Micro 955: Variant Nomination Mafia (Game Over)

[hellbooks]

D????????? kkoba.

VOTE: varsoon

[hellbooks]

ive been away from computer whole day (because of moving house logistics) but ill make a longer posts when im free

[hellbooks]

I want to engage with the mechanic of the game rather than treating it like it doesn't exist.
Feels against the spirit of the setup to do anything else.

Very slight "self-consciousness" ping.

In my experience, WIFOM tends to favor scum.

Agree w this ftr: i think it makes far more sense to nom a townread in the early game and

consider

nomming scumreads later in the game to force their hand?

What a boring entrance, you can do better then that!

Sorry. here's my real entrance.

Hellbrooks: Can you comment a bit more on the gamestate and your thoughts on players so far?

ya sure sure... hm... wouldn't agree with townread on yukino or scumread on raya... well both trend a little null i think. your one post i highlighted is tonally kinda scummy. dkkoba maybe scum just off the tailend of 59 and 60, both not great. just let me chill a little bit tho.
83 liking yukino a bit now.

I actually find statements like this to be quite towny.

I

urge

caution on this!!!!!

Just so you know, hellbooks was the last player to confirm. Not sure why no one pointed this out.

Huh? i like confirmed immediately. i just didn't check the game thread. lol.

[hellbooks]

oreso people i just wanna hang LOL im straight up ignoring the mechanic and just voting who I want to get rid of.)

incidentally this is like

wild

Did you sign up to play a 5:2 mountainous nightless?

[hellbooks]

oh if you can vote the nominator then hmmm ya ok ok don't mind nominating the scumread actually no that's good i hadn't considered

[hellbooks]

In the event of no clear plurality, the mafia team will be asked to privately break the tie.

this is like dope let's do this every time and just get all the wifom in here

[hellbooks]

VOTE: nom: koba.

[hellbooks]

Im moving across the country so youll have to wait until at least the end of today

[hellbooks]

Poe doesnt make sense like dkkoba could simply be wrong about everyone

[hellbooks]

I guess if im the least town then yea sure whatever
Anyway ill think about it later

[hellbooks]

Ok hi babes

[hellbooks]

hellbrooks: they've been lurky in the shadows and suddenly came out to hammer the vote on me which I find scum asf. imma be real I have a suspicion that they're teamed with raya for the move they did there.

i've been

moving

...... also i

didnt

hammer... jeez....
this sucks!!!

include a third I reskimmed quickly and made my choice that way.

why so cavalier about it

raya
dunn
dkkoba
(t -> s)

like fr I think hellbooks hammering me with little explaination was fairly scummy and they seemed detached and just sheeping the wagon that had most votes and people need to see that

i didnt hammer you

I loathe moving but am grateful for it when it's done with.

yeah i'm tired af, thanks

ok so any reason you think this is town raya? because I'm not buying this casing.

it might not be a good read but it circumstantially can definitely come from town in fact one might say (I might say) that it has higher town equity

and I demand an explaination because at this point it feels like there's setup going on here where you force a nomination on me but also offer shade on other slots to set them up as MLs.

i have no explanation other than gut

I'm also pretty curious why DkKoba didn't nominate me but I wasn't going to ask since I'm already pretty self-absorbed.

this is mediumly scummy

[hellbooks]

dkkoba does seem to care a lot about like, getting it right
hm

[hellbooks]

just realized this is SUCH a nahdia setup. we're gladiating every day
kind of demotivating to constantly have to consider the possibility that all people eligible for vote are town

[hellbooks]

I'd vote you first and foremost 'cus you've interacted with the most amount of people and would give the most information on flip.

unsure if this is scum logic but im not a fan of it

[hellbooks]

i guess if one decides they townread all of the options phenomenally? but that seems wildly unlikely
also i dont think you've said anything about why you wouldn't vote dunnstral

[hellbooks]

and as for hellbooks I haven't had time to figure out how to case my push on her. I do find their post flimsy.

why do you have to figure it out? either you have reasons to think im scum or not. unless you're trying to come up with reasons why i'm scum so you can get rid of me?

hellbooks I'm going to need something better on your read on me because at this point you've given a bunch of non-contribution in terms of your "reads" other than perhaps your analysis of a few of the posts you listed but even those feel low effort.

i have reads on ppl other than you. also why the scare quotes on reads. low blow. like, ouch

and I already asked helbooks a question

huh???? was the question like "why arent u trying more"

I don't have a strong read on Raya right now. I think we should lynch Raya or Hellbooks

this like sucks

maybe varsoon and dunnstral plausible and varsoons like "dunnstral is town you guys" to aid in the coast

[hellbooks]

i always question people who fos me for bad reasons and the fact you want to latch onto that is telling and different from the shade others have given.

