Micro 946 mantis leadership (black pit) - Game Over

[Elbirn]

Elbrin: Elbirn?

Zulfiqar: Zulfaqar?

We meet at last.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Votato

[Elbirn]

I felt like it.

[Elbirn]

I felt like it.

Nice. I hope it was a pleasant feeling.

Any other thoughts on the thread so far?

I am going to put Zulfy in my pocket and keep him there. He will receive headpats and occasional snacks.

I do not vibe with your playstyle but you have some town points.

Uhhh that's about it so far

[Elbirn]

Maybe not your playstyle. Your way of speaking? You give tryhard vibes, but I don't want to discourage you

[Elbirn]

I'm honoured. I've always wanted to be seen as someone who tries hard to achieve their goals. Thank you.

Are you related or an alt of eyestott?

And do you think the tryharding is an alignment-indicative trait?

This is my only account, I philosophically disagree with alts, but that is a me-decision and not an indictment of people who like alts.

(At least you're not a hydra)

Tryharding isn't something I like to consider AI even though deep down i know that I townread it

[Elbirn]

i am a hydra

See? The system works!

[Elbirn]

Why the town points?

Tryharding isn't something I like to consider AI even though deep down i know that I townread it

[Elbirn]

Elbrin: Elbirn?

Zulfiqar: Zulfaqar?

We meet at last.

We've played before friend, years ago. I was scum and you were town and I used my charm to get u off my back. And then I think I got replaced? Or lynched? Or maybe I replaced in? It was a large normal and I detest large normals. And yeah that's my story.

Don't contradict your father

[Elbirn]

BTW

I townread you, in case you were wondering

Then what was the point of this post

VOTE: Superbowl9

[Elbirn]

Official Vote Count Accurate up to 182

Zulfy

(2): Non Compos Mentis, votato

Non Compos Mentis

(1): Gypyx

Elbrin

(1): Logicalicaltist

votato

(1): Zulfy

Not Voting

(4): Elbrin, superbowl9, Allomancer, inutile

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-18 04:31:51)

I am voting for superbowl

[Elbirn]

The bottom one definitely, its smooth and looks nicer on my tiny glowing rectangle

[Elbirn]

I really have nothing to add. I am being voted for zero reasons and I am voting for scum. Give me something to discuss, otherwise piss off

[Elbirn]

Cmon yall
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248

Like....this is the case. The scum that I am voting for wants you to think that the IC is also a one shot day cop. That doesn't work because I have a town role PM and no one makes a cop IC in a 9 player game, what else do you want to talk about?

[Elbirn]

Tbh i don't get the elbirn wagon too, he has been acting slightly scummy but that's all i'm seeing

Well, i don't understeand but let's trust the IC

VOTE: elbrin

Gypyx what are ur reads

My reads are order around something like that :



TOWN :

Gypyx
Logicalicaltist

superbowl9

zulfy

NULL :


Allomancer

inutile

Elbrin



SCUM :

votato
NCM

But as you can see, i'm not really following them

Oh rad I found the partner. GGEZ

[Elbirn]

Cmon yall
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248

Like....this is the case. The scum that I am voting for wants you to think that the IC is also a one shot day cop. That doesn't work because I have a town role PM and no one makes a cop IC in a 9 player game, what else do you want to talk about?

"I have a town role PM"
OH my bad you must be town then (/s because we need it here)

Allow me to spoonfeed you. From my point of view, I know for a fact that you're full of shit. If you're pushing town for bullshit reasons you're either scum or stupid. Which is it?

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin: Why are you so certain superbowl is scum?

In any case, I do think the Elbrin wagon feels a bit weak. Someone sell that to me.

"The elbirn wagon is weak gosh someone give me an excuse to vote it" fuck off, vote superbowl and get your weak shit out of here.

Read the below:

Spoiler: Superbowl Posts

I would love if you commented on the NCM thing, in fact I would love if everyone commented on that, but such is the game - you have to pick and choose where you push people. More info in day threads is better for town.

