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[Churros]

Drum the Drums.

[Churros]

p-edit: You ruined my entrance plotinus!!!

y-you were supposed to wait!

[Churros]

Well, anyway.

Greetings townspeople. The Guild has sent me to finish the task that Aaron saw himself not fit to complete.

I'm the holy potato knight churros, and I've come to eliminate the mafia of Junk Food City which on reports, seems to be trying to force the poor unhealthy people of this lovely town to eat vegetables instead of cheese burgues.

The Guild won't stand for this!

I, as the captain, shall slay every one of those villains!

Following my lead, you can't go to the wrong path!

[Churros]

I see Major Eve is here. What a surprise.

How many evil beings have you slayed around here Eve?

I expect to hear at least fifthy, although in an ideal world, you should have killed one scum each time your post. Maybe two.

[Churros]

WE MEET AGAIN!!!!!

We did!

You were that salesman selling cakes in that weird place where everyone had anemia and didn't want to do anything!

Such frustation mission that it was! I also suspected your cakes were poisonous and you were the mastermind all along hmm...

I'll try...to do better. The Guild apologies.

[Churros]

That said, I don't know if you're innocent here

you could technically fit many vegetables in a cake

I'll need to check you for public safety as we go along Cakez. We can't have the Fitness Cult expading its claws upon this precious greasy town.

[Churros]

Eve is more likely innocent than not out of the hood/early pages I've read.

Hmm, good. I don't think she's a witch, stop trying to burn her for today.

[Churros]

I hope Alisae plays this game

this statement is pretty scummy. it can't be properly addressed at face value and it subtly shades the keiji and sara slot (by implying alisae sometimes does not play games e joins) while masquerading as a positive statement (i hope alisae plays... because i enjoy eir presence).

how is it AI shade? he's not indicating that Alisae not playing a game is scum-indicative

i think sircakez was implying more than that, but even if not his statement gives the rest of us a negative impression of a player who hasn't posted while appearing to be a positive statement. like it was designed to make sircakez look better to us and alisae worse. that seems scummy to me.

Hmm, the guild doesn't approve of these posts.

[Churros]

Ehh I don't think that's what really got Suji caught.

Can you expand on what got Suji caught in that case and why Karnage is different enough to not arouse suspicious from you doing similar play?

[Churros]

why doesn't the guild approve?

I thought about roleplaying a bit more but hmm...I'm out of it.

over solving

i don't know how you're drawing so much from that post - i doubt sircakez was trying to make us all subconsciously think less of Alisae while keeping his intentions subtle

[Churros]

But hoods aren’t going to help you read Fark

Hi ali <3

Hoods aren't made for you to read me, they are made for me to read you

And shiki is town, this has already been confirmed

What you meant here Fark?

[Churros]

He wasn't? Ali had lurked it out in other hydra games, it was a comment about he wishing that it doesn't happen again, I feel.

Regardless of his alignment, I don't feel that post has anything to do with it. It's a personal feeling.

[Churros]

In my recently completed game Mini 2130, I talked about two low-key "tells" I had in mind about trivial things that people post/use as justification for reads.

Both were actually correct because both of the players that made the "tells" were scum. It's not as much as a real "tell" as it's me goofying around saying random actions that are more likely to come from one alignment than the other.

I'm going for fun purposes say that from my experience voting the mode or similar posts comes more often from scum than town, but it's something minor maybe, like 40% town, 60% scum.

Welcome again to the completely unprovable, reasonably stactically innacurate, random alignment tells from Churros.

I also have a pet theory that pushing Baezu when she's town is slightly scum indicative, same 40/60, although I could see 35/65 in the Baezu thing. Mafia pushes her a lot.

[Churros]

He wasn't? Ali had lurked it out in other hydra games, it was a comment about he wishing that it doesn't happen again, I feel.

Regardless of his alignment, I don't feel that post has anything to do with it. It's a personal feeling.

at the time, alisae was lurking in an ongoing game as a hydra. him drawing attention to this that cannot be responded to is scummy.

I'll not going to insist on changing your opinion, but I disagree.

I can see, depending on your profile, how you would think that however.

[Churros]

voting the mode

mod*

[Churros]

Ah yes, both of the scum in the Halloween side on Doubles Mafia also were voting Baezu I think.

My random tells are on fire...

[Churros]

I've had numerous games where I had solid reads (be they right or wrong) in 20 pages, sometimes 30, but I'm on page 14 and only have guts.

This game is unreadable with all the post restrictions, room votes, and theory discussion. Fun but unreadable. This game is equal to a page 7 or 8 game in normal conditions by page 14, and when I catch up in page 19, I doubt I'm going to feel it's any more than 9 pages. If you stretch it a lot, 10 pages.

I may not be able to have reads better than random here.

[Churros]

I doubt I'm going to feel it's any more than 9 pages. If you stretch it a lot, 10 pages.

