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Post Post #1102 (isolation #200) » Mon May 18, 2020 10:23 pm

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are you that sure about town!conspire?

how about YOU help ME out then and explain that read to me?
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #201) » Tue May 19, 2020 6:24 pm

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In post 1113, Ame wrote:Scum securing his position while he waits for Pink.
i don't think i've seen you do anything but shading this day

why pink? the team was ico+? according to you so??
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #202) » Tue May 19, 2020 7:28 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #203) » Tue May 19, 2020 7:30 pm

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In post 1120, Ame wrote:Please unvote. I'll be back within the next couple of days to actually engage with you on everything.
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #204) » Tue May 19, 2020 7:32 pm

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In post 1114, Isis wrote:I think I've probably played this whole game within my scumrange
isis did you have a lot of fun this game?
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #205) » Tue May 19, 2020 7:34 pm

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In post 1112, Conspire wrote:Isis, would you say you're out of your scumrange?

Kindred is very busy with her RPGs currently, she'll be back in a couple of days and then we're going to read through everything and you'll see a 100% accurate game solve from us. Probably.

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if you guys could tell me why we shouldn't lynch you after ame that would be great

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Post Post #1128 (isolation #206) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:30 pm

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In post 1126, Conspire wrote:will post some thoughts soon.
no salt but eh

those thoughts better be game related -_-

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Post Post #1130 (isolation #207) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:36 pm

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In post 1129, Isis wrote:Iconeum I have a thought for you

you are cute
isis are you toying with me
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #208) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:37 pm

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like you play with your cats

dangling a rope in front of ithem seeing how they are distracted by it

giggling at how easy it is to make them do something?
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #209) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:54 pm

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i need your thoughts on mr pink and conspire
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #210) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:57 pm

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In post 882, Isis wrote:I'm townreading Conspire and it's scary
In post 1103, Isis wrote:i'm not remotely sure about town!conspire

I am really sure about rpgmaster!kanna
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #211) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:58 pm

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In post 1134, Ame wrote:Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerning

Spoiler: Ico don't read
Prediction: Ico calls out my post as being hypocritical
OMG THAT'S SO HYPOC-

wait
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #212) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:00 pm

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VOTE: ame

you are literally aware of the fact you are calling me scum and are unable to 'substantiate' it yourself
but when someone else does that it's concerning?

town!ame wouldn't be shading her townread for doing what she is doing herself
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #213) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:05 pm

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In post 1142, Ame wrote:Let us talk it through to see if we can come to an understanding between each other first.
you already made it clear you don't wanna engage with me

hypocrisie isn't a scumtell sure

but you are 'concerned' about your townread when she's doing the exact same thing you are doing and if ur town that's just not genuine
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #214) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:06 pm

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In post 1144, Isis wrote:Ico pls to unvote
i'm not lynching outside of (ame/ame/ame/ame/ame) so i don't really see why i should unvote

she didn't get lynched overnight so i'm also curious to see what you think of that
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #215) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:11 pm

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I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ANYONE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT READS FOR LITERALLY DAYS

ISIS IS PROBS TOWN BUT SHE ONLY TALKS CATTISH AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT TOO BUT I DON'T THINK THE MESSAGE IS COMING ACROSS

CONSPIRE IS LURKING
YOU ARE LURKING AS SEEN HOW YOU ONLY STARTED TO POST WHEN I VOTED YOU
MR PINK ISNT LURKING HE'S JUST GONE

forgive me when I don't have the patience when I feel scum is trying to drag this along probably hoping for a miracle
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #216) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:12 pm

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In post 1150, Ame wrote:it's very likely scum will be able to hammer.
i think there's a very small chance of that happening because i think you are scum

i also feel my vote overnight not ending the game supports that
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #217) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:15 pm

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In post 1151, Isis wrote:Ico is creeping me a lil
i'm creeping YOU out?

you've been talking about scum!ame all the time but haven't really tried to engage with her (or me) to confirm/alter your opinion there
and when I push this game forward with a vote all of a sudden you go full 'omg ico ur voting ame ur creeping me out'

my vote was there overnight, nothing happened

why do you think that is?
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #218) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:22 pm

