. i think he's probably town for that
i don't know who the new!heaven is

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hey skitter

hey

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i think she believed what she was posting she would, beacuse she fundementally would disagree that the reasoning was poor
now whether or not she actually believes most of her argument against you is a different story

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As for Chemist and Looker, I think Looker is scummy for reasons stated above, and Chemist for his predecessor, Heaven.

VOTE: Chemist1422

wrong

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2. I don't scumread Luca, catching up, one post I really liked was:

this gives me townpings on george ^

i don't especially agree with george's readslist tho

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Chancellor Alduskkel. Catching scum lords is my speciality.

This particularly was right after he was being brought up to L-2.

i don't see it? why does this make thier reaction to the wagon seem bad to you?

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i'm very likely going to be voting there but let me just finish reading to get into like ~real-time~ again

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Ur already voting it I think

oh lol
i haven't been here in a while sorry

i don't really have any thoughts on aldu

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ok i'm caught up
i will admit to having skimmed some pages tho, esp. pages with nom v luca or large obnoxious images/gifs

i'm roughly hereabouts:

{luca}
{new!heaven (chemist?)}
{george, looker}
{aldu, furret} - null
{nom}
{quag}

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yep i'm on quag already

can people start consolidating wagons? we're starting to get close-ish to deadline

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ok that's p encouraging

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aldu i just don't have a read on
chemist i very very strongly think is town because of heaven

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skitter's interaction with Mena on page 6 is pretty towny (for skitter not Mena)

also happy scumday datisi

@ali yeah i can see that
reading his iso again
@chemist why/how was i townie there?

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@quag, why did your unvote of luca come in 491 and not when he first claimed?

i wanted to get reactions, liked the luca wagon at the time. i wasn't actually expecting nor asking him to claim though.

he was at l-1 , he claimed a town invest, and you just kinda left the wagon hanging and didn't do anything about it

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okay it may be weird but is it scum weird or town weird?

uhhh scum weird.
i think that town unvotes there

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I’ve agreed with nearly everything Skitter has said so far, but that’s happened before when she was scum so I’d wait until later in the game to get a firm read (not that I’ll live that long).

fair enough, i'm probably not out of my scumrange yet

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I'm unsure about Quags, but it sure does look like today's lynch rn
I hate running out of time like this

this is scummy ^

also i feel like you've ignored the points i made about you in my catchup

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I'd rather have the wagon on Ald because I feel somewhat more confident there than Quags
I just have mixed feeling on Quags. In an ideal world I'd like to be more convinced to go there because like, argh...
It just doesn't feel good to tell myself to vote there

uhhhhh i mean ok?
why do you dislike ald more than quags? i have like no thoughts on ald which is slightly worrying but he isn't my top lynch by a fairly strong margin.
why do you have mixed feelings on quags, what do you like about him?

this feels svs with quags tbh

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What do you really want me to say about them
it's not like I'm on the spotlight and the discussion is pretty much "quag yes or not" for me

i think u were using ate to try to get out of ur argument with luca
and to try to get me to townread you

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I haven’t thought about your main once tbh
I kind of just have reasons to townread everyone else

okay so say i flip town then. are you just gonna say "well i was wrong on that time to lynch the next one in my poe" or are you gonna reevaluate some of the people you're townreading?

this feels very townie to me, more interested in sorting than survivalism is v pro town, even though I recognize that this can be abused and I've abused this as scum in the past
Does Quag look like someone who would pull that sort of string off as scum? Possibly, but I feel unlikely

i mean is this the only think you like out of his iso? that's p fakeable

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It seems odd to claim it when you can simply not claim it and let scums go paranoid over a protective
Plus if I need to think in terms of fakeclaim and scum gameplans claiming macho DEFINITELY puts a halt to your wagon except if people really don't trust your claim considering that people will think that you will die the next night if you're town so that at least buys a gamephase for scums which is why I am distrusting of these claims. I'd consider that as scum at least.

it looks like he just claimed since he was put at l-1 unexpectedly and was going out and was worried about not being able to claim before getting hammered so just claimed everything

i think the claim was fine

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I'm not trying to get read any way I am trying to ask myself if I want to put quag at L-1 or not
I feel I'm being setup somewhere in this story anyway

again why exactly are you townreading quag ?
and who's setting you up exactly

are you scum, skitt?

no r u ?

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I feel Nom/Quags could be S/S, but I also feel Nom could be white-knighting.

