Micro 938: Butterfly Mafia [game over]

[Rectiplanes]

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey{/vote]

You know what you did.

And Lucky, I see you're doing stuff that looks scummy to me for no reason again. Pity that's not particularly helpful with you.

[Rectiplanes]

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

There we go, fixed that right up.

[Rectiplanes]

My spreadsheet has

evolved

. Driven by that loss, I have devised new methodologies and weightings specifically for players who, like you, look like piles of festering scum on fire when I run it through my normal calculations.

Has it improved? Dare I say it can peer into your play and divine the scum-nature of your soul?

Possibly... it did correctly pick you out as not-scum in Newbie1996 after I subbed in.

We'll see about this game.

[Rectiplanes]

If you're sheeping someone you find charming, and you're sheeping LuckyLuciano, and you're saying he's the least charming of all...

Does not compute, monkey.

P-Edit: I had said Newbie1996, not 1995.

P-Edit 2: Are you having fun, Lucky?

P-edit 3: Obviously not the last thing... you've voted for yourself twice, that's consistent.

[Rectiplanes]

You must not know me. So far it's apparently a law of the universe that I can't be scum, or something.

When that changes, I'll let you know.

At night.

With a bullet.

[Rectiplanes]

There are nine people, three of whom are reasonably active, yet we know that at least 7/9 have responded to the role PMs...

Who is making the less fun choice of talking in Scum PMs, rather than engaging in pointless bullshitting with us?

[Rectiplanes]

Did you get done warming up shitposting in the Mafia PM and come here to do so at a higher level?

Wait, the monkey is at L-1! Danger!

UNVOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

[Rectiplanes]

I object to a hammer two or three hours into the game - even if he already claimed.

[Rectiplanes]

It is true. His death is pleasing. But first he must suffer.

....

Then again, he was in Newbie1996, perhaps he has suffered enough?

P-Edit: I don't really see this lurking here? Maybe he went to the toilet. He's been known to do that at inopportune times. And while the three of us are having fun, incorporating the other players - even Votato - seems a good idea.

P-Edit: Happy birthday! You are one year closer to your inevitable demise! I don't know why people celebrate this!

[Rectiplanes]

Well, up until that autocorrect, I only had one townread, and you aren't it, HEM.

After that autocorrect... well, my reads haven't changed but I'm supporting your lynch more.

[Rectiplanes]

It isn't you.

And what about 55 made you ping, SirCakez?

Newbie1996 was a tire fire, which HEM won as scum, partly because he was on the toilet at a crucial point in LyLo and I mistook his lack of immediate reaction to something I did as town. So, literally everything in there is a reference to the last game we played together except wishing Daitisi some variety of happy birthday and a wish, now realized by your presence, for more players participating.

P-Edit: Call me Planes.

[Rectiplanes]

It's more like I don't know if tons and tons of spammy activity from three people (plus a couple of posts from Umlaut) is a great thing to have clogging up the beginning of the game.

P-Edit: Lucky played a game with me, too, though with both of them I replaced into the game, so they haven't seen my early game play yet.

[Rectiplanes]

I have a sample size of one on Planes meta, so I'm not gonna comment on that.
Also haven't seen him in early D1.
What say you about #75?

You didn't ask me, but I'm going to answer anyways. You were gone for 25 minutes, and then have posted every couple minutes consistently thereafter. Normally I wouldn't buy any credence to that being "lurking"...

and I still don't, not really, but I suppose I can see where in this Age of Tinfoil period of the game Lucky might think you are off giving directions to your scumbuddy on how to lynch obvtown and spread WIFOM as you are wont to do.

P-Edit: Mostly because you just ranted about Clidd's meta-diving, I suppose, so I thought little about you meta-diving me?

[Rectiplanes]

I haven't looked at my notes on players I've played with previously yet, actually. Though that's just three people here.

[Rectiplanes]

I'm going to

VOTE: Umlaut

because I don't like his style so far: the bare vote without a joke for me to start, the mild sheep/townread of Lucky when I don't see good reasons for doing that this early, I dunno, you feel like you're going through a list of things you planned on doing or something. No real pop or life/vibe to it, which is a feel I've gotten from everyone else in one way or another.

[Rectiplanes]

Rectie, what's your take on #75?

I answered it in #90?

[Rectiplanes]

I suppose I can see where in this Age of Tinfoil period of the game Lucky might think you are off giving directions to your scumbuddy on how to lynch obvtown and spread WIFOM as you are wont to do.

