Micro 934 | Hungarian Music 2 | Over

[Ame]

VOTE: Karnage

floor playing pool in the brooms

[Ame]

Shiki, Eve,

and

Kanna? It's 'bout to get lit!

[Ame]

I wanted a room with Farkran!

[Ame]

Also, everyone should declare V/LA and proxy their vote to me.

[Ame]

Get a Room: Shiki, Eve, KaS
Get a Room: Farkran

[Ame]

Get a Room: Shiki, Eve, KaS
Get a Room: Farkran

Oops

Get a Room: Ame, Shiki, Eve, KaS
Get a Room: Ame, Farkran

Shiki, have you gone into my meta?

[Ame]

I say we maximize rooms for fun

[Ame]

Get a room: Baezu, Karnage

[Ame]

get a room: eve, shiki, ame, aaronfrost/zote the mighty

[Ame]

neighborhoods are only fun for the mod.

but we can play a large game of telephone

Oh well ig u just dont know me :c

My experience with you lolhammering me after I made like two posts after replacing into a game.

And more maybe.

[Ame]

I really like this version of Aaron.

[Ame]

Get a Room: Baezu, Karnage

[Ame]

Can posting restrictions only be voted for one at a time as well? If so

Post Restriction: If a player reaches L-1, they must upload an audio clip of themselves attempting to sing Hungarian music.

Spoiler: Queue

Post Restriction: After this comes into effect, all players must post an iso analysis on a player of their choosing every 250 posts.
Post Restriction: Karnage must post a minimum of 3 sentences-worth of thoughts regarding recent content every 24 hours. 'Recent content' referring to anything that has been posted within that time frame.
Post Restriction: After this comes into effect, all players must make the statement 'V/LA proxy Ame' and may not contradict it anytime after.
Post Restriction: All players must either compliment or express their love for Ame in every post.
Post Restriction: If a player hits page top, they must post their top two scum picks in their next post.
Post Restriction: No player may hammer a player at L-1 unless all those on the wagon have given approval.

[Ame]

get a room: keiji and sara, sircakez, eve

rooms

It takes 2n-1 votes for a room: 2 people = 3 votes; 3 people = 5 votes; 4 people = 7 votes; 5 people = 9 votes

eve, karnage, keiji and sara, SirCakez

(1/7): Eve

Keiji and Sara, SirCakez, Eve

(5/5): Keiji and Sara, AaronFrost/Zote the Mighty, Farkran, shiki, Ame

<-- ROOM

Not voting

(3) SirCakez, Baezu, Karnage,

Spoiler: room eligibility

1 more today: AaronFrost/Zote the Mighty, Baezu, Karnage, SirCakez
0 more today: Farkran, shiki, Ame, Keiji and Sara, Eve

[Ame]

Did you even read them

[Ame]

Implementing them will increase victory odds.

[Ame]

btw my avatar is from a videogame

[Ame]

That's silly. Forcing good play > having faith in good play, particularly when data suggests that the latter doesn't lead to the desired outcome.

[Ame]

Also it's a feature of this game in particular that we can utilize. We can just be good at the game in every other game. Most of those were jokes, but forcing people to actually post AI/associative content is +++

[Ame]

Town would win way more of these games if everyone just played like town. But everyone doesn't

[Ame]

ok but its not fun.
forcing people to play in a certain way isn't fun for them

Which of them do you feel is unfun?

[Ame]

if you just want constant love an affection ame, all you had to do is just say so

Spoiler:

Also it's a feature of this game in particular that we can utilize. We can just be good at the game in every other game. Most of those were jokes, but forcing people to actually post AI/associative content is +++

fool!

if you have to force someone to post AI content, then there's a decent chance that person is just scum yeah?

Take my post restriction for example, is it helping you read me at all?

Not necessarily. In Boon's game, Karnage was inactive and town. And there's many players that just don't post a ton of alignment indicative content so it's hard to get a read. Also, scum tend to make it by by revealing minimum information necessary/making vague ambiguous statements. By forcing players to make solid statements, we can remove that comfort.

Your restriction is different because it's for fun (but funnily enough it is helpful because you're posting a lot more).