I’d feel happier with a Nom lynch today.

i guess i'm not sure why scum!nom decides to just make a thing about not voting the popular town!quag mislynch rn
in the current gamestate it's fairly popular and people are starting to want eod so i don't think it would be questioned that much
whereas by taking this route she's making a big stink that is getting pushback
and i don't know why she picks the harder route as scum here

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Man I'm really getting an awful feeling about you right now
it almost feels like you know how Quag's going to flip and I am being lined up right next behind him
this is unsettling

me or luca

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again why exactly are you townreading quag ?
and who's setting you up exactly

I'm not exactly townreading him but I'd really rather have a wagon going on Ald right now
Quag's mindset can come from town, I don't feel good about all this
also I think you're being manipulative right now, I just get that vibe from you

again can you point to townie!posts
and i'm not being manipulative rn, thank you
how am i being manipulative?

also @luca i'm not sure why she doesn't back down here if she's whiteknighting town!quag given that she's getting a fair amount of pushback
like this is a dumb hill to die on if she's scum with town!quag

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you

so you think i'm bussing my partner in order to line up a lynch on you tomorrow?
because otherwise this argument doesn't make sense

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vote me then, because no offense that sounds like a load of bs

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it's such a dumb stance for her to take as scum tho
this whole argument is dumb ...

like i don't know how anyone can look at what i've said and done and come out with the conclusion that i'm bussing my partner to set up a mislynch on her yesterday
like i don't even know what to do with that

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Man I'm really getting an awful feeling about you right now
it almost feels like you know how Quag's going to flip and I am being lined up right next behind him
this is unsettling

you literally said it right here ^^^

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that's the only way that post makes sense

and no i'm not being manipulative, i'm trying to understand what you mean with these bs arguments and if they can even come from town

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vote me then, because no offense that sounds like a load of bs

it's such a dumb stance for her to take as scum tho
this whole argument is dumb ...

like i don't know how anyone can look at what i've said and done and come out with the conclusion that i'm bussing my partner to set up a mislynch on her yesterday
like i don't even know what to do with that

very simple question skitter
Do you think there’s town motivation behind the action?

i'm trying to figure that out and i'm leaning towards no

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VOTE: nom

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VOTE: skit
depressing gamestate

lol no

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the ultimate bad feels state when you're getting wagoned for refusing to put the popular wagon at L-1

that's not why you're getting wagoned, don't be revisionist

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i'm p sure one of my sigs came from the game i beat him as scum

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this is why i feel distrustful of the quags wagon in the first place
this whole thing makes me feel there's scum involvement in there and if there's one person in this whole thing that does that, it's skitt
do you get what I'm saying here? I feel like I'm getting played

are you just objecting to the quag lynch cuz i want it ...
cuz otherwise i don't get what your problem is with it really

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what was the second time?
i'm just remembering that mini normal where i calimed vanilla cop or something

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for liek the third time i'm not wagoning you because you refused to vote there
i'm wagoning you because your arguments are reachy and don't make sense
incidentally that happens to involve the quag wagon but that wasn't the instigator of the vote

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what was the second time?
i'm just remembering that mini normal where i calimed vanilla cop or something

In the PYP, I beat you in LYLO

ah right

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It's not reaching god damn it
where is the reaching do you even know what that term means
you've been confbiasing the hell out of your ass this game on my slot dude and people are starting to abuse it
you've been doing this in every game I've been with you, you have no idea how frustrating this is, you just can't be rationalized

i'm not sure if this is towards me or luca
but you basically just accused me of bussing my partner in order to mislynch you tomorrow
like in what universe does this make sense
that's like the definition of reaching

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honestly noms is like super obvtown

because ...

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Both these votes are extremely bad is my point
once again, I think Ald comes off as 100x more scummy than Quag here
The coasting is real

no? you seem to be just making declaritive statements and expecting everyone else to accept them as true, and refusing to quantify or explain further when people ask you to

like it seems like it's more convenient for you to think ald is scummy, so you're saying that, but you can't explain why or give me a give reason to see this

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It's not his vote in particular it's his entire ISO
he's literally letting the game coast while the gamestate devolves into a QuagvMe situation whereas quag has been involved in the discussion and other slots have been involved in the discussion as well
from the gamestate alone Ald looks scum as hell here
Please just go look at his ISO and tell me how this is town

this is retrospective,
like you came up with your position
later the quagvyou situation happened
and then you used that to justify a position you held in the past