Nowhere did I imply that Monkey was pre-occupied in the mafia PT. I'm concerned that you came to this conclusion. My concern with Monkey has to do with the fact that he either picked the least convenient time to open the thread, or he was actively reading it and chose that particular moment to re-engage with the thread over other opportunities.

I had first said he might be on the toilet, way back in #55? I mean, I neither know nor particularly care what Monkey was doing then, because it's almost certainly nothing to do with the game. He's been pretty active since.

[Rectiplanes]

Now, really. Is that how you start the game, Hoctac?

[Rectiplanes]

OK, while I've got a few games under my belt that one's new on me. What's PL?

[Rectiplanes]

Ahh, that should have been obvious. It's the late hour, no doubt.

Welcome Knightmare, we meet again. As for Hoctac, I'm sure a PL won't be necessary; I assume prodging as a first post is their idea of a joke.

[Rectiplanes]

Lucky, Cakez, and Umlaut have played with Hoctac before, so I find Cakez's declaration that we might need to PL a bit more concerning after a bit of looking around? What's the deal with Hoctac?

[Rectiplanes]

Lucky tends to goof around at the beginning of games, it's a mild town indicator, I suppose, if anything. Not that he has much scum-play to look at; only one game and he subbed in on that one.

[Rectiplanes]

You know, I honestly feel scum wouldn't be that openly and audaciously lazy so as to basically read the first few posts and then go "I'll do more later"?

[Rectiplanes]

We now have heard from everyone except Looker. Who may, as his name implies, just be looking. Do you suppose he's looking, Lucky? I want to hear LuckyLuciano's Looker lurking logic. What do you think? Could I jam a few more L's in there?

I can do ridiculous, I think, though I prefer a more serious game. We shall see? I would feel sorry for Clidd if he replaced into this game, however, or a few other players I was with in Newbie games.

[Rectiplanes]

Lucky has been town in the games we've mutually played in, but he ended up looking scummy as hell for fair chunks of both games for seemingly no good, useful reason, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, Lucky had issue with almost everything I did in Newbie1995, so it's more of a massive clash of personality styles/methods of attacking the game.

As for pronouns, I don't care, and it sounds weird coming from you, because you're not one of the people with a little pronoun tag under their avatar, either.

Covering what you're saying about me, I like to say when I've played with people before so that people who haven't played with these players can ask questions (and, when there's multiple people who've played together, try to evaluate our mutual responses). As for amusing references to previous games, eh, I don't think of it as particularly indicative one way or the other. We all know we might have different AI this time.

And sorting Lucky in any serious way early on seems like a bad idea, because of his aforementioned tendency to make weird scummy plays as town. Resolve him later, when you have more of a holistic body of work to deal with, rather than accidentally bias yourself one way or another too early.

[Rectiplanes]

hoctac is trolling at this point right? either way, this is fantastic.

Yes, it's true. This game is fucking hilarious.

[Rectiplanes]

i feel like rather than trying to find scum we should just ask them not to nightkill and in exchange we will nolynch. this can be a social thread. hoctac can analyze our shitposts forever!

You bastard. This is the scummiest thing you've done yet. Implying that the perfection of this level of bullshitting can be maintained forever without diminishment. You are wrong! The banter is fleeting, like dreams of yesteryear, to fade into mindless soulless prod-dodging dearth of content served up by a thousand humorless people replacing in and out. Cherish this, for its glory is transitory yet in the passage of time, all the more poignant in memory. For some, like Monkey, more transitory than others, as they head towards a swift and well-earned lynching.

I can't channel any more pretentious Hallmark card sentimentality, proceed.

[Rectiplanes]

Do we have to rehash this again? That wasn't bragging; Clidd outright dismissed my entire readlist peremptorily and I brought it up briefly to say "Hey, I think I'm doing

something

right" rather than "I am so awesome, fear me".

Remember, I was attempting to juggle responding to Clidd's attacks

and

actually write the giant wallpost I was working on.

[Rectiplanes]

I mean that he did so without even waiting for an explanation, and then we got derailed into a running fight that ended up not letting me give an explanation, etc, etc.

Do recall that the third person in my trio of people to poke at was, in fact, scum, but we never got to him because of the annoying running fight.

[Rectiplanes]

Well, that plus you hammered a guy while everyone was asleep without letting him claim, after you repeatedly and blatantly softed being a PR when you were no such thing. If that's the only game where you've been trying to look obvtown I tremble with anticipation at what you'll do in this game to look scummier!

