Micro 943: Treestump Express [Game over!]

[Morning Tweet]

hello again cj and chem, hi everyone!!

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: ceejay

choochooo

[Morning Tweet]

I think Chem is more town than scum for that play, considering scum loses if one of their own died. Slightly inclined to believe towny from their reaction to all the votes, claiming it was a joke and getting scared and backing off like really quickly. Seems easy to attack (like Pork does in 58).

Think Conspire is lean town for letting off Chem and voting someone who voted Chem. I like 74 by conspire too

Tuxedo lean towny for 67/73 even if the method was flawed lol. Ooh also I see 76 where he takes a pretty hard stance on Chem scum. interesting

Think there mayyyyyy be a scum that voted for chem inside of {Pork, votato}.

Think if I'm reading Chem wrong this is gonna be massively off. Still, its how im feeling atm

VOTE: Pork

[Morning Tweet]

What do you think of Pork, Conspire?

[Morning Tweet]

Gut dictates scum would probably stick to the bit longer and not start freaking out as much. seems a little counter-intuitive but I think scum would realize reacting like you're very scared is not a good idea -- and they'd probably try and hide that

chem more or less just reacts with "Relax, relax its a joke! It's a joke!!" seems a bit too obvious for scum imo

[Morning Tweet]

Hawk ruining the fun though. Each person to not hammer was narrowing the PoE bit by bit. Until we confirmed scum Chemist. Now we got actually scum hunt.

Not a fan of quick hammers.

I unvoted because I hadn't had time to digest what was happening. I'm getting the feeling that Chemist is town, and yes I am a bit suspect of people on the Chemist wagon, yourself in particular actually

Feeling town from Conspire and Chemist

Not feeling great about votato and Tuxedo

Want to see more from ceejay

I like your thoughts!

i thought Tuxedo was a bit towny though. Could you elaborate a little on the "slip" you think he mightve done that makes you suspect him?

[Morning Tweet]

If by some miracle i haven't messed up a townread yet, scum is in {Pork, ceejay, Quick, votato}

Pork/votato hopped on Chem. Votato i think had a better reaction afterwards than Pork. Ceejay agrees with me that Chem seems town, but hasn't commented on whether the people jumping on Chem might have extra scum potential (?!). I don't think Quick has yet to realize he's in this game

Think I suspect Pork/ceejay the most, subject to change

Pedit: It's hard to pressure someone who hasn't done anything yet! PoE I suppose is true though

[Morning Tweet]

@Morning; wasn’t #111 an explanation for the slip?

~Esper

Yeah but im having trouble following it a bit

Tuxedo says that Conspire not hammering Chem is town, and each additional person to not hammer confirms more and more town until it confirms Chem scum

Then he says he's pretty confident Chem is scum

And then finally he says "Well technically Conspire could be scum with Chemist. But if Chemist were to not be scum, then scum would just come in and hammer"

So from that reasoning he arrives at either Conspire is town, or Conspire is scum with Chem. I feel like I'm missing what the slip is. Don't get me wrong though it's not a solid plan and I don't even think Chem is scum, but it did feel like an idea town!Tuxedo could reasonably have

[Morning Tweet]

Also minor thing, eople can just call me Tux. I think some people have called me TM and if others will call Morning Tweet MT that's going to get confusing fast. At least to me.

i second this sentiment, also i prefer being called Morning the most !! if thats ok

hmm i forgot that quick is in this game. he generally spams threads to death... thats interesting, but i think his inactivity is sitewide. that said, id prefer not to be in a lylo with him, so a PL would be ok. but since everyone just gets treestumped i guess thats not really helpful cuz he can still spam the thread.

i mean, a PL just because he posts a lot? Seems a bit harsh and a weak reason for taking him out today. And yeah the second point is true

Also I think I buy him just forgetting this game existed. Slightly town indictative right off the bat for me

[Morning Tweet]

get your act together, mate !!

[Morning Tweet]

Basically what Tux is saying is if we put a townie at L-1, then a scum not voting them can quickhammer.

Then, the scum will stump that member of the scumteam, leaving the other scum in the 3p lylo. Easy way to end D1 quickly and deny info without losing anything

[Morning Tweet]

Moreso than 169, Morning, would you say you didn’t understand what ProHawk meant or you didn’t think what he said wasn’t a slip? I actually thought something similar to ProHawk at first

~Esper

I outlined what I thought ProHawk was saying in my last response -- I think his main point was "Oh Chem is scum and every person to post is confirmed town". Which I disagree with, I think it's more likely Chem is town and the ppl posting after are either town or scum that didnt notice L-1 / thought it wasnt L-1 / didnt think of the lolhammer.

i myself wasnt sure then and I actually still havent gone back to check if Chem was at true L-1 or not. So from that I think it is unlikely his theory holds a lot of weight, if I were scum I dont think I would have thought to lol hammer there

[Morning Tweet]

I think that this Quick stuff is more or less a distraction. I know Cosmic likes pressing on potential dumbtells but I dont think a scum alignment stands a lot to gain from totally misunderstanding how the setup works and drawing in all this attention. I suppose he might've thought he could draw townreads from it but im not seeing it

I still think I lightly townlean quick overall

[Morning Tweet]

hmhmhm i will reread the tux thing more closely. I was under the impression the scumread came as a result of Chem not being hammered. If Chem were to start as null, then youd assume ppl not hammering is town, until everyone not hammers and it confirms Chem as scum

thats what I figured he was gettin at

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: pork posts

Ugh this game is impenetrable to me this morning.

I am back up tracker...

is this a legit claim?

Is this a legit question?

Is that a serious inquiry?

yes it is.

There are no PRs in this game. That is what drew me to it. Seems everything else I knew about the setup was wrong, but I did know there were no PRs.

ok, so you know there are no PRs, yet you claimed PR. what?

this is a scummy post
you are trying to throw shade
with a transparent umbrella

Hmmm who’s just ice skating here...

VOTE: ceejay[/v]

i like pork a bit more from these posts. Leaning on 106 being genuine. i like the way he confidently calls a post by votato scummy. Vote on ceejay i simultaneously sort of like cause he's in my PoE but also could just be fake scumhunting

Spoiler: other pork posts

I'm not scum always

dumbell, Porkens; I'm saying the motive to dumbtell exists for scum.

~Cosmic

SLIP?!

nope, seems you are pretty in tune with the scum mindset.

Okay these seem sort of awkward. im keepin my eye on pork for now

[Morning Tweet]

Some1 tell me the odds of both Scum being on Town right now.

The odds are 0 that both scum are on the same town. Pretty high that they are on town or not voting ?

lol what were you trying to learn from this question

I think Quick overall actually seems decently town though -- what do you guys think?

[Morning Tweet]

btw i think prohawk can be town.

Think I agree

Spoiler: towniest pings to least towniest

Chem
ProHawk
Quick
-
Tux
Conspire
-
ceejay
-
votato
Porken

I read through a couple pork games (viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79600 [town] and viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77441 [scum]). Seems like he always gives short, concise posts. Addtionally, he calls people scum confidently, a lot. It's possible that his posts this game that read off to me (like the "Scumslip?" and "You're in tune with scum mindset") are NAI for him.

I don't know if i'd vote votato/ceejay instead yet though Ill get back to u on that

[Morning Tweet]

Hey, Morning, I'm a bit confused by your read list. If you think Porken is playing how he normally does, why is he scummier on your read list than Cj? Especially since you're considering the vote between Votato and CJ, but have Porken at the bottom.

Also does no one agree with me that can Conspire can't be scum without Chem being scum?

made the readlist then checked pork afterwards. I'm not good with scumreads, i like finding town better

I finally rechecked the votes on Chem. Conspire put Chem at L-1 and pretended it was the hammer. They then unvoted putting it to L-2. Then Pork voted Chem back to L-1. Conspire didn't hammer. Chem didn't self hammer. ProHawk got nervous and unvoted to L-2.

I think overall it makes Conspire look really good, actually more good than I thought before cause I didnt actually count the votes. Scum!Conspire wouldve just hammered town!Chem yeah cause they knew it was true L-1 when they pretended to hammer. Chem was at L-1 for a little under 3 hours. I feel like this means there's a great chance that either A.) Chem is scum or B.) 1-2 scum were on Chem already. Prolly 1. I understand why you think Chem is scum, but presently I think the latter option is more likely since i feel like chem is town

[Morning Tweet]

what can i do to earn your vote? Or at least your top scum read

Hm well.. you could try saying you don't find bats cute

it'd hurt me emotionally at least, not sure if it'd constitute a vote though

[Morning Tweet]

I'm glad Conspire thinks Tux look better now. I still feel ProHawk town though I think as well

Not sure what votato did to deserve a top 4 town spot from Chem

{Conspire, Tux, ProHawk}
{Chem, Quick}
{ceejay, Pork, votato}

okay, this is better I think. There are a couple things I'm interested in rereading when I have the time later

@Pork, ceejay

got any reads yet on any players?