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In post 1160, Ame wrote:But most likely Ico is just scum and was banking on Isis to quick follow his vote.
ur here

ur posting

stop stalling
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #219) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:25 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #220) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:27 pm

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spicey

since you are here and posting, care to finally make that case on me?
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #221) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:28 pm

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isis why do you not want my vote on ame?
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #222) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:29 pm

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In post 1169, Isis wrote:Like locking in Ame early left/leaves conspire and pink alive and even with ame scum those need sorting
have you been reading my posts where i'm asking you to explain your reads on pink and conspire?
you call conspire town in 1 post and then you say ur anything but sure about it

and when i'm asking your thoughts on it you evade it
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #223) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:30 pm

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i've made a big case on pink as well and there's been exactly ZERO responses to it by ANYONE
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #224) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:30 pm

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but i'm moving the game too fast?
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #225) » Tue May 19, 2020 9:30 pm

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sorry guys i'm really getting anoyed here i'm taking a break
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #226) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:29 am

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In post 1191, Mr Pink wrote:ugh fine VOTE: unvote
can you please respond to actual questions so people who are in lylo know what to do
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #227) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:15 pm

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In post 1194, Mr Pink wrote:
In post 1192, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1191, Mr Pink wrote:ugh fine VOTE: unvote
can you please respond to actual questions so people who are in lylo know what to do
low hanging fruit +scum
What is this in response to? Or am i low hanging fruit scum?
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #228) » Thu May 21, 2020 6:08 pm

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In post 1199, Mr Pink wrote:I was describing the post
how is that possible when the scumteam is you + ame

right?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #229) » Thu May 21, 2020 6:16 pm

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In post 1029, Iconeum wrote:Mr Pink, explain why you hammered Jake
Because your ISO shows you were pretty set on isis/ico/ame for literally the entire game

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In post 153, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Iconeum
In post 173, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: ame
VOTE: isis
VOTE: iconeum
In post 345, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: ame
In post 371, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: iconeum
VOTE: ame
In post 372, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: isis
In post 514, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: Iconeum
I know it's you two. I just fucking know it. A professional like myself just understands this shit.
In post 550, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: Iconeum
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Ame
In post 721, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: ame
VOTE: isis
VOTE: iconeum
In post 800, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
In post 900, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
In post 910, Mr Pink wrote:ooc: wait so it's double days every day??

6 alive 4 town 2 scum

if we hit 1 town 1 sucm today...

enter night with 4 alive 3 town 1 scum
and then its classic 3p lylo

pedit: fuckin hell
In post 942, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote isis
In post 944, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: ame
VOTE: iconeum
In post 951, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: jake Don't make me regret this.


and then you suddenly 'realized' you had 2 lynches today in which you had to hit at least 1 scum
so town!logic would suggest you try to push a lynch in your 3 scumreads seeing you should have very good odds of hitting at least 1 scum and helping you sort there

and you chose to lynch jake? Why?
Literally all I could see was you asking
Isis
(you know, one of the 3 scumreads you had all game) if she was sure she wanted you to hammer
In post 949, Mr Pink wrote:That's how I know you are the real deal, Isis. There's a reason I ain't pointing my gun your way no more. I trust you a lot more. Do you still want me to fire the shot at Jake? I'm kinda feelin' it now.
you were literally hiding behind the slot you were scumreading all game for that hammer on someone you barely even mentioned all game long

also noting that you 'trust isis a lot more' and they way you ask 'do you still want me to do this' is just scum pinging me like crazy

and then you held on to that sudden townread of isis for exactly the hammer and flip, because right after you turned again:
In post 954, Mr Pink wrote:What the fuck? Why do you trust the dragon that much? FUCK I bet you're in cahoots.
In post 956, Mr Pink wrote:You're the cops?? I fucking knew it.
In post 1018, Mr Pink wrote:i thought it was ico+isis but that's not the case if isis is town but im not sure of that anymore i just feel like the way you two vibed together is unnatrual for tvt

it's starting to smell like donuts here, i tell ya

does ame+mr pink make sense? haven't read them in ISO yet
i'll just repost this hoping someone wants to talk about it
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #230) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:39 am

