Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[Kanna]

VOTE: Euphony they know why

Spoiler:

[Kanna]

Startinng Bletchley park for Enigma code breaking as cryptography is permitted

Reporting in

/in bletchley park

/in imitation game?

[Kanna]

@QQ; but have you watched....The Imitation Game? (๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧

[Kanna]

tbh the first time I read #33, I also wasn't sure it was supposed to be a joke

[Kanna]

Unless this is hec-shiki, I've skimread some of shiki's other games and they've made pretty out there deductions

pedit: VT claims shrink the pool of possible PRs, no?

[Kanna]

Unless this is hec-shiki, I've skimread some of shiki's other games and they've made pretty out there deductions

pedit: VT claims shrink the pool of possible PRs, no?

Aren't we playing under the fact that most people are VTs anyway?

If anything, if they're actually a PR they can just opt.not to claim it

eh?

Ok, what kind of answer were you expecting from #43?

~k

[Kanna]

33 and 37 are hec-shiki and unserious; clearly my shiki-impersonation is just in a different realm.

I knew something was weird when shiki called OkaPoka "oogles boogles"...

[Kanna]

@DOCTORPEPPER; DO NOT DODGE MY QUESTION

[Kanna]

QQ is a weird player and it seems to be a consistent pattern. I'm gonna try to get the point of what they're saying because none of it makes sense

Actually nevermind, I can see that

[Kanna]

since my read on okapoka's opening was based almost entirely on menalque's opening this game:

viewtopic.php?p=11637050#p11637050

This is freaky, but I actually thought the same thing. What made you read that game shiki? Were you doing meta on me?

[Kanna]

UNVOTE:

@Drew; How would you differentiate "casting a shadow" vs scumhunting?

It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

[Kanna]

BTW Kanna, casting a shadow is what I think they have done, and I believe you can differentiate.

I kinda get what you're saying, but i'm not seeing it. I do know what shading is and I think it comes with bad faith which I don't really see with Euphony

Out of interest, do you think *your* comments on them are shading?

[Kanna]

codebreaker kanna does not follow orders from unauthorized personnel (๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧

[Kanna]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also what's the context here? I read this like 2 times and I'm not sure what you mean

[Kanna]

Mixed feelings on Drew, leaning not-so-good but willing to see more.

I have a pet theory why scum would want to wagon QQ and I don't think I like this.

VOTE: OkaPoka @Oka, what do you think about Drew so far?

[Kanna]

Express your read.

And why are you voting Oka if you feeling mixed on me?

My Oka read? Not great. His entrance felt weird tonally, and his contributions so far haven't really made him look any better.
I'm not voting you atm because...I've got mixed feelings
What do you think about Oka? What exactly do you mean by the bolded question, do you think I should be voting you?

[Kanna]

@Datisi, what do you think of Oka's entrance?

[Kanna]

@DoctorPepper

What is your RANK you are at L-1

Do not do this btw, I think we should only get claims from a decided lynch

[Kanna]

Re the bolded - I think votes are breadcrumbs, and who you select when you read different people scum is important. Because it shows intent and it shows your contribution to a lynch. There's no way in future days we can win if we aren't able to see the pattern scum forms by their voting habits.

Can you answer the specific question? (Why did you ask that question in particular?) It's very important!

[Kanna]

absolutely nothing

i know you're thinking "mena pretended to be a newbie in his opening in another game and he was scum" but i think that's just aI "menalque thing" rather than a "scum thing"

and i think connecting that to oka is misguided at best, disingenuous at worst

I've seen it happen 2(?) times and they weren't both from Mena. *but* I kinda don't feel so strongly about it anymore

[Kanna]

Ico Ico Ico <3

ngl, my first impression was this was *exactly* how you opened in strawberry. I haven't played with town!ico before though so I'm gonna do some research before making a read (which will be soon). Also very interested to hear about me.

@Datisi, where have you seen "town!ico do this"?

[Kanna]

kanna i'm getting a very pacifistic feeling about you this game

like ur trying to mediate in conflicts, de-escalate situations as it were

do you think that's true?

Maybe? But that’s kind of my personality and I don’t think I’ve been particularly so

Is this what you meant by the “interesting” thing wrt to me?