[Morning Tweet]

Well that particular bat is cute

Ack! bat compliments!!! my weakness!!!!! (/ω＼)

[Morning Tweet]

I think that it's very likely 1-2 scum voted for Chem (or Chem is scum), since Chem got left at L-1 for around 3 hours.

Chemist <<

ProHawk

,

TuxedoMask

, Votato, Porkens [L-1]

Spoiler: wagon reactions

Conspire did not hammer.
Chem did not self-hammer.
ProHawk unvoted nervously.
(Pork, votato, Tuxedo were on wagon)
(Morning, Ceejay, Quick, did not post)

I read the thread but didn't check to see if Chem was actually at L-1 or not. Ceejay probably didn't open the thread during that timeframe. And Quick has admitted to not realizing this game existed at the time.

I like Conspire, ProHawk, and TuxedoMask for town. If these are correct, scum is left in: {Chem, Quick, ceejay, Pork, votato}

The wagoned herself, two people who likely didn't have the chance to respond to the wagon, and two people who joined the wagon.

If Chem is town, the likeliest teams are probably a voter {Pork/Votato} + a inactive {Quick/Ceejay}. Possibly Quick + Ceejay as well
If Chem is scum, the likeliest teams are probably Chem + {Votato/Quick/Ceejay}.

I wonder if scum would be as so bold to try and distance/bus early. I'm not counting votato's vote on Chem as a bus since he voted her early on the wagon and now they both townread each other i think

Let's assume Conspire/ProHawk/Tux are town and scum doesn't bus/distance early (with the exception of votato/Chem). What teams would there be?

Spoiler: vote history

Chem -> Chem, Tuxedo, Quick
Quick -> .... Ceejay (with Pork)
Ceejay -> Conspire .... (kinda thinks a votato post is weird)
Pork -> Chem, Ceejay
Votato -> Chem, Pork

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Spoiler: current actions

Chem voted Quick for pressure, has a townread on votato
Quick is helping Pork vote ceejay. Quick seems to like Pork more than votato
Ceejay has mentioned a votato post being weird, not a lot else
Pork is voting ceejay for pressure
Votato turned around and thinks Chem is town. He doesn't like ceejay, nor does he like Pork. he also questioned Quick a bunch

-====================-

Spoiler: team speculation

Pork

+

Quick

+

Pork

+

Ceejay

-

Votato

+

Quick

--

Votato

+

Ceejay

--

Chem

+

Votato

++

Chem

+

Quick

-

Chem

+

Ceejay

Quick

+

Ceejay

-

-====================-

Spoiler: leftover teams (if scum doesn't want to pressure each other)

Pork

+

Quick

Chem

+

Votato

Chem

+

Ceejay

So this would suggest Chem is teamed with votato or ceejay, otherwise the team is Pork/Quick

I don't really trust this because of all the assumptions it makes, but it was still interesting to do

I think if i rated my PoE on their individual chances of being scum, id go something like Pork>Ceejay>Quick>Votato>Chem. If I think Chem/votato are town, then Pork suddenly has a high chance of being scum as well

VOTE: Pork

[Morning Tweet]

i am alone in voting pork

[Morning Tweet]

i am alone in voting pork

uh, hi, there was a vote count literally three posts above this, which said there were two votes on pork. pork is now at L-2 with my unvote.

That got added later. I remembered ur vote while i was making 251 but when Tux asked me i forgot it somehow

i also dont see how any of this says tuxedo is town. and i get that its from your pov, but to the rest of us you are still possible scum. you were widely townread prior to that post, but i dont really super like that post. i really super dont like your error on the VC.

why're you making it about Tuxedo? It doesn't have anything to do with him no.

Do you think it's scum indicative I forgot your vote? why?

Not seeing why Tuxedo is Town here...

Where did this Tuxedo stuff come from??

[Morning Tweet]

@North can you explain that the vote count came AFTER Morning Tweet said how many people voted Porkins?

That is really angleshooty and that usually comes from Scum, just saying.

What do you mean by this? The VC got edited in after we made those posts. It was a "-" before. Angleshooty?

[Morning Tweet]

@North can you explain that the vote count came AFTER Morning Tweet said how many people voted Porkins?

but it came before your vote. and in your vote post, which is timed AFTER the vote count, you acknowledge that the edit makes you look bad, yet you vote anyway. and there were already two votes, then MT voted, then you voted. thats 4 votes, or L-1. i put us back down to L-2.

No, he put Pork to L-2 and said "No one vote this".

the sequence of events was:
1) votecount placeholder earlier in the day
2) MT posts saying porkens is likely scum and votes there
3) tuxedo asks how many people are voting porkens
4) MT says just her
5) VC is added to placeholder post
6) tuxedo acknowledges seeing the VC and votes anyway.

i guess MT's vote was a re-vote on the same slot though, so it was only L-2.

ok it isnt as bad as i initially thought, since MT double-voted the same slot. still though, that was.... strange?

Ok i see you realized. I like the reaction actually, it makes sense you would attack Tux for putting someone at L-1 when he was the one preaching to not do that.

I knew I was voting pork, the second vote was for emphasis. no i did not mean to forget your vote though

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

and then porkens comes and restores my faith in my previous vote. I'll leave it on tuxedo for now until other people come and tell me either that im crazy or that my vote is in a healthy place.

What? Why does Pork voting Tux make you feel better about it?

yeah i dont like the

(Pork)

ISO. theres no content, but a lot of votes.

What happened to this?

[Morning Tweet]

@North can you explain that the vote count came AFTER Morning Tweet said how many people voted Porkins?

That is really angleshooty and that usually comes from Scum, just saying.

What do you mean by this? The VC got edited in after we made those posts. It was a "-" before. Angleshooty?

Is this a chainsaw? Honest answers only (otherwise I am aiming at Paragon at this point).

I'm just asking u what you mean. Cause I have no idea. I don't know where you get the idea of chainsawing from

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

It's not between you and Tux, at least not in my mind. What is your reasoning for voting Tux?

In post 272, votato wrote:
In post 270, Porkens wrote:
VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

and then porkens comes and restores my faith in my previous vote. I'll leave it on tuxedo for now until other people come and tell me either that im crazy or that my vote is in a healthy place.

What? Why does Pork voting Tux make you feel better about it?

I think Votato is saying Porkens is acting scummy here. The faith in his previous being restored is his one on Porkens.

Oh,

PREVIOUS

vote. disregard 284 i just still havent learned to read things through properly

[Morning Tweet]

I think votato's quick unvote and revote on Tux makes sense given votato interpreted Tux's vote at L-1 (plus the thing where i accidentally miscounted Pork's votes...) I like it a lot actually

about the rest of Tuxes' wagon.....

Spoiler: oh my

Not seeing why Tuxedo is Town here...

@North can you explain that the vote count came AFTER Morning Tweet said how many people voted Porkins?

That is really angleshooty and that usually comes from Scum, just saying.

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

You going to adress the actual votes against you or are you afraid to actually quote that part?

I don't think Porkens is Scum here. I think putting pressure on CJ is Town indicative.

Okay, Scum!

Is this a chainsaw? Honest answers only (otherwise I am aiming at Paragon at this point).

Why is Quick so.. "quick" to trust Pork and call Tux scum ??? He is acting like we just proved Tuxedo is scum somehow (but doesn't actually vote Tux himself, leaves it to votato and Pork). Not to mention his reason for liking Pork is just for voting ceejay.

His only saving grace is that he posted about Tuxedo just before votato did (in 257). I still don't get what my post had to do with Tuxedo, but I suppose it's possible Quick just townleans Conspire/ProHawk and wanted to comment on my Tux townlean? And then votato came in with the Tux stuff and he jumped on it

I think overall I might like Pork less now, votato more. I want to hear Pork's reason for voting Tux to L-2

[Morning Tweet]

@Quick

why do you think Pork is town? -- simply because he voted ceejay doesn't do it for me. Unless you can explain how that's town indicative

[Morning Tweet]

MT the reason we are all asking about tux based on your 251 is that you seem to eliminate tux from your PoE out of the blue. he doesnt seem to be logically cleared even if the not hammering=town thing is true. your seemingly random clear on tux combined with your exchange with tux immediately following really really struck me as bad.