However I mostly just wanted to see what

you

wanted to highlight, instead of letting me pick out things for you to comment on. You said 123 as if you

should

have had more than "a measly question" after 3 pages. Thus you:

1. Saw that NCM knocked you and felt the need to justify yourself
2. Assumed NCM knocked you because you only brought up 1 item from the last 3 pages
3. Justified your action (only bringing up 1 thing) by stating that you'd have more substance once this reaction test shenanigan was figured out

What I thought after that was:
1. Why care so much about being slightly scumread by 1 player that you try to justify without even hearing the reasoning?
2. What's the other substance that's supposedly "on the way"?

When I tried to get my answer to question 2, you went from this:

yes yes i'm meant to comment on more than that from three pages but the answer is relevant to the rest of my thinking.

to

if there is something specific you'd like me to comment on or provide substance with regards to than ask away.

So my thoughts now are:
1. You've been quite defensive after fairly light prodding
2. If you truly had nothing else substantive to say about the game, then you've been posting fluff disguised as substance, as I accused you of
3. If you did have something to say, why not say it instead of 168 and 170?

BTW

I townread you, in case you were wondering

BTW

I townread you, in case you were wondering

Then what was the point of this post

Reasoning for my read, if you think hard enough I think you can figure it out

Cmon yall
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248

why is wagon for the sake of wagon good? what results did the brief votato L-1 yield?

There is a

very

good reason for the Elbrin wagon...
There's enough there already for you to figure it out

So let's recap 173 and 177. In what bizarro universe is 173 ever anything but a leadup to Superbowl having a scumread on Inutile? He accuses Inu of being defensive and fluffy, lines him up for questioning and pressure...And then deflates all of that pressure by calling him town. At that point nothing of substance can come from their back and forth, and indeed reading them talking is just *Prolonged fart noise* Oh but didn't you read 177???? It's OBVIOUS why he calls him town and if you would just THINK ABOUT IT you'd know what he's talking about. Yupyup. Totally obvious. Clear as mud. It's the same brand of crap he sells in 283 and 288, if you would just get on his level you would agree with him, gosh.

He isn't reading Inu in 173 because

he doesn't have to

. So he's posting fluff disguised as substance.
He isn't reading me in 288 because

he doesn't have to

. He follows the IC and claims the cool kids will all just get it.

He's a bullshitter and scum, he deserves rope, thanks for attending my TED talk.

[Elbirn]

I'm not a fan of NCM's overly logical style; it feels like it can be a way to produce lots of content without actually doing any scumhunting. If he did that it every game I would chalk it up to personal style, but since this is his first game on site I'm not sure if it is or not.

I don't like Zulfy's idea of "just picking a random town", but it feels like a townie thing to do.

P-edit: yes I do in fact.

Someone make the case on votato for me.

People who don't want to play are anti-town (although that includes you )

i do want to play. i just think the way we are going about it is silly. early day 1 sucks, but trying suuuuuppperrrr hard to read way too far into every minute detail doesnt help and makes it boring

This post feels towny, but I wonder if I'm just thinking that because it mirrors my own mentality.

if anything my lack of effort is town-indicative. being town is boring. day 1 sucks. at some point ill probably get engaged and get into it, but in the meantime ill stick to shitposting and commenting once in a while.

I agree with this. I don't see any reason to scumread votato for it.

@Elbrin: Why are you so certain superbowl is scum?

In any case, I do think the Elbrin wagon feels a bit weak. Someone sell that to me.

"I am wishy washy on everyone but they're townie unless not. Someone else do all the work for me"

I'm a scumhunting God I found the whole scumteam. Can we move it along now please?

[Elbirn]

You throw doubt on the Child.

If you want to come actually play the game instead of having diarrhea of the mouth all over the thread, I'd love that. Really, please, as the only person whomst I know for a fact to be on my team, you are more than welcome to step up your game and stop trolling the thread with nonsense.