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In post 1203, Mr Pink wrote:i fucking lynched jake because i had a solid tr on isis and my general strategy to win as town was to find who is town and then sheep them

if you think im scum then how abotu you fucking vote me
you specifically did NOT have a solid townread on Isis as per my case on you if you would actually bother to read it
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #231) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:40 am

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lol ame + pink confirmed?
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #232) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:43 am

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it's all in that big post i quoted, pink

you scumread isis all game
when jake needed hammering you called her town and said you were comfortable sheeping your big townread

and today isis is back on your scumlist lol
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #233) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 am

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In post 1204, Mr Pink wrote:actually im gonna do this because im so confident about this scum read that i will accept responsibility for "losing this lylo" if scum hammers u
VOTE: iconeum
you know you still haven't actually made a case on why i'm scum here?

can you sum it up in bullet points or smt?
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #234) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 am

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In post 1209, Mr Pink wrote:and i know isis is green
where did this townread come from? you've literally called isis scum ALL GAME
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #235) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:51 am

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pink scumreading isis all game up until jake hammer with 1 (one) post to townread isis
Spoiler:
In post 99, Mr Pink wrote:Isis you just keep on tap tap yapping! So much bark and no bite! Fuck, I bet if you were a waitress I won't be the only person not to give you a too. Be a professional and only say the important shit. Capiche?
In post 100, Mr Pink wrote:
In post 99, Mr Pink wrote:Isis you just keep on tap tap yapping! So much bark and no bite! Fuck, I bet if you were a waitress I won't be the only person not to give you a tip. Be a professional and only say the important shit. Capiche?
OOC: ebwop

You know what? There is no way you're not the rat! VOTE: Isis
In post 153, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Iconeum
In post 173, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: ame
VOTE: isis
VOTE: iconeum
In post 372, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: isis
In post 512, Mr Pink wrote:Listen sweetheart, I remember what you were like on Valentine's Day when we were moving hot and fast. I'll never forget the way we danced back then and could tell that you were the real deal. But now you seem way fucking different on this job and it gives me the heebie-jeebies.

VOTE: isis

OOC:
@mod please delete the duplicate post slip with identical info that also compromises by secret identity


Sorry I'm late, damage likely been done, I did it anyways. That was your one free shot, next time you pay full price. -E
In post 514, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: Iconeum
I know it's you two. I just fucking know it. A professional like myself just understands this shit.
In post 550, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: unvote all
VOTE: Iconeum
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Ame
In post 721, Mr Pink wrote:VOTE: ame
VOTE: isis
VOTE: iconeum


suddenly you townread Isis
In post 949, Mr Pink wrote:That's how I know you are the real deal, Isis. There's a reason I ain't pointing my gun your way no more. I trust you a lot more. Do you still want me to fire the shot at Jake? I'm kinda feelin' it now.
then after the lynch you resort back to scumreading isis:

Spoiler:
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In post 956, Mr Pink wrote:You're the cops?? I fucking knew it.


there's a bunch of townread posts from you later on as well, which i don't get
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #236) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:52 am

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In post 1214, Mr Pink wrote:THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUCKING WHY I TR ISIS.

are you trying to fucking ignore my point to piss me off? because it's fucking working
if you townread isis previously for that reason, why did you scumread her after that?
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #237) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:53 am

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holy shit please don't be pink + conspire lol

that would be spicey
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #238) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:54 am

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am i literally being used as a blood
hound
dragon to lynch ame today?
is that why i'm alive?