Also, calling me a boomer is a low down, dirty move. I'm not quite that old.

P-Edit: Yes, yes, but Lucky misrepping how I operate is annoying as all fuck.

[Rectiplanes]

Maduisha calling me that creeped the hell out of me, Lucky.

[Rectiplanes]

We're all practicing social distancing now? What if someone demands we wear masks, too? I don't have an alt.

[Rectiplanes]

There really isn't residual tension? Or at least wasn't until #

137

? People have wildly different play styles and notions on what tactics are good, shocker.

[Rectiplanes]

Since it may not be clear, my vote on Monkey is a gut ping, not RVS. His decision to lurk rather than engage, and his decision to deflect attention from himself by asking Umlaut to provide reads, rather than making reads himself, both are reason enough to warrant a srs bznss vote.

This is the only decent point in this game so far, everything else is whatever.

It honestly says more about Lucky than it does about Monkey, and it doesn't say too much about Lucky. Umlaut had it upside down in 75: Lucky's stretch, not his goofiness, is the most AI thing he'd done. It doesn't mean anything about Monkey at all.

You're right in that it was one of the first posts with any sort of AI content at all, but I can see others. Lucky in #94 is another extremely minor townlean point, since scum would have presumably bothered to be a little more careful (I had previously joked that HEM was on the toilet, so the post he's responding to certainly isn't a real conclusion).

Monkey's asking me a question in #95 that I'd already answered speaks to some degree of not actually paying attention to the thread, and #99 feels like he's saying he has a serious, non-joke TL on me.

[Rectiplanes]

Confirming status L-1! Read this line as if voiced by Liberty Prime! All systems nominal. Shitposting... is non-negotiable!

[Rectiplanes]

Interesting! Are you going to make him confirm his claim of being a

Town Loud Visitor

?

[Rectiplanes]

All right. I'm going to sleep, I'll see what happens overnight.

[Rectiplanes]

The entirety of the off wagon vote was town!

It's either (Knightmare, Umlaut, Votato), I think. Probably both scum are in those three.

[Rectiplanes]

I am

informed

that Hoactac is town. I am also informed that he is informed about someone. I further deduce two other town roles are still alive.

Massclaim may be game-winning under the circumstances?

[Rectiplanes]

I need grist for the number mill before I can use it, Lucky, and Day one was short and mostly shit posting.

[Rectiplanes]

I deduce that there are two town roles still alive unless Datisi is a massive troll in role PMs, yes.

[Rectiplanes]

There are at least four town power roles still alive is what I meant.

I am on the phone and it is driving me crazy eating posts and randomly cutting off the internet so I am having to retype stuff, sorry.

[Rectiplanes]

I don't want to say more on that front until Hoactac checks in, sorry.

[Rectiplanes]

I had meant to say "two other" power roles in that quote, for four total TPRs still alive, rewriting posts the phone keeps eating is driving me insane.

[Rectiplanes]

There could be one VT, actually, as there are five living townies.

P-edit: I am a crappy little backup role. I am informed Hoactac is also a backup. I deduce the people we back up must exist, unless Datisi is a troll.

[Rectiplanes]

That's completely absurd and insane. Ugh.

[Rectiplanes]

Anyways lynch on wagon today.

[Rectiplanes]

Lynch from the HEM wagon of day one.

[Rectiplanes]

What the fuck, Hoactac.

I am

informed

that Hoactac is

town

.

The only reason I revealed as much as I did is because I made the naive assumption - this is my first game out of the Newbie queue - that backups would only exist to present role and, therefore, we could generate a huge conftown block today.

I don't know what constructive purpose Hoactac's dissembling serves; I shall have no part of it.

[Rectiplanes]

That guy showed up and hammered before this game was much more than half a day old (blitz game is that way, folks) and Monkey got to talk in twilight.

Did he want Looker the quickhammerer lynched?

No, he wanted more conventionally scummy guys picked apart. He wanted us to look at guys like Knightmare and Umlaut.

[Rectiplanes]

A vote on me is straight up trolling after the events of today. So is quickhammering the Monkey. Looker is remarkably consistent and game-legible for someone who has a grand total of two posts.

Math says Votato is (probably) not the scum I'm looking for. Math also likes LL for town, which backs up my feelings. Hoctac is conftown, so am I.