No, 10 pages sound more useful than this.

9 pages.

[Churros]

Eve is probably not scum and if she is I actually doubt she did much scum-indicative things in thread as much as she did meme quite a bit. (roughly NAI but if you want to strictly place wheter it's townier or scummier for her, you should place it at townier I imagine).

[Churros]

Hmm

[Fark, Karnage, Cakez]

at least one wolf in the above, I feel.

[Churros]

That's not a wolf read yet though, hold your horses.

[Churros]

I'm all for having fun in the game and it's fun the post restrictions but it makes the game unreadable, really. If we're doing meme restrictions we probably should in their own text give them a short time limit.

Jokes get old fast as well. Keep that in mind.

[Churros]

I've been commanded to vote Baezu and I don't really have a reason to fight against it so
VOTE: Baezu
L-1

my SR on Fark still stands

who commanded you.

[Churros]

I don't have any idea why we've not made this setup super town sided by locking night targets either but I may not have enough energy to explain that in my casual account.

Fun Churros, focus on having fun.

[Churros]

The biggest problem with the above is the roleblocker and we could get around it by having two players target the same player.

It's so neat to analyze NK, no one used/thought/proposed that yet?

We don't even know now who Keiji and Sara targeted/why they died as far as I know. In fact that's stupid.

By leaving everyone to target whoever they want, you're leaving scum free to claim whatever they want, and gaining no info from the NKs.

[Churros]

With random night actions this game is as good as random nightkills and that tells us 0 info.

Not only that, with strategy we can counter the most townie slots from dying.

Fark/Shiki seem so tryhard but...this never crossed your mind?

[Churros]

If there's no other PRs and every townie is a bodyguard, this setup is scum sided if we don't coordinate night actions.

Behold though, because that's the first time, I ever say a currently used setup is town sided.

My mechanical philosophy is that a game should be 50/50, and I consider vanilla games perfect, but this is worse than vanilla by random bodyguard actions.

In Vanilla you gain two infos as town:

1) Day play
2) Night kills

Here by not coordinating actions, you're gaining this:

1) Day play

You're worse than vanilla 9p which is considered scum sided by current meta and has bad town WR as far as I know.

[Churros]

I ever say a currently used setup is town sided.

is scum sided*

correcting.

[Churros]

I had stopped reading when there was hammer

I'm reading now day 2 but claiming in hoods isn't enough and a random number of players targeting someone isn't enough either.

But I can let it go as long as everyone claims somewhere who they are targeting.

I don't know, I feel like I've good ideas on how to use this setup but it's too exhausting/unfun for me to explain everything.

[Churros]

I'm all caught up

I've not changed my mind on this

[Fark, Karnage, Cakez]

I'm going to mull who is the best bet for today.

[Churros]

Let' me get something right though:

1) Who was in a hood with KS?

2) What they said about their target if you were in a hood with them

3) Who else is in the Shiki/Fark hood where KS said she would target Ame?

[Churros]

@Ame, in what hoods you're in and did you receive any information during night other than what you've already said here?

[Churros]

Did Farkran coincidentally ask KaS who they were going to protect or KaS claimed on their own/out of the blue?

[Churros]

Oh, that's helpful hmm

[Churros]

Ame is likely town?

Eve I'm less confident on.

I don't feel bad about either slots though.

[Ame]
[Eve]
[shiki] - null
[Karnage]
[Fark, Cakez]

[Churros]

Did Farkran coincidentally ask KaS who they were going to protect or KaS claimed on their own/out of the blue?

keiji and sara earlier in the night stated that they told eve and sircakez that they would not be protecting anyone and that they would try to inform us of who they protected at deadline. a few minutes before the deadline they told us they protected ame.

Got it.

That was helpful.

[Churros]

In fact I'm dropping shiki from null

[Ame]
[Eve]
[---]
[Karnage, Shiki]
[Fark, Cakez]

I like shiki a bit more than karnage but I don't get her reasoning sometimes. For example saying that Eve said "shiki will roleblock me" when Eve said in the hood 'IF shiki or zota is scum, they can roleblock me"

It's poor wording of what Eve had truly said.

[Churros]

We've 10 days, that's a lot of time.

I'm going to wait now more posts to decide who to vote because I don't have enough yet.

I don't plan to change who I vote/push during this day therefore I'm going to take some cautious before it.

See you.

Eve/Ame let's claim masons.

[Churros]

I'm having trouble to see a world where Fark isn't wolf though...

Hmm...

[Churros]

It's not redundant in a game where wording/tone is a major thing to look at, but I could see why you could think it is.

Either way, I understand better that post from you now. But I don't know, I don't feel great about your slot and don't want to go super into detail why you're bugging me here yet.

[Churros]

I've no idea who is shiki's main...

[Churros]

So i think the kill was directed at Ame. I still think any!Ame would make a good towncase of Aaron

as in, why it would really...?