:eek:
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #239) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:54 am

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ISIS AME GET IN HERE
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #240) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:55 am

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conspire would really appreciate you take a stance on this game now

it's fucking time
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #241) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:56 am

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In post 1209, Mr Pink wrote:youve been giving me this scum vibe all game so i feel way better than to 50/50 that this statistically must be
ok so

you hard townread isis
isis hard townreads me
you hard scumread me

do you see the issue here?
if ur town you need to take a step back, breathe, and work this shit out
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #242) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:57 am

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i... just quoted it?
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #243) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:58 am

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954+956
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #244) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:58 am

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and if that single post/reason is why you townread isis

why did you scumread her all game? what was that based on?
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #245) » Fri May 22, 2020 1:59 am

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Pink just so you know

i tend to scumread people who take a tone on me like you are doing now

if ur town

you are literally gamethrowing
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #246) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:00 am

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if you scumread me

do you think it's me + conspire or me + ame?

and how do any of those 2 make any kind of sense?
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #247) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:02 am

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In post 1230, Mr Pink wrote:ugh i have to link this shit for myself
ok but i literally just quoted those on the last page for you to read...
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #248) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:04 am

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In post 1232, Isis wrote:Can it be Ame+conspire and pink is just gone batty?
like i just said, i tend to scumread that tone he's having

scum!pink + ame don't win by pushing me, they can only win by pushing conspire (now)

scum!pink + conspire can win by pushing me, because they probably have ame's vote


that's why i did that hot take on pink + conspire
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #249) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:05 am

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and town!ame is a huge 'oh' moment in the why am i still alive question in my head
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #250) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:07 am

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In post 1233, Mr Pink wrote:those posts are brainworm

pedit jake is dead?
why did you scumread isis all game and how come that changed so easily on 1 (one) post? And just at a convenient time to lynch jake without you taking all the flak for it as well (hiding behind isis: 'are you really sure? i mean i *could* lynch him' ergo you)
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #251) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:07 am

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In post 1236, Mr Pink wrote:okay but if the game is fucking stagant for another 24h after i unvote im literally going to roll a d4 and vote whoever it lands on
this game is fucking stagnant because you and ame and consire are (weren't) fucking posting
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #252) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:07 am

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ame's been stalling for days
you literally just prod dodged and were prodded before that
and conspire is doing ??
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #253) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:08 am

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Pink it literally took you 4(!!) days to even awknowledge the existence of that big post i made on you

don't you fucking dare blame this game stalling on anyone else lol
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #254) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:11 am

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Pink, what do you think happened at the RCE lynch? One of the reasons i'm so dead bend on lynching Ame is:
In post 686, Ame wrote:Let's just get the Jake slot out of the way. My only issue is that if scum kills Conspire, I don't think I have much of a chance surviving Day 3.

Day 3: Mr. Pink, Shiki, Isis, Ame, RCE, Ico

Mr. Pink, Shiki, RCE, and Ico will likely vote for me. Ico currently town reads me, but when the opportunity presents itself, I think they will take it.

So that leaves a MyLo with: Mr. Pink, Shiki,
Isis
, RCE, Ico

Isis is the only one I'm confident is town out of the group. Mr. Pink is rubbing me the wrong way recently as they don't seem to be adjusting their view to the cases/evidence presented. And based on their voting behavior this game, if they are in mylo and town®, there's a good chance they vote the only person I think is town in the group.

Hm actually nevermind, lynching jake is almost a guaranteed loss.

UNVOTE: Jake
VOTE: RCE

Day 3: Mr. Pink, Shiki, Isis, Ame, Jake, Ico

This is better as we'll have both RCE's flip and Conspire's. Isis' conspire paranoia is out of the way. If RCE flips red, I am spewed. And we have two chances for hitting the last scum. If RCE flips town, I still look bad, but it would help adjust my reads and I think I have a better chance of convincing a Jake + Isis group.
literally lining up lynches on RCE + Jake
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #255) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:11 am

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In post 1241, Isis wrote:I was thinking bug's prod might be AI
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #256) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:18 am

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Post Post #1669 (isolation #257) » Sun May 24, 2020 6:44 pm

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wtf happened here
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #258) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:39 pm