@Ame, which ones (if any) are you serious about? I also think forcing people to do things might demotivate them and make them not want to play. Unless it’s like funny/cute things like AF’s

The L-1 the most because almost every game I've been in someone has abruptly ended the day with a lolhammer.
Karnage because I'd like a consistent amount of content. Although tbh it's unfair of me to propose this so soon as I only have one game with him and so far he has been involved. However, I'd like to implement this for

anyone

that may end up lacking in content.
The ISO because it forces players to think about and express their reads (it doesn't have to necessarily be a post by post ISO, just like a well-thought out read on a player). Who and why people choose a certain player may also be informative.
Some version of the posting scum reads one.

The latter two I think will be valuable in terms of how people approach them.

[Ame]

I disagree with it even if it's on scum since others may have had more to say

[Ame]

Do you have an impression of Bae so far, Karnage?

[Ame]

yo can someone hammer my post restriction for Ame so i can propose something new please

I hate you, but also love you

Post Restriction: Eve must praise, compliment, or express affection for Ame in each post

[Ame]

VOTE: Farkran


Darnit, multi-posting is going to be a pinata

Post Restriction: Eve must provide praise, compliment, or express affection for Ame in each post. And these must be unique.

[Ame]

Oh I see I don't necessarily have to propose one in each post so long as I advocate for them, which I should because using post restrictions will increase our chances of winning.


@Karnage are you town reading him?

[Ame]

I like te point that Eve brought up in 296. What's your take?

Also, could you hammer my restriction? We should utilize them as much as possible.

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

bbl

Karnage post restrictions are good because it's my restriction to advocate for them. Therefore we should utilize them.

[Ame]

Kanna it's partially this* and partially the nature of the game. If used right, the hoods allow us to potentially play in a way that eliminates mafia's advantage as the

informed

minority.

*pace

Eve I don't want to put Farkran through that. I'm already exhausted by mine and it's only been a few posts! Someone should hammer mine though to redress this curse that has been placed upon me. And because of how beneficial posting restrictions are.^®

[Ame]

Also, that's the cutest emoticon ever I wanit!

Posting restrictions are our salvation!^®

[Ame]

@mod can mafia target one another with the night kill?

Kanna sensei please teach me the are of keijimoji >_<!! <---outdated, bland, featureless

My reasoning on Aaron is meta related. It's not strong and Fark seemed to not fully agree with it. I think Fark is town also for meta reasons. My vote is spiritually on Bae.

More restrictions = better health^®

[Ame]

I think I may have a game breakingish strategy :3


support your local PRs

[Ame]

art*

does anyone else ever become randomly unsubscribed from topics?

Ame, Farkran
Bae, Karnage

Farkran, Kas, Shiki
Cakes, Eve, KaS

Aaron, Ame, Eve, Shiki
Aaron, Bae, Cakes, Karnage

PR for PRfection^®

[Ame]

think I may have a game breakingish strategy

nvm

all the more reason to utilize PRs^®

[Ame]

What makes you think I wanted it? Bae hammered it before I could ask anyone not to when Eve requested it.

I am happy to support posting restrictions in any way that I can, however.^®

[Ame]

How so?

What are you asking?

A vote for PRs is a vote for town^®

[Ame]

Post Restriction: Eve may not propose any post restrictions

Need to think.

We should mainly build 2 person rooms today.

[Ame]

Cakes can you hammer that real quick. Also you think Farkran would kill the person most suspicious of him?

[Ame]

Do you guys know if KaS was guarding anyone?

[Ame]

Shiki why were you on me if Eve and KaS were?

Farkran, I'm not getting your reasoning from here or the hood. In hood you stated that I'd be scum with Eve, Cakes, or Shiki, but why would Eve or Cakes target me if they didn't know KaS was protecting me?

[Ame]

Ameeeeeeee the explanation is required now

For those not in our group, Eve is asking why I asked her to BG me. There are two parts to it:

(1) There's only one way to be sure who was targeted in the night in this game, that is for two people to be on the same person at once. There's a couple of configurations that can be made with this in mind. The one that I was trying to form between me-you-Farkran was you and Farkran on me and me on you. This way, if I died, town would know 100% that you were targeted for the kill because with two people on me there's no way I could die directly unless one of them was scum.

(2) Again, this relied upon both you and Farkran being on me. If Farkran disagreed, however, which he did, then it was still a useful way to bait the three of you in my group. If I died, you could be sure that at least one of you were scum, since you were the only ones aware that you'd be on me.

