Micro 947 - Comet 1: Kill Switch

[Morning Tweet]

Hi Ame hi beeboy hi Tuxedo hi dunkey hi Kanna and hi Datisi and Ico !!!!!!!!!!!

Allow me to introduce myself I am Muxedo Task, you can call me MT for short. I'm sure that won't cause an issue with any of you.

Seriously though, with this set up we should keep our scum reads to ourselves. The less scum know about who we dislike the better, as it makes it a greater challenge for them to decide where to send the switches.

you can have MT this game!! i prefer Morning anyway

[Morning Tweet]

Seriously though, with this set up we should keep our scum reads to ourselves. The less scum know about who we dislike the better, as it makes it a greater challenge for them to decide where to send the switches.

wait so we're only allowed to townread?

(¬ω¬) interesting

[Morning Tweet]

You've heard rumours of some not returning before... but those are just stories, right?

guys i think we may have made a critical error in judgment

You can scum read if you want, but that only gives scum more power to WIFOM.

welcome to the townblock i will do my best not to put the whole game in it this time around

[Morning Tweet]

You can scum read if you want, but that only gives scum more power to WIFOM.

welcome to the townblock i will do my best not to put the whole game in it this time around

this time around?

I have a long and storied history of townreading nearly every single living player in my games -- i do it about 50% of the time. i didn't do it too bad in Treestump, I don't think

[Morning Tweet]

Morning Tweet can I be in the town block? I really want to be in it I think it'll be fun.

Welcome aboard!! but i can only hold one more. im trying to quit my addiction and will allow no more than 3 people in the town block

[Morning Tweet]

HEAL: beeboy

townreads!!!

[Morning Tweet]

Hi Ame hi beeboy hi Tuxedo hi dunkey hi Kanna and hi Datisi and Ico !!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Morning, hi everyone!!! I told myself I wasn't going to play, but this playerlist/setup combination was too amazing!

Yay!!!!!!!!!! ヽ(^ω^)ノ

if we're going to minimize info for scum on D1, i will srsly limit myself to only 3 public townreads. u all have my permission to whap me if i violate this rule

[Morning Tweet]

Hi Ame hi beeboy hi Tuxedo hi dunkey hi Kanna and hi Datisi and Ico !!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Morning, hi everyone!!! I told myself I wasn't going to play, but this playerlist/setup combination was too amazing!

Yay!!!!!!!!!! ヽ(^ω^)ノ

if we're going to minimize info for scum on D1, i will srsly limit myself to only 3 public townreads. u all have my permission to whap me if i violate this rule

Why do you town read Bee? It seems you disagree with them on how to handle day 1, why?

he asked nicely to join the townbloc!

(Just a starter townread to get my feet wet)

Morning Tweet brings up a good points.
We should ask questions and what not, but not state our conclusions in thread unless its important.

Such as healing / not healing someone.

So for example you can ask my why I keep talking mechanics and not reads and if I have anymore thoughts.
But don't say whether you're curious or actually find it scummy.

I think i agree that for day one i will refrain from stating most of my conclusions. if everyone does this, it'll probably be harder to actually base reads off of meaningful things, but we might need to make the sacrifice

however, yeah i would say that it is important that we can say at least a few individuals we like, if we are going to try to agree on townie player today. Sure we could just do naked heals but i wanna have at least a little something to work off of from D1. i suppose we open ourselves to switch WIFOM but also we could just ignore who has what switch as tuxedo mentioned

Actually if we just all agreed to totally ignore who has what switch, we could just do reads normally. unless there's a drawback to that im missing. for now ill just do the townreads though and I'll think more abt it!

[Morning Tweet]

you've got to be more careful Tux!

wait up guys. I'm sad about parity but nice, my plan might work!

what does everyone think about doing a reverse and healing the scummiest person to leash them into pick their own switch?

Ohh so they cant suicide bomb one of us? it's an interesting plan.

Only problem being we have a higher chance of giving the switch to town than we do scum

[Morning Tweet]

Actually if we just all agreed to totally ignore who has what switch, we could just do reads normally. unless there's a drawback to that im missing. for now ill just do the townreads though and I'll think more abt it!

I think the issue behind this is a prisoner's dilemma sort of deal. It's beneficial for us as a group to all do it, but it's most beneficial for me to let you all do it and I use my switch however I like. Which results in people not honoring this in practice.

I think, going off what votato said, in the event we all agreed to let the majority control our switches, we'd just crucify someone who rebelled against that

wait up guys. I'm sad about parity but nice, my plan might work!

what does everyone think about doing a reverse and healing the scummiest person to leash them into pick their own switch?

