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Post #420 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:49 pm
Postby Ame »
Gobbles should keep his target hidden since I can track him. So if he dies, I'll know who he targeted. If I die, he'll be around to say who he targeted.
In post 416, Ame wrote:Why did you put me at L-1 Holden?
Gobbles why did you have the intent to hammer me if you were waiting on my catchup before judgement?
I wanted your claim and I love hammering people. It really took everything in me not to hammer you while you said you were gonna catchup.
I've given you a second leash on life, don't disappoint. <3
I would prefer to see the replacement though regardless.
And where here was the replacement supposed to pick up that this was a "pressure" unvote? You really think someone reading this would perceive it as you preparing to vote them? I initially took it as the opposite because of the statement.
"Give me all your money or I'm going to punch you in the face"
"Ok here, but why"
"I really want your money and to punch you in the face. Be glad I'm giving you a second leash on your pretty face"
"That's shitty"
"Well be glad I didn't punch you!"
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Post #442 (isolation #15) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:21 pm
Postby Ame »
Town
Shiki
Farsi
Bugs: meta
Gobbles: claim, play is scummy
Scummy
holden: wanting replacement to catchup then putting them at l-1, posting after shiki indicative of active lurking, doesn't seem to be really trying to figure things out. there was something else but i forgot i need to look back
po: pushing over sorting, fake concern about activity while not trying to push the game forward
Scum
hem: like this is pretty obvious? his prodding on why shiki wasn't voting holden was so fake. wont explain his push on holden. didn't want porkers lynched for some reason. likely scumbuddies with pp based on his interaction, said something like "buddy me" which was completely random and exactly the way scum!Hem interacted with his scum partner shiki in the last game and his scum partner bugs in the game before.
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Post #448 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:27 pm
Postby Ame »
Whether or not Hider can be tracked is something Gobbles will need to ask privately as it varies from setup to setup. The last Hider game I played, they could be.
This is the partner tell that I'm referring to. Basically HEM is overly conscious about the way he interacts with his partner so he tends to overcompensate. For example, in Blitz II he constantly spoke to his partner (shiki) in a similar way. I'll bring up posts to try to make the point clearer.
In post 151, popopopopopopo wrote:trust me, im good at catching scum early. its my best quality as a mafia player
proveeeet
It's hard to put into words other than he's awkward with his partners and overcompensates from his knowledge of who they are by interacting with them emphatically. I tried to explain this in Blitz II also:
In post 667, Madoka wrote:Additionally, both the way you've called out shiki's name here and the way you spoke of bugs felt unnatural to me, as if you were trying to keep them in a good light.
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Post #474 (isolation #28) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:43 pm
Postby Ame »
I'd put porkers on the town side. Though I disagree with some of your points, I like your mindset and paranoia. Your read list is also very pretty.
HEM isn't a traitor. He and Holden simply have a history. HEM rolled scum the last two blitz games and won another scum game that Holden was in also. I agree with Inutile that there is a good chance their interaction is theatre.
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Post #485 (isolation #32) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:57 pm
Postby Ame »
In post 484, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i literally have no read on Porkens, and Porkens hasn't made himself very readable. that's why a wagon is necessary so spotlights is under him.
Why did you ask for someone to explain why he was scummy? Who all do you believe are scumreading him?
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Post #489 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:01 pm
Postby Ame »
In post 486, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i'm not checking the VC and I'm still under the impression that he was the counterwagon. i just woke up.
What gives you the impression people are voting him because they find him scummy? You just said that he should be wagoned so that the spotlight is on him. If you saw the votes on him then you saw that's what they were trying to do.
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Post #493 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:20 pm
Postby Ame »
If you supported him as a counter wagon you wouldn’t have made the bottom statement in 476. You say one thing but your behavior says another:
(1) “I want to wagon him, but don’t want to lynch him” - half arsed pressure
(2) “Why do people find porkers scummy?” - attempt to derail of wagon
(3) Against Gobbles targeting him (because you want to hit scum, implying you don’t think he’s scum, which is against what you said.