[Churros]

except if scum wanted to push a mislynch on me, which would point to cakez. But i don't scumread cakez - if he's scum, i'll find his partner first

why would it point to cakez?

[Churros]

The hammer is kinda, something I see town!Eve doing but still makes me shake my head and say she should stop with that kind of thing.

It's more that...I'm ok with her other posts

Idk, I'm not that confident on my reads, there's too much fluff here and too little game in day 1.

Her wagon seems a bit scum motivated as well, like Baezu, easy mislynches?

[Churros]

Like, it didn't see people had too much of a problem with the hammer and the wagon feels like a bit opportunistic because she's the easiest vote here

especially when Fark is leading it to me

[Churros]

Ame, can you tell me everything that happened in your neighborhood with Fark?

[Churros]

Yeah?

While I was at bath, I thought about something else too.

[Churros]

Let's do mental gynastic about the NK, it's less useless now that we've claims:

There's two scenarios for that kill

1) Wolves targeted Ame and one of the protectors was killed
2) Wolves directly targeted KaS

Now let's imagine Eve is scum as you're saying and did one of the two things above:

1) If she/partner did target Ame, it's weird that she would claim to be on Ame in the first place because if Ame was NK'ed, she would be suspicious. Even if she claimed roleblock'ed and that one of Shiki/Aaron spilled the info from the hood, it would still mean it's confirmed to have scum in [Eve, Shiki, Aaron]. Eve isn't a plotter. She's a very straightforward/simple person from what I know of her, she wouldn't try to pull such a master strategy as scum, she would just play normally, goofy around and kill towny slots I imagine.

It doesn't glue together to me that after Ame begged her in the hood to target her, she would as scum try to NK Ame. It would look bad on her, and there was no special reason to NK Ame, it wasn't a bad slot but neither it was great.

2) If she did try to NK KaS directly, the unique thing that comes to my mind would be trying to mislynch Fark if they weren't her partner. But these were some of the last posts from day 1:

should i hammer i want to hammer

honestly keiji and sara might be scum because sara might be trying to pocket me and cakez in our hood

If this flips town I agree with Eve that Keiji and Sara is off

If she's scum, she's seeing KaS as mislynchable and even got support from Cakez that the slot would be the next to go. Directly killing KaS isn't natural because she could lynch the slot, and only later go for Fark. It didn't seem as if she was trying to pull one on Fark at all with her posting that day either.

Considering the above, I don't believe she's a wolf.

[Churros]

TL;DR:

It doesn't seen plausible to me that scum!Eve would target Ame or KaS yesterday considering what happened in the hoods/day 1.

[Churros]

KaS didn't say to be targeting Ame until close to deadline and I doubt they suddenly switched their night action in a hurry, Shiki stayed silent about targeting Ame until today.

Eve couldn't kill Ame and expect it to fail to not look bad on herself, she hadn't the info there would be two other protectives I feel.

Unless her partner is exactly Farkran that had been chatting up with Ame, but that's too much WIFOM for now.

[Churros]

Eve did say in our PT she would be guarding Zote

Why you said this Eve and what's the time of that post

[Churros]

My problem with you is that I'm not wolf reading your posts by itself...

It's hard to explain, it's an intelectual read rather than a gut read and I often have guts more.

I don't have the gut feeling your posts are scummy, it's more me fitting everything together and sensing you might be a wolf.

I don't have town read guts on you either though, nothing you said particularly made me feel you're likely town or scum as well.

[Churros]

The above is a poor way to phrase/explain it but tl;dr I don't have any reason to TR you in my mind, and I feel in a logic manner, with the help of my other reads, that you're being pro-wolf, even though I don't have a gut hard wolf read.

[Churros]

shiki feels like she's taking more of a backseat today and is okay to watch - like she's afraid of taking the wheel because her license is for a car but she's trying to fly a plane

best anology

[Churros]

KaS said they weren't protecting anyone

Fark, why you thought KaS was protecting no one when she had said she would tell you guys close to deadline?

Where did you first got this information?

[Churros]

The above may be very important.

I would like the exact time of the post as well if possible.

[Churros]

In the Fark/Shiki/KaS hood, they posted that, in their other hood, they claimed they wouldn't protect anyone. Then, ~29 hours later (close to night 1 deadline), they said in my hood they have been protecting Ame.

Shiki, I would like you to be very precise with your wording here. Very precise.

Did KaS when claiming she wouldn't protect anyone in the other hood, hint that she was going to say who she would protect later in deadline?

did she hint or imply she would target someone or that she had lied in the other hood?

[Churros]

Or was it something sudden?

She only said about protecting anyone close to deadline?

[Churros]

room: Ame, Eve, Churros

[Churros]

Ame you should probably stop town reading Shiki so hard.

Town leaning her is fine but it being your top 1 TR is probably not. She has done nothing that wouldn't be easily faked if she's scum.