[Ame]

Ame the target:
-Farkran is scum only if Eve is scum, as killing me would look good on Eve and Farkran wasn't aware that KaS had protected me until day start. @Shiki did you inform Fark you were on me beforehand?
-Eve, Aaron, Shiki all potential scum attempting to frame one another.

KaS the target:
-Farkran unlikely scum. Two players had voiced suspicion of KaS right before the end of the night upon a Bae town flip. Scum Fark could have used this momentum to push for a KaS lynch. Furthermore, killing KaS just seems too direct.
-Cakes and Eve unlikely scum. Again, they were both indicating KaS scum if Bae town. I don't see why they would kill them if they were gearing up for a ML.
-Shiki very much likely town as killing KaS would just make me look good unnecessarily. Shiki was the only one aware that KaS was targeting me before the deadline. Also I don't see why she would claim to have been on me.

[Ame]

Although there is the potential of Fark + Shiki thinking about it. KaS told Cakes and Eve that they weren't protecting anyone and we only have Shiki and Farks word that they stated otherwise. They could have fabricated this as a way to kill KaS without it being directly tied to Fark. i.e. Kill KaS to rid of threat, then make it seem that Ame was the target.

[Ame]

They wanted either to give townpoints to Ame (hence she is included in my scumpool), or remove one of her protectors.

Right, but only you and Shiki were aware that KaS and Shiki were on me? So how do you get to Cakes and Eve?

[Ame]

Like from a scum Cake and Eve perspective targeting me would mean that I would just die.

[Ame]

Fark, your logic isn't making sense.

(1) The only people who had access to the knowledge that Shiki and KaS were on my were Shiki and yourself.
(2) Aaron and Eve were only aware that Eve was on me.
(3) Cakes and Karnage were not aware of either unless Aaron told them.

So Ame + Cakes believes Eve is protecting Ame, so they kill Ame? Why would they not kill Eve directly? They would have to have complete faith that Eve actually would follow through otherwise they may have just ended up killing Ame.
Ame + Eve believes that no one is protecting Ame...so like why would they kill Ame?

[Ame]

time's up - i want all credit for this if this flips scum

VOTE: Baezu

witnessing and letting a crime happen is as bad as being the victim's sister doing it

Also see what I mean Ali.

EVERY. GAME.

[Ame]

targeting you over Eve will get you townpoints. Killing Eve directly is suboptimal.

Shiki, do you agree or disagree with this

[Ame]

Scum kills eve, another bodyguard dies in her place

This makes sense

VOTE: Aaron

[Ame]

Ehhh... I mean... It happens more often than you'd think, and Ame knows that.

What do you mean?

[Ame]

Farkran, you and I really don't think alike.
I'd like a room with Shiki. And I'd like a room with Karnage and/or Cakes if you guys are good with it.
I just realized I'm not going to get to learn the art of Keijimoji.
Aaron, thanks to Zote the Mighty, I bought Hollow Knight the other day and I am

hooked

.

[Ame]

Get a room: Ame, Shiki

rooms

It takes 2n-1 votes for a room: 2 people = 3 votes; 3 people = 5 votes; 4 people = 7 votes

Ame, shiki

(3/3): shiki, Farkran, Ame

<-- ROOM

Not voting

(4) : SirCakez, Churros, Eve, Karnage

Spoiler: room eligibility

2 more today: Churros, Eve, Farkran, Karnage, SirCakez
1 more today: Ame, shiki
0 more today:

[Ame]

Townie End

Shiki - objectivity and reasoning
Eve - 512
Farkran - meta
Churros - reasoning
Karnage - poe
Cake - poe & 437

Scum End

VOTE: Cake

[Ame]

Ame, can you tell me everything that happened in your neighborhood with Fark?

Day
F: Why did you want to room with me
A: No reason I just like the way you and Shiki use meta
F: I don't really rely on it. I've played with Kanna, Karnage, and you. Shiki town. Karnage and Alisae suspicious. How about you?
A: I've played with everyone but Cakez, Bae, and Eve. I think I can read Aaron pretty well. Shiki is off. Any ideas on using the restrictions?
F: Get me that intel on Aaron and Eve. I think the Post restrictions are just for fun.
F: Should I reconsider Eve (referring to scum read)
A: I town read her stream of conscious and jovial style. I'm also leaning town on Aaron. [reasoning]
F: I scum lean Eve, Aaron, and Alisae.
A: I'm town leaning all three. What do you think about my Aaron points?
F: That's because you're dumb Ame. Surely you shouldn't be town reading them for these superficial reasons. Can you go into Aaron?
A: [reasoning]
A: [reads]
F: Ok that makes sense, but I think you should take into consideration x, y, z.
A: I'm going to vote for you because we need to get something going.
F: Ok I'll go along.
A: [Bae and Karnage scum spec.]
F: I think Karnage is alright, but not Bae. I'm going to vote there. Also need to look into Alisae and Eve.
F: [Alisae scum reasoning]
A: [Alisae meta]