Until such time that you decide to do so, you are a loud distraction who is pushing against me, the only other person that I know to be on my team, and with nothing of actual substance to be refuted I'm just going to put your ass on ignore until you get it together. Have a nice day.

[Elbirn]

You know, it really hurts us that we lose all the advantage of an IC because all they do is shitpost.

Yeah, and then it really sucks that the only other person to acknowledge it is scum. Its like I'm living in crazy town population:me

I miss Zulfy. Come back Zulfy.

[Elbirn]

You know, it really hurts us that we lose all the advantage of an IC because all they do is shitpost.

Yeah, and then it really sucks that the only other person to acknowledge it is scum. Its like I'm living in crazy town population:me

I miss Zulfy. Come back Zulfy.

Explain to me the difference between my read on you and your read on Allomancer.
Let’s look at facts.
I gave my analysis.
I gave my responses.
You don’t ask questions or care to understand what I say.
You saying Allomancer is scum but not doing anything to push that statement isn’t a good look.

Let me see.
Show me your progress on Allomancer compared to the one made on you.
Your purposely trying to throw things as nothing because if they become something you get in deep deep trouble.
Plus you call upon someone who I believe to be your partner in crime. (Zulfy)
So my suggestion is before you start saying inaccurate accusations you should look at yourself and realize that your no different. So instead of treating me as a child, how about you grow your man hair and talk to me about your questions, comments and concerns.

You will notice that I am only capable of voting for one person at a time, as are we all. When you find a way to vote for two scum at once you let me know! My focus stays on superbowl until then.

You have given no facts, analysis, or anything approaching an intelligent response. You bold letters in a post and declare them to be a message. This is not something that anyone can engage with. This isn't anything. And if you really believe that Zulfy is my scum partner and we're communicating in secret than why do I continue to openly engage/talk with him? I've made no inaccurate accusations, and I will stop treating you like a child when you..Stop being one, because you're clearly a teenager.

[Elbirn]

Other then the encryption, Elbirn is the bunny that took a free leap.
essentially he made an opportunist vote.
He took the easy way to a mislynch without actually trying.
It isn’t until I pressure him when he starts to pick up his game.

I will vote for whoever I want whenever I feel like it. Eat shit.

[Elbirn]

@elbrin

You made a case on Allo and haven't commented on it yes

Do you still support it? If yes you're invited to join the wagon

UNVOTE: Superbowl
VOTE: Allomancer

I was posting/catching up at the same time.
*inhales*
I still think superbowl is full of shit and people just love to clear on claims rather than acknowledge that all scum will claim a PR but hey lucky me if he is the doctor he'll get shot tonight and we won't have to worry about this either way I ain't playing with this kid anymore

[Elbirn]

I had some other catchup posts in waiting but they are now irrelevant, rope Allomancer, never at any point listen to a word that Logic says because contrary to what they say being IC does not make you town leader, nor does it make you necessarily correct. See you day 2

[Elbirn]

I guess I can see Elbirn in a state of "you gosh darn kids are mucking up the game with your bs" but what I don't get is why he went from seemingly not caring about the game enough to lurk to caring about it a whole bunch? Wouldn't you expect that kind of apathetic town to just say "ah well, if you idiots want to lynch me, it will cost you"? Obviously there would still be some argument, but to give such an impassioned rebuttal at L-1 really contrasts with the early apathy for me.

You can keep banging pots and pans and pushing a false narrative about how I was "lurking" two-three days into Day 1 and over a weekend, and I will continue to post when and how I wish. I will live up to my own standards of activity and I'm not here to impress you.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Allomancer

This was hammer actually

Say your peace before nightnight everyone

[Elbirn]

Either that or allo gave zero fucks and logged out after prodging

[Elbirn]

We have a doctor and an IC and the scum shoots inutile? Bullshit

VOTE: Superbowl

[Elbirn]

We have a doctor and an IC and the scum shoots inutile? Bullshit

VOTE: Superbowl

I’ll admit it was a rather intriguing shot.
But that doesn’t explain why you visited them last night.