[Churros]

Day
F: KaS said they weren't protecting anyone
F: Oh actually looks like they were on you. So either the target was KaS or you.

This points to KaS truthfully targeting Ame and Shiki/Farkran making this up unlikely, given that he wouldn't confuse it if he had planned from the start I think, unless he's faking but it sounds too elaborated so I'm gonna dismiss.

I would like for Ame to say how many minutes difference there was between him saying "KaS targeted no one", "Actually they were on you" though.

[Churros]

this is inaccurate. i stated i was protecting ame in the neighbourhood with farkran and keiji and sara seconds before the deadline, as i said here:

I might have missed, but even so Eve wouldn't know that before sending the night action.

[Churros]

Hmm, we wait here I say. I don't want hammers before this has one week if possible.

This is very odd of me to say, but there's something to be gained by waiting in this game. Although it may not be obvious and if I were to explain it would have no effect.

Alternatively why don't we have fun around here? We could goofy around a bit with those PRs I guess...

[Churros]

Shiki, what is your read on Farkran?

What about his early townblock?

[Churros]

Shiki, do you believe in the Excalibur I wield?

Do you believe in this holy potato knight slaying scum here?

Do you believe in justice?

Do you believe in me as the Potato Captain that shall cleanse the evil of this town?

[Churros]

Shiki I'm very suspicious of how you declined Eve offering you salmon and carrots in our hood

what kind of person aligned with the good side declines salmon and carrots

I've also seen some foot stains in the kitchen, I believe you may not have worn slippers like you were supposed to

what kind of monster would do that???

eve had just said she had cleaned the whole thing, and you just keep scum hunting, with an aura of "whatever I'm not wearing slippers guys"

[Churros]

Shiki, what you think of my junior, Major Eve?

Do you believe in my junior as much as you believe in my noble Excalibur?

[Churros]

Alternatively, as a completely useless question, what are you doing right now Shiki?

I hope you aren't hearing hungarian music on youtube, or searching for cat videos.

every townie knows owls are better than cats

[Churros]

No shiki, I was making small talk

as in, what are you doing in idle time

[Churros]

If you think Eve is likely mafia and disagree with my take, why you didn't vote her and why didn't you disagree with me like that as I posted my case?

[Churros]

Ok but you didn't reply to why you think Eve is likely mafia

[Churros]

You said my theory is flawed but didn't say why you had Eve as likely wolf in the first place.

[Churros]

Ok but you didn't reply to why you think Eve is likely mafia

i think eve was attempting to kill ame and frame me or you for it, as i've stated previously, which you are aware of.

that's your entire read on her?

you've no opinion in her posts here in the main thread?

[Churros]

Sigh

this game I've no gut wolf reads, and they are often my best ones...

I'm left with all logical reads

Hmm

[Churros]

I can see a world where it's exactly Cakez/Karnage but I find, on my gut, to be more likely there's at least one scum in

[Farkran, Shiki]

Maybe both but I wouldn't count on being that lucky, besides even though their interactions are eery, it's not exactly what I would imagine partners doing. Although it isn't anti-partner as well...

Hm...

[Churros]

Their town reads on each other are so weird

"They think like me about hoods"

and Shiki now implied that Ame is "confirmed town" when we're far from that level of confidence with the NK theory.

[Churros]

i noted in the neighbourhood (which a now confirmed town did not think was noteworthy)

here

but now that I think about it, you were in a hood with KaS, maybe you did talk the same thing you talked in our hood there and I failed to notice.

[Churros]

what is your read on Ame shiki?

I would like the most insight possible in the reply if you can

[Churros]

Churros what do you think about Shiki/Fark team?

It sounds a bit too obvious to me but they are very eery to me as well

[Churros]

They would have to open the thread by wanting a hood with only one townie on it (KaS)

so weird if that's the case

[Churros]

I could hammer Farkran if deadline comes but I would rather do this now

VOTE: Shiki

I may change my vote though, what would break my promise early, but still.

[Churros]

Eve feel free to sheep me since you've her on the pool as well.

[Churros]

This game is giving me headache

I'm indecise

[Churros]

Shiki who else you checked previous games/meta dived and how did it contribute to your reads

you can sum it up in this one, otherwise it might get too long.

[Churros]

UNVOTE:

I don't want to explain why I'm unvoting at the moment

Hmm...

[Churros]

I feel Farkran has everything to be wolf but he's going to flip town somehow

call it TMI if you want

[Churros]

VOTE: Karnage

I don't want to pursue Farkran or Cakez in this instant.

Farkran, you have karnage in the pool, what are the chances of you voting Karnage instead of Eve?

I'll need to hammer you to block a Eve lynch if this keeps going in that direction, I'm more confident I know Eve flip than I'm in yours.

[Churros]

Farkran I've a mysterious cold feet, you can extend that to shiki as well

Cakez I don't want to go tunneling the guy out of the gate, even if he's scum I would rather go to him for last considering doubles mafia. I don't know how to read him very much.

