Micro 946 mantis leadership (black pit) - Game Over

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My favorite joke about mafia is how you get to go around and kill people whenever you want. Hilarious, and also very fun.
VOTE: mentis

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Yep i breadcrumbed being mafia. Fos on you for trying to put my crumbs, i feel like town wants to leave crumbs unexamined to protect prs

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i'm breadcrumbing combined vigilante doctor don't mind me

but you can only target one person, so you both kill and then save them, right?

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inutile, are you trying to uncover my secret identity for the whole world to see? I am slighted by your lack of concern for my privacy.

you know what you did

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btw zulfy you said you'd vote for me. wheres the vote?

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and yet you still arent voting me.... hm....

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so effective that you stopped?

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Votato: Can't bring myself to vote you anymore. It's simply not happening

why?

VOTE: zulfy

this is a normal game, which means no third parties like jesters, right?

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is anyone understanding what zulfy is doing here?

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zulfy, you identified 4 people as town, leaving a pool of 5 to lynch within. and you still havent stated a read on me. this didnt really clarify anything.

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thanks!

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ive never played with zulfy before, unless it was on an alt.

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that seems like an awful plan zulfy

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i am a hydra

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ugh what a dull thread. no shitposts. the content is wayyyy too serious about details that probably dont matter. this game is starting to feel like its gonna be a real slog.

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i'm breadcrumbing combined vigilante doctor don't mind me

but you can only target one person, so you both kill and then save them, right?

I don't like the fact that Votato answers kinda seriously to this post, it was obviously not my real role, but he still takes it seriously so either he really lacks understeanding of irony (in the case of him taking the joke seriously)
or he wants to make a serious discussion on something that he knows hold no value (in the case of him understeanding the joke)

zulfy, you identified 4 people as town, leaving a pool of 5 to lynch within. and you still havent stated a read on me. this didnt really clarify anything.

he really wants to be read by Zulfy, I think scum are more likely to care about how other players perceive them

VOTE: votato

uh I'm very deadpan, but that clearly wasn't serious. And if zulfy said the same things about anyone else I'd press for clarification. It wasn't that zulfy was taking about me. It was that zulfy kept mentioning me without any explanation or actual analysis

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how is it that in 8 pages of super serious posting we have discovered nothing about anything?

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if NCM goes largely AFK here for a few days then NCM is an alt of gobbles.

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i know but im prodging because the game is boring atm.

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People who don't want to play are anti-town (although that includes you )

i do want to play. i just think the way we are going about it is silly. early day 1 sucks, but trying suuuuuppperrrr hard to read way too far into every minute detail doesnt help and makes it boring

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Also, we almost have half day 1 passed by, would be good if we were to get a move on

LAMIST. this vote goes beyond that one post. gyp just feels kinda off. can elaborate more as needed.

VOTE: gypyx

also, gobbles is town here. that was a good vote on me. i will up the shitposting for your sake senpai.

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Also, we almost have half day 1 passed by, would be good if we were to get a move on

LAMIST. this vote goes beyond that one post. gyp just feels kinda off. can elaborate more as needed.

VOTE: gypyx

also, gobbles is town here. that was a good vote on me. i will up the shitposting for your sake senpai.

Deflecting from logical's wagon anymore will confirm you as scum

sheeping logical simply because he is IC anymore will confirm you as scum.

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if anything my lack of effort is town-indicative. being town is boring. day 1 sucks. at some point ill probably get engaged and get into it, but in the meantime ill stick to shitposting and commenting once in a while.

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if we get to the end of day 1 and dont have a clear wagon and i still havent said anything, then maybe we compromise on me? but if so i'll be a shitty lynch because i wont give any info. at some point there'll be something thatll probaby get me interested in the game. voting for me for not having solid reads isnt gonna magically make reads appear. and most people dont have solid reads, as its page 12. and the people that are do are almost certainly wrong or scum. see the thing about it being page 12. i think im entitled to find the first few pages of day 1 to be boring. lets move on, yes?

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allo's defense seems strange to me... i dont feel like there was that much pressure on me. i do feel like the pressure on me is very silly and i suspect there was scum somewhere on that wagon.

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zulfy or superbowl? who blinked first?

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VOTE: elbrin

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this is a normal game. post restrictions are not a normal role. logical, why do you keep going to this decryption gimmick? i have kind of a hard time buying that you have a daycop ability and used it this early in day 1, and if you did i find it unlikely that you hit scum. why even target elbirin? if you werent IC id be voting you right now for sure. can you stop dicking around and explain what the hell you're talking about?