Assuming Looker is not Super King Openwolf it's pretty much Knightmare/Umlaut by PoE.

Knightmare flip will be clarifying on Votato. So:

VOTE: Knightmare.

[Rectiplanes]

What kind of professional math dork?

[Rectiplanes]

Ha

Well basically I have two ways of analyzing it, one is by turning reads (explicit or inferred from actions) into a pile of vectors and seeing which ones are misaligned; those are often scum or PRs. The other is a confusing mess of weighted reads on posts (both mine and other players) which is then further run through some kludgy stuff based on player "style".

The former is much more elegant and interesting because you can check them over time as people's reads evolve (and people are resolved as town/scum). Absolutely nobody is sitting there thinking about "how is my read-vector spinning in multidimensional space" when they're scum, so it has the advantage of being pretty hard to fake.

I don't particularly want to go into it more than that, I think of it as my own personal project/amusement/secret sauce. But honestly you can probably roll your own from what I've told you. Have fun with it.

[Rectiplanes]

This game is basically chock full of garbage because of the memeing, honestly, so the results are more messy than I would like. But it does like Lucky and Votato for town and likes you (Umlaut) for scum.

[Rectiplanes]

Now everyone studying my meta will meme hard in every game...

....

I am strangely OK with that.

[Rectiplanes]

Well, Looker, who is scum to you?

[Rectiplanes]

Hmmm... i dont think both looker and knightmare are scum. But i also think there has to be one scum in there.

If you don't think both Looker and Knightmare are scum, who do you think is scum outside of these? The pool is mighty small for scum to be hiding in:

Conftown (Rectiplanes, Hoctac)
You (Votato)
Pair of (Knightmare, Looker), of whom you don't think both are scum, which means you think there is a scum in:
(LuckyLuciano, Umlaut)

[Rectiplanes]

Why do you ask? Are you trying to sort me or do you value my opinion? (don't blame you tbh, I won a few scummies back in the 90s)

both. im still trying to verify that you arent a very very brave scum. it also is just odd, so im curious even if you are conftown. seems like a pretty quick turnaround there.

Well, let's look at the ways today plays out. Let's say we hang Knightmare. OK.

-Hang Knightmare and he flips

scum

- well, then, Hoctac and I are both confirmed town, end of story.

-Hang Knightmare and he flips

town

. OK. Scum can either NK one of us or not.

--If one of us dies from NK then again we're both mutually confirmed town.

--If the scum decide

not

to NK us - out of WIFOM motives, I suppose - the game enters a very odd reverse LyLo where the scumteam is at a massive disadvantage: if the scumteam can't fool the third townie into voting for one of us, the scumteam is in a very bad situation (work through the possibilities)

Most likely Hoctac and I are the next two NKs. But in any case, we're not scum and that should prove obvious going forward.

[Rectiplanes]

Offtopic, but do you have a schedule for when you change your Pokemon avatar, Hoctac?

[Rectiplanes]

Not really, I just noticed they change a lot.

Apart from that, Looker's last post gave us actual content. Still want to know who Looker looks at for scum beyond Knightmare.

[Rectiplanes]

Explain this math to me

No. This isn't math class, and I don't need/want silly arguments over methodology, which is what this inevitably derails into. It's a personal project; consider these reads my personally held opinion reached through judgment.

and don't ignore my questions.

I had honestly thought this was rhetorical, not a real question, but I shall answer it now.

Why do his reads have any credibility? Yeah he was town, doesn't mean that his reads were any good.

HumanEatingMonkey is confirmed town, and thus his opinions carry some weight. I have some experience of his abilities and would add more weight to them. I understand you feel there want anything to go off of on day one, and it was extraordinarily short and full of bullshitting, but there was some small actual content to work with and I believe HEM saw some of it and made some reads based on it.

[Rectiplanes]

There were some nuggets to work with in that sea of silliness. Those have a somewhat stronger signal than you'd think because it's hard to be funny and advance a scum agenda at the same time, that divides focus fairly strongly. So while I feel his reaction to your post was exaggerated it was real; I had a similar "What, no reads?" reaction in my head to that post.

P-edit: Votato sounds sarcastic? And in the former one, it sound like cocky town that thinks he's got a live on one the line. Which doesn't tell me much about you, but it's revealing about Votato.

P-edit 2: I actually like Umlaut for scum even more than you; you just had a vote to start with.

[Rectiplanes]

Yeah, we're informed of each other being town. So, either we're both scum or town.