Night
A: I'm going to guard Eve and ask her to guard me. You should guard me as well. My plan is x, y, z.
F: Ok, I think your plan is good but I'm going to guard Shiki. But I'd like to know how Eve responds. Her target was revealed in the other neighborhood.
A: I think I convinced her, but it's hard to tell with her. [Inquires about Eve target]

Day
F: KaS said they weren't protecting anyone
F: Oh actually looks like they were on you. So either the target was KaS or you.
F: @post above. Yes they said Eve wasn't going to be on anyone.
F: So random target dies if multiple people save the same person so you're only scum with Shikie, Eve, and Cakez.
A: @#518 Let's break up.

[Ame]

cross-check the hoods though

What do you mean?

[Ame]

Ame you should probably stop town reading Shiki so hard.

Town leaning her is fine but it being your top 1 TR is probably not. She has done nothing that wouldn't be easily faked if she's scum.

She's has consistently been demonstrating an objective / non-agenda-y mindset. For example 418 + 429. I had up to that point been the only one voicing suspicions of Shiki, but she supported my reasoning at the expense of the person who had been voicing the strongest town read of her. Also, her choosing to protect me at the last moment based on Eve's statements in the hood seem too particular to have come from a scum mindset. The suspicion seems genuine. Do you disagree?

Churros what do you think about Shiki/Fark team?

Did you miss 564?

what is your read on Ame shiki?

I would like the most insight possible in the reply if you can

Spoiler:

i think ame's approach to my slot was very towny. the differences she observed between my play this game and in a previous game we played together made sense to me, and the way ame asked me about it (open-endedly asking me if i felt my play early in this game was different than my play early in another) was towny in that it was not unfair or leading and it also did not allow me to know what answer she might be looking for. basically, ame seemed to have no pre-game assumption or knowledge of alignment but seemed to be investigating something she noticed. ame and i had differing interpretations of karnage's posts about my forming an early neighbourhood, but this was likely an earnest difference of opinion since others shared her view of it. while discussing ame with farkran, i looked over all of ame's games which i hadn't previously. i thought some of her posts in mini normal 2118 were comparable to the way she interacted with me about my reads on sircakez's and karnage's posts early game. from her scum game (open 774), this post:

viewtopic.php?p=11637552#p11637552

Everyone should provide exactly their top 3 town reads (no more, no less) and exactly 2 strongest scum reads.

stood out the most to me as it was very similar to one of the post restrictions she suggested:

Post Restriction: If a player hits page top, they must post their top two scum picks in their next post.

i also noted that she focused on discussing the setup instead of solving alignments at times in that game, but that seems much less pronounced here than it did there. otherwise, her play in that game seems dissimilar to her play in this game to me, as she explained her reads at a seemingly unnecessary length in that game and reacted like people were wrong for scumreading her. that last part may not be applicable here since she has not been pressured very much.

i think ame's discussion of the night kill today seems to come from an uninformed perspective and i think it would be unlikely that ame would target herself with the nightkill. i think it would also be unlikely that ame would target keiji and sara with the nightkill. overall, i think ame is more likely than not town.

I can't even begin to express how happy this makes me.

[Ame]

Churros, Fark and Shiki are the only two who have voiced support for lynching Eve, so I don't get the dichotomy of lynching Fark or Eve if you think both will flip town. We should lynch Cakez.

[Ame]

Farkran, you're willing to go Cakez so lets at least let's form competing wagons. If you and Shiki join me on Cakez, Karnage becomes the deciding vote.

[Ame]

good job grammarly

[Ame]

Cakez my 622 wasn't rhetorical.

[Ame]

'good plan' for karnage (churros's other scumread) to decide the lynch

I also think so and I think Karnage is most likely scum. I guess I'll explain why in private so as to not taint Churros' answer.

[Ame]

V/LA until Friday.

Shiki didn't protect anyone.

[Ame]

Why Churros? Also, why didn't you state your intent before hammering?