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this is a normal game. post restrictions are not a normal role. logical, why do you keep going to this decryption gimmick? i have kind of a hard time buying that you have a daycop ability and used it this early in day 1, and if you did i find it unlikely that you hit scum. why even target elbirin? if you werent IC id be voting you right now for sure. can you stop dicking around and explain what the hell you're talking about?

How exactly am I “dicking around”?

you havent explained anything. you've given us nothing real to go on here. i dont see why you wouldnt just come out and tell us the info you have and how you got it. i kinda feel like you're just trying to play town leader because you're IC and have no extra info. and your posts are shit. not shitposts, just shit. @superbowl, the difference is a fine line.

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I've expressed concerns. What is your role? What was your investigation result? What exactly makes you say elbirn is scum?

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UNVOTE:

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@NCM, theres a difference between shitposting and shit posting. Im a big fan of the former, but the latter is very frustrating. logic is firmly in the latter camp. hes unhelpful and not entertaining. gotta be one or the other. or ideally, both. i voted elbirn sheeping logic because apparently that was the thing to do, and figured explanations etc would come. they didnt. i dont think being IC is reason enough to sheep someone, and on further reflection i dont think i buy the 1-shot daycop softclaim that logic made. it doesnt make sense. so i withdrew my vote to get the wagon off of L-1.

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If anyone is confused about my encryption just ask.
If you want an example of a fake encryption LMK and I’ll show you.
Elbirn was a real encryption.

we have all stated confusion about your "encryption" we have asked you to explain your role and what exactly you learned. for example, how did you discover that im town? and your softclaim suggested that either you or i am a cop. whats up with that?

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and again, post restrictions are NOT a normal mechanic. there arent any post restrictions in this game.

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plus cryptography is explicitly forbidden in the OP.

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@NCM its also interesting that you have myself and superbowl as your "top henchmen." superbowl is my top scumread. do you think im just distancing, or whats the deal?

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Lmk if you intend to hammer please, I have some last words to get out

like who your scumbuddies are? im willing to hammer i think, but im definitely not willing to hammer before hearing from logic

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Ok so the whole encryption thing is just a gambit and you dont have any power, and we shouldnt trust your reads more than our own? Then im not voting elbirn. I bet scum are though

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why claim with no intent stated? UNVOTE:
still dont like this one bit, but not gonna leave the wagon on L-1 for the scum lolhammer

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VOTE: gypyx

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I could do gyp or allo. Will compromise elbirn eod

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VOTE: allomancer

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i still am upset with you for claiming superbowl.

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Votato I thought you wanted to rumble. What happened to that? Maybe tomorrow I suppose

yeah tomorrow. your posting has gotten marginally better, and i currently see it coming from confused town or just someone i have personality differences with more than scum.

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i take it the silence means we hit scum?

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who is pushing for us to lynch the doctor? Wouldn't that person be scum?

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does the IC have an actual reason why elbirn should be considered scum? because i trust my own reads more than yours

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zulfy is top scumread. superbowl is also scummy but has claim armor

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READS: For now. Left to right
Tier 1: Elbirn Gypyx
Tier 2: Bambi Jay Superbowl Votato

Is this scum to town?

I mean I thought the bottom was a scumread thing until he put the IC there. Though if he accidentally out the IC in scumread imma lol.

i dont see the IC on that list at all... the IC is logical

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Wait I confuses the doc claim and the IC claim. God I'm stupid.

But he didn't even bother to put the IC in to let us know I guess.

and what does that tell you?

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Left to right less to more scummy. Also: Who am I voting folks

what about top to bottom?

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Left to right less to more scummy. Also: Who am I voting folks

what about top to bottom?

I think Elbirn most town -> you most scummy, so top:bottom left:right -> town:scum

im most scummy to you? and do we read across the top row then across the bottom row?

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@gypyx I have that as likely because it seems highly possible and I kinda-scumread both of them (shaky on both though).

and yeah the arguments might not be the best but it's a lot of gut - I don't think NCM wouldve unnecessarily put that pressure on votato, also I townread votato and their interactions don't read esp. scummy to me.

so im the scummiest of your scumreads, yet you townread me... what?

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no chance of a 3-man scum team in a 9-player (8-player?) game i think.

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Yep, didn't get anything. Although if you're also a PR, I wouldn't be surprised if mafia had a roleblocker

and in what conceivable world would they roleblock someone other than the claimed doc if they werent killing the doc. this confirms superbowl as scum

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I'm town ascetic btw, so, 3 PR's + mine is in the maybe-possible range if we assume scum has power to counter that

nope, false. we have maybe 2 PRs plus the IC.