Karnage has ~bad~ posts superficially and has given excuses as "I'll get to this game" and etc but no showing up here, which comes more often from scum than town, although it's understandable to not be interested in this game.

I just think that by PoE and his posts, he might be the most likely wolf flip here according to my readlist.

[Churros]

Eve I would appreciate if you sheep me but the decision is yours

[Churros]

I'll hammer you if it comes to that. Have no doubt.

[Churros]

I don't feel Shiki/Cakez is likely with her opening. Farkran/Shiki feels a bit stiffy as well, although less unlikely.

It's either Cakez/Karnage

or Farkran/Karnage to me at the moment

Let's move on, I don't need one week anymore I guess.

VOTE: Farkran

[Churros]

Oh wait, before hammers, we NEED to do rooms, I would appreciate if people hammered my one with Churros/Eve/Ame.

[Churros]

I'm going to hammer anyone else room suggestion as long as they hammer mine.

[Churros]

Fakran is in L-1 by the way.

[Churros]

Wait. 3 people needs 5 votes?

That's really bad. We could have done better things with those hoods I guess.

Either way, I'm going to suggest this in that case.

get room: Churros, Eve

I'm expecting Eve to hammer this and I'm open to hammer anyone that helps

[Churros]

I'm still open to switch to karnage if you do as well, Farkran.

[Churros]

So, you have Karnage in both solves, but you just moved your vote from Karnage to me.

Your reasons were to hammer me to stop a Eve lynch, but Eve has exactly one vote - my own - and the only thing that happened inbtween your two votes is me refusing to vote Karnage.

Ok, i still trust you know what you are doing

get a room: Churros, Eve

Even though I see you more likely to flip town than Karnage at the moment, I see no reason to delay your lynch if it's going to be a dispute between you vs Eve wagons.

Shiki isn't voting Karnage from what I've seen, neither are you. Cakez seems to be null on Karnage.

Trying Karnage today when I'm not sure of your flip and I need to force people to support me is a moot point to me.

I would like your slot flipped before LyLo, especially when you're a major tension of this game and everyone would progress on your flip, whatever you're.

I still think a bit that Karnage is a better lynch, but not to the point where I would try to forcefully drag people out of you, rather than just lynching you (a slot I'm/everyone is curious about) and moving to solving in karnage/cakez regardless of what you flip. (I might need to check more shiki I guess).

That's it

[Churros]

Even the post from you helping makes me a bit more confident you're town although scum!fark is just as lamist. Either way, you're forcing my hand to some extent on you.

Indeed, it's health to this game this lynch regardless of your alignment, I agree.

[Churros]

Farkran, can't you just vote Karnage?

[Churros]

I've no longer a excalibur, but this katana shall strike no wrong.

Ah yes, I could see Cakez/Fakran as well but I don't want to go to WIFOM theories from the get go

It's a bit unhealthy

Shiki isn't a town read either, she's more like in the null zone depending on who flips what.

[Churros]

one scum in [Fark, Karnage]

one scum in [Cakez, Shiki]

I'm fine with the above, the katana shall strike no wrong.

[Churros]

If I'm wrong on the above, it's because it's more likely Fark/Karnage than Cakez/Shiki, but I'm all chilled up.

I'm dismissing Cakez/Shiki, but I'm going to have Fark/Karnage in the back of my mind if Farkran flips wolf.

As long as we get one wolf, we've more 3 lynches either way.

[Churros]

I feel Cakez/Shiki is the most unlikely pair with Shiki opening on Cakez. It's possible, I don't doubt it, but I don't have enough lynches to counter that team and I'm fine losing to the unlikely opening as buddies.

Therefore Farkran today, Karnage tomorrow. Or the reverse, it's probably the way the katana should strike.

[Churros]

If Farkran was to flip wolf, I'm not sure who to cut tomorrow with my ephemeral blade, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

[Churros]

Nope²

[Churros]

Plotinus, Eve is voting twice in the VC.

She's currently in Farkran.

Fixed, thank you --P

[Churros]

I'm going to be sad if I'm wrong on one of my town reads.

I think I'm mostly likely wrong on Ame than Eve if I'm, but I'm not gonna be paranoid here, it never worked in my favor.

[Churros]

If I lose that's too bad I guess, move on.

[Churros]

I don't want to tunnel Cakez after coming out of Doubles Mafia

I don't necessarily think Farkran will flip town, I feel he's more likely to flip town than Karnage at least.

[Churros]

under normal circumstances Farkran would be town telling right now with their behavior but they are very LAMIST as scum and it's not out of his scum range to do this.

I do think it makes him a bit +town, but nothing that can affect where my reads are at.

If Karnage was to flip town, I would lynch him.