Why are you voting Recti still?

You just answered your own question.

Yeah, if he doesn't have answers for my questions, he's getting policied.

Go for it.

Meh, not buying this anger, Knightmare. Why you so mad, bro? You've caught the scumteam - Looker + votato apparently. Why aren't you happy?

The scumteam caught themselves with a bold "we're confirming each other as town" gambit

im ok with lynching in {me, looker} today if it means we lynch knightmare tomorrow if its a town flip. but i guess i dont honestly believe looker is gonna flip town either.

I don't understand what you're doing here. If votato's "okay" being killed, lol, go for it. I'm not being roped into whatever gambit you have going on.

This sort of stuff is why I have a harder time with Looker being scum than Knightmare or Umlaut. Yeah, Looker's activity is often anti-town. It's also, however, blatantly

anti-scum

if he's scum. For whatever reason, he's decided that Hoctac and I are lying about pretty much everything connected with our roles - but literally the second we die, everything we said about each other is confirmed, and if he were scum, he'd know this. He can't lead us to a lynch (because he'd be proven wrong) and he can't have us killed (because he'd be proven wrong) and he can't really leave us alive (because we're sure as fuck confirmed to each other and you don't want such a pseudo-masonry around at LyLo) which leaves what for scum-Looker?

---

• @Rectiplanes: Are you saying that I think Knightmare is scum?
  
• @Umlaut: Maybe no one wants to openly commit to a mislynch. Maybe they don't have the balls that I did.
  • I also think it's funny that you said "Lucky hasn't said anything today, but, MORE SPECIFICALLY, he hasn't said anything about LOOKER!"

I assumed so at the time, because I did not possibly believe that you could think Hoctac and I weren't town. In that light, I read the line as "put that vote back on Knightmare and I'll prove how much I think he's scum, ya chicken", because you certainly have no lack for brass. As you've made it clear that you think we're engaged in some sort of insane scum gambit, I'm no longer really convinced of your reading Knightmare as scum, though, like Hoctac, I would like a readlist to clarify your positions further.

[Rectiplanes]

This sort of stuff is why I have a harder time with Looker being scum than Knightmare or Umlaut. Yeah, Looker's activity is often anti-town. It's also, however, blatantly

anti-scum

if he's scum. For whatever reason, he's decided that Hoctac and I are lying about pretty much everything connected with our roles - but literally the second we die, everything we said about each other is confirmed, and if he were scum, he'd know this. He can't lead us to a lynch (because he'd be proven wrong) and he can't have us killed (because he'd be proven wrong) and he can't really leave us alive (because we're sure as fuck confirmed to each other and you don't want such a pseudo-masonry around at LyLo) which leaves what for scum-Looker?

Looker NKs you or Hoctac tonight
"Oops, I guess they're town after all"
Looker just pushes whoever tomorrow

How is this not a way out?

(TLDR summary: his play is blatantly anti-everything and he probably will have to go tomorrow, but on balance he's more likely to be town than not at the moment)

OK, let's look at that world. We lynch Knightmare today, Hoctac or I gets whacked tomorrow, leaving us with:

(Rectiplanes/Hoctac)

, Votato, LuckyLuciano, Umlaut, Looker.

If

Knightmare

flips scum:

• Votato looks much better
  Umlaut looks somewhat better
  Looker looks even more scuzzy
  Unless someone gets some kind of investigative result
  We hang Looker; if wrong, we used up our last mislynch (but that's fine, do you want town-Looker at three-person LyLo?)

If

Knightmare

flips town:

• Then Looker pretty much has to be Super King Openwolf regardless of his partner, hang him.

I mean Looker's play is basically borderline suicidal (let's quickhammer less than 24 hours into day one, then scumread the pair of revealed informed town!), which is harder to reconcile with him being scum than with him being town going YOLO. He's

probably

almost certainly

tomorrow's lynch, but I think the probability is against him being scum, and if he's town we can use his vote today.

[Rectiplanes]

Yes, Hoctac, it was difficult, and required a lot of effort - but I did read my role PM, and it helped a lot in resolving you.

[Rectiplanes]

OK, let's look at that world. We lynch Knightmare today, Hoctac or I gets whacked tomorrow, leaving us with:

(Rectiplanes/Hoctac)

, Votato, LuckyLuciano, Umlaut, Looker.