VOTE: dkkoba

You're next after me

you are blowing things outta proportion like incredibly

[hellbooks]

literally one person voted you, you dont have to martyr yourself???? huh???????

[hellbooks]

cannot tell if ridiculously towny or ridiculously scummy move

[hellbooks]

im sory to hear that.

[hellbooks]

VOTE: dunnstral
whatever lets be bad... lets be a little cheeky...

[hellbooks]

the self-unvote at L1 ... hm

[hellbooks]

o ok : ) : ) sorry : )

[hellbooks]

They think it's cool to lynch someone for coasting.

Weird thing to say

What about the nature of Hellbook lurking puts them below Dunn for you?

i'm simply not lurking
that's just like a falsehood

I just don't find he's saying much. Read through his iso and see if he says anything committal or game advancing.

are you talking about me here
if so why r u using they for dunnstral and he for me
that's like 0/2 on pronoun reads
that's just flat out confusing

[hellbooks]

i townread raya and kind of townread dkkoba, nothing from the replacement, null on dunn, yukino varsoon nash none are great, probably null scum to scum. idk. so... yeah. that's why i'm voting dunn.

pedit well they're the answer to your q.

[hellbooks]

*there's. sorry lol. you were talking about 'they' and it got in my head

[hellbooks]

its ok. anyway- i feel like i have committed to many a stance; advanced many a game

[hellbooks]

i am like literally voting him

[hellbooks]

do you want me to be like signing a contract in blood about how i will think varsoon is scum for the next two years

[hellbooks]

And most of your posts between are similar or fluff (I chose those just because they are larger posts with more responses)

feels like a really disingenuous thing to push someone for honestly
just like thinking about it

let's kill someone already

well i'm all for it. i thirst for blood

Why do you townread Raya?

well hold off on that honestly, lol
but i had raya as town on early game gut and then when she was like "hey pooky so who's scum between dunn and hellbooks" (the thing unsaid being that she's like not even an option) felt like town brazenness
but yeah reevaluating

[hellbooks]

PTMB seems towny on top of DkKoba
dunn's still a pile of null

What's disingenuous about it. That's a way scum could play and you're doing it.

"town has hard stances and scum doesn't" not a good way to think about it

I don't consider the koba slot or me an option from my POV. Its between you and Dunn.

i know dw about it i was townreading u for it

I'm still about 70% confidence on this, but it's better than shooting in the dark:

this means you think there's a 70 percent chance pooky flip scum???

To add to my Dunn read I find him not pushing for a lynch to be town indicative honestly. I don't like the coasting but he said he doesnt scumread koba and we should lynch between me and Hell. Later says he doesnt feel good about a hell lynch. Biggest suspects are outside of the pool. He's not playing survivalistic at all and doesnt appear to be concerned about being lynched. So unless this is some sort of LAMIST play he's probably town.

sure-- that checks out
VOTE: raya

[hellbooks]

its like hilarious how i'd vote any of the three non nominations over any of the nominations

[hellbooks]

not that my reads are ever that great but

[hellbooks]

hm now that i think about it, dkkoba put like very little thought into the nom process right
like they nomed me because they thought i hammered the nominator vote which was just incorrect and could be figured out at a moment's notice that it was incorrect (as opposed to nash, a serial lurker & hammerer)
like why is town so cavalier with that

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE:

[hellbooks]

No but I'd like committed reads. Nothing at all was committed and that reads as either scum who is having trouble making scum cases on players they know are town, scum trying to keep options open while looking busy, or town not using their ability to pressure to it's full potential.