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In post 1406, Mr Pink wrote:Okay so part of my votings was to see if scum would try to signal for a wuickhammer because of no daytalk because I read about that in the wikie but the thing is daytalk is so common its easy for scum to slip up. I saw isis posting a LOT and I think this was to indicate the readiness to wuickhammer with her partner.
are you actually trying to shade isis here for
posting a lot?
What's different about Isis posting a lot now versus Isis posting a lot
during the entire game
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Post Post #1673 (isolation #259) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:40 pm

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In post 1411, Mr Pink wrote:Both ame and isis showed up after my votes to make a small post and i think that could be a signal to the partner "hey I'm watching the thread ready to wuickhammer" which they may have had the forethought to think of earlier on
are you joking or is this a serious accusation
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #260) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:41 pm

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In post 1412, Mr Pink wrote:All of my town games where I was in lylo I pulled a reverse datisi by lunching town
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Post Post #1675 (isolation #261) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:41 pm

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that's a worthy pagetop imo
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Post Post #1676 (isolation #262) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:46 pm

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In post 1418, Ame wrote:
Do I still scum read (reed) Iconeum?


Revisitng my in light of the meta Conspire provided, I think the following points are still valid.
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1
In post 243, Iconeum wrote:
In post 221, Isis wrote:I haven't had enough coffee for this
i actually townread this post

like seriously
In post 245, Iconeum wrote:I've got a hard time sorting Isis here
He just said he town read her.

2
In post 246, Iconeum wrote:but like, i don't feel that scum!Isis would just blatantly state that he hasn't voted for Hectic before as town, only as scum?
This is not town read worthy.

3
In post 257, Iconeum wrote:yeah that gif pretty much sums up my thoughts wrt that

i have no clue what to make of it

it's almost like i have a hard time reading isis
Really? Really??? I don't believe that he legitimately thought this was even remotely a scum tell.


Overall Ico is town reading for reasons that are unwarranted, and interpreting things on a surface level. I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he
wasn't
actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.
The others I believe to be NAI as town!Ico.does.that.

Point 1 alludes to pseudosolving, considering that his statements were a couple of posts apart.
Point 2 this also alludes to pseudosolving, and also tmi because the read isn't warranted. Is it really believable that scum!Isis wouldn't say this?
Point 3 appears theatrical. It would be difficult to believe that he sincerely thought that Isis' discrepancy there was telling. Something like "I don't really think anything of it?" is what I believe a town response would have been.

As I mentioned the other day, however, I think the most telling point about Ico's alignment is his play in today in lylo. Ok actually, I just read through Ico's play today and a lot of it comes off as kind of townie... I had been skimming it up until now. These are the posts that hardened my read before:

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In post 1137, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1134, Ame wrote:Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerning

Prediction: Ico calls out my post as being hypocritical
OMG THAT'S SO HYPOC-

wait
In post 1139, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: ame

you are literally aware of the fact you are calling me scum and are unable to 'substantiate' it yourself
but when someone else does that it's concerning?

town!ame wouldn't be shading her townread for doing what she is doing herself
In post 1147, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1142, Ame wrote:Let us talk it through to see if we can come to an understanding between each other first.
you already made it clear you don't wanna engage with me

hypocrisie isn't a scumtell sure

but you are 'concerned' about your townread when she's doing the exact same thing you are doing and if ur town that's just not genuine
In post 1148, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1144, Isis wrote:Ico pls to unvote
i'm not lynching outside of (ame/ame/ame/ame/ame) so i don't really see why i should unvote

she didn't get lynched overnight so i'm also curious to see what you think of that
In post 1153, Iconeum wrote:I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ANYONE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT READS FOR LITERALLY DAYS

ISIS IS PROBS TOWN BUT SHE ONLY TALKS CATTISH AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT TOO BUT I DON'T THINK THE MESSAGE IS COMING ACROSS

CONSPIRE IS LURKING
YOU ARE LURKING AS SEEN HOW YOU ONLY STARTED TO POST WHEN I VOTED YOU
MR PINK ISNT LURKING HE'S JUST GONE

forgive me when I don't have the patience when I feel scum is trying to drag this along probably hoping for a miracle