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this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible

this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.

looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.

this is the exact opposite of a gamestate where scum are complacent wrt your lynch
the game became *more* conflict-y once you got run up

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This really is s/s.

yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.

like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.

from my pov you look svs tho
it's not helpful to me to give an argument that is only true from your pov

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No I'm just frustrated and I think luca is being abused for his confbias by scum
my first thought is that you had someone to do with that because I seriously don't trust you

What's your read on furret?

i mean so am i the scum that is abusing luca's confbias?
i don't get what that has to do with the chainlynching quag into you thing

furret is weakly town
mostly for having a similar pov as me before i got here
i wouldn't lynch em today

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how is it more convenient to think Ald is scummy when I could have put Quag at L-1 if I wanted to?????

because at this point you've thrown in your lot with quag and it would look p awful if you dropped it so you gotta find alternative lynch options

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:shrug:
i do'nt like the alternative lynch options you're presenting me with, i'm p happy with my vote for now
i'd switch to quag too but that's basically who i see myself lynching today

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the game got conflict-y because of noms resisting my wagon

and the noms vs. luca situation. nearly everyone was scumreading me up until that point so i have no doubt that a lynch on me goes through easily if noms doesn't resist my wagon.

right, that's my point ...
i also don't think that everyone was scumreading you prior to that, it was like {me, furret, luca} iirc

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ok, fair enough, i'm the only one who knows my alignment for sure except for scum.

assume i flip town, then what?

still nom because I think her play today is bad irregardless of your alignment
but i'd also be looking at aldu and looker

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and nom meanwhile has maintained a suspicion on both me and Quag while always favoring me over Quag

right, hence why they look svs

@skitter: Can I get your opinion on Looker's vote on Luca after Luca claimed? Also, what'd you get out of my answer to your question here?

I'm p sure I talked about this vote already but I think it's low-key townie; it doesn't a feel like a vote that scum would make because it's too blatant / attention-grabbing

Also, what'd you get out of my answer to your question here?

you feel a little like ~stilted~
or like off-tempo with the rest of the game and not keying in on the same things that everyone else is
I saw that you had an older join date so I was wondering if you might not have played super much recently in current site meta, which seems to be the same, which might explain some of the weirdness

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Captain seemed pretty town when we were discussing Looker and Quagsire, even if we didn't end up fully agreeing. Like, I felt there was a genuine attempt at sorting me + trying to explain their reads. Skitter has had good takes on the game and I don't really see a scum agenda behind her posts.

Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.

I'm also more confident in the accuracy of my townreads than my scumreads.

I'm kinda fascinated in how that has become a thing

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I don’t know, that’s the one thing that throws me off about that slot, but everything else seems relatively townie.

I mean, do u really think scum make that vote?

it's like too ~blatant~ to come from scum imo

[skitter30]

Luca is just confbiased and I feel scums are warping around him and abusing the tide against me and Quags
We need to consolidate elsewhere and discuss our options.

nom I kinda hate how you've been like ~obliquely~ calling me scum by saying scum are taking advantage of luca confbiasing
and like you're lumping me together in a group with ali
but you're not really pushing me and backed off when I told you too

[skitter30]

being scum with skitter?
Sign me up!

[skitter30]

I'm starting to believe that once again skitter has been traumatized by my scumgame enough that she starts thinking I could be scum this game
you on the other hand you've been shaky with your read on me and changing it plenty while dodging important things

I think that waving away my read by basically reducing it to paranoia is scummy when I've brought up several legitimate concerns with your play this game that you've largely failed to address

[skitter30]

I kind of believe something similar. Mostly off the basis of I can use flips to help solve you

fair enough
it's just kinda weird where it's gotten to the point that people I've never played with before say things like this lol

[skitter30]

Looker this wagon on me is literally because I refuse to vote quags
Literally 3 people on my wagon have stated they would rather get Quags yet I am at L-1 what the fuck is this shit!!!!!!!!!!
I am literally mindfucked by this gamestate what the hell guys

I mean if you're town shouldn't this indicate that there's some fucky resistance on quags

[skitter30]

Captain the Furret (3): Quagsire, nomnomnom, Chemist1422

I still think that quag/nom makes the most sense; it seems they're trying super hard to make you viable here

you think chemist is a potential nom partner?
he did have those weird posts townreading her upon rep-in iirc
but I really don't think heaven is scum tbh

[skitter30]