Ah i see, that makes sense. Why isn't ProHawk in that same category? I didn't mechanically clear him either, they're just my townreads. I'll try to explain Tux

I like Tuxes' interactions with Chem during the L-1 bit. The conclusion of mechanically confirming Chem as scum n Conspire as town, felt townie to me despite it not being entirely accurate on the Chem part. 73 in specific is one i liked. 76 too, i feel like scum would probably be less confident. Conspire makes a good point in 81

254 felt like really reckless wording. I'm inclined to believe scum words that differently. That's multiple times now Tux posts something (probably w/o rereading) and it comes off as scummy/confusing to people. the first time being that "slip" that prohawk pointed out. I felt like he had a consistent thought process but it wasn't coming off well to some people and he was becoming an easy target

The intent of my wall was to figure out who I should vote with the information i have, it wasn't really a scum case cause it took too many assumptions (including that I'm town) into account

@Tux, what is your progression wrt to chemist? do you think he's not likely scum anymore?
@Morning; can you explain why you're confident enough in Tux/ProHawk to have them as green, but not Chemist/Quick? Weren't you townreading them too?

~Esper

After considering the implications of Chem's wagon more, i ended up dropping her down in my townreads a bit. I still lean on her reaction being town, less strongly though. Quick I lightly townread for forgetting the game existed i think, not much more.

[Morning Tweet]

this is almost so blatantly scummy, i'm not even sure if it is scummy

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

~Esper

although i 100% agree, this post almost feels like scum distancing after scumbuddy did an oopsie.

If scum team is Conspire and me, you'd have to answer why Conspire wouldn't hammer Chem when they had a chance? So I could make Lylo me, you, and Porkins.

so you could run the WIFOM "conspire didnt hammer, ergo town" argument. actually, didnt that logic come from you initially, tux?

That sounds less useful than just having Conspire lolhammer. also i feel like Conspire totally would have lolhammered regardless

[Morning Tweet]

@Tux, what is your progression wrt to chemist? do you think he's not likely scum anymore?
@Morning; can you explain why you're confident enough in Tux/ProHawk to have them as green, but not Chemist/Quick? Weren't you townreading them too?

~Esper

Oh i missed ProHawk -- i like the unvote on Chem, the found "slip" on Tux also felt pretty good. I think his reads make sense and like the comment about ceejay in 242, I agree this is within ceejay's scumrange from what i've read of him (although I'm not sure how to tell the difference betw ceejay!Town and ceejay!scum yet)

[Morning Tweet]

Only the dark one. And I think the pink one has a leash on the dark one.

fair enough! (^▽^)

i maintain that if Conspire is scum and Chem is town, they would have just hammered though. Less info is better for scum, there's no reason to give themselves towncred just to lose it to WIFOM in lylo

[Morning Tweet]

I don't get Quick's insistence on Tux being scum but I can buy it coming from town!Quick

Still think we should get Pork although I guess you could use the "Too scummy to be scum" argument. but if i'm not voting Pork then who would I pick? Ceejay? I don't feel like that vote would accomplish anything

[Morning Tweet]

Only the dark one. And I think the pink one has a leash on the dark one.

fair enough! (^▽^)

i maintain that if Conspire is scum and Chem is town, they would have just hammered though. Less info is better for scum, there's no reason to give themselves towncred just to lose it to WIFOM in lylo

i really tried to read this post, but the bat distracted me. so cute.

sweating

you were supposed to convince me you're scum.... not pocket me........

[Morning Tweet]

I don't get Quick's insistence on Tux being scum but I can buy it coming from town!Quick

That's probably a bad move on your part. Just saying.

buying you being town, or not understanding what you mean with Tux? cause i cant help one of those

@North can you explain that the vote count came AFTER Morning Tweet said how many people voted Porkins?

That is really angleshooty and that usually comes from Scum, just saying.

what does this mean??

[Morning Tweet]

i really tried to read this post, but the bat distracted me. so cute.

sweating

you were supposed to convince me you're scum.... not pocket me........

doesnt the pocket attempt come across as pretty scummy? if not, i guess it worked!

i really wish it did, but it doesn't and now im completely blind to anything scummy you might do in the foreseeable future

[Morning Tweet]

Quick I just want you to explain what Tux did that was scummy, accusing him of angle-shooting then me of chainsawing is not telling me anything. I am not dead set on him being town, I am open to hearing what you have to say

[Morning Tweet]

to clarify, i don't think these are scummy, but they're fairly easy for scum to do = not town indicative. i also disagree Tux is an easy target; he seems like a strong player and his tone to me is pretty townie.

~Esper

I like his tone too, by "easy target" I more mean when he says stuff like

That North side edit seemed perfectly timed to make us both look bad.

But looking back he actually doesn't do this as often as I remembered. in my mind i remembered him saying something that sounded scummy on the surface earlier during the Chem situation and around the 'slip', but i dont see it

[Morning Tweet]

I was curious if Pork doing a "Oh no pls dont kill me im town" thing is AI for him

Spoiler: Pork scumgames

.viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77441 - Survived to end (Basically just calls people scum and votes sometimes)
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242 - Survived to end (Does basically nothing but vote people, tell ppl to not lurk, tell people to vote for X. Check post 2772, his scumbuddy says "Dude you're getting lynched if i ever see u play like this again.)
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77310 - Lynched D1 (Mostly just jokes around, doesn't scumhunt. Selfhammers)

Spoiler: Pork towngames

.viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79600 - Lynched D1 (tunnels one person until 164. pleas for his life in 231, uses the words "I am town". as he dies, he wishes for town to lynch one particular player)
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79728 Killed N1 (interestingly enough he calls people town at the beginning instead of scum He unvotes and switches around a lot. Giving up in 748?)

So regardless of alignment he usually accuses people of being scum pretty confidently. If i had to make a distinction, i'd say he comes across as more confident in the scum games in general. He does more accusations and votes in them, in the town games i want to say he has a bit more uncertainty

In the one town game where he gets lynched d1 that I found, he does pull the "please no im town" card, although he didn't vote someone in that post

pedit: Oh, lovely! Hi pork. good evaluation of tux

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chem L-3

[Morning Tweet]

How's everyone doing? I trust we're all having a pleasant, amiable journey on the Treestump Express today?

I wouldn't happen to hear any talks of barbaric

lynching

, now, would I? We're all civilised people here... right? *nervous laughter*

~Cosmic

someone shot the conductor!! this is far from pleasant!!!

[Morning Tweet]

*bang* *bang*

*bang*

Three shots rang out, loud enough to reverberate from the engine to the caboose.

There was a small break of silence between the first two shots and the third. Strange. My detective's intuition tells me the third bang wasn't a shot at all, but perhaps someone hitting their head on the doorframe on their way out of the cabin. Who here is above average height?

~Cosmic

i am incredibly short, does that clear me? (>∀<)

[Morning Tweet]

I feel like if we don't lynch ceejay and hit a town, scum is going to bring him to LYLO because he's unreadable. so for that reason i want to lynch him..

but on the flip side, i dont want to lynch ceejay because yeah, he is lynchbaity, and if he's town it'll be hard to learn anything for the 3p. how can we fault people for voting him really?

Still, I'm fine with lynching ceejay if we can't find a better target

[Morning Tweet]

Interesting, you are correct; it appears that you are infact not a human, but actually a

bat

. It of course begs the question of how you were able to attain a ticket for this journey in the first place, or even more worryingly so how you posses the ability to speak...

How skilled are you while airborne? You might've hit the top of the doorframe while flying out.

~Cosmic

I.. umm... may have hitched a ride. no comment on the speaking

im a decent flyer!! (i think so at least). would it make a loud bang if i were to slam into a wall, anyway? it'd barely even be audible

[Morning Tweet]

We didn't like this question from Tux. It seems it was more made to make a show of how his attacker's point should be irrelevant, rather than him actually expecting to get an answer from North.

Did you ask this expecting to get an "explanation", Tux?

~Cosmic

if people were starting to suspect you based off a misunderstanding, wouldn't you want it cleared up? He probably didn't realize there were edit timestamps

[Morning Tweet]

but on the flip side, i dont want to lynch ceejay because yeah, he is lynchbaity, and if he's town it'll be hard to learn anything for the 3p. how can we fault people for voting him really?