[Kanna]

TLDR; I looked through Ico’s meta (Town: Mini Normal 2119, Insect Religion, Scum: Strawberry, Hard Boiled Eggs) and I think this is scum!ico. Scum!Ico focuses on scumreads + feels agendy with pushing (usually on something surface), while town!ico focuses on townreads + feels a lot less agenda-y

Also there is a single direct parallel in strawberry that i find kinda scummy which I didn’t point out at the time (obviously)

VOTE: Iconeum

[Kanna]

Oh and I think DrP is more lynchbait than scum

[Kanna]

o/

What are your thoughts on it?

[Kanna]

I want an honest answer from you here:

wrt to Mini 2119: did you read my opening posts, or did you actually go thru all

1.000

posts of me there?

i'll give you more feedback after this answer

oh nonono. I focused on the earlier posts

and now that we have established that me having townreads is a big part of townreading me, why are you dismissing/ignoring the fact that I have already established an early townblock to work from?

I didn't say scum!you never has townreads, you townblocked me and probably some other people in strawberry, right? I mean you *focus on* on scumreads/pushes which I feel like you're doing with DrP now. It's like the ame/luca tunnel.

[Kanna]

@Drew, wrt to the earlier question, I'll be honest and say the reason I asked was because I found your question weird. I just said I had mixed feelings on you/wanted to see more so why did you ask me why I wasn't voting you? I'm probably dropping this though, I feel like this has run its course

[Kanna]

Oh and I think DrP is more lynchbait than scum

what makes you say he's lynchbait

he's just being wagoned ~for reasons that idk just isn't lynchbait or lhf but i am surprised he has 4 votes

I feel like DrP...is a literal player(?) which makes some of the things he says more scummy than it is? Eg, the rolefishing thing earlier, I thought he was rolefishing too but i think from his responses/a readback, he wasn't actually doing that

[Kanna]

@DoctorPepper

What is your RANK you are at L-1

Do not do this btw, I think we should only get claims from a decided lynch

and yeah I stand by this ^

[Kanna]

kanna when you return can you give me your readslist? ty ty

i'm gonna have to get back to you on that one.
I did mindmeld with Alduskkel for pages 15-17 though.

@Ico: do you still have the same opinion on everything? Why did you claim?

[Kanna]

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny

the situations are a little different in that he got flashlynched there/didn't have a chance to react and here he got run up to l1 while he was online. but this is true. What did you think of my other points?

[Kanna]

Just replying to past stuff don't mind me

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Can you elaborate on Alduskkel? 349 comes off as kind of a joke to me actually

[Kanna]

She's like mostly null for other content. Taking the initiative to push Ico is slight town points because I think she's a little more reserved as scum. Oh wait, her vote on Ico came after there were already 2 on him so that counts for less. She's a (눈‸눈) read right now.

눈눈== Hectic

thief.

Let's test our masonry! do you remember what you told me my scumtell was in strawberry?

[Kanna]

I think you and I are very similar, Hectic

[Kanna]

if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god

[Kanna]

what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry

[Kanna]

Is it regarding the Doctar?

no

[Kanna]

@Drew; You didn’t ask me any questions, and I don’t see why I’m obliged to comment on you calling me “fucking lazy”

I get that you disagree with meta, but why is it scum indicative to you? Meta is a measure of someone’s personality and playstyle and is therefore useful in sorting people

It’s not the first time I’ve used it and I’m going to keep using thanks

[Kanna]

@Ico; I’m taking it you found my meta read “unfair”/“misrep” etc. Remind me what you found unfair please

[Kanna]

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny

the situations are a little different in that he got flashlynched there/didn't have a chance to react and here he got run up to l1 while he was online. but this is true. What did you think of my other points?

Just replying to past stuff don't mind me

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Can you elaborate on Alduskkel? 349 comes off as kind of a joke to me actually

@Eup; answer these when you can please

[Kanna]

kanna i'm getting a very pacifistic feeling about you this game

like ur trying to mediate in conflicts, de-escalate situations as it were

do you think that's true?

Maybe? But that’s kind of my personality and I don’t think I’ve been particularly so

Is this what you meant by the “interesting” thing wrt to me?

Also this was a while ago, but I did answer it.

[Kanna]

at the very least disingenious.