Can't you just get the towniest person to pick the switch for the scummiest person.
Then avoiding the entire "I ain't killing myself" debacle.

i agree. if we forced the scummiest person to take their own switch, and we actually did manage to hit scum, they're just going to refuse to kill themself, we lynch them, and then we have to go to a night phase which lets them take out a townie of their choosing anyway

so in summary, we should probably heal a townie and plan for them picking scum since it's more likely that we're going to heal a townie, and even if we manage to heal scum and make em take their switch, they could get a kill off at night 2 anyway since nothing forces them to hit their own switch

[Morning Tweet]

Morning, you would tell me if you were scum here right?

of course! but only u. cant let too many ppl in (>ω<)

Spoiler: just for donkey

im town c;

[Morning Tweet]

"Yay!! Let's get the dragon! He's so cute." Morning said, misunderstanding the stranger's intentions.

HEAL: Iconeum

Has she already fallen for the monster's deception?

[Morning Tweet]

4: Morning, can you remind me to ask you about 84 Day 2?

5: Anyone not voting to heal me, why?

6: We just RPing now?

7: Anyone not voting to heal me, why aren't you voting yourselves?

8:

Hectic, killing it with the flavor.

4 - definitely!

5 - I'm contemplating it, beeboy raises an interesting point that we wont really need your switch pick to discern your alignment since you create a lot of content. HOWEVER: if we were to decide you are town, id like for a townie to have the switch. So is our goal to use it investigatively, or to give it to someone we can trust?

6 - hehe (^ω^)

7 - reasons

8 - Yes!!!!

[Morning Tweet]

"Listen to me!!! This is no time for games! We are all in danger so long as the dragon roams free. We must move swiftly before—"

She pauses suddenly, contemplating before again speaking up in a softer voice.

"Listen. I know it may be hard to believe. That such an adorable looking creature could be the cause of so much woe..But I have witnessed it with my very own eyes. I will not let it strike again."

Morning looks towards the dragon, and says, "Look at that face! He could do no wrong!"

"How could he possibly trick me? What's he gonna do, try and bargain with us?" she laughed.

Heal: Iconeum

here's the deal

you all heal me, and everyone who healed me gets a say in what switch I take

"Ok sounds good!"

(i am more interested in seeing what you choose than trying to harness you)

[Morning Tweet]

how awesome would it be if you would all HEAL ME!

not many people can say they leashed a fucking dragon

pet dragon !!!! can i ride on ur back in return for the heal? pleeaase? (人>ω<)

[Morning Tweet]

pet dragon !!!! can i ride on ur back in return for the heal? pleeaase? (人>ω<)

you're already basically a dragon arent you? you have wings and teeth and live in a cave

i am sort of like a dragon, if it were sized down 10 times, and exclusively ate fruit

speaking of diets, what do dragons eat anyway? not bats or donkeys, i hope!

[Morning Tweet]

pet dragon !!!! can i ride on ur back in return for the heal? pleeaase? (人>ω<)

unfortunately, as a study recently performed in the Mish Mash area of this fine establishment, pet dragons are NOT popular

but yes i'll take you for a ride

i can't believe it!!!!

there are no other options now -- Votato, join us on the dragon wagon!!

[Morning Tweet]

(人^ω^) im in need of saving? im having the best time of my life right now!

Ame is- well, did you see the severed wolf head? Clearly she's picked up some dragon related trust issues somewhere down the line. I'm sure it was all a misunderstanding, i mean, what kind of a killer gives you rides?

[Morning Tweet]

what a great predicament! i wouldnt have this go any other way. i do believe this wagon could potentially be better, but ill leave it at that

okay, back to dragon time (人^ω^)♥

[Morning Tweet]

votato nyoooooooo

[Morning Tweet]

hia Klick!!!

i have votatos switch. perhaps because he betrayed me yesterday ;c we could have ridden the dragon together!

[Morning Tweet]

Also @everyone: why did you vote ico/ame yesterday?

when i originally voted Ico it was just cause i wanted to oppose Ames violent means and i had the idea to beg Ico for rides

But afterwards i liked how a.) it was a counterwagon and b.) I felt like Ame was just gonna take Ico's switch and if we asked why, she could of course just say "Well that was the plan wasnt it", whereas if we gave it to Ico, he could very well have picked anybody and maybe we'd learn more from his pick

[Morning Tweet]

Morning tweet is cute as a button. I could never hurt them. We've only played one game previously. I have a town read of them, but I don't think i said much day 1. Actually to go back to day 1, I dislike how my wagon fell apart. So I'd like to discuss why that happened now that we can.