If you're claiming watcher youd have seen someone else go to inutile
If you're claiming tracker you're lying

[Elbirn]

There's two possibilities: either scum is WIFOMing and killed elsewhere for my lynch today, or I'm scum and fakeclaimed doc.

Now that inutile is dead (thank you scum!!), I can say that I thought she was a PR (oops, call me stupid) ((scum might have picked up on this hence the night target)). What's been the ENTIRE case against me? My inutile read!! If someone can levy a case against me that doesn't involve inutile, I'd love to hear it .

Why didnt you protect Inutile last night then?

[Elbirn]

Never even understood the case against me for the inutile interaction either (just didn't want to bring it up):

So scum super is grilling his scumbuddy for a "fake" distancing interaction, then throws her into the townread column. Really? Why wouldn't I just craft some bs argument to make it look like her response convinced me? Or just keep her in the scumread column, and keep it open as a bus if necessary? Why needlessly attract attention? Just think about it for two seconds - if you were scum, would you do this? It makes no sense!! You can't just look at an action that you don't understand and say "whelp must be scum".

How brave of you to make this post after that slot flipped town

But also my gripe was never a belief that you were paired, it was simply a bad post/progression and when people dont make sense THATS where I see scum.

Incidentally I forget inutile was the player you were even talking to in that post

[Elbirn]

There's two possibilities: either scum is WIFOMing and killed elsewhere for my lynch today, or I'm scum and fakeclaimed doc.

Now that inutile is dead (thank you scum!!), I can say that I thought she was a PR (oops, call me stupid) ((scum might have picked up on this hence the night target)). What's been the ENTIRE case against me? My inutile read!! If someone can levy a case against me that doesn't involve inutile, I'd love to hear it .

Why didnt you protect Inutile last night then?

I protected the IC, because you don't try to screw around and metagame when you have a PR, you protect your biggest townread. If there's an IC I believe doc should ALWAYS protect them unless another PR claims without CC

The fact that this is your train of thought is very interesting though

I just want to hear what you have to say m8. Protected the IC, fine. What's so interesting about my having this question?

[Elbirn]

It means you're someone who would think about trying to metagame the night phase, which is what scum just did.

......Ah, of course, I am scum who saw into the future and knew that you would state a belief in inutile being a power role and therefore I should shoot inutile and blame you for not protecting him.

I Have Been Vanquished

[Elbirn]

A scumteam that doesnt just shoot doctors is no scumteam at all

[Elbirn]

Or radical third option: you're scum fake claiming doctor, and your only path forward is to push the idea that scum is employing WIFOM.


UNVOTE:
I need to evaluate...uh....everything

[Elbirn]

It sure sounds like somebody's already thought through this whole scenario.




: )

[Elbirn]

I just want to hear what you have to say m8. Protected the IC, fine. What's so interesting about my having this question?

The fact you actually considered the dead man to be Town.
Let me ask you this.
Was the dead man your highest Town read day 1?

I didn't, and no he was not.

But if I take superbowl at his word that he is town-doctor and he thinks inutile is a power role, if I'm in his position I consider protecting that PR over the IC. Its a valid question.

[Elbirn]

It sure sounds like somebody's already thought through this whole scenario.




: )

Yeah and his name is Elbirn.
AKA that shady man in the back wearing the black top hat.

Superbowl: *goes on at length about every permutation of WIFOM that could be deployed today, evidently having thought about it for some time*

Logicalicaltist: "Elbirn is the one going on and on about WIFOM I bet hes scum"


I
Live
In
Crazy-Town

The population? Me.

[Elbirn]

Mhm no when you say shit like that you're absolutely calling me stupid, and you can knock it the fuck off right now.

Since you've evidently missed my point and my smug little smiley there, I am implying that this has all been your plan since you fake claimed doctor yesterday, scumshit. I know what wifom is. I also know smug scum deploying a gambit when I see it.