Disingenuous means I don’t believe in it, yes? Why is that so? I saw flashbacks of the Ame tunnel wrt to RVS, a Luca tunnel for scumreading you, I think, and a clidd tunnel for clidd’s style

[Kanna]

My takeaway was actually that you feel a lot more agenda-y as scum (focusing on pushes, scumreads, tunnels) and you feel less agendy as town (so, not that). The townreads was just a bonus even though it was true as well

Can you link me to a town!game where you tunnel/feel you play like you do here?

[Kanna]

I think the thing I'm actually looking for is just *deathtunnels* and what i mean by agenda-y refers to the same thing (pushing a mislynch) but ok, will look through that tomorrow.

Spoiler:

*casually ignores drew*

[Kanna]

Also one last thing because this always gets brushed over

I clearly have had townreads this game, and kept building on them. You still came to scum!Ico conclusion despite of this.

I didn't say scum!you never has townreads, you townblocked me and probably some other people in strawberry, right? I mean you *focus on* on scumreads/pushes which I feel like you're doing with DrP now. It's like the ame/luca tunnel.

but sure, i'm open to seeing it

[Kanna]

Micro 892: TL micro maf

i read some of Micro 892: TL micro and I guess you mean the Bella tunnel? .....because i actually kind of see it

[Kanna]

reminder still waiting on Kanna's reads

I'm in a confusing state right now but I think <Datisi, OkaPoka, Aldus, DrP> are town, the rest i can't tell you atm

[Kanna]

For my original case, it’s basically

>scum!ico likes to deathtunnel early. Example: the ame tunnel for RQS, the Luca tunnel for scumreading him, the clidd tunnel for his style. Battle mage in Hard Boiled Eggs.
>This is agenda-y because he’s consciously or subconsciously aware of and playing to his wincon. He picks one target usually and is fairly aggressive in saying everything they say (when a lot of it is surface) is scummy. He drops them when they are not viable anymore. E.g there is a reason there are 3 deathtunnels in strawberry D1
>town!ico seems much more random. He noticeably does not *deathtunnel* like this. The lack of deathtunneling makes his townreads more obvious by comparison

[Kanna]

Addressed the first in 490.

I mean, I get that post has a jokey tone, but it's still used to justify the L-1. What were you mindmelding with Aldu on for pages 15 to 17?

No my main point was the deathtunnel parallel between ame/luca/clidd. Do you not think they were alike?

What made you townread Ico?

Also on the flip side, what made you think Ico was scum in strawberry?

[Kanna]

is he deathtunneling here?

i feel like he started a deathtunnel on DrP. But then I brought things up and that muddies the waters so its a ???

So are you no longer scumreading Icon, Kanna?

There's a weird part to my scumread so I'm asking about it

[Kanna]

I mean, I get that post has a jokey tone, but it's still used to justify the L-1. What were you mindmelding with Aldu on for pages 15 to 17?

oh yeah and elaborate on your Aldus read please. Was it just because of the L-1? Do you think L-1's like that are scummy? Or was it partially for the Okapoka case?

[Kanna]

do you think the iconeum progression i outlined in 423 would be easy to simulate as mafia?

Honestly, I don't see why not. I don't see him describing you guys as "free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things" as a particularly good reason wrt to the posts

[Kanna]

QQ reminds of someone very special

Spoiler:

Non Imh

[Kanna]

I mean, I get that post has a jokey tone, but it's still used to justify the L-1. What were you mindmelding with Aldu on for pages 15 to 17?

oh yeah and elaborate on your Aldus read please. Was it just because of the L-1? Do you think L-1's like that are scummy? Or was it partially for the Okapoka case?

Actually, just an Aldus read explanation please. I think Shiki already answered this so I'd prefer it come from Hectic

[Kanna]

@Eup; Ico has this special brand of deathtunneling in the scumgames I’ve seen (mainly gonna use strawberry here) where he picks a target and picks at nai stuff/small inconsistencies rather than reasons for someone being *scum* He’s good at that.

You really need to answer my question; why do you townread Ico here? You *townread* him meaning you either have a good reason or see differences between his play here and say, strawberry (or have information from other games considering idk what games you play)

What do you consider to be flaws/agendas? What do you think of Ico’s push on DrP? Do you agree with it?

And for Aldus, I was asking about your read before, though I wasn’t entirely clear on that so that’s partially on me. You said you were happy with his wagon, which meant you were scumreading him - why? Was it just the L-1 and if so why do you inherently find that scummy? Or was it the Okapoka case?