We still learn loads because of all the treestumps, and learning the identity of one scum (assuming treestumps flip... right?).

~Cosmic

yeah they flip

And I guess so. And there are some interactions from other players to ceejay that we could use

[Morning Tweet]

I suppose that if we were to assume Chem is town, that gives some scum points to the players who were off-wagon but didn't check in during the L-1 timeframe (Ceejay, Quick, me). I feel like if 1 scum was voting Chem during that time, even if they tried to get a reach of ceejay/quick, they wouldn't have been able to get the hammer done

[Morning Tweet]

Morning, do you think you'd still be defending Tux here and answering his questions for him if you were scum together?

~Cosmic

self meta is dangerous cosmic! I think in my scum games in general, I keep my partners in the "might be scum but im mostly ignoring them in favour of X player" area

i'm going back and forth thinking about what id do in this game specifically. It's somewhat of a gamble to hard defend your partner, but town might WIFOM themselves into thinking you were doing it as a trick. Depends on how confident i would be that i could sell it to look like WIFOM instead of a buddy actually defending their partner. assuming im the one treestumped anyway

I think I probably would finally decide on not doing it because i wouldn't want to make us lose the game on a gamble. then again, if my partner were obvtowning enough, i probably would. is this helping you at all

[Morning Tweet]

Aren't you known for being extremely aggressive and hard bussing your buddies? This doesn't match up with my notes at all.

Anyway, that does help somewhat. Thanks.

~Cosmic

you must have me mixed up with some other bat!

[Morning Tweet]

{Conspire, Tux}
{Quick, Pork, ProHawk}
{votato, Chem, ceejay}

I'm at the part of the game where ive townread virtually every player -- usually that means im wrong. :'(

If Chem is town, I can very well see ceejay + a townread i failed, maybe ceejay + votato as well.

i'm feeling like Pork/Quick are town now, which is making me also wonder if Chem has just been scum the whole time as well. I think Ceejay and votato are both viable partners.

Ceejay is really easy to just call scum though -- would like to hear from him sometime soon and make a better decision there

[Morning Tweet]

I think you're both cute in your own ways !

what made you change your tune on porkens, MT?

A little bit of the "too scummy" angle, a little bit of his "pls no im town" being slightly like his town meta, and some posts i get some town vibes from.

with my current reads, ceejay/chem can easily be scum together as well and they're his two votes

Spoiler: string of pork posts

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

The only other game ive found where he does something like this is a town game where he got lynched on D1

VOTE: unvote this was a terrible vote. Tux has given town responses 80-90% on reread.

I still believe chemists opening gambit is more likely scum. I keep coming back to that fundamental thought. I’m pretty sure we could find the partner examining the reactions, but since game ends with one scum why overthink it.

VOTE: chemist

I like his reevaluation on Tux and the vote on Chem is a good bet if pork is town

my play style changed a lot in that era. in the olden days Don’t kill me I’m town would get you summarily lynched, but when I came back in 2015ish the Meta had changed and I had to adjust. I guess in general subtlety is gone? Dunno maybe that’s not a fair judgment but on the surface level it’s true at least (I know that sounds circular)

I like him discrediting my meta read on him, feel like if he were scum he would have let it sit. Yeah yeah I know WIFOM but whatever

Why didn't you do your naked early reads thing this game, Porkens? I happened to see you exercise those in a game long ago, and I was looking forward to seeing it again when I saw you sign up for this game.

~Cosmic

I’m trying to be a bit more deliberate in this game considering there’s an opportunity to win day 1. I’d like to do so for ego.

i just kinda like this

I kinda feel cj is a bit lynchbaity but since I’m the alternative yeah I’m fine with that :p

Lol he is so scummy sounding though. its a bit hard to believe he's scum

[Morning Tweet]

Lol he is so scummy sounding though. its a bit hard to believe he's

scum

Do you mean

town

?

Nice scumslip there, Morning.

~Cosmic

I think they mean I’m too scummy to be scum. A solid argument! Smart!

Yeah that's more what i was going for. I haven't done my signature scumslip yet i dont think

[Morning Tweet]

Why is porkins town?

I talk about Porks mostly in 337 and 384

Could i interest u fine gentlemen and ladies in a chem lynch?

[Morning Tweet]

as town quick is much more vocal and engaged. the thread would be at 40 pages of him saying one thing, posting 5 more times, then saying the opposite, then posting 5 more times, and then saying the initial thing again but for a different reason.

I feel like that's kind of what he did here, just minus the parts where he reevaluates. here he's just tunnelled on Tux and it's a bit frustrating but im not sure if it's explicitly scummy

[Morning Tweet]

UNVOTE:

i will try to find top suspects laterr. Quick has a surprising amount of pressure on him now

[Morning Tweet]

Votato says this is his scum meta. Esper also alluding to it being his scum meta I believe (?). Youre gunning for him. and finally, he replaced out mysteriously

I see that Quick isnt a preferred lynch of votatos, so like, what happened there @votato?

[Morning Tweet]

Votato says this is his scum meta. Esper also alluding to it being his scum meta I believe (?). Youre gunning for him. and finally, he replaced out mysteriously

I see that Quick isnt a preferred lynch of votatos, so like, what happened there @votato?

Okay, yeah that's why I was confused Votato has said some stuff from the side, but Quicj doesn't even crack their top 4. Also Esper said I looked just as bad in the exchange I had with Quick. So I don't really consider that pressure.

Also I don't like speculating on replacements, to many reasons completely unrelated to the game could explain it.

That's a very fair point with regards to the replacement

Reason im prolly going to have to look over Quick again is I kinda wrote him off as town and I need to figure out who im actually voting for and if it's not Chem i dont know who it should be.

How viable is votato/Chem? Votato started off by voting Chem at the beginning but now they mutually townread each other. Chems townread on votato seemed a little weird and so does her push on prohawk (Although maybe that's just me)

I did get some varying town pings from them but not as much as I got from Conspire/ProHawk/Tux, and theyre either tied or worse than Pork/Quick. Feel like one and maybe even two if im lucky could be scum

[Morning Tweet]

guys i didnt realize that quick replaced himself and im feeling very stupid now. not sure how i wasnt immediately tipped off by the name

@Quickety

Why're you voting Chem now? Haven't you been all-in on Tux/Morning? And before that, it was CJ

[Morning Tweet]

How viable is votato/Chem? Votato started off by voting Chem at the beginning but now they mutually townread each other. Chems townread on votato seemed a little weird and so does her push on prohawk (Although maybe that's just me)

So there's this ^

furthermore, I don't get why votato brings up Quick not playing to his town meta in 430 and 434, but then gives 4 suspects in 481 and none of them are quick ? He then adds quick to his lynchpool in 493 so now votato is willing to lynch everyone except for Chem and Conspire. This leads me to wonder if votato is actually trying to find scum in earnest

Chem's 450 comes out of nowhere, voting ProHawk. She says that PH isn't attempting to sort Pork (I assume in 390). In this post ProHawk asks Pork to explain why he voted Tux. Pork replies, and then PH replies back with a new question. So Chem's 450 doesnt really hold true to me, PH seems to be interacting with Pork imo.

I suppose Chem's point could be that PH hasn't reevaluated since talking with Pork and maintains that he is scum. I am not particularly bothered by that myself though

[Morning Tweet]

also

@NSG: even I will flip upon stumping?

What'd you mean by this, votato?

[Morning Tweet]

@Quickety

Why're you voting Chem now? Haven't you been all-in on Tux/Morning? And before that, it was CJ

CJ made an excellent point on Chemist.

I missed that post by ceejay and basically copied his point in 497 -- so needless to say i agree then

Oh the nature of your role? Do tell...

because im scum

(T＿T)

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: votato

[Morning Tweet]

All the markings of early distancing with little to no commitment to the read given there was never a vote on votato there IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No corrections required, im with u

Do you prefer lynching Chem over votato, or are they equal and you just want them to be the two competing wagons?

[Morning Tweet]

You feel pocketed by me?