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I'm town ascetic btw, so, 3 PR's + mine is in the maybe-possible range if we assume scum has power to counter that

nope, false. we have maybe 2 PRs plus the IC.

and why the hell would you claim that?

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VOTE: superbowl

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yeah no one else should be claiming either.

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either gypyx or superbowl is scum. I didn't get an item, no

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so zulfy and superbowl is the scum team

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Who am i bussing?

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please don't self hammer, it makes vca difficult

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because elbirn gave it away so early im inclined to believe this isnt a scum gambit. therefore bambi and elbirn are both clear. logical is obviously clear. FMPOV that leaves superbowl gypyx and zulfy. zulfy and superbowl are the obvious solve here.

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FMPOV it’s easily you and zulfy. If we lynch you, me, and zulfy next 3 days then town will win unless someone is faking PR

like you. if anyone who hasnt claimed yet is a PR then that's proof positive that superbowl is scum.

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because elbirn gave it away so early im inclined to believe this isnt a scum gambit. therefore bambi and elbirn are both clear. logical is obviously clear. FMPOV that leaves superbowl gypyx and zulfy. zulfy and superbowl are the obvious solve here.

Even if your scum, I'm happy you catch up on the info I give quickly.

Basically yeah, I knew when Elbirn was asking questions about other possible PRs along with his instant response to me asking Super, that he got it.

Hm. Is ascetic +townev or -townev?

Negative because as scum he claims that so I can't even target him. He literally just makes it so I'm not allowed to check him.

exactly. an ascetic townie is disutility to town because it cant be cleared and cant be doc'ed. so its a free kill for scum, but also is unconfirmable and looks like scum, so scum can play it either way. do we have any other claimed PRs? at this point i actually think a mass-claim would be good.

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because elbirn gave it away so early im inclined to believe this isnt a scum gambit. therefore bambi and elbirn are both clear. logical is obviously clear. FMPOV that leaves superbowl gypyx and zulfy. zulfy and superbowl are the obvious solve here.

Even if your scum, I'm happy you catch up on the info I give quickly.

Basically yeah, I knew when Elbirn was asking questions about other possible PRs along with his instant response to me asking Super, that he got it.

Hm. Is ascetic +townev or -townev?

Negative because as scum he claims that so I can't even target him. He literally just makes it so I'm not allowed to check him.

exactly. an ascetic townie is disutility to town because it cant be cleared and cant be doc'ed. so its a free kill for scum, but also is unconfirmable and looks like scum, so scum can play it either way. do we have any other claimed PRs? at this point i actually think a mass-claim would be good.

Lol dude we already have a mass claim
If you believe everyone who has claimed, we have 5 confirmed town. Bambi/Elbirn back each other so unless they're the scumteam their claim is very believable, so either some of me/gypyx are lying or you and Zulfy are scum.

we dont have a massclaim, because not everyone has claimed. for example, i havent claimed. im proposing that we force myself, gypyx, and zulfy to claim. im VT. i think we should give them 24 hours to claim max.

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each of their next post in this thread had better be a claim

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VOTE: zulfy

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Lol there are no more PRs dude. We have a lock win as town if we lynch you or Zulfy today FMPOV. From others' pov, if we lynch me/you/zulfy today, the only person to figure out is gypyx.

well we need people to claim to see if there are CCs

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because fake claims are a thing

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VOTE: zulfy

You trust the doc claim over Zulfy? Just curious here.

pending claims from zulfy and gypyx. if the claim list that superbowl posted is accurate, then i think it makes sense.

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could someone summarize all the claims for me in a single list?

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if the fruit vendor is scum thats too scumsided in this setup i think. if bambi isnt fruit vendor then we find out tonight. either way we lynch zulfy or gypyx today. and i dont like gypyx trying to make the gamestate more complex. townies should be narrowing PoE and simplifying.

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isnt the scumpair zulfy and gypyx? the order doesnt matter here.

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now that everyone has claimed i buy that super is town. a doc does fit in this setup imo. i will never understand the night kill, but so much the better for town.

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you should claim at this point. everyone should fullclaim. scum has all the info they need, theres nothing to hide now.

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You on the other hand are a doodoohead

fair

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hes alright. the problem is we need claims to do setup spec and evaluate what PRs fit.

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with incomplete info on roles we cant really evaluate the claims with full info. so we need everyone to claim.

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thats how massclaims work. scum have all the info they want. if they want to kill PRs they have plenty. they wont go for a "maybe"

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VOTE: bambi Jay

excuse me, what the fuck

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Dear Logical

please

fullclaim


Thanks in advance

Anyways, Zulfy is in pretty much everyone's scumpool now right?

could you be any scummier?