If

Knightmare

flips scum:

• Votato looks much better
  Umlaut looks somewhat better
  Looker looks even more scuzzy
  Unless someone gets some kind of investigative result
  We hang Looker; if wrong, we used up our last mislynch (but that's fine, do you want town-Looker at three-person LyLo?)

If

Knightmare

flips town:

• Then Looker pretty much has to be Super King Openwolf regardless of his partner, hang him.

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding because it sounds like you're saying

• if Knightmare is scum then that makes Looker more likely scum, and
  
• if Knightmare is town then that makes Looker more likely scum.

This seems contradictory. If your read is going to move in the same direction regardless of the evidence then why do you need to wait on the evidence to move it?

It's dependent on scum killing one of us (which, honestly, is very much the most likely outcome) as well. For all I know, they may not, looking for some kind of wacky WIFOM angle. I think that would be crazy and suicidal but when has that necessarily stopped anybody?

Though yes, I did have that feeling when writing the post (Why

not

hang Looker today?) but it basically boils down to the fact that, while his behavior is ludicrously anti-town, it's even more ludicrously anti-scum, and, if possible, I'd rather town gain what it can while we can from him. If that makes any sense.

[Rectiplanes]

• @Lucky: I was definitely supposed to vote for Rectiplanes yesterday - it was the more reasonable or practical approach.

I want to clarify if you're saying your hammer was an accident because I don't believe that for a second the way you're posting today.

Clearly it was a slip of the fingers... multiple times. Buttons for 'Rectiplanes' are right next to the ones for 'HumanEatingMonkey'. I've accidentally typed his name instead of mine several times. It's a mistake anyone could make, like saying 'Goodbye' on a vote you didn't mean to be the hammer, but only the second vote on the wagon.

Now that he's confirmed that he was "supposed" to vote me on Day One - which he hadn't done as of my previous post regarding my read on him and why he was likely the lynch for tomorrow - his behavior makes even less sense. How was it

supposed

to be on me? Spellcheck gotcha? You fucked up when reading the Super Seekrit Scumplan in PR? The urge to hammer overwhelmed you for no good reason? What the hell do you mean by that?

Maybe we do move you up to today, for sanity's sake.

[Rectiplanes]

This meta dive is the sort that will require alcohol, isn't it?

[Rectiplanes]

I honestly still like Umlaut for scum more than Lucky.

How I look at the game:

HumanEatingMonkey

RIP

SirCakez

RIP

Rectiplanes

Hoctac

Votato
LuckyLuciano

Looker

Umlaut
Knightmare

What makes Lucky's inactivity leading him to be scumread fairly strongly by you, Votato? It's making me mildly more suspicious (shown here by putting him at the same level as you, whereas before I townread him somewhat more strongly) but you've got a deeper suspicion. You have some knowledge or ideas here to share?

[Rectiplanes]

How about I ask you instead? Because right now Knightmare is kinda in my sights over Looker's slot. The infamous math wants Looker, but I've found his play so blatantly suicidal if he's scum that I had a hard time crediting him as scum.

It's getting easier after reading through other Looker games, though.

Give the hot take, Lucky.

[Rectiplanes]

I can see him being a total agent of chaos as scum for shits and giggles after reading up on some meta of his, and for lack of a better word his game feels different from some town games I read. Possibly - this is just speculation - the absurdly unserious and goofy air of the beginning of the game made a lolhammer entrance irresistable - how many games would you be able to hammer someone as your first post and maybe play it off due to everyone being silly the first day?

[Rectiplanes]

Can we agree to win the game now, or are we still courting the idea of losing?

You always need to be an ass, eh?

I wanted you to provide some solid perspective because I'm townreading you and I want to be able to point to this later, in addition to the whole Looker vs Knightmare lynch thing.

[Rectiplanes]

Anyways.

UNVOTE: Knightmare

VOTE: Looker

Only reason Looker was off my shortlist was because I felt his play was too insanely suicidal/openwolf to actually be scum.

Have reconsidered that; I'm OK with taking the vote.

[Rectiplanes]

Siigh

Now we see if Lucky's really a doublevoter... if he is, double-voters are usually town-aligned, right? Or they're scum aligned but strong.... if they're scum aligned and strong, we may have the roles we're backing up after all, Hoctac. Man battle stations, just in case.

[Rectiplanes]

Let me get this straight, you two are assuming the scumteam is Votato/Looker, both of them YOLOscum without a plan just running around playing Calvinball?