I kind of believe something similar. Mostly off the basis of I can use flips to help solve you

fair enough
it's just kinda weird where it's gotten to the point that people I've never played with before say things like this lol

You can probably do something similar with RC, which is cool an all, but you have to actually lynch RC and thats something completely different.

rc is basically at the point where if he lunches town twice he's probably just scum
but lynching ~him~ afterwards is non-trivial

[skitter30]

I think I also realized the real reason scum!furret pushes me here
we're neighbors
making me flip now removes the possibility that he ever flips scum and that I am confirmed as town as a result.
That's it!!! holy shit, that explains the sudden weirdo change of read out of nowhere as soon as people started expressing interest on my slot

Furret is 100% fucking scum here

wut

[skitter30]

nom's posting since being put at L-1 is super towny and it's basically locked in my prior townread

ok why is it super townie exactly?

[skitter30]

Looker this wagon on me is literally because I refuse to vote quags
Literally 3 people on my wagon have stated they would rather get Quags yet I am at L-1 what the fuck is this shit!!!!!!!!!!
I am literally mindfucked by this gamestate what the hell guys

I mean if you're town shouldn't this indicate that there's some fucky resistance on quags

I resisted Quags and this is the result that happened from it
The thing that is mindfucky is people saying that they would vote quags, but those same people INCLUDING YOU are currently voting me, which is the weirdest stuff I've seen
I've literally never seen that

ok
so if the people saying they'd vote quags aren't
and are instead voting you
doesn't that mean that either people are trying to avoid voting quags or that they find you scummier (or that they're saying they find you scummier)?

[skitter30]

I haven't been played with skitter since that one multiball game on my alt where I basically lolcatted because I replaced into a scum slot, and I HATE multiball with a burning passion, especially being scum in multiball.

oh the game that I spent like a month irl shouting you were scum and like nobody listened to me? it was like fire or ice or something

I think we played in a micro in like my second or third game on site but other than that i don't think i played with you

[skitter30]

all the stuff that happened in the hood isn't super helpful to me because i didn't see it happen i don't know if it's being reported accurately

[skitter30]

Literally analyzing the mood of skitter before throwing a vote on me.
At this point Furret has not voted me yet and is basically doing the equivalent of "vote there I will sheep you".
This is insanely scummy. There is absolutely no conviction on furret's slot concerning his vote, it's literally all sheeping and convincing others I am a good lynch before voting me in the first place

hmmmm

[skitter30]

no that means that the 2 wagons are replaceable and that some people are sheeping it because Luca is on it
That's my take on all this

you know what that actually makes some sense coming from town!you's pov

[skitter30]

I rest my case. If you can't see that furret is coasting this gamestate through and trying to push a Quag/Me lynch by sheeping Luca, I can't do much for you.

I'm kinda confused why you've settled on Ali!scum and not me!scum

[skitter30]

If I am still somehow lynched because of astronomically dumb reasons PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LYNCH FURRET
If I see that you idiots still manage to not vote there tomorrow if I get lynched and get roped into a Quag lynch because of your confbiasing asses I will be very very mad
Just please for the love of god this game is tiring sometimes

i actually kinda think that most of what nom is pushing is ridiculous
but that she's kinda maybe out of her scum!are range

but I'm also super awful at reading this sort of ate and i know I've been hoodwinked before so i'm not sure i really want to base an unvote on this

[skitter30]

Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.

I'm starting to get this sort of thing a lot @quag

[skitter30]

no that means that the 2 wagons are replaceable and that some people are sheeping it because Luca is on it
That's my take on all this

you know what that actually makes some sense coming from town!you's pov

This is what I've been trying to say for a while now
the literal only reason there is no more wagon on quag is because Luca has started voting me and then you two switched from quag to me, despite both of you saying you preferred lynching Quag (I can literally pull the post you said that)
otherwise you would still be on Quag right now waiting for someone to put him at L-1 because of Luca's weird obsession with wanting to hammer
that movement was scummy as fuck and my mind instantly jumped on you at the time

i mean for me what changed at the time is that you started posting things that looked like you were just throwing stuff at the wall to see what you could get to stick
like the things you posted made rather little sense
so i switched from quag to you

[skitter30]

VOTE: Furret

I guess we can give this a shot and see how it unfolds

p-edit: okay that's a gen 1 game song for a gen 2 pokemon

well this is an icky vote

[skitter30]

Skitter
she's just scum.