UNVOTE:

I like Quickety for town so ill trust him on that

[Morning Tweet]

I'm curious what you find votato's town game to be, or what votato was wanting us to observe from the scum game. But like also i have a headache and dont feel like reading into his meta right now

all i noticed is that in the scum game, he claimed scum on post 128 cause he coloured it red and it stood out (^∀^)

[Morning Tweet]

why must you claim scum in response to me investigating u and chem being scummmmm

[Morning Tweet]

It could be Morning. i don't see any obvious connection between votato/chem so her theory feels kind of fabricated. also, i don't think inconsistencies are necessarily scummy like she's painting it out to be.

talking about this post in particular:

Spoiler:

How viable is votato/Chem? Votato started off by voting Chem at the beginning but now they mutually townread each other. Chems townread on votato seemed a little weird and so does her push on prohawk (Although maybe that's just me)

So there's this ^

furthermore, I don't get why votato brings up Quick not playing to his town meta in 430 and 434, but then gives 4 suspects in 481 and none of them are quick ? He then adds quick to his lynchpool in 493 so now votato is willing to lynch everyone except for Chem and Conspire. This leads me to wonder if votato is actually trying to find scum in earnest

Chem's 450 comes out of nowhere, voting ProHawk. She says that PH isn't attempting to sort Pork (I assume in 390). In this post ProHawk asks Pork to explain why he voted Tux. Pork replies, and then PH replies back with a new question. So Chem's 450 doesnt really hold true to me, PH seems to be interacting with Pork imo.

I suppose Chem's point could be that PH hasn't reevaluated since talking with Pork and maintains that he is scum. I am not particularly bothered by that myself though

~Esper

i wouldnt say inconsistencies are necessarily scummy but they don't make me feel better especially when votato and chem are close to the bottom of my reads on their own. The coincidence with their progression on each other looking kinda distancey into townreading each other adds on to it. And then i dont agree on Chem's take on PH. and there was the thing with Chem on L-1 at the beginning

one of these things on their own isn't really much to be concerned about but it starts stacking up and makes me want to lynch inside {Chem, votato}.

[Morning Tweet]

im kinda leaning towards lynching someone who is really hard to sort to make lylo easier. but thats probably not ideal.

this thought has also crossed my mind. we should vote "the person we trust the least" and sometimes, that person can be the one who has most deepwolf potential.

Obviously, i'm thinking of Morning right now, but another thought i had was if she is town, she'd be a solid town voice tomorrow.

~Esper

you give scum me too much credit. You are saying that you'd like to lynch me so there's no chance I'm in the LYLO and people have to worry about "deepwolfing"?

AH you give town me too much credit too. Lynching me to ensure that i am town and can have a town voice in LYLO is not worth it at all. I can see it now: me getting lynched today, trying to solve the game in LYLO and failing, and then we have lost both days partly because of me. scary thought

Not sure I like the bromance here between votato and quick. In fact I think I dont

Bromance is a weird way of describing it

[Morning Tweet]

you give scum me too much credit. You are saying that you'd like to lynch me so there's no chance I'm in the LYLO and people have to worry about "deepwolfing"?

AH you give town me too much credit too. Lynching me to ensure that i am town and can have a town voice in LYLO is not worth it at all. I can see it now: me getting lynched today, trying to solve the game in LYLO and failing, and then we have lost both days partly because of me. scary thought

i've seen your towngame and glossed over your scumgame recently (/_\ ) plus, it's not just that; i find you a bit suspicious.

~Esper

More suspicious than votato and Chem (and more worthy of being lynched than CJ)?

(;﹏;)

[Morning Tweet]

oh noooo im sorryyy!! i didnt mean to!!!

i understand what your thought process is, i am just biased towards not seeing myself as suspicious and seeing votato/chem as suspicious (and seeing reasons for a CJ lynch if i had to).

[Morning Tweet]

pedit: joke joke! ;-;

oh!

phew

ceejay is a massive ??? but i almost dont want to choose him because its really easy and if he's town im not sure we learn anything

I suppose Chem pushing PH was bold. i guess it could have been in towny earnest, even if i massively disagree with it. Oh but now where would I go??

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler:

https://www.frixo.com/sbook/articles/wh ... ooting.asp

i think this might be what he means? not totally sure how it applies

Yeah sure there's overlap, but angle shooting refers to exploiting an inexperienced player. Is that what you think tux was doing? If so, who?

also

@NSG: even I will flip upon stumping?

also

@NSG: even I will flip upon stumping?

What'd you mean by this, votato?

oh given the nature of my role i was wondering if i would flip

Oh the nature of your role? Do tell...

because im scum

All instances of votato talking about a bunch of nothing.

That seems like an attempt to push a scum agenda of me/votato as the lynches

votato will tell you I do that as Town, watch.

you do flip flop and get overconfident, but you dont normally claim that me shitposting is AI. normally you ignore it. why youre suddenly saying its scummy in this game is questionable.

here is my scum meta. can you spot any differences?

this is a pretty good response by votato actually

I am back up tracker...

is this a legit claim?

Kinda don't like this... at all. If votato doesn't have me as Town, I think this is just Scum.

How are you reading votato rn exactly? i thought you said this was his town meta, what does his read on you have to do with the post you quoted

[Morning Tweet]

i think i've figured out my MT read. i think that the slot is kinda scummy, but i really dont want to vote or FoS MT, she seems too sweet to be scum!

i can live with that assessment i guess (>ω<)

but being too sweet to be scum makes me even more suspicious because i dont want to be manipulated into a town read... :/

well where do i rank in your lynchpool?

[Morning Tweet]

@Quickety What question?? And i disappeared from the thread?? i am thoroughly confuzzled

@ProHawk I bounced off of a few different votes and ended up unvoting when votato said something I liked

Remaining pool id vote is maybe {Chem>CJ=Pork>>Votato} . Quick, Conspire, Tux, PH I like for town

something like that. I'll be around today i think. If I ever have to go before deadline I will vote in advance though, so don't worry about me not voting

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Chem

What dont you like about it?

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: votato

Bad vote!1

votato claiming scum is completely NAI, I've seen him do it plenty of times as town. As yes, the awkwardness/timing of the joke is NAI as well.

~Cosmic

That's not really why i was voting him. He was at the bottom of my reads and in response to one of my questions, he claimed scum which was pretty frustrating timing. Quick voted him and I joined because I TR quick and SR votato at the time

[Morning Tweet]

If I decide on Pork/Votato/Conspire/PH being town (or at least townier than chem), which I think i am, that gives Chem +scum points for the original wagon

I originally townread Chem from the interaction and went after the two most scummy individuals on the wagon, but since i'm kinda reversing on them now, she's a more suitable bet. her reaction isn't as towny as i remembered it either

Ever since the original L-1 incident, her takes have been: Townblock votato, pressure Quick, pressure PH, then back to Quick because you felt like he was setting up votato/Chem as lynches, and finally she's voting me. I think the only one i agreed with was the original vote on Quick maybe

Right now my compromises to Chem are Pork and ceejay i think. Pork is a flipflop since i was townleaning him earlier for the meta stuff and some posts of his that were just too scummy, and ceejay is a lurker that i dont really want to make the lynch but would if i had to. So i favour chem overall

[Morning Tweet]

Would rather not risk it

Morning hasn't done her townslip this game interestingly enough. I should double check though.

~Cosmic

(´；ω；｀)

i was hoping that you'd unlocked something that could be used to read me perfectly. Maybe that'd be extremely bad for my scum game around you but still I was very curious

Pedit: !!!!!!!

[Morning Tweet]

isnt it because cj has conveniently disappeared? im willing to vote MT. her voting pattern is kinda opportunistic, and she always seems to be voting where she thinks momentum is headed.

voting someone in my lynchpool after someone in my townpool votes them is a habit for me and i usually do that rather than start a wagon myself. Makes my vote feel like it actually has pressure and i dont usually know who to pick out my lynchpool anyway

What makes you think i would only do that as scum in an opportunistic manner? As scum I actually pay attention to what im doing more and how it looks

pedit: I guess I would vote ceejay but something tells me we arent going to hear from him again before the deadline so unggggg

[Morning Tweet]

I'm not for Votato, CJ, and Porkins being lynched today. All the stuff people are scum reading them for seem just playstyle and NAI. Honestly don't like Conspire's pivot here. Do you not scum read Morning anymore? Prohawk where are you at? You seem to be flirting with a CJ pivot as well.

Do you townread Votato/CJ/Pork though, tux? Just because people's reasons for scumreading them may be wrong, doesnt make them town

Still, I prefer Chem anyway.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Chem

What dont you like about it?

isnt it because cj has conveniently disappeared? im willing to vote MT. her voting pattern is kinda opportunistic, and she always seems to be voting where she thinks momentum is headed.

votato said it better than I could

MT has also been sheeping reasons for a minute.

What??