[Elbirn]

TIME TO BE A WILD ANIMAL

VOTE: Votato

His first vote here was opportunistic.
He voted this as an easy mislynch option and when he couldn’t he went with Super Bowl and when all else fails he voted the person he decided to call his top scum.
Instead of apologizing of being wrong Day 2. He pushed Super Bowl instead.

Other then the encryption, Elbirn is the bunny that took a free leap.
essentially he made an opportunist vote.
He took the easy way to a mislynch without actually trying.
It isn’t until I pressure him when he starts to pick up his game.

I will vote for whoever I want whenever I feel like it. Eat shit.

His response is the spoiled rich kid response of ill do whatever I want and get away with it!

Dude I'm not going to apologize for voting for votato. I'll fucking do it again.

VOTE: Votato

Wow so scum
How does this make you feel you wild animal you?

I added a vote to an early wagon because that's what you do. That isnt an "easy mislynch option" its playing the fucking game. No wagon that early goes to lynch

Either that or allo gave zero fucks and logged out after prodging

Not to mention he felt a need to mention this.

Mhm and what is AI here?

Have you ever played mafia before? Is this your first time?

[Elbirn]

I'm alive and I have read all the posts and I dont think i have anything to add

[Elbirn]

Actually

How many PRs do yall think would be in a game this size?

[Elbirn]

Also out of curiosity: how many people would be down for a Zulfy wagon?

Me.
Elbirn won’t though.

Nah. You've gotten me trapped into this thing where nothing I do will matter to you; even if I thought zulfy was scum and voted for him you'd jerk off vigorously to the tune of "hurrrr they're distancing now hurrrr"

What I will do though:

UNVOTE:

Fight amongst yourselves

[Elbirn]

Ouch. I know that feel Elb. Hope it gets better.

Also confirmed something a bit ago, but luckily I kinda solved the issue.

Super, did you get something last night or nah? My slot tried to send you something, and if you got it I'll know your town.

..... *cough, hemhem, clears throat*
Are you certain you sent something to super? And not someone else?

[Elbirn]

Votato, did YOU get my item?

I think Elbirn was hinting that he did.

I mean I was trying to see if someone would try and claim it thinking since it's loyal and if they didn't get it it'd be sus but Elbirn revealed it too early.

Sigh.

But yeah this is fun.

Yeah I literally did not understand what you were doing and my immediate thought was some role redirector thing fucked with you. Cool.

[Elbirn]

Hm. Is ascetic +townev or -townev?

[Elbirn]

Nvm I know the answer

VOTE: gypyx

Get his ass

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Hang on I need something to be absolutely clear, because I think I've missed this detail

Bambi: you're a loyal fruit vendor? Or that was part of your gambit?

[Elbirn]

Yeah gypyx is town

There are too many PR's

Much to ponder

[Elbirn]

Hmmm, just thought about something, @superbowl / @votato

What do you think are the odds of Bambi / Elbrin being the scumteam who tries to make a play?

Sorry Gypyx but the actual answer is that I interrupted the bambi/super bowl teams gambit

[Elbirn]

I think there's decent odds of you being scum fruit vendor





Sorry

[Elbirn]

Alternatively: if you're actually town, superbowl is scum and we need to get his ass

[Elbirn]

Before I take my leave, just a reminder.
My role confirms the existence of a Doctor or the Host is a Troll.

If you're macho you need to just claim it so superbowl, if telling the truth, can doctor other players. Plez.

[Elbirn]

now that everyone has claimed i buy that super is town. a doc does fit in this setup imo. i will never understand the night kill, but so much the better for town.

I have made a point of not claiming.

[Elbirn]

you should claim at this point. everyone should fullclaim. scum has all the info they need, theres nothing to hide now.

Nope. Scum doesn't know my role. They don't know if I'm a PR or if I'm being cagey to draw the kill.

You on the other hand are a role fishing doodoohead

[Elbirn]

VOTE: bambi Jay

[Elbirn]

I said what I said

[Elbirn]

I said what I

said

Places a Vote.
Claims they “said” something.