VOTE: raya
i have expressed a stance on almost everyone in the game-- this is blatant misinformation

Lynching Raya is by far the worst thing you guys can do in this situation.

sorry ; )
varsoon and dunn decent partner equity tho.

[hellbooks]

My townreads right now are you, Dkkoba's slot, Raya

why varsoon?

[hellbooks]

re-reading their iso - it feels like raya has more depth in her thinking than hellbook and is more open-minded.

i mean raya has consistently pushed me because i dont have strong enough reads so imo doesnt rly fit the bill

[hellbooks]

if i die -- i wouldn't discount pooky either
i think pooky's been towny but have reevaluated whether anything dkkoba did was actually town and like yeah, the nominations were careless and i think there's no reason to townread the replace out

[hellbooks]

Varsoon probably town now, blah blah, not even going to bother expanding.

*shrug* varsoon's behavior and concern over scum not getting to choose is very easy posturing if both raya and i are town -- doesnt rly swing me either way

Is team hellbooks based on something outside best of the available options, because I am not saying I disagree but if their is something more I would like to know.

the most reasonable argument is POE i think -- in particular there's like no good arg for raya scum either aside from the absolutely ridiculous push on me so :shrug:
i'd be down to powerwagon pooky tbh, esp since they're comfortable and stepping back

[hellbooks]

can't get over dkkoba nomming me over pretenses of me hammering them for the nom, just like very easily seen as untrue if one had concern to be picking the right people for nom + the rep out could definitely be scum "caught for the wrong reasons" for example

[hellbooks]

vote hellbook

re-reading their iso - it feels like raya has more depth in her thinking than hellbook and is more open-minded.

pooky expends a ton of energy trying to convince varsoon they're town but then puts almost no effort into choosing a wagon
fuck it VOTE: pooky

if this is a no go and yukino wants to vote raya then i'll switch back, i'll be active b4 deadline
otherwise idgaf obv

[hellbooks]

pooky expends a ton of energy trying to convince varsoon they're town but then puts almost no effort into choosing a wagon
fuck it VOTE: pooky

if this is a no go and yukino wants to vote raya then i'll switch back, i'll be active b4 deadline
otherwise idgaf obv

do u actually want to catch scum or is this one of those anybody but me things?

Ive stated my reasoning & you are free to respond to it

[hellbooks]

woah look how fast that wagon moved

yeah it was pretty fast which warrants some level of concern i suppose, but -- like, things have to happen fast given the time frame

Your characterization that I've spent no time trying to pick between you and Raya is unfair - I did re-read what you two have posted and there isn't really much to go on between the two of you.

sure i can understand that -- it's the best out of everything i have to go on and i dont think that your explanation is fully valid, like i think there is a disparity of care that you put into self-preservation compared to scumhunting that isn't fully explained by the circumstances at hand. like, if i had to use varsoon's confidence meter i wouldn't even crack 50% confidence that you're scum & i'd literally vote any of the three non-noms over you

[hellbooks]

The only read I'm fairly confident in at this point is that Varsoon is town.

is this because of the weird trust tell business

[hellbooks]

ideally there would be things from people that you find are more likely to come from scum

[hellbooks]

also recognize its frustrating when ppl scumread u for something a predecessor did where u dont have access to that persons thought process but, idk

[hellbooks]

woah look how fast that wagon moved

do you have like, conclusions from this

[hellbooks]

like do you think i'm scum for starting it? do you think people are scum for switching to it?

[hellbooks]

fwiw i'm not resigned to voting you

[hellbooks]

why obvious town?

[hellbooks]

if ppl are gonna throw shade at the wagon can it at least be concrete?

[hellbooks]

i'll vote dunn but it'll be a compromise on a nullread idk
sorry for introducing so much uncertainty right before the deadline

[hellbooks]

based on experience i cant read the guy for shit + hasnt rly been posting all that much. Presumably a dunnstral read will come into existence eventually

[hellbooks]

personally my reasons arent why not but if they were, well, thats the way it is. Everyones been voting based on why not

[hellbooks]

nah I like that you tried something

more info is always better than nothing

this game is kinda boring if nobody does anything

Am i off the deep end for townreading this post

[hellbooks]

i was also thinking abt hammering

[hellbooks]

for transparency

[hellbooks]

I am aware this is contradictory to what I said was good play day 1, but I don't care enough about getting the small amount of additional info anymore, I don't think it would help. Also playing well is for suckers.

this feels kind of self-conscious

[Hellbooks/Dunnstrall/pooky]

That's the scum Poe both scum are there how am I doing?

do u think me/pooky is a viable scumteam
?????????????????????????