no offense to noms, but AtE isn't something that should be townread easily. I've played with Old!FA, RC, and LLD enough to learn that.

i actually think that the multiple freakouts are probably townie :/

[skitter30]

I don't know is my tone really coming off as desperate when I get emotional about stuff???
I think that explains a lot of my recent games if this is why you're voting me right now

you freak out and idk how to read ate and it makes it hard af to read you

I'm a little nervous rn cuz both you and Ali are appealing to me

[skitter30]

Skitt what do you think of my case overall
in the end I only got small reactions to one or two points

i feel like a lot of it is based off of thing that i didn't personally see happening so it's hard fo me to judge

[skitter30]

like, I get the hesitation, it takes a LONG time to build up a resistance to AtE and that resistance still kind of breaks for me atm.

But, its not town, and honestly, you should just look at her case for that.
Its kinda bad.

bleh idk I'm really bad at this

I'm going to take another look at the case now

[skitter30]

probably town but i'm starting to get nervous I'm getting buddied

[skitter30]

um i think that actually makes some kinda of sense with the macho ?

[skitter30]

yeah i'm a little confused why that prompted more voting, are you cc'ing?

[skitter30]

oh sweet pagetop

[skitter30]

i mean if there's a macho i would kinda expect there to be a {protective} of some sort so i think we can expect a cc if Ali is lying
otherwise it's probably real

[skitter30]

yeah i think i'm fine with my vote for now

[skitter30]

i'll be back momentarily

[skitter30]

because thats what town does here
scum pushes further insisting its a fakeclaim

I've even DONE this exact move before

you know what else i've seen scum do? fake claim a protective when there's a bunch of macho roles in the game

can we all agree that we should lynch in {noms, furret} today and if one flips town then the other is probably scum?

yeah but i feel like bg is a risky thing for scum to fake here given that there is a decent chance there is a real {protective}

[skitter30]

VOTE: Aldus

this isn't helpful really at this juncture

[skitter30]

anyways i need to think about this more. in the meantime, i need to go find my son wooper. i know he's around here somewhere.

pedit: at this point i figured it would be obvious who i am

wait i think i figured it out

[skitter30]

ok at this point i think i just want everyone to check in to ensure no cc's

[skitter30]

i mean it's fairly obviously that I'm not cc'ing here

[skitter30]

Alright Skitter, let’s talk.
No lynches before me and Skitter get to talk this out fully

i'll be here tonight ... i have a long and frustrating day at work ahead of me

[skitter30]

Alright Skitter, let’s talk.
No lynches before me and Skitter get to talk this out fully

I'm around for the next 45 min or so
I havent reread anything overnight but i'm leaning towards voting quag rn

Looker i think is prob town
Ali is town
Chemist ... i really do think heaven was townposting for them but chemist's associatives are awful and i'm wondering if i'm putting too much stock in heaven's posts
I literally dont remember what i thought about aldu
I think gb is maybe town ?

I think {quag, chemist, aldu} solves the game
With a small chance of it being gb but i dont think this is super likely

[skitter30]

Tho if that fight with noms super early was theater between nom v mena, I kind of feel like its more relevant?

Right, that was a thing. Gun-to-head that wasnt theater imo
What do u like about aldu?

[skitter30]

aldus probably town? the basis for my scumread on them doesn't hold up anymore since nom flipped scum

Can you elaborate on this plz?

[skitter30]

I'm like 99% sure we should lynch Quagsire today.

I am curious how certain skitter is that Chemist/Heaven is town. If we can set that slot aside as town then the game becomes a lot cleaner, because I'm also 99% sure that skitter and Captain are town. A lynch order of Quag-->Me-->George is nearly a guaranteed win in that case. (Including my own lynch since I'm definitely in the scummier half of the playerlist.)

Ok actually this is a townie entrance ^

[skitter30]

I have to reread his iso

[skitter30]

I plan on mapping out Looker and Aldusk
Maybe we can get a Quag map goin

Once we have the maps done, we can discuss who is likely to be scum with noms.
I think it’ll be easier once we have everyone’s progression out in the open

Sounds like a plan

[skitter30]

VOTE: GB

I dont like this vote

[skitter30]

Are Amrun and skitter30 the same person?

Also: Just because you don't understand someone, does that make them scum? Can I lynch someone solely because they don't play the way I like?