(/ω＼) stahppp

I need to review d1 to refresh myself, but I recall lightly townreading you and i felt like you were a fine pick if i wanted a better than random chance of giving the switch to a townie. but we could also potentially learn stuff by doing an Ame v. Ico thing and idk it almost felt boring just giving it to a townread off the bat. i really committed to the dragon loving bit by the end (^ω^)

[Morning Tweet]

ok im gonna reread later but im going to predict my townreads are maybe votato + Tuxedo, and the townleans are up in the air

[Morning Tweet]

So basically, why did the wagon fall apart, and why did they switch to the wagons they did?

i was charmed by a certain dragon into voting him. i had no choice!

(I dont think i was on your wagon. Yes, you weren't giving scum insight into your reads and you also agreed to go with the majority on whether or not to activate your switch, so you were a pretty low risk option to give it to. But i kinda wanted to give it to a mystery element to try and see if we could get a read on them from it)

[Morning Tweet]

if we knocked the game down to Tux/Votato/Morning, we have each other's switches in a lil triangle. if theres 1 scum left in there, they could just flip their switch and win, no?

[Morning Tweet]

good point. 4 alive is good as long as long as we take out a mafia with pur first 4 shots *I think*

[Morning Tweet]

{Votato, Tuxedo}
{Kanna}
{Datisi, beeboy}
{Ame-Klick, Ico}

Spoiler: votato

votato [Holder of Tuxedo]

94 - I lightly like votato healing me over Tux/Ame/Ico, since I am town and it seems the reasoning behind votato’s votes were “Don’t like selfvoting people”, which at least means he probably wasn’t following a scummy agenda

124/129 - I like the slip up where he totally votes the wrong wagon somehow, I am inclined to believe it’s not faked, which would follow that votato isn’t reading into the game extremely closely which could be town indictative

138 - This is the post where votato asks other people what the colour on their switches are -- i feel like that may not have occurred to scum!votato to ask. The colour was red

176 - Tuxedo and Votato going to LYLO happens to mirror with my reads. The timeline for votato, Tux, and I outting our townreads goes like:

Votato states he is on good terms with Tuxedo
Tuxedo states he townreads Morning
Morning says she will probably townread Tuxedo/votato
Votato says his scumpool is everyone but Morning/Tuxedo

I suppose it’s possible Votato snuck in the townread on me to pocket but at the moment im leaning on that not being the case. so im liking the similar reads, then

Spoiler: Tuxedo

Tuxedo [Holder of Morning]

I basically just like all of Tuxedo’s D1 posts. Am I gonna need to explain this one as much? I also like how he seems annoyed about his wagon not going through, seems like a reaction scum would be less likely to have

Spoiler: Datisi

Datisi [Holder of Kanna]

Not a lot to go off of for Datisi, but I think he’s probably just above the null line.

64 - I lightly like Datisi pointing out the problem in Kanna’s plan

89 - Datisi naked votes joining the Ico wagon. wanna hear more about this

Spoiler: beeboy

beeboy [Holder of Datisi]

90 - This is more or less the ideology i ended up with when i decided to stick with Ico. Beeboy healed Ame, though. Would have preferred Ico for this strategy, Ame was just going to pick Ico’s switch and not have to justify it much, would she not?

152/155 - I vaguely like beeboy speculating on the meaning of the switches.

Spoiler: Kanna

Kanna [Holder of Klick]

I feel like Kanna’s plan to give the scummiest player their own switch was in earnest. I lightly like that -- other than that I’m not sure on Kanna yet.

Spoiler: Ame-Klick

Ame-Klick [Holder of Iconeum]

No strong opinion on Ame’s D1, other than that the bit was fun. Curious who she was going to pick although I assumed Iconeum.

Also nothing on Klick yet

Spoiler: Iconeum

Iconeum [Holder of beeboy]

i love the dragonnnn. But also idk if Ico has done anything AI really, other than bargain for us to heal it

The differences in the tiers are not large-- trying to find a lot of AI stuff is difficult

It does feel a bit like one of Ame/Ico is scum, but I would probably attribute that to their contributions being entirely roleplaying and/or focusing eachother, so i didn't have anything AI to townlean off of.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Switches

I made a visual showing who has whose switch. I know that we're going to probably vote and activate them based off of majority, but there is one issue that will arise after we activate a few:

Spoiler: Activated Switches

AT LEAST the first player to die won't get to use their switch. If we kill off a player who is holding an unactivated scum switch, we'll be forced to use a lynch on that scum player down the line, and allowing a night phase if they aren't exactly the last scum player. If we kill off two players holding unactivated scum switches, we'll probably lose since scum get a night kill for sure + can suicide bomb with their switches if they have em.