Answer that, but like FOCUS on explaining your whole Aldus read if that makes sense and I’m being very specific because I want a specific answer from you

Overall I feel like it’s clear what part of the questions are the important parts so yes please don’t dodge

[Kanna]

^sorry Shiki! Feel free to answer it too. As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

[Kanna]

@Eup; Because i'm trying to figure out if your reads are genuine. I don't think I've really agreed on your reads so far so I can't write it off as a "i mindmeld so I can see it" instead, I'm trying to figure out if you *truly believe* them or are just finding reasons to say you believe them.

For Ico, honestly at this point I'm not even sure, and I regret saying what I thought so early when I should of let it play out. I really don't think he knew about the deathtunnel and scumreads/townreads thing beforehand and now he's aware of it, it's compromised.

I disagree on Aldus, I found what he said pretty townie. The way Ico switched between scumreads implies that he doesn't actually believe them and gives the feeling he's trying to latch onto something. I guess it can be emotions on Ico's side but that doesn't make what Aldus said not valid. Also I didn't really like the vt claim without any danger of hammer because as a vt, it gives him as a reason to be alive

Will reply to the rest later

[Kanna]

Also I don't know why my reads are so different from everyone's because i find DrP townie

[Kanna]

Ok then. I’m captain.

I’m also town and a speedhammer on me is scumclaim. I’d rather not die today, but I’m also trying to take mafia less seriously so

Maybe getting lynched will be liberating

But please hear me out since I need to clarify some things + give final reads

[Kanna]

I really don’t like this constant pushing to L1 then switching targets because it’s honestly just rolefishing

[Kanna]

I’ll be back later and be a bit more *honest* and *transparent* in my reads and after that if you still want to lynch me I’d be ok with it but not until then thank

[Kanna]

Oh btw that was my pet theory that QQ was acting as captain so he could either draw in a nk/whatever and the early wagoning from people who wanted to know his role did not sit well with me

[Kanna]

Oh btw that was my pet theory that QQ was acting as captain so he could either draw in a nk/whatever and the early wagoning from people who wanted to know his role did not sit well with me

Clarification: I felt like people who were wagoning him had potential to be scum wanting to captain-hunt

And I’m still ~mildly suspicious on whether that can still be true

[Kanna]

ok then how come you didn't really scumread DrPepper who first asked him what's he claiming and then voted QQ right when you were saying how you're suspicious of people wagoning QQ?

I scumread Oka for other reasons at the time so it was an either/or. Then I wondered if my theory was even likely so i kind of scrapped it

I’m still *not sure* if it’s a good theory or if it’s trash considering some people just want to policy QQ for not playing the game(?)

[Kanna]

i feel like QQ was "obvious" (lol) captain at some point, im pretty sure scum would have thought the same. right? why would scum captain hunt a "captain" idk if thats clear

Because I know I am town

>if all officers are town, killing the captain gets them 1/3 of their wincon
>if one of the officers are scum, killing the captain gets them control of the PRs if they are next in line

[Kanna]

Being honest is liberating

[Kanna]

Nvm, I’m not ok with getting lynched today.

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

[Kanna]

^do not ask me about that thank you

[Kanna]

In fact, #878 is probably the most important post I can make. Please remember this

Nvm, I’m not ok with getting lynched today.

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

Nvm, I’m not ok with getting lynched today.

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

Nvm, I’m not ok with getting lynched today.

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

Can I get a o7 from you, Euphony?

[Kanna]

Too much internet fries you brain, you should watch some more TV

Do you agree?

[Kanna]

I'm trying to make my first big brain move but it requires some...cooperation

[Kanna]

Ok then back to posting flyers:

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

And by this I mean if ^ happens, powerlynch Euphony because Euphony is scum.

[Kanna]

ok i realised i read oka's post wrong. this is the messiest I've ever played; i'm sorry

I said I was gonna post reads but you've all filled me with so much doubt I don't know anymore. For sure follow the procedure to make sure no one cc's me but then I think we should lynch one of <DrP, Ico> because there has been enough claims today + those lynches would give us information

「(°ヘ°)

[Kanna]

Kanna

If you think im scum for deathtunnel meta

What do you think of fdrew falling me out for Flip flop Ping and being all over thé place?

