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Stream of consciousnessIn post 120, Non Compos Mentis wrote:What does SOC mean, superbowl9?-
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Why the town points?In post 130, Elbirn wrote: I do not vibe with your playstyle but you have some town points.
Votato, what do you think of NCM?
Also are we just gonna not mention that NCM FOSes Zulfy for 20 because he doesn't get "jokes", and Gypyx just sits back for 3 posts to let it happen, despite clarifying that 20 is (obviously) not a joke??? Even responding to NCM but not addressing this?
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Not what I meant by SOC, if you say most of what's on your mind or "think out loud" in the thread that's SOC. What you're talking about I would say would be impulsive behavior.In post 143, Zulfy wrote: Nooo: I've put Thought into the things I've posted.
Stream of consciousness woulda meant voting for votato as soon as I said I wanted to. And then prolly unvoted.
Also inutile are you planning on posting substance anytime soon? Your posts have been fluffy so far
pedit: Also not quite sure about 145, if it was a reaction test then wouldn't it be to find ppl who wanted an "excuse" to come into the thread late?
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GotchaIn post 158, Elbirn wrote:In post 137, superbowl9 wrote: Why the town points?In post 134, Elbirn wrote: Tryharding isn't something I like to consider AI even though deep down i know that I townread it-
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In post 154, superbowl9 wrote:Also inutile are you planning on posting substance anytime soon? Your posts have been fluffy so far-
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You say this.... I'm still waiting for "the rest", wondering if it's coming anytime soon or if you're going to analyze this reaction test for the rest of the dayIn post 123, inutile wrote:
yes yes i'm meant to comment on more than that from three pages but the answer is relevant to the rest of my thinking.In post 121, Non Compos Mentis wrote:inutile - 48-
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That's what I was looking for
/s on the rest of the day thing lol
In post 170, inutile wrote:what do you think from those pages should be commented on?
If you thought 3 pages of material warrants a comment, why wouldn't 7?In post 123, inutile wrote:i'm meant to comment on more than that from three pages-
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I would love if you commented on the NCM thing, in fact I would love if everyone commented on that, but such is the game - you have to pick and choose where you push people. More info in day threads is better for town.
However I mostly just wanted to see whatyouwanted to highlight, instead of letting me pick out things for you to comment on. You said 123 as if youshouldhave had more than "a measly question" after 3 pages. Thus you:
1. Saw that NCM knocked you and felt the need to justify yourself
2. Assumed NCM knocked you because you only brought up 1 item from the last 3 pages
3. Justified your action (only bringing up 1 thing) by stating that you'd have more substance once this reaction test shenanigan was figured out
What I thought after that was:
1. Why care so much about being slightly scumread by 1 player that you try to justify without even hearing the reasoning?
2. What's the other substance that's supposedly "on the way"?
When I tried to get my answer to question 2, you went from this:
toIn post 123, inutile wrote: yes yes i'm meant to comment on more than that from three pages but the answer is relevant to the rest of my thinking.
So my thoughts now are:In post 168, inutile wrote:if there is something specific you'd like me to comment on or provide substance with regards to than ask away.
1. You've been quite defensive after fairly light prodding
2. If you truly had nothing else substantive to say about the game, then you've been posting fluff disguised as substance, as I accused you of
3. If you did have something to say, why not say it instead of 168 and 170?
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Reasoning for my read, if you think hard enough I think you can figure it out
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All good, but if I FOS someone based on a misunderstanding of what you said, wouldn't you want to clear that up? I wouldIn post 178, inutile wrote: my main comment would be that i wouldn't have any expectation for gypyx to comment on non compos mentis cognitive load statement without further prompting. seems like a weird expectation for you to have. not something i can draw any conclusion from however.
That answers my question - so in 7 pages all the substance you saw hinged on that one reaction test that didn't actually happen. Hence why I said your posts felt fluffyIn post 178, inutile wrote: i assumed the reasoning due to the aforementioned potential familiarity and the context of non compos mentis post. the other substance was my reasoning for asking that and my reads of the situation, which i did not want to present at that time due to them hinging on the answer to the question.
Makes senseIn post 178, inutile wrote: my responses in 168 and 170 were attempts to gauge whether you were interested in sorting or simply pushing.-
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>Need more shitpostsIn post 180, votato wrote:ugh what a dull thread. no shitposts. the content is wayyyy too serious about details that probably dont matter. this game is starting to feel like its gonna be a real slog.
>Need to comment on details that matter
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Isn't this just pre-wagon Day 1In post 198, votato wrote:how is it that in 8 pages of super serious posting we have discovered nothing about anything?