[Churros]

My pool is [Karnage, Farkran, Shiki, Cakez] with the caveat I'm taking a gamble and dismissing Shiki/Cakez a possibility due to Shiki's opening.

That means one of [Karnage, Farkran] needs to be scum at least if my gamble is right.

We've only one safe mislynch now that I counted correctly. If Cakez flips town, I've a 1/3 chance of losing even if both scum are in my PoE since any team can be formed out of [Farkran, Karnage, Shiki] to me.

[Karnage, Farkran] in my solve is optimal...

[Churros]

Can you remind me why you are townreading Eve?

458, 512.

[Churros]

It's not only for protecting Eve, I already explained it and I'm tired of repeating it if you aren't gonna lynch Karnage.

If Karnage flips town, I would lynch you.

[Churros]

You're discounting her partner's profile, and that's your only reason to pull her out from this world's scumpool.

Eve isn't the kind to delay every bit of information to her partner in scum PT so they can plot something. Unless you think they are in the hood with her, but other than Ame herself, there's only me/Shiki. I know I'm town and Shiki doesn't seem like a Eve partner at all.

[Churros]

Eve is the most trollish, carefree and casual player in the site that strictly still plays dutifuly to her wincon. It's a fun slot because of that but she isn't a tryhard by any means. She probably would keep making puns in the scum PT rather than delay every bit of info from the hood so her partner and her can create a evil plan.

If there was such a plan, it was unexpectedly enough out of her, and I don't consider that likely.

[Churros]

I probably know what I'm doing, likely...?

I really simply TR Eve here and there's even a good deal of meta on it, the scum game I saw from her had a contrast to her stream-of-consciouness town play.

Either you or Karnage is scum to me, and I think it's more likely Karnage than you, but if you don't wish to wagon Karnage with me and insist on your tunnel, I can only be forced to flip you, my second choice, first.

[Churros]

I can be wrong on Eve but I'm failing to see why she's scummy in the first place?

lol hammer?

She did that on Double Mafia as town as well?

Lots of memes/puns/jokes?

That's literally her playstyle

All you guys have seeing for me to SR her it's a moot point and I both you and Cakez, which are in my pool, as well as Shiki, want to vote the slot

I've no good reason to reconsider this, I can be wrong, but what can I do about that exactly?

I've considered things and this is my conclusion.

[Churros]

In fact it's scummy from Cakez to see the hammer as scummy when she literally did it on Doubles Mafia, in an even worse fashion I might say.

People barely had began to vote Titus and she hammered it.

[Churros]

So you have ignored all my 4 points by posting a threat, and you're lining up a mislynch in case you are wrong.

"you're lining up a mislynch in case you are wrong"

you can twist this in whatever you want but it's how I play

When I replaced in that game where FL had claimed Disloyal Friendly Neighbor , I lynched him and in the same fashion said there was scum in a pool of [X, Y], and I didn't care too much whoever went first.

I solved in the same way in Doubles Mafia.

We did just fine in both games.

I'm not good enough to say "X is definitely scum", the utmost I can do is usually say three or two names and "there's scum here" by analyzing every possible team

I said [Power, Kerset] had the last scum even before FL flip, Power was scum.

In doubles mafia I said [BBMolla/Farside] had one scum and one townie, BB was mafia, Far town.

From my experience saying a pool has the best results, and as long as I'm right on my two TRs, I doubt both you and Karnage are town.

I can easily be wrong, mafia is a guessing game, but I don't see why change my reads now. I've different opinions than you and that's it.

[Churros]

So, you have a meta read on Eve that allows you to put her in your townbloc - this has been established.

I disagree with you about Eve, and if i had to give a priority rank of my lynches for today it would be Eve > Ame > Cakez > Churros > Karnage. These are the people whom i believe might not be acting in good faith right now.

In my hoods i offered a slightly different solve, but the core is there. I am not willing to sheep you on both your reads of Eve and Karnage when you are also scumreading me - you need to review your solve before i can trust you to lead this town. Or flip me, that's still a better choice.

I don't see how you being town lead to you being right on Eve

I truly don't see and you're acting weird.

Not the Farkran I've played with as town.

[Churros]

I don't need you or anyone else to sheep me Farkran...

I don't even need to win this game.

I don't care, this account was made for me to have fun and I'm out of tryharding after Doubles Mafia and my Mini Normal modded by Fire.

I wanted the micro queue especifically because it's more chill and I can take it easy.

p-edit: expecting anything from me might be a mistake tbh, past accuracy means little about me in a guessing game yet

I don't think I would say you can always expect good results from me at this moment

I might as well be silly here and Eve is scum but I can't see it

[Churros]

pedit: when did we play together besides that mini normal?

secret but we were on scum together and mindmelding a lot as the game went on

[Churros]

Why Karnage before Fark Churros?

Hmm dunno

gut?

It can be easily just Farkran though, especially with the last posts.

I got less confident that Karnage is a better lynch now.