[Rectiplanes]

and to be honest if there were a scumpair to do it without at least one scum having a coronary about it you two would be prime candidates. I'm just wanting people to give that thought a sanity check.

[Rectiplanes]

Should we massclaim? I want to leave that up to Planes here but it seems like a reasonable thing to do.

I'm uncertain how many roles there actually are now; out of naivety I thought there would be main roles for Hoctac and I to backup into, but.... eh. I'm amenable to massclaim with my claim going last. Everyone else OK with that? We're in LyLo now, so cards on the table, I figure.

[Rectiplanes]

Pick someone to go next.

[Rectiplanes]

Right here.

I'm rather tired. Tomorrow will not be a fun day, either. I don't anticipate making a vote before the weekend comes (and, joy-oh-joy, I have a shift on Saturday).

The balance of probabilities says at least one of Lucky/Votato are scum, given the existence of their putting a vote out and some ten hours having passed since Votato voted. A prospective Umlaut/Knightmare scumteam could have already gotten their shit together and hammered at some point. From my perspective I'm agreeable with this division of the remaining unknowns into two pairs of players who were close on my readlist yesterday. It's more illuminating than a 1vs1 of, say, Lucky versus Knightmare would be, especially with associatives for everyone tomorrow.

I suppose since everyone else has claimed, I will go ahead and tell everyone that I am a

Town Informed Backup Doctor

, and I was informed of Hoctac's alignment and role at the start of the game.

[Rectiplanes]

Wow.... don't everyone talk at once.

After work tomorrow I'll reread everything and ask some questions. In the meantime, today we have LuckyLuciano vs Votato. One of them is scum. For the sake of argument let's say we lynch correctly. Day Four LyLo will almost certainly be Umlaut, Knightmare, and the winner of the LuckyLuciano/Votato 1vs1.

It's probably helpful to discuss who people think is the scum out of Umlaut/Knightmare as well, to generate some associatives for town to work with tomorrow and maybe complicate scum's life a bit today. Everyone agree?

[Rectiplanes]

After rereading everything:

Knightmare

is town.

[Rectiplanes]

Possibilities:

Umlaut/Knightmare

-

Literally Impossible

- game would already be over as they'd have coordinated a vote on either Lucky or Votato.

Votato/LuckyLuciano - As of the beginning of the day, the reads of the players who weren't me were:

• LuckyLuciano: (Votato & KM/Umlaut) (way to be decisive there)
  Votato: (LuckyLuciano & Knightmare)
  Knightmare: (LuckyLuciano & Votato)
  Umlaut: (LuckyLuciano & Votato)

Note that we know that Knightmare and Umlaut cannot be scum together. Of (Votato, Knightmare, Umlaut), all are scumreading LuckyLuciano; as one of them is the remaining scum, if Lucky is scum, one of them has to be scum bussing LuckyLuciano. We also see that of (LuckyLuciano, Knightmare, Umlaut), all are scumreading Votato; if Votato is scum, as one of them is the remaining scum, one of them has to be scum bussing Votato, too. In any case, scum is bussing today.

Let's prove that...

If LuckyLuciano or Votato are scum, in either case, this is trivially proved. Let's work through the logic of them being town and work through the logic there...

Town LuckyLuciano: Then scum is either (Knightmare/Votato or Votato/Umlaut); in either case, scum is still bussing.
Town Votato: Then scum is either LuckyLuciano/Knightmare or LuckyLuciano/Umlaut); in either case, scum is still bussing.

Let's take Lucky up on his offer in #694.

[Rectiplanes]

After rereading the whole game, I have a strong suspicion that the solve may well be (Votato, LuckyLuciano).

Let's put this to the acid test.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[Rectiplanes]

Hmm, perhaps not?

[Rectiplanes]

So you two were the scumteam.

Such is life.

[Rectiplanes]

Yes, Looker trashed two days for town. Votato was more likely to be scum than Lucky, but to be perfectly honest, Lucky's attitude annoyed me to the point where, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and if I'm right, I'm right, but either way maybe he'll tone down the smug/jerk tendencies in the future.

GG to all except Looker. Loads of fun at first, though.

[Rectiplanes]

WOTC?

If that means you're not playing in games with him, then that makes sense.

[Rectiplanes]

No, in retrospect, Cakez was a good NK for anyone. Looker was practically guaranteed to be mislynched, you and I are fairly new, Hoctac was trolling, HEM was dead. It was either going to be Cakez or Lucky under those circumstances and Cakez had far more PR equity.