Honestly, I can’t use that point because I don’t see things the same way as Drew if that makes sense

You’ve also misunderstood my scumread on you
>right now, I Do Not Know about you. I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before too
>the deathtunnel thing was for a very specific timeframe ~around the time you entered the game and before I outed the tell.
>most of my discussion has been about *that* and the tell itself because it just kept going back and forth
>although I do stand on DP’s side with the you vs him

gut says that question feels kind of like you just want to prove me wrong which feels weird, but I’m not getting into that

[Kanna]

Anyway, with an out captain

[Kanna]

just a suggestion but i really would not like more claims today for reasons

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Kanna]

Have you been consciously playing differently due to rolling captain?

¬2[// Hectic

Could you answer this, Kanna?

:@= Hectic

No (the actual answer)

Why did you ask this question?

[Kanna]

I feel like at the moment, I know enough things for there to be a slight advantage so I *suggest* we just stick to <DP, Ico>

I've been tring DP for ages so I think it's clear where I stand about that

But at the same time, I've never felt great about Drew and if people don't want to go Ico

[Kanna]

I guess it's about compromise at this point, but i still really want to nail in I *suggest* we just stick in the pool

[Kanna]

Mafia know if PRs/officers are town. I am doing my best to predict stuff and protect them

[Kanna]

it just makes my job harder if there's more variables basically please have some respect for your captain she is trying here

[Kanna]

I feel like his roleplay could have townie motivation though. I wouldn't go QQ

[Kanna]

do you not think he's a likely officer regardless?

WIFOM who knows

[Kanna]

btw, just to make sure, kanna, you've sent the orders in, yes?

Yes, they've been sent in.

[Kanna]

To walk the plank?

[Kanna]

s t r e s s

[Kanna]

A hypothetical question for Ico; would you, as a town ensign be willing to be the lynch?

just *would* you?

[Kanna]

I’m asking a hYPOTHETical question

[Kanna]

as in DP said he would be fine with being the lynch because he believes his flip will help

I’m just wondering if Ico has a different stance

p-edit: *shrug* I just wanted to see what kind of answer he would give

[Kanna]

...elaborate?

the ico hypothetical question is just bad even if its "hypothetical"

kanna just wants a townie to fall on their sword its bad

How do you know he's town?

Spoiler:

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Kanna]

just saying the logical approach is to out less PRs and therefore we should lynch DP since people don't want to lynch Ico

but I feel like Drew has more chance of being scum

[Kanna]

I think weighing it up, it's might actually be best to go DP even though I'm p sure he's town at this point

>less claims
>use his associative because he's been a pretty big discussion today

but feelsbad because DP is the person I see eye to eye most here

[Kanna]

There's PRs here I don't want to uncover because it messes up my orders.

just for 1 night we should let scum be blind

[Kanna]

Do not claim.

[Kanna]

This is not a Fun Game.

I've thought about this a lot of ways and I *think* it's probably best to cut our losses with claims here?

Thoughts?

[Kanna]

Yeah, this is optimal

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Kanna]

Mechanically, it's optimal. It just is.

It's not the time to fight, it's time to compromise/cut losses

[Kanna]

just for 1 night we should let scum be blind

thanks guys

[Kanna]

Actually I have a new proposal; if we don’t lynch DP today, can DP be treated as an IC from now on?

In DP I trust

In that case, I’d rather go Drew

VOTE: Drew-Sta

[Kanna]

And if we go this way, then drew needs to claim and if he claims something we do NOT want to lynch, we have to switch

And we don’t even know when Drew is coming online

This game I tell you

[Kanna]

I would still ~kind of prefer scum being blind today but maybe IC!DP is still an ok tradeoff

[Kanna]

thanks George for modding, release my pt for sad!salt

gg o7 this has been your captain signing out from the bottom of the sea (◞ ‸ ◟ㆀ)

[Kanna]

#Town!Ico.never.does.that.

please at least let it be known that this waste of a slot is actually town!Ico lol (kanna I'm looking at you)

sorry for tunneling you, Ico <3

[Kanna]

Spoiler: same

[Kanna]

it's your turn to die!

[Kanna]

it's your turn to die!

this sounded meaner than intended

[Kanna]

it's your turn to die!

this sounded meaner than intended

it sounds worse the more i think about it please someone delete this

[Kanna]

thanks

(/_\ ) i am so sorry