Hmm, dunno

[Churros]

pedit: when did we play together besides that mini normal?

secret but we were on scum together and mindmelding a lot as the game went on

In hindsight this wasn't completely true and you progressively tunneled one slot I TR

If you guess correctly me, I would ask from you that you don't say it.

[Churros]

so waffly
pick a side!

Hmm

[Churros]

I'll tunnel you
Don't make me do it

I don't know Cakez. I was indecise on who was scum in BB/Far as well, and only got more confident when BB began to AtE in thread.

Farkran is a better scum player than that, and Karnage isn't even present. That game had 250 pages, I've barely 10 pages worth of content here.

Farkran wolf game is one of the best one from the rookies together with Datisi and Mena.

I can't tell who of them is flipping wolf for sure. Before the recent posts I thought Karnage had a considerable better odd of flipping wolf than Farkran, but now with him trying to change my mind and pushing me back I don't know. His tone is kinda uncomfortable and not the one I saw when I played with him.

If you mean why I SR Karnage, I think I've it on my ISO. He talks about "being scared of pockets", dwells on setup stuff that's not very useful, always make up excuses/promises about not being here, doesn't feel proactive solving the game.

It's a pretty..."classic" wolf read?

[Churros]

i can compromise on Ame or Cakez - otherwise, flip me.

I already explained that Cakez isn't only suboptimal to me here in terms of solving, it's also something I don't want to do right after Doubles Mafia.

Ame I town read.

- otherwise, flip me.

Yeah...it's what we're about to do I guess?

[Churros]

Farkran stop this back and forth and let's talk about anime or something wholesome

Shiki/Cakez are ~probably~ sheeping your thoughts tomorrow if you're town, while me/Ame is the resistance to Eve wagon I think, and Karnage is gonna be the deciding factor.

Apologies? (it's a game though), if I'm wrong on you/Eve/Karnage but this is where my mind is at. I've had various people repeat countless times "reconsider" but it doesn't change anything.

You're saying "backup plan after my flip" but there's one already and it's Karnage, which you refuse to consider today.

I guess I've nothing left to say as well...

[Churros]

Cakez doesn't want Karnage today

Shiki wants Eve

Ame I don't remember but is a "maybe" to Karnage wagon

Eve I think, if we've a numerous wagon, can sheep us, but we need a wagon first

Your vote is a game changer and it's why I'm asking you for it

The Karnage wagon would be:

Karnage (4) - Churros, Farkran, Eve, Ame

No more, no less. That's it. Without you it's a moot point to persuade today because I don't have a fourth. I don't sense Cakez/Shiki budging on this.

[Churros]

Do we want ego plays?

Spoiler:

[Churros]

My solve isn't Fark/Karnage...it's one of Fark/Karnage is scum.

I don't work with solid solves sometimes, I work with pools quite often.

[Churros]

Yeah it's unhappy Farkran.

Either way your avatar is cool.

[Churros]

That's a good idea Ame.

[Churros]

V/LA through Friday/Saturday/Monday

[Churros]

Eve, hammer our room when you come around.

I'm going to follow my word and vote a room you choose Farkran.

I would recommend to not have you in it since the probability you're dying is high but I won't be picky. Choose one, I'll support it.

[Churros]

I would rather not explain the full conotations that kanage deciding the lynch between Farkran/Cakez can imply, since it's two players which I consider viable partners, it would only make how he acts here harder to read?

But...even if you insisted in me explaining, I don't know how to put it in words other than what's...a bit obvious?

Either way, if Karnage isn't scum, I think Farkran is, therefore him lynching Farkran depending on the flip, helps me solve his own slot. If he chooses cakez, we'll see the flip, and we can talk/think about it as well?

It's eliminating one player from my pool and giving me info at the same time. What's your problem with it other than the simplistic "you think karnage is wolf therefore you should vote him and ignore everything else/gamestate?"

I don't enjoy pointless actions. Voting karnage here today is pointless.

[Churros]

are you sure about that shiki? Alisae in our hood was telling us we were eir top townreads

Something smells funny and I hope it's not Alisae confusing everyone intentionally but rather something alignment indicative from the slots.

[Churros]

Ok I may want Farkran today, hard.

I've already explained countless times that I don't think Farkran/Karnage is necessarily the team but he insists on that point to deflect my theory.

I was ok with a Cakez flip but I may be progressively not the creepier Farkran/Shiki gets.

[Churros]

By my reads it should be Cakez + Karnage but...

Hmm..

I'm getting cold feet.

[Churros]

it's such a weird kill for Cakez + Karnage to kill shiki, I feel.

Although if Ame was being protected (if she's town), there was no other quality nightkill. It was me or Shiki and they choose shiki?

Hmm..

Dunno, Karnage needs to be wolf though, I feel. I feel Cakez/Eve or Ame/Cakez is more unlikely.

I can see Cakez/Eve, but it's faint.