No

[skitter30]

I guess the thing with quad, which i raised before, is that i dont know why nom goes out on a limb to defend him, thus putting herself in a shitty position in the gamestate, if he *wasn't* her partner

And uh chemist dancing around the nom wagon is p bad

[skitter30]

My impression is that nom has been somewhat emotional/confrontational which has attracted votes but I don't think there's scum motive. Why try to provoke Luca into a 1v1 instead of deflecting? In a Luca vs. nom battle I think Luca is more likely to win and I think nom knows that as scum. As town, if she thinks Luca's scum then it might be an uphill battle but at least she's pursuing scum.

I don't agree with what she's said about Luca, but I can see the reasoning behind it. And like I've said previously, I don't think nom was "coasting" on the menalque wagon because she was engaging with him.

I think that on its face the 'nom is lynchbait' take from aldu is p bad, but fleshed out a bit here i actually kinda like it

[skitter30]

I think I want to rule out George and Noms
If we’re going by the map Chemist posted, Mena really never had a solid stance on noms and I feel like scum!mena has a more solidified stance on noms

I'm still kinda getting used to reading that sort of map and i'm not sure i understand the system well enough yet to draw conclusions from it

I do think that the nom/mena fight on like p7 was anti svs tho, it looked like nom was looking for reasons to have a scumread on mena tbere so she could push him and its a weird way to distance from a partner

[skitter30]

Ok i looked at aldu's iso again
And while i dont agree with a lot of his takes he feels good tonewise
So not super interested in him rn

[skitter30]

VOTE: quag
I'm going to start here i think

[skitter30]

Yeah like his takes are kinda wild but i can kinda tell he's thought about them, even if not like in the conventional way, if that makes sense

[skitter30]

Aldu ^

[skitter30]

Honestly
I kind of just think Quag concedes if he’s scum here.
Like, he came into the day really defeated. More times then not demoralized town or scum. I’ve been there before.

Yeah ... i felt the defeatism too
Like aldu's entrance kinda had a similar message to quag's but the tone was super different

Not sure if he just concedes here; most scum at least try to put up a fight ime

[skitter30]

K

[skitter30]

Looker why the unvote there ?

[skitter30]

Official Vote Count 2.02

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With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lynching

GeorgeBailey

(2): Chemist1422, Looker

Quagsire

(1): skitter30

Looker

(1): GeorgeBailey

Not Voting

(3): Alduskkel, Quagsire, Captain the Furret

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-09 13:45:00).

Mod notes:

• skitter30 standing V/LA Fridays and Saturdays.

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Prodge until tomorrow night, i'm sorry

[skitter30]

So he unvoted when the wagon got too hot? Sounds good to me.

VOTE: Looker

um this is an awful vote

[skitter30]

Something happened to change my view of that wagon.

ok so can you elaborate on what happened there?

[skitter30]

I guess the thing with quad, which i raised before, is that i dont know why nom goes out on a limb to defend him, thus putting herself in a shitty position in the gamestate, if he *wasn't* her partner

that's what i'm confused about. failed attempt to pocket me maybe? doesn't make sense when she could've just let my mislynch go through.

exactly, which is why i think there's a better than decent chance you two are svs

[skitter30]

hi

VOTE: looker

Hello

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• @GB: I checked the wiki to see if PoE meant something beyond what I thought it was - your answer is no. Also, why does anything mean anything? From my experience, this behavior had the highest probability of being town.

VOTE: Alduskkel

hi why are you voting aldu right here

I'm rather suspicious of the gb and chemist looker votes

i think that mean would be a weird nom partner but I think gb is kinda scummy

i have like one townread rn and one like maaaabye townread and i'm finding this state of affairs to be problematic

[skitter30]

^

[skitter30]

ngl i'm a little skeeved out by the looker wagon

[skitter30]

Arent you voting looker ...

Aldu and quag can u both be like voting now ?

[skitter30]

So you get why that'a kinda cog-dis-y right?

[skitter30]

VOTE: chemist
VOTE: george bailey
VOTE: quagsire

this is how i feel rn ^

[skitter30]

Interesting tactic, though, if you're scum - say my townread of you is TMI when you're actually scum. That would be impressive.

you know that tmi implies that the person who's tmi'ing is scum right? because only scum knows everyone's alignments? uninformed majority vs. informed minority etc. etc.

yeah but like i don't think this is something scum actually says tho

[skitter30]

Arent you voting looker ...

Aldu and quag can u both be like voting now ?

i want to do a full reread eventually, but for now i think i want either chemist or aldus

VOTE: alduskkel

ok why are you picking aldu over chemist?