[Ame]

Yeah but why?

[Ame]

Like what about him led you to think he might be night killed? Considering Fark's flip, I'd have anticipated otherwise. Also, did you guys talk in the hood during the night?

[Ame]

Churros + Eve is possible. Churros enters the game hard town reading/casing his partner to alleviate the pressure she is experiencing while playing to my town read. I also think the Shiki kill most alludes to this.

I do find 512 convincing though. Eve is probably town regardless of Churros' alignment. @

Churros

, you hadn't thought of the reasoning presented in 512 until 510, so why were you so convinced of her alignment before then?

Churros + Karnage also has equity given the lengths Churros went into justifying not lynching him yesterday: 654. Although this is also the case with Cakez. E.g. 624 & 626.
I don't think Churros + Cakez is likely, however, due to their communication pattern. 512 + 514 for example—I don't think partner!Churros makes that elaborate of a case to convince his buddy on a town read.

Churros + Eve -

low

-

modest

Churros + Karnage -

modest

Churros + Cakez -

very low

Cakez + Karnage seems weird for Cakez to blatantly ask for his scum bud to hammer openly in thread when he could have done so privately. However, @

Cakez

why the turnaround on Karnage? I presume your read is based on his hammer, but you had directly asked him to vote so given town Fark were you expecting town!Karnage not to go that way? From town!your perspective, if he had voted the other way, he would have also voted town so I'm not getting this. @

Curros/Eve/Karnage

, what do you think of this?

Cakez + Eve I also don't think is likely based on their end of day play D1, 376 - 379. Mates aren't likely to vote in succession so early especially leading to a hammer and then voicing identical suspicions.

Cakez + Karnage -

modest

-

high

Cakez + Eve -

very low

Karnage + Eve is possible. They had soft interactions early D1. Karnage seemed to spontaneously town read Eve. And Eve may be possibly attempting to divert his lynch 711 and 712.

Karnage + Eve -

modest

-

high

[Ame]

I think the team is one of the modest or modest/high pairings. On individual reads, I still think Cakez is most likely to flip red. I don't think his view on Karnage is consistent with a town perspective.

[Ame]

@Churros and Eve, would you mind going Cakez? Karnage has the highest chance of being scum based on the possible pairings, but I don't think I'm going to get CakezScum out of my mind and I'd prefer to go him first. If he isn't scum, then we've already lost.

[Ame]

Do you not think the point I've brought up on Cakez' Karnage read is valid?

[Ame]

Also, can you answer my other question in 723.

[Ame]

What do you think of the possibility of Churros + Eve, Cakez?

[Ame]

I feel you're trying to direct the lynch from karnage to Cakez and I'm "hmm" on that.

That

is

what I am trying to do. Lynching scum gives us another round of BGs/NK to determine the other. I think Cakez is more likely to flip red so I prefer going there. I think it's probably both, but lynch Cakez is slightly more optimal from my PoV.

[Ame]

I think this is ultimately going to come down to Eve. Churros and Cakez on Karnage. Me and Karnage (out of self pres) on Cakez.

[Ame]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Ame]

UNVOTE: Cakez

[Ame]

That doesn't make sense. It only increases risk if you are scum.

[Ame]

...

[Ame]

It literally doesn't increase risk unless you are scum. The only possible way to lose through alpha there is if you are scum.

[Ame]

Is Spanish your first language?

[Ame]

Welp, there's no point in waiting then.
If this is scum, I swear I'm not his buddy.
Cakez was just optimal from my PoV.
@Cakez we should both be on Churros tonight.

VOTE: Karnage

[Ame]

Spoiler: HidAnimated gif --P

Close enough

[Ame]

Good game and good night

I have world-dominating dsjstrs to dream about

and a presentation in the morning

[Ame]

Thank you, everyone! It was a joy.

Except for betraying my friends. I don't think my mind will ever fully incorporate the "it's just a game" part of being scum.

good luck with your presentation!

Thank you, it was a disaster!

Eve, you're my ideal partner. I think my methodical style and your free flowy style create a nice dynamic, and I think your ability to open wolf while still being mostly town read is what ultimately allowed the game to progress in our favor. We also think similarly when it comes to pushes/night kills and in-game dialogue which I think allowed us to play pretty cohesively.

Zote your RP was so entertaining! I think I am about 90% through the game. I just obtained the other half of the king's charm, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with it.