Any time we kill off a player who won't get to use their switch, we need to be comfortable with the player they're holding surviving for a long time (Klick and votato in the example). Switches that we activate in the chain below a dead player ignore this problem (So after Kanna dies in this example, if we killed Datisi it wouldn't cause this issue)

[Morning Tweet]

Not going to lie that visual made me super nervous. Unless scum really misread how the three of us felt about each other.

I don't know. I got big town vibes from Morning, but this circle of friends where I'm the pocket seems way more likely to be scum crafted. Like both scum put themselves in the conga line of death, really?

Feel like scum might've thought i'd have a grudge against votato for betraying my wagon. We didn't broadcast our reads too terribly much did we? I suppose that votato voiced liking me when he healed me that one time

You raise a good point though, seems like a bad idea to put three townies in a circle. Still my favoured townreads and atm I'm just going to assume it's a coincidence since scum couldnt have known that.. surely?

[Morning Tweet]

Is Votato/Klick crazy? Where they both put themselves in the unkillable spot and propose this mass murder plan that guarantees them the win?

Votato's plan is to kill every player except himself, you, and I.

Are you referring to the second part of my visual? Cause knocking out Kanna/Morning was just an example, i picked us randomly. Yeah it would make votato/Klick semi immune but no one has proposed killing exactly Kanna and I first

[Morning Tweet]

Is Votato/Klick crazy? Where they both put themselves in the unkillable spot and propose this mass murder plan that guarantees them the win?

Votato's plan is to kill every player except himself, you, and I.

Are you referring to the second part of my visual? Cause knocking out Kanna/Morning was just an example, i picked us randomly. Yeah it would make votato/Klick semi immune but no one has proposed killing exactly Kanna and I first

Oh really? I'm dumb as hell then. How does this set up work?

We all have a switch that, if we activate it, will daykill the player whose name is written on the switch.

Spoiler: Activated Switches

However, when we do this, the switch that the killed player was holding vanishes. So if we killed Kanna by activating the switch Datisi is holding, then we no longer can activate a switch to kill Klick and must lynch her instead. Klick isn't unkillable, but if we choose to lynch her and she isn't exactly the last scum, the game will go to night and scum gets a kill.

[Morning Tweet]

Ngl I was about to say we should flip the dragon and if he flips town then the person whose switch he has is probably scum.
Well hopefully he is scum otherwise my analysis isn't off to a great start.

how so? and isn't that you?

pedit: i was thinking the opposite. what are the benefits of scum holding a buddy's switch? isn't it more valuable for them to have the power to instakill a townie?
p-p-edit: ;ccc

This are basically just two different strategies. You can suicide bomb a townie if you hold a townies switch, yeah. But if you hold a scum's switch, then you make your partner immune to being daykilled by some reckless townie (In theory. We're going to go off of majority though, so this seems like a bad idea)

IMO if scum realizes we're just going to go with consensus on whether or not we activate our switches, then there's no benefit at all to who gets what switch, EXCEPT for how they become immune to being killed by a switch if the one holding their switch is killed first.

I don't know how likely it is that scum realized that, though. If they did, then I'd expect that scum would choose a scummy player to hold their switch, one who is likely to die before them.

[Morning Tweet]

Also i dont know the extent scum could really read into how we were reading each other based off of the D1 play. I could compile a list of what scum might have thought by reading the thread, but it might not be helpful if it gets too WIFOMY

For example, when scum sees votato vote to heal me, they'd probably interpret that as "Votato townreads Morning". Or when I voted for Ico and encouraged others to join me, perhaps they would find me more likely to want to kill people offwagon as opposed to on Ico's wagon.

I don't really know if scum put that much thought into this though and even if they did I probably can't perfectly anticipate what they were thinking

[Morning Tweet]

OH, I took your lay out to mean that some switches just didn't work (for some reason) and you know who (for some reason). God I feel silly most of my last few posts are worthless.

ahhhhh i should've clarified that more. all good though!

[Morning Tweet]

everyone brings up a lot of good points. i felt like looking closely into it for a little while

This was my first attempt at trying to evaluate this. It seemed like all strategies are equal if you assume that the reads of the holder of the switch dont matter and we're just gonna lynch normally

What I failed to take into account is suicide bombing -- a scum player can fit in an extra kill in as they die if the switch they are holding is a townie and they react quickly before getting killed. And also if they hold the switch to their partner, they can't suicide bomb, and we'd just kill off that person since scum didnt want them dead for some reason. If this is something scum thought of, then scum can't hold their partners switch.