The last time I can remember sheeping is in 497 where i said the same thing ceejay said about Chem's reason for suspectng PH being bad, but that wasnt even intentional

My lynchpool of votato/chem/CJ I thought i made pretty clear for a while now so i dont get why people are finding it opportunistic when i vote them when somebody else does. I know im biased and normally i let wagons on me sit for a bit so i can think about them and not have an emotional OMGUS, but im really not getting why people find me scummier than the other lynch options

[Morning Tweet]

youre supposed to be in my pocket so i dont like that you FoS me. its not cute when you FoS me. it does excite me in other ways though. DM me for more info.

who

are you talking to

[Morning Tweet]

youre supposed to be in my pocket so i dont like that you FoS me. its not cute when you FoS me. it does excite me in other ways though. DM me for more info.

who

are you talking to

you

oh ( ･// ω // ･)

our relationship keeps on having new developments

[Morning Tweet]

i have bad news votato

[Morning Tweet]

On one hand if we mislynch and im brought to LYLO im going to have a really rough go of it, so I guess it's not the worst thing in the world if im lynched d1

But on the other hand, then there's a lot of pressure to not get the solve wrong AND be the mislynch on d1. it's like im losing the game for us twice (-ω-)

[Morning Tweet]

Pork you LITERALLY did the same thing when we starting voting you

[Morning Tweet]

I think there's just something i do that scumtells for you -- this happened in mystery box as well.

im guessing you prolly feel too strongly about it for me to talk you out of it now though if cosmic couldnt, huh..

[Morning Tweet]

Please always try. I’m kinda curious to see who you think I am.

~Esper

Ahh okay theres 5 hours til deadline

I can come back online a little later today and respond to anything you like if you point them out. you dont have to if it'll be a waste of time but id appreciate if u said maybe the #1 and #2 most scummy things im doing and i can respond

[Morning Tweet]

i'm kinda reversing on them now, she's a more suitable bet. her reaction isn't as towny as i remembered it either

Can you elaborate on that?
Also what do you think of Tux’s latest posts to us?

~esper

Originally my thought was to townbin Chem and find the scummiest individual on the wagon, plus probably CJ/Quick since they didnt even get a chance to see the wagon. However, I didnt forget that the other possibility is that Chem could just be scum. initially I townread her reaction to the votes (I said something like "scum wouldnt react with fear") or something.

But as the game has gone on and ive starting townleaning on Pork to an extent, as well as votato, it makes Chem more likely scum. So then i check her actions to see if they're potentially scummy and im not getting any townpings from them. i started disagreeing with some takes like the one she had on PH. And then on top of that it felt like her progression with votato might have been distancey to me. I think it's still possible although i kinda started liking votato so im more leaning towards Chem + someone i wouldn't guess

I get what Tux is saying when he calls CJ an easy target. I dont agree that it's a scummy pivot but i can see the logic behind saying that scum might push for CJ, i guess because CJ is not going to defend himself and theres no reason to defend him from being lynched. The only part I dont get is why he thinks scum!Conspire would feel the need to change the wagon to CJ, but i dont see scummy intentions behind accusing Conspire at this stage of the game.

[Morning Tweet]

@Quick You find the change between those readslists to be too drastic for me to make as town?

Judging by them i would say i reevaluated Chem to not be conf!town around that time. yeah that sounds about right, im guessing i reread Tux's evaluation of the entire Chem L-1 exchange, which caused me to townread Tux more and put Chem back into consideration.

Saying the progression makes 0 sense is a little harsh. its prolly my bad for not explaining well enough i suppose

[Morning Tweet]

her reaction isn't as towny as i remembered it either

does this mean you now scumread chemist's reaction? if so, why?

but ok, i guess i'm just not feeling your reasons for thinking chemist is scum, especially when you think ceejay is lynchbait. i think chemist is slightly more townie than ceejay. ceejay is a null slot, but he's always an ok lynch because if he is town, he gets taken to lylo and he hasn't made solid interactions with anyone/etc. the fact that you think we shouldn't lynch ceejay actually feels to me like you think he will be the lynch but don't want to get your hands dirty? what makes you think ceejay isn't a good lynch?

i thought tux's reaction made sense.

~Esper

I dont scumread it, no. I would say i probably lightly townread it but i dont think its outside the range of one scum could have.

Ceejay is pretty close to a 0 on the townie scale for me. I dont have any reason to think he's town but i simultaneously expect he'd play like this as either alignment so im mostly stuck. I'd prefer Chem over him just for the mechanics of how the early game went and the lack of any townpings from her later in the game.

You think I wouldnt want to get my hands dirty lynching ceejay, but id be fine with doing so on pork/votato/Chem? I dont really see the difference. I have no qualms against the ceejay wagon it is just a little anticlimactic I suppose

[Morning Tweet]

LHF?

i dont townread ceejay, nor would i be surprised at either possible result of his flip. it wasnt my intention to make it sound any other way

i am going to dieeeeee

On one hand i dont want to be the lynch. but like on the other, if i am gonna be so suspected that i get brought to 3p, id rather not have to deal with that LYLO pressure and get it out of the way now.

[Morning Tweet]

thats the second time youve talked about how ok you are with being lynched. kinda feels like a LAMIST AtE flail.

(>﹏<) you've done the same thing votato

im fine with being the lynch today, i think its better if im a stump tomorrow.

i think you just want me to see me as scummy at this point so u can feel better about killin me. which is perfectly acceptable, i wouldnt have it any other way

[Morning Tweet]

https://i.imgur.com/iFQ5g1u.gifv

Worth the watch though. Highly recommended.

~Cosmic

this was definitely worth the wait

[Morning Tweet]

i kinda like looking at the base of your trunk anyway. im sure youll make a very nice stump. although i should say that your blossoms are what really get me.

(ﾟωﾟ;)

you have my permission to vote me

[Morning Tweet]

yes i am a very stumped bat in a moment here

Do i count this as a game where im mislynched, or is it different because im not actually going to die?

pedit: I dont want to speculate about who scum is. That just tells them who to stump

[Morning Tweet]

Hell no im not self hammering btw

[Morning Tweet]

I forgive you so long as you arent scum!

[Morning Tweet]

im not :c

[Morning Tweet]

It is a plurality lynch. seniority breaking ties

[Morning Tweet]

im not :c

[Morning Tweet]

im not :c

if you were town what would you say?

Idk. Probably would have had more power behind it. maybe gotten a stronger emoticon

[Morning Tweet]

(･ω<)

it was fun, i just cant be not nervous

[Morning Tweet]

votato your posts to me made it really enjoyable !! even at the very end i was having fun

[Morning Tweet]

Did we actually just win?

~Cosmic

No bamboozle.

its bittersweet cause i had a lot of fun all the way thru but i also feel guilty -- we were doing fine till the end

[Morning Tweet]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who was your partner?

~Cosmic

it was ceejay LOL

esper had me perfectly right with regards to how i was treating him. gah

[Morning Tweet]

I wouldnt do what Eve did -- she took me on a rollercoaster of emotions I wouldnt curse upon anyone else

[Morning Tweet]

im a bit sad that cj just lurked... also im a bit upset at you for rolling scum, MT

please dont be upset!!! i couldnt help it! ceejay must have shot the conductor, how would i even handle a gun? he roped me into this :c

[Morning Tweet]

i feel bad that my lynchpool was half the playerlist. i feel good that at least i had both scum in there

I'd say thats pretty much a win actually, means you townread 3-4 ppl correctly

[Morning Tweet]

I always just townread the whole playerlist. Means I have a 75% read accuracy.

~Cosmic

i respect that. and you have esper to figure me out

[Morning Tweet]

I DIDNT MEAN TO TAKE IT

do we have to wait another page now?

[Morning Tweet]

im really sorryyyyyy

i dont mean to drag this out or anything

[Morning Tweet]

Well that's not a big surprise

[Morning Tweet]

so we win?

let's win for real now, shall we? (>ω<)

[Morning Tweet]

Sorry about the mislynch, Morning. Turns out my towntell for you might actually work.

I suspected you were reaction testing lul, it was pretty convincing though.

~Cosmic

i absolve you and Esper of all crimes o7

[Morning Tweet]

IM SO GLAD I'M DEAD!

I would have defended you til the end of time, don't worry

Turns out your reads weren't so bad afterall, hey?

[Morning Tweet]

Tuxedo>votato>Conspire>ProHawk>Porkens>Chemist>Quick>Ceejay was my end of day townreads probably

I think Tuxedo/votato/Conspire were 100% forced stumps, if any appeared in LYLO i (hopefully) would have assumed WIFOM. ProHawk is similar but he didnt get a chance to react to my scumclaim so i had less reason to believe hes town

Tbh i was starting to think Quick was scum for his vote on me (tux mentioned that too). Glad he's stumped.