(4) Tried to prematurely end the day on a Holden or Ex lynch, no attempt to wagon or solve the “unreadable” slots.
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Post #499 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:31 pm
Postby Ame »
In post 497, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i'll die if i hit scum. people ought to know. people wont spend brainpower trying to figure me out. and we can see immediately how people react to it instead of an RVS.
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Post #517 (isolation #45) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:42 pm
Postby Ame »
I think it's possible, but not to the degree as you and po. He seems to prefer to keep his partners around and town read them rather than bus. And Holden's side of the interaction looks particularly non-partnery. In particular, 297, 272, 271 (bottom), and 179. With regard to 179, if they were going for theatre strategy, I don't think holden would have town read him there and up to that point.
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Post #530 (isolation #46) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:16 pm
Postby Ame »
Porkens, do you agree with the points I made about Holden? What do you think of the non-associative points I made on HEM? What is your read on me (ignoring Ex)?
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Post #595 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:07 pm
Postby Ame »
Bugs is obvious town. Their scum play is so different from their town play.
Scum Bugs is concerned optics and so makes an effort to appear in thread, and displays a sense of self-consciousness over their reads. This leads to excessive use of phrases such as "my dumb tinfoil brain," "brain worm," and the like. They use these phrases as both alignments, but as scum it's excessive and used to deny accountability for their mispushes. Another thing is that they have a high fluff-to-content ratio as scum. As town, their posts are more succinct and serious and they don't care about their reads making them look bad.
Town ISOs: Totally Real Food Reservoir Dogs (As Mr Pink) - Yes they were notably more active in this game but that's because they were having fun RPing. Use TRF for a better activity comparison.
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Post #596 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:15 pm
Postby Ame »
After thinking it over, I actually doubt Gobbles is town here. His play is too scummy. Gobbles, you should 100% target Pork tonight. I'll track elsewhere.
there was all of this talk of does/doesn't it work which eventually resulted in gobbledygook saying to target him. now it feels like you're backing out because you're worried something could go wrong. like there's possibly a way in which it could disprove your claim.
I don't understand. What scenario would it disprove my claim?
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Post #608 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:33 pm
Postby Ame »
In post 605, HoldenGolden wrote:I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?
I'm lying about one of those
it can't be the last one it's impossible, and you're a coffee drinker so the tea is a lie
In post 596, Ame wrote:After thinking it over, I actually doubt Gobbles is town here. His play is too scummy. Gobbles, you should 100% target Pork tonight. I'll track elsewhere.
Hmm. Wheels are turning.
(Also I'll read those bugs games tomorrow)
Pedit: I see it as your tracking check vaildies that Gobber is actually a hider and didnt fake claim as scum. So if you think he is scum, do you also think he is legit 1 shot weak hider?
I think him not deviating from targeting Pork will confirm it one way or the other. If he targets Pork and they both live, he is probably scum. The scenario that Pork and Gobbles are the scum team doesn't exist. So the only other scenario where we get the wrong idea is if they are both town and scum decided not to kill Pork, in which case it doesn't matter because they trade an extra mislynch.
In post 605, HoldenGolden wrote:I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?
I'm lying about one of those
it can't be the last one it's impossible, and
you're a coffee drinker
so the tea is a lie
I vomited a bit
HoldenGolden wrote: I praise thy to remember the holy testament of at least its not insta-made microwave coffee *shudders from childhood trauma*
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Post #641 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:53 pm
Postby Ame »
In post 472, Porkens wrote:WOW I was not expecting this turn in the game. Interesting and puzzling. I don’t understand how hider works exactly but I assume others in the thread do and will jump on any inaccuracies. So what gobbled is saying here is that he’s going to hide behind me and nothing can stop that. If he dies, that means he targeted scum. Right?
AND if he doesn’t die, that means I’m confirmed town BUT if I get nightkilled then we both die?
AND I assume that means he cant be nightkilled while hiding.
SO if all the above is right; we will both die tonight because otherwise im clear tomorrow.
I have further thoughts about this…but I haven’t checked the thread since I started this so I’ll treat it as a separate matter.
Looking at this again, I agree with bugs that this