Not just that though-- if scum holds the switch to the townie that has their partner's switch, they get a bonus chance of a D3. a D3 possibility unlocks if that townie is lynched OR if that scum partner is lynched first

So I think the highest safety and highest value strategy scum could choose involves A.) Never holding your partners switch and B.) One scum holds the switch to the townie that holds their partners switch

Maybe they didn't think of doing this, maybe they just did them randomly, or maybe they purposefully did something bad to trick us. But if scum went for the best strategy as far as I can tell, then they would have arranged the switches like this:



(The people wearing lil hats are scum.)

the precise order is Scum(Beeboy) -> Town(Datisi) -> Scum(Kanna) ->Klick(Town) -> Iconeum(Town) && Morning(Town) -> Votato(Town)-> Tuxedo(Town)

or STSTT + TTT

In the example, lynching Kanna is the best choice we can make, but even that gets a townie killed. Lynching Iconeum or Datisi, who hold scum switches, gives scum D2 immunity to being hit by the switches and guarantees a D3 if we dont make a lynch on the last remaining scum end of day. Lynching beeboy, who is scum in the example, also is bad for us since he can suicide bomb Datisi, who holds his partners switch which does the same thing causing a D3 possibility to open up. Additionally, switching off Klick, Morning, Votato, and Tuxedo will all be a perfectly fine 1 townie death. And the red herring 3 person group is just icing on the cake really

I can see a better strategy though that scum didn't use. STST + TTTT. Maybe there's a problem with my reasoning, or maybe that's proof they didn't think this long and hard about it

TLDR:

if they set us up this way, we lose on every single switch pull except for one, and they can still cut their losses a bit on the one. Don't really know if scum actually thought of doing it, but there are multiple parts that make this strategy good and I feel like they had to have thought about at least some of it

[Morning Tweet]

i think the optimal switch order for town is STS. so they want to hold the switch of the townie holding their partner's switch. that means the small circle is all town. if it isnt all town id only be willing to go for tuxedo. but i think we are safe in saying the scumpairs are either {datisi, ico} or {beeboy, kanna}. this assumes that im correct about the switch order and that klick is town, and that the smaller circle is town. im confident in all three propositions.

so i think if datisi activates kanna, bee activates datisi, ico activates bee, and klick activates ico, i think we win.

i lightly like Kanna and beeboy, so i'm leaning on Datisi/Ico or Datisi/Klick.

Or if i messed up one of those townleans, Ico/Kanna (lol) or beeboy/Klick

Where does your confidence in Klick being town come from?

[Morning Tweet]

that was mean (；へ：)

[Morning Tweet]

Atm im thinking beeboy kills Datisi, Ico kills beeboy, Klick kills Ico, Kanna kills Klick, leaving Kanna alive. {Kanna, Morning, Tuxedo, votato}. That plan will cause Datisi/Ico and beeboy/Klick to lose.

Then if one scum is still alive, we kill one person in our 3 man group. Leaving {Kanna, Morning, Tuxedo} for example. Then if the game still isn't over, that hopefully confirms one player as town (the one who still has a switch and isn't pressing it to insta win), and they decide the lynch between Kanna and whoever the other person is

Hopefully both scum are in the totem of death. But also, did they anticipate that we'd think to kill the bigger group? And should it be Kanna who survives? I will try to find answers to those questions and more sometime soon

[Morning Tweet]

I feel the best about votato, Tuxedo, and myself being town, and i could make a case for also sparing Kanna i think -- more tomorrow but i want to hear what the big group in particular thinks about this plan

[Morning Tweet]

We're fine nuking the large group as long as we hit at least one scum in there. They both could be in there, too.

After nuking them, we'll end up with 1 survivor + {votato, Morning, Tuxedo}. We can then kill anyone out of the small group we choose.

If the game is still going, then we're left with 1 survivor + Morning -> Votato OR 1 survivor + Votato -> Tuxedo OR 1 survivor + Tuxedo -> Morning

Whoever is holding the gun is confirmed town if they are town, then we have to choose between either firing it at the small group member or lynching the large group survivor

We will guaranteed get to that last step if everyone in the game can agree on a member of the small group being town, agree on a member of the large group being town, and agree that there is at least 1 scum in the large group.