I had made it very clear to Ico that I just needed rest and would come back and play the game, but he deliberately ignored that and claimed otherwise while pushing me in lylo. It came off to me as if he was trying to make the final play there. Additionally, his reaction is identical to the post I quoted from HBE: . In that game, I made a statement about how this is what I would be doing as scum, and Ico jumped on it and claimed that is what I was doing and continued to push that line of thought. It may honestly just be that Ico finds people being aware of their process as genuinely something that he should find scummy (ex: Isis wanting to round out her reads). It's hard to say given the meta he and Conspire provided; however, I do think there may be one way to distinguish between town!Ico poking and scum!Ico agenda-pushing: when he makes the push and its duration. In HBE, I initially took his push on me as him trying to figure me out. It wasn't until later in the day when he had continued to use it as his reason for voting me that I realized he was legitimately pushing me. Additionally, this was later on in the day after we had a lot of content to go off of. The meta Conspire provided was early game Ico and so is a valid counter to Ico's early game surface pushing (as was the meta Ico provided before). But it's when Ico genuinely makes a push on such things in critical moments that I think it becomes scum indicative. So overall, I think Ico's push there is scum indicative, considering the circumstances (lylo, me promising content in the future and he ignoring it, and indication from Isis that she was likely to vote me).

That being said, I am not entirely sold on Ico being scum just yet. I would like to review the others before forming a conclusion and I need to look again at his play today in context (rather than ISO).
it's difficult for me to answer such large posts so i'll just take a stab at it and just point me to stuff i missed and you would like replied to.

I don't think i was inconsistent like you make it out to be wrt to being unsure about Isis early game. I quoted 1 post that i townread, but you are making it out like i hard townread isis based off of that post. I said I townread the post, not the slot. There is a difference, and yes that's entirely possible :lol:

I literally do not read any other single point that puts you towards scum!ico (and hasn't been disproven already). You say your scumread is mostly based off of my lylo play? That you actually townread?

So your scumread that's been building up since D1 is based on my push against you on this day? That's how I read it.
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #263) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:05 pm

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In post 1458, Conspire wrote:There's a reason self-preservation is a scumtell though. Scum care more badly about being lynched than town. So yes, looking at the level of it is relevant.

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okay but are scum gonna make it *that* obvious? scum!pink didn't *need* those 3 votes for self preservation IIRC

his sudden townread of Isis and how he hid behind her jake push is what makes me scumread Pink, not those 3 votes
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #264) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:15 pm

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In post 1578, Ame wrote:Isis, Mr. Pink, Ico I am going to vote Conspire. Is there anything more that I could provide the town among you to join me?
i'm not voting conspire today

it's you or mr pink
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #265) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:17 pm

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In post 1603, Ame wrote:Unfortunately, mechanically, I have to default to voting for you as well.
why
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #266) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:21 pm

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In post 1671, Ame wrote:
In post 1670, Iconeum wrote:wtf happened here
Okay, let's go through what happened. We're in the place, everything's going fine. Then the alarm gets tripped. I turn around and all these cops are outside. You're right, it was like, bam! I blink my eyes and they're there. Everybody starts going apeshit.
when you say 'we', do you mean you and I?
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #267) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:24 pm

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In post 1678, Ame wrote:No my scum read was based on the other stuff. It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?

That's a fair point regarding your Isis read.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #268) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:25 pm

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In post 1683, Isis wrote:I kind of have to kill the pink ame masonry over the iconspire masonry just because pink not reading the game or engaging means the town!pink universes get town voting town.
VOTE: Steve buscemi
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #269) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:27 pm

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In post 1688, Ame wrote:
In post 1686, Iconeum wrote:when you say 'we', do you mean you and I?
It depends, who is your character again?
Mr Braawwwwnnnn.
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Post Post #1698 (isolation #270) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:27 pm