Let's start one!
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True, ill hop on this oneIn post 209, Gypyx wrote:Well, NonGooble looks to be V/LA currently, so i'd like to get another wagon going, as this one will take some time to actually get resultats from the main target
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As in join your wagon? Because I'm downIn post 223, Logicalicaltist wrote:Would like someone to do a switcheroo, not hard to do.
When your about to shoot a cop in the head and realize the gangsters a better choice so you Shoot him before you mess up.
The new pic isFRESHNCM
So does this change your gypyx read?In post 227, Non Compos Mentis wrote:You're right. I initially thought Zulfy was talking about 21 because I clicked on 20 on mobile and it looked like I was redirected to 21. Once I realised the error I dropped the issue.
Alsocannotbelieve we're still talking about zulfy's townread strat - is it just me or has this been explained/over analyzed like 3 times???
GoodIn post 237, Non Compos Mentis wrote:try as hard as I might (and I really did try), I don't see how you come to the conclusion of townreading inutile at the end of 173.
Hard agree - If scumtato pulled up in the post game thread and said "Wow can't believe complaining got me that win muahaha" I would never live it downIn post 239, Non Compos Mentis wrote:Scum!votato on the other hand can fake annoyance at the thread being dull - which may be a result of if he's scum and is struggling to get into the game due to the lengthy discussions.
We have someone at L-1, not sure how much more moving you want hereIn post 246, Gypyx wrote:Also, we almost have half day 1 passed by, would be good if we were to get a move on-
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Deflecting from logical's wagon anymore will confirm you as scumIn post 251, votato wrote:
LAMIST. this vote goes beyond that one post. gyp just feels kinda off. can elaborate more as needed.In post 246, Gypyx wrote:Also, we almost have half day 1 passed by, would be good if we were to get a move on
VOTE: gypyx
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“Simply because he is IC”In post 253, votato wrote:
sheeping logical simply because he is IC anymore will confirm you as scum.In post 252, superbowl9 wrote:
Deflecting from logical's wagon anymore will confirm you as scumIn post 251, votato wrote:
LAMIST. this vote goes beyond that one post. gyp just feels kinda off. can elaborate more as needed.In post 246, Gypyx wrote:Also, we almost have half day 1 passed by, would be good if we were to get a move on
VOTE: gypyx
also, gobbles is town here. that was a good vote on me. i will up the shitposting for your sake senpai.
Have you read his posts????
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^This is the scummiest town play I've ever seen LOLIn post 263, Gypyx wrote:
True but at the moment, i felt like the votato wagon wasn't going to pick up the pace, so i just tried something elseIn post 261, Zulfy wrote:
what qualifies as going somewhere?In post 236, Gypyx wrote:it was pretty clear my vote votato wasn't going anywhere at the moment
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True and it's good that you're trying stuff, but think about it: scum doesn't care which of the town they lynch. Thus switching your vote behind whichever wagon seems to have the most momentum at the time is something scum might do.In post 269, Gypyx wrote:
Idk i'm trying out stuff man, why do you consider it a town play then?In post 268, superbowl9 wrote:
^This is the scummiest town play I've ever seen LOLIn post 263, Gypyx wrote:
True but at the moment, i felt like the votato wagon wasn't going to pick up the pace, so i just tried something elseIn post 261, Zulfy wrote:
what qualifies as going somewhere?In post 236, Gypyx wrote:it was pretty clear my vote votato wasn't going anywhere at the moment
Votato's at L1 right now no?
It's a town play because I believe you're town, by both light POE and because your reasonings have been quite far off the mark for a few of your interactions, I don't think scum would disguise their scum actions this little-
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Great, let's kill your partner and get to D2In post 270, votato wrote:if anything my lack of effort is town-indicative. being town is boring. day 1 sucks. at some point ill probably get engaged and get into it, but in the meantime ill stick to shitposting and commenting once in a while.-
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This is strategy so take it with a grain of salt, but mafia is a game of information. You get to choose what information/thought processes you make public, so only put out the ones that benefit you most. If you write out something as town and you're like "on second thought that seems scummy" don't post it! After all if town is scumhunting you then you're wasting town's time. Thus it can be good to bring a little bit of the "scum filter" into town games as well.-
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There is aIn post 284, inutile wrote:why is wagon for the sake of wagon good? what results did the brief votato L-1 yield?verygood reason for the Elbrin wagon...