[hellbooks]

Don't get why hellbooks is up there unless you really want to resolve yesterday's Raya v Hellbooks dealio.

i'm just popualr

i think yukino kinda seemed towny -> they cared to push their dunn theory despite having multiple ML opportunities D1, but it's not a strong argument, definitely within scum range

[hellbooks]

interested 2 see who elbirn would vote between me & dunn

[hellbooks]

im honestly pretty happy to be voting either of these ppl
still kinda wish i could pressure pooky

[hellbooks]

ope
looks like I missed a lot O_O

[hellbooks]

But I've got a lot of personal issues with doing that because
1. I was driving the game D1, no one gave a SHIT about my whole case on the Pooky slot except for Pooky, who had reasons I hate for why I shouldn't be pushing it--then I compromised by executing out Raya who flipped town, so my reads confidence is absolute trash right now.
2. It feels like no one else is even playing this game most of the time. I want to give you space and time to DO SOMETHING to give me confidence in reading your slot, Elbirn, but you really haven't and I can't even hold you that accountable because the same applies to EVERY SLOT IN THIS GAME.

I think this is like pretty scummy
- pooky was legitimately considered D1 and was at L-1 at a certain point near the end i think
- i think you're trying to position yourself as the driving force in this game and complaining about how other people aren't doing anything (Which is kind of not true and certainly there are more productive and towny ways to get people to do stuff)

Hey, Dunnstral
Next game
Do more, please.

Hellbooks, I really want to believe you're town, but you need to step it up. If you're green and we lynch you and we lose, you deserve this loss just as much as me.

ive been like doing moving errands but ya im here
are you normally this extra??????

Varsoon is really only scum with Hellbook

RLY????????????? lol

[hellbooks]

this is like so fun

[hellbooks]

think i would be kind of scared to bet the game on varsoon being scum i think he's been consistently saying some scummy shit but it could very well be because he's been putting himself out there a lot

[hellbooks]

anyway how about this lunchtime poll: if u were nominated, which 2 ppl would you nominate with u?

[hellbooks]

in fact i will be like thinking heavily about this question right now

[hellbooks]

youre right good point
can i say who i'd nominate anyway just like me personally or should i be silent

[hellbooks]

u cant get rid of me
nominate me every day if u want
im a fucking cockaroach

[hellbooks]

ya im lowkey down

[hellbooks]

i think it'd be less stressful and way more straightforward so i wouldn't mind it esp cuz this games been p low energy. but the information gathered from how people act in a LYLO situation post-nomination might be more valuable than in previous days so it also seems worth it to keep ourselves open. im reckless so i'm still happy to do it the pooky way

[hellbooks]

I'm just gonna come out and say that my current scumteam theory is varsoon and yukino they've both been somewhat scummy whole game and now in lylo they're coming out and basically locktowning each other for BS reasons and/or POE, very sus -- and then on the flip pooky and elbirn are over here bussing the shit outta each other if they're the team so i'd say, maybe not, so i'm thinking well it seems vry reasonable if it were at least one of varsoon and yukino.

[hellbooks]

Why is an opinion on how to approach a setup alignment indicative?
Setup info is one of those known on alignment indicative approaches to the game given it doesn't change based on your role card.

Hellbook likes that bad idea as all alignments.

@varsoon This feels like mafia101 to me does Elbrin really push this idea to you?