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In post 1694, Ame wrote:
In post 1691, Ame wrote:Yes, it makes sense.
However, it would be quite dumb for mafia to state their plan in thread. So in another sense, it is kind of silly to think that's what I did, I think.
even with lack of daychat? :)
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #271) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:28 pm

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In post 1695, Isis wrote:
In post 1692, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1683, Isis wrote:I kind of have to kill the pink ame masonry over the iconspire masonry just because pink not reading the game or engaging means the town!pink universes get town voting town.
VOTE: Steve buscemi
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Please vote Steve buscemi, I'm still your top townread right?
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #272) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:29 pm

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In post 1695, Isis wrote:
In post 1692, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1683, Isis wrote:I kind of have to kill the pink ame masonry over the iconspire masonry just because pink not reading the game or engaging means the town!pink universes get town voting town.
VOTE: Steve buscemi
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Please vote Steve buscemi, I'm still your top townread right?
i see

who's steve?
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #273) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:29 pm

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In post 1702, Ame wrote:Correct. Could you walk me through what stating my scum master plan in thread would accomplish?
absolutely nothing
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #274) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:31 pm

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In post 1696, Ame wrote:
In post 1678, Ame wrote:It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?
Could you answer this, Ico?
In short, you really started pinging me when you said that I was gonna vote you *anyway* on the next day, despite me townreading you at that time. It felt so insincere and there was more to it I can case it tho

and when you kept on pushing scum!ico without a *single* post indicating why I felt like you didn't have a foot to stand on after we already established your meta arguments weren't holding up
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #275) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:32 pm

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In post 1706, Isis wrote:Vote with me anyway to prove your trust ico
i don't blindly trust you :evil:
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #276) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:32 pm

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who is steve and what did he do to deserve my vote
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #277) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:38 pm

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In post 1710, Ame wrote:That's now what I am asking though. Do you think it makes sense for town!Ame to scumread you for voting her in lylo and justifying your vote on the basis that she isn't going to contribute despite she had just mentioned she would contribute?
I'm taking a different approach to the matter. I think it doesn't make sense for town!Ame to scumread Ico based on Ico voting Ame for reasons stated by Ico.

I'll try to explain:

You kept shading me for being scum without providing a single reason. I already said (or thought?) you were setting me up a long long while earlier. And after I already made my case on what I think about Ame/Jake, you think my vote on you is coming from scum?

That doesn't make sense. IF i'm taking the wrong approach on your slot and you are town, then you are guilty of the exact same thing.
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #278) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:40 pm

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In post 1715, Isis wrote:Ico I really don't like the way you are acting
I fear 1 lylo

Like, exactly 1

do you know which one that is?
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #279) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:41 pm

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In post 1710, Ame wrote:Do you think it makes sense for town!Ame to scumread you for voting her in lylo and justifying your vote on the basis that she isn't going to contribute despite she had just mentioned she would contribute?
the answer to this is no, i don't think it makes sense for town!ame to scumread Ico for voting her in lylo.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #280) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:42 pm

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In post 1719, Isis wrote:I'm assuming you mean 1 3p LyLo and no I dont
3p yes
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #281) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:46 pm

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i don't think i'm moving away from ame + mr pink
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #282) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:46 pm

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In post 1723, Isis wrote:Which 3p LyLo are you afraid of?
me + you and ames
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #283) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:47 pm

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In post 1723, Isis wrote:Which 3p LyLo are you afraid of?

Also why are you preferring to not know what type of LyLo vote has been cast when you could look it up in two seconds? It seems like a preferred ignorance with strategic benefit
i don't know what this means
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #284) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:49 pm

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In post 1725, Ame wrote:Thank you.

I stated why I didn't bring up a point against you -- I was tired. I promised I would do so when I was not tired, which I have. I never intended to vote you without actually bringing up the points, and I didn't. Do you think this explanation is enough to nullify the point about not bringing up points against you? And if not, do you think I was unable to bring up points against you? And if not, why do you think scum!me did not do so before?