Spoiler:

vote
/vōt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a formal indication of a choice between two or more candidates or courses of action, expressed typically through a ballot or a show of hands or by voice.

said
/sed/
verb
past and past participle of say.
adjective
used in legal language or humorously to refer to someone or something already mentioned or named.
"acting in pursuance of the said agreement"

Lol.

You must be fun at parties.

[Elbirn]

I'm the tracker. Means theres too much investigative power. Bambi is scum fruit vendor, partnered with zulfy. Logical is softing macho. Superbowl needs to doctor me.

I wish I were vig so I could shoot logical.

I think that about covers it, gg.

[Elbirn]

Why do you see Zulfy and not someone else as the partner?

I'm talking out of my ass

It works sometimes!

[Elbirn]

@mod i'm asking for replacement, sorry everyone

(Replace if you don't hear back from me in one day)

Hang on lemme just put my head through a fucking wall

[Elbirn]

I'm the tracker. Means theres too much investigative power. Bambi is scum fruit vendor, partnered with zulfy. Logical is softing macho. Superbowl needs to doctor me.

I wish I were vig so I could shoot logical.

I think that about covers it, gg.

... So your saying you saw me visit you and give you the fruit, yet you think I'm the scum here?

How does fruit vendor scum make sense at all? If the PR of scum is a fruit vendor, then how the heck does it make sense to give the innocent child a macho modifier?

The thing that's makes more sense to me is scum is either informed there's no doctor so they can claim it, or the ascetic is scum unable to be tracked. The fruit vendor? Like what the fuck?

No, I didnt track you. I tracked inutile, I thought a low activity nully slot would do the kill.

I received your fruit. This confirms your role but not your alignment. Scum fruit vendors are a thing.

My point is that with logical IC, me tracker, you loyal fruit vendor: we start the game with a conf town, a player who can get guilties, and a player who can give us more conftown. That just does not work. Take me out of the equation, even: if scum doesnt shoot conftown every day they just fucking lose. If you don't claim the game is practically auto. Meanwhile you narrow down potential tracker targets and it's only a matter of time before I hit both scum.

If you and I are both town this game setup is actual trash. I have more faith in our mod than that

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Unless the ascetic is scum, hard-countering both of us

I dont know dude

[Elbirn]

I thought about it, and I reasoned that if I'm wrong about you then I wasted a night following the doctor instead of finding scum. I dont want an inno, i want a guilty. Eliminating you from my list of people potentially doing the kill just makes things easier for me.

[Elbirn]

Also like....imagine you're actually doctor, you doc the IC, and scum shoots said IC with a strongman or logic is macho or something. now I have a false positive. That sucks.

[Elbirn]

Neato

Now to parse the wifom

[Elbirn]

Just kidding you were right: I was scum the whole time.

Bud-E: Best of luck!

Wait am I Bud-E? Delightful!

[Elbirn]

If I say who I'm tracking it's pointless

I will merely do my best

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Zulfy

Maybe bambi doesn't count
Kill zulfy harder

[Elbirn]

What does that even

mean

[Elbirn]

I cant wait for like zulfy to be vengeful scum, I get killed instead of bambi, and then we have to reroll

[Elbirn]

Is it too late to like Crimewave by Crystal Castles?

I'm told that you cant do that because the guy is a bad person for doing something I don't remember

But must we throw away art that is made by monsters, or does art belong to the people once it is created?

Idk man just do what you want

[Elbirn]

Scum has surrendered. Congratulations town!

Shame but executing gypyx slot was the play today yeh

[Elbirn]

Sorry I tunnelled you a bit there Elbirn.

I'm sorry for being so frustrated with you I just didn't understand

[Elbirn]

Killing gypyx: Well he wasn't my partner tho lol

thankyou for the kind words.

Yw sorry for killing u. I shoulda killed Elbirn.

Idk why you didn't kill doc claim, like yeah strongman but if you get ded then you're in some shit