Ceejay is so scummy he had to go to LYLO. Chem has huge mislynch potential. Pork? Did anyone find Pork more scummy than the other options yesterday?

I wanna say it's between Chem/ceejay for me, i think they just had to put Pork there because he was the next-scummiest player they had to choose from

[Morning Tweet]

i'M SO SORRY ;-;

~Esper

✿

it is okay. i have merely been arrested and searched i think

[Morning Tweet]

I feel like the odds of us hitting ProHawk in a LYLO with Conspire/Tux/Votato in it were decent, as compared to trying to sort out ceejay/Chem/Pork -- We have almost no info on ceejay!

But if the team were exactly ProHawk/ceejay, would they choose the ceejay/Chem/Pork LYLO? I'd want to say they'd pick the paranoia ProHawk/Conspire/tux-votato one since ProHawk can more actively try and win it. If they picked ceejay/Chem/Pork it's heavily in town's hands

I'm lightly leaning towards it just being Chem here but that is pending further evaluation

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I almost don't wanna read ProHawk's posts cause they could have just been made with the intention to trick us

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Pedit: I don't think ProHawk played all of day 1 planning to treestump himself. He also would've cared about trying to avoid getting his scum buddy lynched.

~Cosmic

For sure. getting into the WIFOM of how how he would approach his partner is gonna be super painful for me personally though

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MT im still super sorry for lynching you. you kinda deserve it for toying with us like that though.

Also, it was kinda hot to tie you up and search you while you teased us like that...

(O‿O；)

hey wait! -- the toying with came

after

you decided to lynch me. as far as im concerned, we're even now

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He may not have been thinking about it -- maybe that's why he made 389.

I don't know about anyone else, but this is my first time playing this setup and if I were scum, I don't necessarily think that I would have thought about quick-hammering particularly that quick into the game had my team-mate not been Chem. So for me there is a very real possibility that there are other scenarios aside from the "optimal" play as scum at work here.

very cheeky if so

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Top of my head ceejay otherwise why am I here?

Assuming misty is chem?

Well there weren't a lot of options. Couldn't have taken Conspire/Tuxedo/Votato/(ProHawk). Just leaves Quick/ceejay/Chem/Pork.

I doubt you were brought simply to tunnel Chem

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Probably because CJ's inactivity made them the least likely to ruin the gambit.

Yup. I knew there was a 0.001% chance that ceejay would pop in lol

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also, MT why did you pick cj as scumbuddy when you were mean yesterday in twilight? could that be why cj is still alive?

mean!?! i wasn't being mean !!

You were way too touchy-feely while i was getting searched. it was so unwarranted (；-ω-)

But yeah I think CJ stays alive to LYLO regardless of that, unless they did a paranoia gambit

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How are we supposed to know if it's ceejay or not!?

I guess does the ceejay/ProHawk team think we would lynch ceejay or not. It seems risky because theres always the possibility we do, but at the same time, it probably seems more obvious that we'd attack Chem/Pork, I suppose?

Chem was the main counterwagon and looks bad for the early game business. Pork I was coming around on though, were other people too?

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Well of course you don’t like it.

My gut says I’m for the sole purpose to keep tunneling chem.

There were like only 4 viable options to bring to LYLO

Pork/ceejay/Chem/Quickety

I think your line of reasoning has some merit -- You werent the only one who wanted Chem dead of course, it's possible scum brought her here and thats the plan. But i disagree that the sole reason you are here is for that, there were very few people they could bring to LYLO

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I can see scum!Pork's gameplan being bring ceejay/Chem to lylo, insist on not lynching Chem as like a switch-up, and then get ceejay lynched for the win

i think reversing on Chem is pretty smart for scum!Pork, at surface level it seems like something scum!Pork wouldnt do cause it narrows the lynch pool just to ceejay and takes a hard stance rather than being fencesitty between the two

But also at the same time that would require ProHawk's push on Pork early to have been a distancing play. Havent gone back and went over it like Conspire has yet

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I think prohawk would’ve been viable to bring to lylo actually

I probably would’ve done that if I were scum here

I suppose that's a good point although i was just ignoring him cause for whatever reason scum decided the other partner was better

If they brought ProHawk, i'd expect maybe a different other 2 as well. Maybe more townread people cause ProHawk would stand out heavily in a lylo with say Pork/ceejay

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Spoiler: Chem suspecting PH

VOTE: prohawk

Maybe?

I feel like they aren't trying to actually evaluate stuff wrt porkens

VOTE: prohawk

Maybe?

I feel like they aren't trying to actually evaluate stuff wrt porkens

Can you flesh this out a bit? Because I am pretty sure you could say the same thing about half the players in this game - conspire, I think.

I've definitely seen some active solving from Esper

Lemme go ISO prohawk to show what I'm talking about

actually you know what

I'm tired and don't feel like getting the quotes right

But basically PH is pushing on porkens without any sort of follow-up solving using the push, which is weird because it seems like a "let's start here" vote

Does scum!Chem feel the need to force a push on her scum partner out of the blue here? On one hand, i dont see why scum!chem would do that, seems like a bad idea -- too obvious, the case wasnt even really strong.

On the other hand though, it was highly unlikely it'd gain any traction and she swapped to Quick quickly, so there was 0 risk involved

Another thing im wondering about Chem is the reversal of her read on me. But maybe this point is moot cause a lot of townies wanted me dead so it's not really that hard to believe i suppose

Chem feels a tad apathetic this game -- would she be trying harder to explain her reads as scum? If I recall correctly, most of her votes just had one-liners and a lot of the time she didnt go into detail explaining em. she sounded very tired and not overly invested. I am curious if she does this as scum but in both of her scum games ive seen so far, she just replaces into a super scummy slot and dies quickly

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You two took my #1 and #2 spots for town at the end of the day, scum would have had to been crazy to put either of you in lylo (at least in my opinion)

I'm starting to reverse on Chem but i dont know who i'd pick between pork and ceejay

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i didnt mean to use that emoji and quite frankly im annoyed just looking at it

I'm starting to reverse on Chem but i dont know who i'd pick between pork and ceejay x﹏x

fixed ^

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you took #1 spot on my bat-list by the end of the day. above batman, dracula, and even Zubat.

awh ty (>∀<) ♥

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This is a hard. I’m pretty much convinced that cj/pro put me here to keep tunneling like a dummy. But that means my job is to somehow convince the speaking dead of this AND chemist obviously thinks it’s PRo/pork so I’m not sure what if anything I can do. Cj needs to post/be prodded or replaced because this game state is just gunna stay here otherwise

If it's Chem/ProHawk, who would they have put in LYLO instead of you? I felt like you were going to LYLO no matter who the team was

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I mean you still would've pushed for her lynch if you were a stump.

At this point though im not really sure it matters cause I am getting the feeling a Chem/ProHawk team would've stumped Chem. They have certainly WIFOM'ed me out if it is Chem/PH though

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So i started off trying to convince myself of either ceejay/pork being scum -- couldnt do it. Checking Chem again I guess !

VOTE: prohawk

Maybe?

I feel like they aren't trying to actually evaluate stuff wrt porkens

Lemme go ISO prohawk to show what I'm talking about

actually you know what

I'm tired and don't feel like getting the quotes right

But basically PH is pushing on porkens without any sort of follow-up solving using the push, which is weird because it seems like a "let's start here" vote

This does look kind of bad to me. Chem's reasoning for pushing PH didn't really hold true -- did she do it because she had to?

VOTE: MT

I don’t like their progression on my slot

Chem had the option of joining ProHawk/votato and vote Porkens, or joining Conspire/Quickety and vote Morning. im biased but im not impressed by this reasoning for the vote. Perhaps she chose to join the wagon with her buddy not on it but i could easily see town!Chem doing this too. If Chem is scum with PH though, it probably would have been a bad move to choose Pork

I think a big obstacle with Chem for me is, why would you have Chem go to LYLO rather than PH? Chem is a really obvious target for us, possibly moreso than ceejay.

I'd say in order of how much pressure I wouldve expected on each member in LYLO today, id go Chem>Ceejay>>Pork

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I thought that you thought it's Pork, Chem

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i got accidentally killed mainly by my teammates but it's okay -- it was a misunderstanding

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Would any of you have had a strong desire to vote any of the 3 living players without any additional day 2 information?
How does your death impact that read?