Then we kill everybody but the large group townie and we kill the player holding the gun of the small group townie. So if we agreed Kanna and Tuxedo are the towniest of each group, we fire all the guns in the large group except the one that kills Kanna, and then we fire my gun at votato since he holds Tuxedo's gun. As long as Tuxedo is town, we get a 1v1 between me and Kanna if there's still scum left

[Morning Tweet]

well that was just an example

I am pulling for Kanna in the large group but i still haven't gone through it again cause i wanted to see more reactions to this plan first

i'd like to be the towniest of the small group but if it weren't me then i'd have to look more deeply as well cause you and Tuxedo are near each other at the top of my reads

[Morning Tweet]

Oh yeah cause 1 lynch + 2 suicide bomb + 1 nightkill and it's 2v2 already

Another argument for scum not holding each other's switches i see

[Morning Tweet]

TUX

i was gonna eat that

(ノ﹏ヽ)

[Morning Tweet]

morning could you link a scum game of yours for our viewing pleasure?

sure, here you go. an exhaustive list!
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zoey's

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Reading up

beeboy > Datisi > Kanna > Klick > Ico > beeboy
votato > Tuxedo > Tweet > votato

ok im gonna reread later but im going to predict my townreads are maybe votato + Tuxedo, and the townleans are up in the air

How convenient

my scumpool is {ico, kanna, beeboy, datisi, klick}

do other people have similar lists? we can flip those switches and then still lynch. that takes all night killing power away from scum and gives us total control over who dies. if that doesnt solve the game we are in a lylo that we control. it requires a lot of cooperation though since we have to flip switches in the right order

hmmmmmm

Tinfoil = Tweet+votato coming in with a plan from the start.

Votato how will you convince everyone else to kill themse for this plan?

Also what happened to your scum read of my self vote.

it wasnt so much a scum read as it was a "i dont feel comfortable voting for you"

I'm missing the genesis on votato's Tuxedo townread to the point where he wants to take the game straight to LyLo on it


Tweet's 183 sure is a lot of words

Not going to lie that visual made me super nervous. Unless scum really misread how the three of us felt about each other.

I don't know. I got big town vibes from Morning, but this circle of friends where I'm the pocket seems way more likely to be scum crafted. Like both scum put themselves in the conga line of death, really?

Vibing with this
In general Tuxedo's posts on page 8 feel genuine. The Tux/beeboy interaction is nice for both of them

are you guys drook?

there's certainly a bit of wifom going on cause morning/tuxedo/votato are also my townreads. it seems convenient to be able to push them to the side, although atm that's still what i'm leaning towards.

lolwut
So at this point at least one town has to legitimately have MT/votato/Tux as their townreads.

Highly likely scum has the switch of another scum.
So I am kind of looking for people who are back to back as scum.

That's why I'm sus of the circle im in. It's weird.

It could be morning tweet and votato as scum I guess?
Wouldn't be impossible, I'd have to read up on how both like to play as scum.

Really liking beeboy. His progression on what's optimal play feels legit as well.

Tweet's play feels compartmentalised between scumhunting and theory discussion - there was some early scumhunting but she now seems particularly invested in finding the optimal plan and her reads don't seem to be on her mind much.

actually, the big brain strategy (remember partition, Morning?) should be one in the big group and one in the small group. it seems we're led to want to kill in the big group (ame and ico were semi-suspicious yesterday), and scum want us to choose the wrong order. scum can then have the best of both worlds because they will both be holding town switches.

I can see this. At least the bit where we're encouraged to kill in the big group. I can see scum aiming for a win condition of getting enough of the big group killed while protecting the small group. That works with 1-2 scum in the small group and 0-1 in the big group.

We should also be aware that if scum have reason to think they will be blown up by our discussion they're very likely to quick activate their switch. So we're basically losing one town guaranteed when we find our first scum.

I'm

really

bothered by the fact that this post assumes scum are both holding town's switches.

These are all good points and i agree so i'm back to wanting to kill my loop. +1 to Morning's question because I'm also not sure why Klick is townie. if i had to pick someone in the big loop to save apart from me, it'd be Datisi(?) but ideally, i'd like to see more from Datisi/Ico.

i don't really want beeboy/Klick to live. beeboy has a few posts promoting wifom which kinda rub me the wrong way + i recently played a terrible game of noughts and crosses and if he used that game as meta for me, i think he'd think i am an easy kill which would make me good to put next to his theoretical partner, Klick. this would also make his Ico push just now make sense. this is slightly tinfoil though.

I was going to say I really don't like this post but then you posted exactly why I don't like it at the very end lol. I've gotten the opposite impression from beeboy
Kanna feels like he doesn't care that much about what happens at the end of the day? Like he's jumped to being both fine with the small-circle plan and against it. Guess it implies that if Kanna is scum, he's scum with someone in the small circle?

Sorry, I really don't feel good betting the whole game that for some reason scum put themselves outside of the small group. I think I'd actually like Morning to blow up Votato. That's where I'm at. I feel we should just do scum hunting for the big group. Not try to game it, especially when the game was designed by our adversaries.