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Actually it's still plausible. Fruit vendor pairs well with tracker. If the tracker tracks the fruit vendor, together they are a cop. Ascetic is a Miller, macho ic also has some negative utility.

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so if town has a fruit vendor and a tracker, but scum has an ascetic, that essentially means they have a ninja and can safely perform all the kills. i buy the tracker+disloyal fruit vendor + scum ascetic + IC. it gives scum power and a solid fake-claim. the only thing that doesnt fit is the doctor.

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heres what we do tonight. tracker tracks the fruit vendor. then tracker claims who got fruit. that confirms the tracker as town, and the person who received fruit. doc on either the fruit vendor or tracker (doc decides).

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bugspray is a troll. makes perfect sense.

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Super Bowl can’t mechanically be scum.

why? based on claim? i think its more likely scum has a good fake claim.

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zulfy, its time to claim.

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crumb? i dont see it

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Good thing that I did indeed "crumb"

I put it in quotes cuz I detest crumbs. I didn't crumb but I hoped my reaction to the fact that Elbirn

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claim, and I believed he did for a bit would serve me if it came down to it. In the sense that you could see I have a PR.

where is my vote? is it on zulfy? i hope so. just in case: VOTE: zulfy

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why would there be an unmodified commuter in a 9p normal? seems whack.

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yeah the compulsive modifier doesnt weaken the role at all. i dont buy it for a micro.

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What do you think is on my list guy

what list?

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that does not sound like a compulsive commuter. that sounds like you pick when you commute. you keep changing your claim every time you get called out on it. BS.

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Have I commuted? Not gonna say.

How do you say this yet claim to also be compulsive? Like... What?

I'm not allowed to just not commute but also get to pick when that commuting happens. That's how I understood it

yeah but thats not how compulsive works.

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do not track the doc claim. track the fruit vendor. that gives us three investigations in one effectively.

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Dang

you scum? you scum.

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yeah but if you were town youd want us to know that so we could continue playing. youd also get your final thoughts out and try to help us. you're scum.

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doesnt matter. you should give your final thoughts and try to help town win if youre town.

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who is your scumbuddy?

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Track the fruit vendor! That way we confirm the tracker, confirm the target, and get info on the fruit vendor

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If I say who I'm tracking it's pointless

I will merely do my best

ok, you dont have to say who you are tracking, but you do have to track the fruit vendor. it confirms the fruit vendor's claim and the person the fruit vendor targets (which should be either me or superbowl maybe?)

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If I say who I'm tracking it's pointless

I will merely do my best

ok, you dont have to say who you are tracking, but you do have to track the fruit vendor. it confirms the fruit vendor's claim and the person the fruit vendor targets (which should be either me or superbowl maybe?)

Bruh anti town to post this

says the scum trying to keep the town PRs from working together to maximize their efficacy.

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If I say who I'm tracking it's pointless

I will merely do my best

ok, you dont have to say who you are tracking, but you do have to track the fruit vendor. it confirms the fruit vendor's claim and the person the fruit vendor targets (which should be either me or superbowl maybe?)

Bruh anti town to post this

says the scum trying to keep the town PRs from working together to maximize their efficacy.

Doesn't work if the scum know what's happening - gotta trust us

i dont trust you though. and its not likely that scum can do much about it beyond killing someone, and theyd be killing a PR anyway.

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it was the joqiza/gypyx slot yeah?

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gg. the setup did seem a little townsided perhaps. i guess the doctor wasnt really a factor given the strongman, and was maybe a bit negative utility. i still am confused about what the hell logical was up to all game.

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it was superbowl then?

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ALL ME

yep thanks, we were lost until you got here

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i love how town won and still doesnt know who the last scum is.

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i feel that there was no need to cc there.

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yeah i suppose if the strongman is dead and the tracker simply does his job and tracks the FV then either the FV has to kill the fruit recipient each night or get caught doing multiple visits. either way scum was a bit fucked here. night actions went pretty well for town. sucks that the ascetic didnt really factor in at all except in setup spec

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i think maybe the FV shouldnt have been compulsive.

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Originally I wanted it to be compulsory ninja fv. The idea was to have a lot of "useless" power roles

but there was no way to make a ninja fv without having the ninja ability used on the kills and that was too strong with the strongman?

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logical made it way more bastard than it needed to be

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logical made it way more bastard than it needed to be

How so?

you played like straight up scum. if i didnt know it was a normal game i would have thought for sure you were some sort of scum IC.

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you didnt try to kill the doc?