I was not setting you up. I wanted you to kill me if I was wrong on RCE and Shiki. Hence the "if shiki and RCE aren't scum I'm going to tunnel you." If I was wrong on RCE and Shiki, then me being killed my scum would have been the best outcome for town.
I'm not holding the timing of your case on me against you. We've all had a drain of mafia energy. I feel like most of what you brought up against me is derived from play that happened after you originally scumread/pushed me.
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #285) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:50 pm

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In post 1728, Isis wrote:
In post 1724, Iconeum wrote:i don't think i'm moving away from ame + mr pink
That's why not sheeping a vote that can't be for iconeum or conspire bothers me draconic
i'm sorry i'm having a really hard time understanding you...
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #286) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:51 pm

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wtf is happening
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #287) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:51 pm

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LOL
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #288) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 pm

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oh god
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #289) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 pm

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how tf is steve buscemi mr pink
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #290) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:53 pm

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this better not go to my feared lylo
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #291) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:54 pm

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Image
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #292) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:55 pm

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In post 1748, Ame wrote:Oh the actor that plays Mr Pink? Lol.
i feel like i almost gamethrew here
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #293) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:56 pm

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In post 1750, Conspire wrote:@_@ Ico....

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I didn't realize there was 2 votes on him…
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #294) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:58 pm

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THANK YOU CONSPIRE I LOVE YOU GUYS
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #295) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:59 pm

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In post 1759, Enter wrote:I was mashing F5 because I thought Iconeum would google it, but it was Conspire who pulled it off in the end.
i googled it instantly but missed that he was on L-1 :( lol
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #296) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:00 pm

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Ame despite everything I reallly wanna roll town with you at some point :D

going up against you as scum is something I really dislike
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #297) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:01 pm

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In post 1766, Conspire wrote:
In post 1760, Iconeum wrote:THANK YOU CONSPIRE I LOVE YOU GUYS
ICO we are best team! <3

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Post Post #1770 (isolation #298) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:01 pm

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ya'll are gonna be amazed at how well we set up our play and endgame in scum PT
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #299) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:01 pm

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Post Post #1774 (isolation #300) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:02 pm

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This was an amazingly fun game with a lot of my favorite players on site and a great mod to add

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Post Post #1782 (isolation #301) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:06 pm

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In post 1782, Isis wrote:I did not enjoy LyLo and feel sads
at least you were all warm and cozy
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Post Post #1785 (isolation #302) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:07 pm

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to be fair i was starting to worry a little with Isis beginning to reconsider me... and i was trying to switch votes to mr pink who i feel didn't really have a great lylo performance but was actually scary right with his reads
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #303) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:08 pm

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In post 1785, Isis wrote:Mafia is so hard
why didn't you just vote ame with me at the lylo start

it would have been a lot easier for everyone :mrgreen:
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #304) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm

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In post 15, Iconeum wrote:jezus, imagine rolling scum with Kanna again

i'm already sitting back knowing i'll be carried to victory
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #305) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm

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i'm not sure how this game is gonna influence ame's meta read on me -_-
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Post Post #1796 (isolation #306) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 pm

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In post 1796, Isis wrote:I probably played 9th best amongst the players in the game
u were very scary at the end

scary enough to scare a dragon

if conspire didn't hammer, i think this game was developping towards a town win
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Post Post #1800 (isolation #307) » Sun May 24, 2020 9:48 pm

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i said this to enter as well:

i think the game was a lot closer then it appears. if ame and you got together (and it was steadily going that way), i think you would have lynched conspire

that puts me in a rough spot for lylo
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #308) » Sun May 24, 2020 10:06 pm

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In post 1808, Ame wrote:Ico, I can't believe you've been scum in all three games I've played with you! I'm kind of scarred..It's going to take a lot for me to ever trust you x[
and you've caught me dead in the open twice and i don't remember the third game :p
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #309) » Mon May 25, 2020 8:36 pm

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Bugs thank you so much for your roleplaying. It was absolutely great :D
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#stopmodabuse
#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
"paying to play mafia is like paying someone to punch you in the face" ~ Datisi

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