The things Tux says consistently make me happy at least. With a 5-3 split like this scum definitely went into this with a plan/intended way of town approaching this.

@votato:

Why do you actually townread Tweet?

tl;dr: beeboy is my only particularly confident townread. Tux reads town tonally but I'm super thrown by his 221 assuming both scum are holding onto town switches (considering that's not something that the town had discussed up to this point). I'd like other opinions on that. I'm skeptical of both Tweet and votato as of right now. Kanna sure exists. Ico and Datisi don't exist.

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Theory talk: I don't think the small-group LyLo plan works for us, unless there is specifically 1 scum in each group. This is because any game-wide plan is going to require scum cooperation. If there are 0 scum in the small group, the large group will have 2 scum and won't be agreeing to let themselves be eliminated. If there are 2 scum in the small group, it obviously doesn't work because a bunch of town die. So it only works out if it's 1-1, and even then we're not accomplishing much by going through with it.

Seems like there's a lot of pushback to eliminating group #1, to me! You're skeptical of me?

I believe that town holds both the switches to scum if both scum are in the large group. I don't think they could weasel their way out of the plan. Also, the small group LYLO still works if it's 1-1, and it works pretty well considering we can eliminate 2 out of the 4 remaining players in that LYLO

pedit: WOAH

[Morning Tweet]

For the record im not going to pull votato's switch before large group deaths happen without a really good reason. Tuxedo's opinion carries the most weight to me though I suppose. I am almost certain there's at least one scum in group #1 and i dont think it's Kanna or beeboy. That means I really don't trust Klick/Ame/Datisi so much

[Morning Tweet]

That means I really don't trust Klick/Ico/Datisi so much

thats what i meant

[Morning Tweet]

Kanna/Tux

That's the only group I am willing to gamble on and I am not open for compromise tbh.
Unless you can convince me these people aren't town.

Or I'll wait until we move to play mafia zzzzz

Disagreeeeeee Kanna is town.
Datisi wasn't looking too good.
Waiting for a replacement stalling the game further.

From the mafia POV I made the right play.

WHAT didnt you just say you'd bet the game on Kanna being town

[Morning Tweet]

₍ᐢ•ﻌ•ᐢ₎,

thats what you think a dog looks like morning?

hey!! that wasn't nice :C

it's vaguely dog-shaped. it achieved what i needed it to do which was not overexplain my Wake read -- earlier in the game Wake subtlely called me out for over-explaining myself

[Morning Tweet]

Why are you considering what is the best play from your mafia PoV? Actually... whatever i don't think it's suspicious

I think if Datisi flips red it's just Klick, to recap from my analysis post btw

PEDIT: YAY!

[Morning Tweet]

We can all agree Kanna is confirmed town from this, I assume? Please? Also like 90% beeboy.

[Morning Tweet]

What mafia needed to do there was not "I dont like the plan. Actually maybe i do. I don't know, let's wait on what Datisi/Ico have to say --

NVM BYE DATISI HAHA

-- Okay now. I'd like to bargain for my life"

everything about that sequence is absolutely insane for beeboy!scum

[Morning Tweet]

we could try to flawless it and activate klick first but also that's making it way more complicated

[Morning Tweet]

If we're gonna screw up the death chain we should have Kanna activate Klick because I think it's like 80% Klick and Kanna's gonna activate her switch eventually. The only problem that arises is if we think it's Ico, we screw up his switch

[Morning Tweet]

i don't want to have to kill the dragon, too.. (>﹏<)

(You guys are totally right, although i dont think it's ico, there's no compelling reason to believe it isn't)

[Morning Tweet]

i don't want to have to kill the dragon, too.. (>﹏<)

(You guys are totally right, although i dont think it's ico, there's no compelling reason to believe it isn't)

its ok you still have a unicorn with a magical horn and soft hair.

i need

at least

6 piggyback rides to compensate for this

..please? i dont mind that tuxedo got your coat got a little dirty

[Morning Tweet]

The dragon doesn't have to die!!!!! I still want rides from votato though!!!!!!!!

[Morning Tweet]

No!!! PLEASE

[Morning Tweet]

The dragon doesn't have to die!!!!! I still want rides from votato though!!!!!!!!

PM me postgame

Okay!

wait

i worded that unfortunately didn't i

[Morning Tweet]

Got it.

In order to spare the dragon, the unicorn must die.

you're not just scum

you are truly evil

[Morning Tweet]

The dragon doesn't have to die!!!!! I still want rides from votato though!!!!!!!!

PM me postgame

Okay!

wait

i worded that unfortunately didn't i

oops

(/ω＼*)

[Morning Tweet]

Got it.