My snap reaction was Chem and if i was forced to kill someone instantly it prolly would've been her. Circling back and forth today but am still leaning on Chem

Only problem is that with a Chem/ProHawk team, leaving Chem last alive seems like a terrible idea. They stumped all the town on my wagon except for Chem

Whereas with a Porken/ProHawk team, the groundwork has been laid and leaving Pork alive is great. ProHawk n Pork distanced well, Chem and ceejay are more scummy players, all around very winning

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From my point of view the only options to vote were Chem (best), ceejay (second best), or myself (third best I GUESS).

Chem has an early game interaction where she got sent to L-1, i believe her flipping town would have been pretty good information-wise but also thought she was a great bet for scum

Ceejay was mostly pretty absent and very difficult to read. He's ended up at my least likely scum just cause i want to believe that ProHawk/ceejay wouldn't send the inactive player to LYLO just for a replacement to take care of. I will be slightly annoyed if that is what happened but they will have bested me in that case

Pork i townleaned

Pedit: that is not how i interpreted the question. Correction:

[4] Morning Tweet : LicketyQuickety, Chemist1422, Conspire, votato

Conspire and votato were basically my highest townreads at the end of day. Same for a lot of people probably. Scum leaving them alive would have been a terrible move

Quick I reversed my townread end of day (Conspire also scumread him end of day). However, we didnt voice this in thread with one exception: Tuxedo mentioned that Quick's vote was bad. Quick was overall a townlean during the majority of the day i believe

Chemist1422 looks bad, was the counterwagon to me, and generally is going to be kept alive 100% if she is town

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How would Porkens know that Chem was going to attack him?

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Also even if Chem was stumped, she could still advocate for his lynch just the same

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Ctrl+f Porkens in chemists iso scum are far more self aware then town are. If I can spot it at a quick glance a scum Porkens could

She scumread him during RVS, attacked ProHawk for a faulty evaluation of Pork, and now scumreads Pork start of today.

there wasn't really any build up D1 for Chem pressing Pork especially hard. She barely even is today

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I agree that Quick being stumped was the biggest surprise

K I am reading the thread in depth just throwing my immediate thoughts down.

they're helpful!

I don't think it's you and am mostly have been reading over Chem and Pork for a while now and am not getting a lot of useful stuff. Pork has expressed that he feels like he was kept alive in order to attack Chem, but ive been contesting that point and similar lines of reasoning a bunch

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Scum had to have known we'd want to kill Chem. You'd think PH/Chem stumps Chem. This is only a winning LYLO for Pork cause of the distancing and how he wasnt at the bottom of most reads

but,

wifom

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Scum had to have known we'd want to kill Chem. You'd think PH/Chem stumps Chem. This is only a winning LYLO for Pork cause of the distancing and how he wasnt at the bottom of most reads

but,

wifom

Didn't town want to kill both living players?
A scum that we wanted to kill day 1 might still make it to day 2 over a lurker idk.

Both living players?

But yeah we wanted to kill ceejay too, you're right. But like in a less active way i suppose. Chem we actively were trying to lynch (scumreads, L-2 wagon), ceejay we wanted in the middle part of the day, but he got dropped randomly towards the end and we just forgot about him.

He got brought up at the very end but there were no votes. ProHawk did mention he was willing to swap to ceejay at the very end of the day i believe

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Why has Ceejay been completely taken off the table?

~Cosmic

No one is voting there??

Honestly, wouldn't be a bad vote, I would vote here. I don't know that meta is a strong argument, but ceejay did exactly the same thing in my last Newbie game where he was gone/lurking the entire game until the end and then picked up the second day. I was hoping there was going to be a replacement here if ceejay legitimately didn't have time to give the game.

if we started a flash ceejay wagon after this post, it would've been game over for ceejay/Prohawk. PH was pretty much obliged to move his vote off of Pork to ceejay if it had happened

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Honestly yeah more or less that's pretty much all correct

I suppose that would explain why they stump PH rather than Chem

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I forgot that they couldn't let Tuxedo/Conspire/Votato live, so they HAD to kill ProHawk

That would perfectly explain why Chem is in this LYLO actually. And it explains why Quick got benched

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im wrong about my town

soulread

again? dangit :C

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Nah in my mind i'm pretty much feeling like if it's PH/ceejay, they can win, cause i think it's the least likely option. I think that PH did a good distancing job if this is the case, and beeboy has great believable catchup too

Also like, if it is PH/ceejay, im not really sure how to figure that out at this point anyway

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Exciting!

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i wish i hadn't seen that

I find it really interesting that PH/Chem has about the worst LYLO positioning ever, whereas PH/Pork is in a fantastic spot -- makes me absolutely clueless which one it is. So I guess props to whichever one it is because you've confused me whichever way it is

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i dont like how porkens came into lylo shifting from pushing chem to cj/bb tbh

It felt pretty rehearsed yeah

My argument that PH/Chem never takes this LYLO with Chem in it kinda got beaten by Tuxedo's point in 917. I think ProHawk had no choice but to be the one who was stumped -- Conspire/votato/Tuxedo would have beaten him out easily, and he'd stand out really hard in any other lylo

That would also explain why Quick was stumped, he seemed much more likely to vote Chem than he would Pork reading thru earlier in his ISO.

So this LYLO is bad for Chem, and Chem could have gotten forced into it with no other choice. But on the other hand, Pork could have set up this LYLO intentionally to destroy Chem, but he rehearsed a pivot to ceejay as a way to offset that

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WILL OF THE COUNCIL

Porkens (2) - Esper, Cosmic, Votato
Chemist (1) - Tuxedo Mask

Not Voting (2) - Quick, Morning Tweet

I'm getting there!!!!! maybe

Pork is playing this LYLO better than Chem and it makes me want to vote him even though that feels kinda wrong

I'll finish my prohawk dive sometime tomorrow.
I think from a pure "what would I want as prohawk" I'd either send myself in or send porkens in.

As prohawk I am not sending in Chem I think???

that's exactly what i thought until I noticed that PH would lose to Conspire/votato/Tuxedo. If ProHawk had gone in with Chem/Pork/CJ, i think he would have stuck out really hard

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I'm not sure i buy that Pork believes he was brought to LYLO for some specific agenda. the pivot to ceejay felt rehearsed

If it is Chem/PH they destroyed me WIFOM-wise too

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ProHawk voted Chem in RVS which is a funny coincidence now that we're down to just 2 options

Individually i find Chem much more scummy than pork throughout D1

Chem had a moment where it felt like she was distancing ProHawk. ProHawk had a moment where it felt like he was distancing Pork. ProHawk's push on pork is more believable to me, Chem's felt more forced

Chem was the counterwagon to me on D1. She townread me early but swapped to me late with a scumread reason, but this could have just been survivalism she was dishonest about

This is an awful LYLO for Chem/ProHawk, however, it is possible they were simply forced into it cause of votato/Conspire/Tuxedo spewing town end of day yesterday

This is a great LYLO for PH/Pork. Pork felt kinda rehearsed coming into today, he was oddly insistent on how he felt like he was brought just to tunnel Chem.

This is a summary of a bunch observations made so far -- I flip flop quite a bit but there is more evidence suggesting Chem is scum. If Pork is scum, it was a cleaner game for him.

at the current moment I can only feel good voting here. im not fully convinced so ill keep reflecting though

VOTE: Chemist

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But I can't just defy democracy you know, the town will flame me if I am wrong.

no matter what you choose, you've done a great job repping in !!

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no matter what you choose, you've done a great job repping in !!

if MT is scum she has me totally pocketed.

i would never try to deceive you, votato! (*^ω^)♥

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Hmm, I haven't ruled it out yet. That heart is suspiciously very red.

~Cosmic

was meant to be white -- its pure and innocent, just like me!

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oh dear (；-ω-)

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what do you fill that gut with?

small children and baby animals mostly. not bats.

(；・ω・)

ooh okay thats.. fine i guess...

pork could be scum but I cannot vote him with a clear conscience

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Good choice regardless of the result beeboi

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You guys should join Hectics Death Switch in the micro queue, it has me, Morning Tweet and Tuxedo mask.



Wow I know some of those guys very cool :O

(♥ω♥) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Damn that was nice Porky! ProHawk too

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also thank you to nsg for modding!! i really enjoyed the flavour/story!

~esper

yess!! Really cool setup, really cool flavour, even the role PMs were fancy

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i just saw the hydra PT. the bat stump makes me feel better