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If you dont see it at this point idk if you’ve been reading the thread...In post 304, Gypyx wrote:Tbh i don't get the elbirn wagon too, he has been acting slightly scummy but that's all i'm seeing-
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Even if this is the case, does this mean you townread Elbirn???In post 308, Zulfy wrote:
yesIn post 299, superbowl9 wrote:You think your scumhunting has a better probability of success LMAO???-
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"I have a town role PM"In post 319, Elbirn wrote:Like....this is the case. The scum that I am voting for wants you to think that the IC is also a one shot day cop. That doesn't work because I have a town role PM and no one makes a cop IC in a 9 player game, what else do you want to talk about?
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Glad you're a pro scumhunter now that we're at L-1 Elbirn!
(Also I like the new profile pic)
I explain all my reads, unless I don't think it's to the benefit of town to do so
LMAO at using myIn post 326, Allomancer wrote:Okay, so after you pointed that out, I decided to look at superbowl's meta. I was curious if they usually don't explain their reads. They haven't played in a game in a while, but in their most recent towngame, I found this:4 year oldmeta
Also find it very humorous that those who wanted more shitposts and "interesting" things happening now losing their minds because they got what they asked for.-
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To anyone on the fence about this Elbirn wagon: just look at that reaction to pressure. I mean his ISO is basically a scum checklist.
Acts apathetic and lurks when possible? ✔
Targets one townie to take the heat of themselves? ✔
Overreaction to being wagoned? ✔
Generic "I'm town" claim? ✔
Yes, I'll admit that logical boomed me with 221. Call me stupid, if that makes you happy
Your response to this pressure, though, still makes you our best lynch option for today imo.
I can see it now: bUt SuPeRbOwL, inutile responded the SAME WAY to pressure and you townread her!!! DAE think superbowl scum for this
The way I play is when I see someone acting in a way that I think is suspicious, I don't immediately assume they're scum. Thinking about the intent behind their words, their emotions, and trying to come up with a reason that they would be acting in such a way has been a more effective strategy for me.
For example, Zulfy. If I wanted to build a case against Zulfy, I certainly could. I could say
"well Zulf's strat to select a townie from the start is clearly a scum strat, after all you could simply choose your scumbuddy as the "townie" each time you roll scum!"
"Zulfy's refusal to vote votato was clearly scummy, just trying to hide from any type of commitment early in the game!!"
Although some of you might be convinced by such a case, I don't buy that Zulfy would employ this strat as scum - it seems too on the nose. Think about it - if you were scum, would you use this? When Zulfy says "It would be like opening a can of worms I don't want to get into" in 52, it reads so casually. If I put myself in the shoes of town Zulfy and scum Zulfy, it's obvious to me that town Zulfy is much more likely to say this. It's not so much about actions themselves as the intent behind them, at least for me.
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If you didn't get what I was on about in 341, this mentality is it right here.In post 339, votato wrote:if you werent IC id be voting you right now for sure.
Actually agree with thisIn post 344, votato wrote:i dont see why you wouldnt just come out and tell us the info you have and how you got it-
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180 isn't genuineIn post 355, Zulfy wrote:
that's because it wasn't genuine clearlyIn post 340, superbowl9 wrote:Also find it very humorous that those who wanted more shitposts and "interesting" things happening now losing their minds because they got what they asked for.-
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Yes, it was because of that that I first voted/encouraged the wagon. Then Elbirn reacted not well (notice how most of my scumread evidence comes after L-1), then based on the reaction Elbirn is still my highest scumread, so my vote stays. So yeah you could point and say I wagoned based on "manufactured pressure", but it was from the IC claim so don't see how that's a "lie"In post 358, Zulfy wrote:In post 341, superbowl9 wrote:The way I play is when I see someone acting in a way that I think is suspicious, I don't immediately assume they're scum. Thinking about the intent behind their words, their emotions, and trying to come up with a reason that they would be acting in such a way has been a more effective strategy for me.
Well this is a lie tho: You said urself it's cuz Logical said he's 1-shot X.In post 341, superbowl9 wrote:I see a frustrated scum behind Elbirn's posts. I don't see that for inutile.
And if what you said was true then: I think you'd easily see how Elbirn can be frustrated when he gets at L1.