In order to spare the dragon, the unicorn must die.

please don't make me choose!! i want them both!!!! they both have very comfortable backs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pedit:

STOP JUDGING MY EMOTICONS

[Morning Tweet]

Kannnaa saave us!!!!!!

Klick -- this post doesn't count as one of my two

How am I supposed to know you won't flip your own switch if I flipped mine?

PEDIT: YEASSSSSS

[Morning Tweet]

I DIDNT THINK YOU'D ACTUALLY MAKE IT BUT I WANTED TO STALL ANYWAY

[Morning Tweet]

kanna kanna kanna kanna kanna

<33 !!

[Morning Tweet]

The dragon doesn't have to die!!!!! I still want rides from votato though!!!!!!!!

Looking back-- NOT the wisest thing to say after scum outs themself. Probably should have thought that one through a little bit more

[Morning Tweet]

why is that morning?

klick surrendering didn't mean they couldn't still fire their gun. somehow that totally slipped my mind so that was a wildly premature celebration

bringing up riding you in the same post was also just a poor move all around considering whose switch i was holding

[Morning Tweet]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE DID IT. LET'S CELEBRATE WITH FIREWORKS!

ACTIVATE

NOOOOOOO WHYYYY
NOT MORNING

ACTIVATE

you will be avenged!!!

by the time hectic gets back we will all be dead. actually, this is really really bad if klick is town. too late now, i already hit submit.

visible and audible confusion

thank u, my horny unicorn-donkey. i think

[Morning Tweet]

HOW EVIL CAN YO UBE

[Morning Tweet]

I hope you are complimenting me on my horn there. It is majestic. I hope you aren't insinuating anything

it's lovely!!

Sorry, I'm awful. To be clear, I'm just scum lol
Couldn't resist the opportunity to troll votato a bit

I don't think I ever would have lived this down if you were town.

it would not have been your fault

but he would have killed me.

in cold blood!!

[Morning Tweet]

I enjoy this group too, but I feel bad that we lamed this one out. I think if I play it again I would just play day two as normal. Maybe it might be less optimal, but I think it would make a more fun experience.

I feel like this might have been somewhat of an anomaly. Scum accidentally placed three players who more or less trusted each other in a small group. Had we been more paranoid of each other that would've been a lot different

Also we more or less figured that Tuxedo/Morning/Votato/Kanna were town and correctly guessed how scum would place their members! We didn't do too bad although we gamed it decently yeah

Pedit: Yeah I think either doing that or at least like a giant circle would've been better. If they're gonna go for this route, making the groups equal would have been better as well i think: TSTS + TTTT

[Morning Tweet]

but he would have killed me.

in cold blood!!

I hammered you and we are friends. You were town then too!

i didn't mind too it too much! you didn't kill me at least-- you and four people just agreed that i needed to go to time-out as a stump more or less

[Morning Tweet]

aha! my townreads usually withstand the test of wifom!!

but he would have killed me.

in cold blood!!

I hammered you and we are friends. You were town then too!

i didn't mind too it too much! you didn't kill me at least-- you and four people just agreed that i needed to go to time-out as a stump more or less

A cute bat-stump

ahhh (/ω＼) stahppp

[Morning Tweet]

Had tuxedo/votato not obvtowned so hard i wouldn't have immediately assumed 2 scum in the large.

Although I still feel like you guys did do the best scum strategy possible had we stuck to just doing majority votes-- one scum holds the switch to the town holding the partner's switch

[Morning Tweet]

Feeling left out, Tuxedo Mask and votato also activate their switches. The bat zooms around the room, panicking, but... nothing happens. The switches seem to have been deactivated!

PHEW

thank you for modding Hectic! the flavour was excellent

what a great playerlist too! i like it when we take it a little less seriously-- maybe that was an extreme example but still

[Morning Tweet]

You guys chose the kill flavour?! That's awesome lol

[Morning Tweet]

Well I think it would of also been beneficial if one of the three circle buddies was known to be tinfoily/paranoid which none of them are. The whole point of making the circle was to introduce WIFOM to their strong townreads.

MT from my knowledge is pretty confident in terms of townreads.
Votato is votato is will go with what they believe regardless of how good it is (the votato standard, at times it's actually a strong middle finger to mafias plans).
Tuxedo is perhaps the most paranoid of the bunch, but you gotta actively fuel it more and more. Even then, tuxedo tends to stick to a plan.

Had somebody like me been in there who is realtively susceptible to chasing WIFOM it would of been perfect in my eyes.

i probably had like a 15% chance of activating my switch going into this game, and once i saw that it was votato it dropped to like 1% lol