[skitter30]

ya know what skitter
can i just hammer and leave the solving to you

can you give me ur final thoughts plz first in the event that we don't just win?

[skitter30]

i almost want to switch to chemist actually

[skitter30]

VOTE: chemist

[skitter30]

I'll be here in a few hours, apologies for my absence

[skitter30]

ok catching up now

[skitter30]

Either Looker or Quag made that kill, since Furret said this EOD:

skitter30
Alduskkel
GeorgeBailey
Quagsire
Looker
VOTE: Chemist1422

no i'm p sure furret was killed since they claimed bg

[skitter30]

forgot about this sequence of posts and the weird rvs push on menalque. i want to say this isn't svs theatre but other takes on this would be helpful.

i don't especially like gb's iso but i think that interaction of nom and mena's strongly points to town!mena

aldu is probably my strongest townread right now?
or more accurately, i guess, the person i'm least interested in lynching today?

i'm between looker/quag rn i think

[skitter30]

sighhh

i know skitter is vla but still she's the only one i can confidently say is town right now so i need to know where her head is at

doing this in the meantime

VOTE: alduskkel

yeah so this is the person i'm probably least likely to vote for today
i'm most likely going to be voting you once i'm caught up

[skitter30]

Why is Skitter town?

hi how are you reading me?

[skitter30]

although quag leaving Ald at L-1 "in the meantime" is really sketchy.

i didn't even realize that was l-1; tbf i think that today two votes is l-1 so i think i'd give that a little more leeway than the luca l-1

also today is probably massclaim day i think

[skitter30]

VOTE: Alduskkel

why exactly are you voting aldu?

[skitter30]

i want looker to articulate his reads on everyone
but i'm probably going to be voting quag i think

[skitter30]

i think i'm at

{aldu}
{gb}
{looker}
{quag}

[skitter30]

i'm not townreading him strongly so much that i think that out of you lot he's least likely to be scum, which isn't quite the same thing

he's good tonewise and just seems very ... earnest? pure? idk the right word exactly
like i read his iso and i have trouble seeing scum saying a lot of the things he has

what exactly are his bad associative with nom?

[skitter30]

I'm kinda wishful thinking that if one of u lot is some kind of pr i can probably take you out of the lynchpool since i'm not townreading any of you that strongly. Like if i were very confident about even one of you it would make me feel better about the gamestate overall

And in the event we go to lylo i'd rather avoid the possibility of a lastminute lolclaim that will need to be assessed

@quag i kinda just think that tonewise aldu is probably town. He kinda feels ~earnest~ and like he believes what he's thinking.

I'm kinda feeling like this game kinda needs a quag flip tbh

[skitter30]

VOTE: aldu

[skitter30]

Also, on another side note: What was the basis of killing GeorgeBailey? To create WIFOM and make me vote skitter? Or to create WIFOM/exploit the fact that I called skitter scum? I'm curious.

I knew neither you nor aldu would vote me, albeit for very different reaaons

Thanks datisi! Get some sleep!

Gg everyone

[skitter30]

Indeed!

I hope i lived up to your expectations ali!

[skitter30]

Dont be too hard on yourself ali

[skitter30]

I dont think anyone was really, that's why it was so interesting that it happened

[skitter30]

Also I was quagsire for those who were wondering

I guessed that midway thru !

[skitter30]

if you really know how to setup spec
you figure out the setup when luca claims macho neapolitan

We mostly did tbh

[skitter30]

When did you and skitter start "planning" for you to be lynched Day 1? If their hadn't been two claimed PRs, would you have played differently since it could have been an autoloss (depending on PRs)?

I voted her and while i was voting her the wagon became too strong for me to really unvote so at that point we just super commited to the bus

[skitter30]

Also sorry for being super absent, i had a lot of vla over the last couple of weeks

[skitter30]

anyways i need to think about this more. in the meantime, i need to go find my son wooper. i know he's around here somewhere.

pedit: at this point i figured it would be obvious who i am

wait i think i figured it out

[skitter30]

My favorite part is watching the mafia PT with skitter being all like "man this game was won with nom's lynch I'm bored" I had a hearty chuckle.

[skitter30]

I will say this: I will never trust skitter or nom ever again

also yes mafia is far superior to town and I keep rolling town

[skitter30]

Nah, it shouldnt be - everyone makes mistakes sometimes

[skitter30]

eh not *always*