I can see why someone would get frustrated at L-1, but do I see this as an "oh my god please don't lynch me you all suck because im so obviously town" or "oh my god im scum and this stupid wagon came out of nowhere, if I act pissed enough maybe they'll take me more seriously"-
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Elbrin was definitely in my scum pool before the Logic thing, but mostly because of the lurking - I would say he was a 49 in your terms. Then I saw Logic's claim and thought they just couldn't come out about it for some reason (after all why would the IC lie? Saying "I might have a 1 shot" then cryptically saying "we're lynching the wrong target, this person is scum" with no other reasoning lends itself to that conclusion, wouldn't you say?).In post 373, Non Compos Mentis wrote:superbowl, were you scumread Elbirn at all when you sheeped Logic for the 1-shot cop thing? Why did you assume Logic would weirdly crumb it like that, and not just claim a guilty? Additionally, if you wanted to push Elbirn without explaining why (and possibly outing Logic as a PR), why would you make 283? Doesn't that make it obvious?
If Logical had said nope I'm just scumreading Elbrin and wanted you to join my wagon, I would've been off it. But before happened, Elbrin reacted imo terribly to being wagoned, so I now scumread him.-
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Nothing, that's what I'm curious to find out. That's why I agreed with votato, idk why you would hide behind codes and such with important info. I assumed there must be some reason because otherwise you would just come out with it, but based on 337 and 338 I believe that there is now seemingly no reason, which is why I'm confusedIn post 372, inutile wrote:in that case could you please tell us what you have learned from decrypting logicalicaltist's posts?-
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My thinking was that IC must have some reason to obscure the information, because if not then they would just come out with it! And why would they obscure it for no reason? What advantage would that provide? Since people were not hopping on the wagon as I figured they would, I tried to get them to do so while revealing as little as possible - you can always reveal more about claims/prs if need be, but you can never take back public information.-
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I didn’t see 221 as a gimmick, did you? And admittedly no, I can’t, but 1. Does that mean that such a scenario is impossible? 2. I figured why question it when IC has no reason to mislead town?In post 388, Non Compos Mentis wrote:
Logic is an obvious gimmick poster though, that's the biggest reason he'd "obscure it for no reason". Can you think of any scenarios/situations where Logic would have mechanical information that Elbirn is scum but want to obscure the information?In post 379, superbowl9 wrote:My thinking was that IC must have some reason to obscure the information, because if not then they would just come out with it! And why would they obscure it for no reason? What advantage would that provide? Since people were not hopping on the wagon as I figured they would, I tried to get them to do so while revealing as little as possible - you can always reveal more about claims/prs if need be, but you can never take back public information.-
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Yes im in our scum daychat right now deciding who to expose firstIn post 392, votato wrote:
like who your scumbuddies are? im willing to hammer i think, but im definitely not willing to hammer before hearing from logicIn post 391, superbowl9 wrote:Lmk if you intend to hammer please, I have some last words to get out-
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It's sad how right you wereIn post 405, Logicalicaltist wrote:
Sometimes it’s not such a bad idea to listen to your IC huh?In post 402, superbowl9 wrote:Going to bed, I'm doc
If you want to hammer me go for it - last thing I wanted to say was that im almost certain there's scum in the first 3 on my wagon, after you realize your terrible mistake start your scumhunting there pls! Otherwise I will wag my finger at you from the dead thread
Now mafia knows who to attack to get to me.
Although now that there is a known doc and IC, is it really so hard to imagine a scum PR for balance? Even more town PRs?
Either way, I will be dead by tomorrow, so while I still can I'll put as much out there as I can.
Can we not let Allomancer continue to lurk for another day? 9 posts with almost no content is not enough. Notice who was first on the wagon....
Elbrin would be in the same situation if not for his 8 post OMGUS rant for being wagoned, which successfully started a counter-wagon. There's GOT to be scum on there somewhere early.
If I were scum Zulfy I'd wait another 1 or 2 votes to hop on my wagon. I don't see him as scum right now. Votato feels like scumbait to me though, which is causing me to doubt this a bit.
NCM is also still scummy to me, everything seems sort of faked from them, not to mention biting on 2 scumbait wagons (bUt SuPeRbOwL, you were on the votato wagon!! I didn't want to actually lynch yet, just wanted to get the game moving a bit - then Elbrin's thing happened)
So in recap:
Elbrin probably scum
Allomancer is big lurking so anti-town
Zulfy town ATM
NCM scummy
Gypyx VI (no offense i like you T.T)
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We still have some time, but how will voting three separate people help us here? Especially if you're not going to try to convince others to join. Zulf, votato, and gypyx. If youreallywant to lynch one of your votes today, try convincing people? See who else has scumreads on them, lobby for a wagon? Or we can lynch Elbirn, still think we have likely scum there. What I don't want to happen is for us to keep leisurely voting whoever and then we quicklynch someone non-ideal at the end of the day. That being said, I am down for an allomancer wagon.
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