Ame/Cakez is near zero in my vision.

[Churros]

I feel karnage killing me if he's scum would get him too much attention though, so it's realistic that NK even in wolf!Karnage universe.

[Churros]

I'm ready to risk ending this game by voting karnage. I feel Cakez/Ame or Cakez/Eve is more unlikely than Karnage/someone

I can see either Ame or Eve being wolf in some timelines, more Eve than Ame, but I feel it's a bit unlikely, still.

I could re:read the game, but this one is fairly short and I do remember most of it. There's not much to be gained from re:reading.

If anyone has a problem other than "wait!" for me voting karnage here, speak now or forever hold your piece.

[Churros]

Ame/Eve would be a huge troll on me though

Very sad combination

But I feel it's a bit weird for wolf!Ame to approach wolf!Eve in that way in the hood. It's a guessing game, sorry if I'm wrong Farkran. This is the best solve I could come up with.

[Churros]

In my vision, I've little doubt that Karnage is wolf regardless of who is his partner.

[Churros]

Hmm

The gamestate feels slightly like town!Karnage but I don't see any strong reason to change my mind on him.

[Churros]

I'm considering voting you as a karnage buddy though, ame.

[Churros]

I TR Eve play, only afterwards I got the theory and became even more confident in my TR.

My TR before and after the theory hadn't the same strenght, I feel.

[Churros]

I feel you're trying to direct the lynch from karnage to Cakez and I'm "hmm" on that.

Idk, it can be even Cakez + Ame with you bussing him to be anti-associative which would win you the game, but I don't feel I can counter that.

My best bet is karnage...

[Churros]

But Karnage post today isn't bad...

[Churros]

confusing, who would be Cakez partner if not Karnage?

Eve?

Why kill Ame or KaS though...

[Churros]

I could see Cakez + Eve but so many mental effort there...

[Churros]

VOTE: Karnage

I feel him claiming to protect me was kinda really townie but I'm sorry, I don't have another solve..

I really can see Ame/Cakez. I can almost taste it, but Ame bussing Cakez there sounds...

sigh

Apologies Farkran.

[Churros]

You do realize if you're town, you are losing us the game if the team isn't exactly Cakez + Karnage right...?

[Churros]

I mean, it's double the risk voting two players at the same time.

[Churros]

No, if it's not exactly karnage + Cakez, the other partner can hammer.

I suppose you can rule out Me + Karnage from your book because I wouldn't have told you that.

[Churros]

If Karnage is scum I should be confirmed town after that. You weren't unvoting if I didn't say.

[Churros]

You can go back to vote to be fair, unique way we lose it now in hindsight is if Eve is scum, and if she doesn't hammer, she's conftown.

We can get 2 conftowns and restrict it to [Cakez, Ame, Karnage]

Let's go.

[Churros]

Eve should be the last to vote.

[Churros]

No if Eve is scum, we could lose it as well. And if I'm scum, I wouldn't tell you to unvote.

[Churros]

If Eve is scum with Karnage for example, we insta-lose by you voting cakez.

But whatever, let's confirm Eve as town. We both are there currently.

[Churros]

Close enough.

[Churros]

You can rant on me fark, I give you permission.

[Churros]

For what it's worth you could say I was the single reason we lost the game by switching Eve wagon to Farkran.

If Eve was lynched Farkran would look very town and you could bodyguard him to avoid him being killed, and Farkran had Ame as his next target in the pool.

Farkran could win this game if I didn't redirect wagons and town binned Eve.

That said...I would do the same thing again here, probably. I didn't really trust Ame by LyLo, but I thought it was either Karnage/Cakez or Ame/Karnage. My mistake here was to town read Eve so hard, but I'm not sure how to read her, this felt like her town game. The scum game from her I had seen before she was way stiffer but here she had pretty good flow.

I've no excuses though. I can accept some rants.

[Churros]

I guess that only tells me that I should ignore meta even harder, because my meta reads without exception all suck, but hmm.

[Churros]

VOTE: Karnage

I feel him claiming to protect me was kinda really townie but I'm sorry, I don't have another solve..

I really can see Ame/Cakez. I can almost taste it, but Ame bussing Cakez there sounds...

sigh

Apologies Farkran.

I guess this post explain how much of a bad feeling I had a bit in Karnage but I couldn't see Eve/Ame or Eve/Cakez.

I was apologizing in the vote post itself because I didn't feel much ~energy~ that we were going to win this game

But I couldn't see the real team even after I considered it in my head...

[Churros]

In hindsight only now I realized that Ame/Eve were the unique ones with incentive to night kill Shiki, which should point to town Karnage, but I don't feel that would completely changed my mind because it's hard for a nka override my reads.

[Churros]

If u wanna rush lylo, generally ur just gonna have a bad time

I don't regret my decisions this game. I'm only saying I can understand Farkran being upset here.

I would rush lylo as either alignment, almost always.