Nah listen. Town says that if they're having a bad idea. Scum thinks about saying that and then doesn't because they already know why it's a bad idea.

fwiw the line being discussed is a joke and i thought it was clear that i was joking

[hellbooks]

yukino and varsoon: do u think that elbirn and pooky would be a plausible team
IF SO WHY

yukino and elbirn: do u think that varsoon and pooky would be a plausible team
IF SO WHY

[hellbooks]

mm

*solemn nod*

[hellbooks]

p towny from elbirn

[hellbooks]

knowingly unhelpful from varsoon

[hellbooks]

VOTE: yukino

[hellbooks]

^ statically parked on a theory while active lurking and complaining no one's obvtowning themselves

[hellbooks]

YUKINO IS LITERALLY POWERLURKING??????????? HELLO IS THIS THING ON

[hellbooks]

no way town does this shit in this situation right??? right??? right???

[hellbooks]

lmao? if im scum how am i losing
only one person voting me and its some clown whos parked on me & doesnt care enough to put in the tiniest bit of effort in mylo

[hellbooks]

Yukino and Hellbook doing some scum theaterr?

ok then help me bus my partner babe

[hellbooks]

It's also been less then a full page since I last posted, so I don't even believe your reaction.

ok pal see u in two days lmao go live ur life

[hellbooks]

Elbirn and Hellbook playing hella tight

Ah yes so tight we don't even have the same conclusions/pushes

this was scummy

[hellbooks]

That vote split indicates something hard to me.
Do you think a hellbooks/Yukino team cross-busses here in LYLO?
I don't, but it is just NOMINATION and not EXECUTION.
Even still.

this is probably a good arg for having the game go on after the nom
were getting incomplete info

[hellbooks]

yukino
how are you TUNNELING
in MYLO

[hellbooks]

Sorry, Elby, but I can't accept Pooky as scum here.
If he is, it's whatever, this game was a wash, but I want to believe in a world where that's not the case.

i literally hate whatever weird angleshooty reason you have to clear pooky

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE:

[hellbooks]

I say yukino/pooky scum team

i mean its scummy that elbirn says this but doesnt express any intention to vote yukino right? instead holding on to the pooky vanity wagon?

[hellbooks]

i wish i could summarily discount varsoon pooky as not scum theater but both of them are pretty theatrical
i think the least likely pairing is elbirn pooky

[hellbooks]

might fuck around and hammer elbirn? i guess the question is are one of varsoon and pooky bussing elbirn, who will then nominate me and get me killed via consensus yukino swing

[hellbooks]

but whats the point of bussing right? scum only need one ML why wouldnt they go all out

[hellbooks]

i guess there's an argument for scum to want to nom themselves so they can nom two town instead of risk a town nomming two scum
sorry just tpying out thoughts as they come

[hellbooks]

i wonder if elbirn and yukino scumreading each other but pushing their primary target (pooky / me) hard instead is partner equity!

[hellbooks]

U UP???

[hellbooks]

Ill fuck a round maybe like tomorrow

[hellbooks]

just want to give it a day so yukino can come in here and talk about how scummy i am
I owe them that at least
but no much rather elbirn than u. Lol

[hellbooks]

i'm too much of a narcissist to blame anyone but you too.
elbirn appeal to me!! i want to be appealed to!

[hellbooks]

My alignment should be glaringly obvious to him specifically

also why

[hellbooks]

inb4 another trust tell

[hellbooks]

incidentally this is like fairly telling to me here. if elbirn is scum no fucking way does he nom the other scum IMO, thats like a suicide mission
there fore, if elbirn is scum then varsoon is also scum (FMPOV of course of course)
however that means they're theatering it up rn which is just like i meannnnn do i see it? do i see it? not

really

so i think it makes more sense for elbirn to be town here

which is obviously a hard sell as a general theory because literally everyone is thinking that hellbirn is the scumteam but like idk i think ive been pretty townly lol

[hellbooks]

sorry but the scum is like fucking vars and yuki

[hellbooks]

fleet wood mac i know im not wrong

[hellbooks]

incidentally this is like fairly telling to me here. if elbirn is scum no fucking way does he nom the other scum IMO, thats like a suicide mission

i guess its not out of the realm of possibility that elbirn noms the other scum and banks the bus cred riding vars and hellbooks MLs to victory

[hellbooks]

[trying to activate my brain cells]
sorry for spam posting btw i dont know whats got into me

[hellbooks]

hi nahdia!

[hellbooks]

hmmm yeah -- ig everyone posted and a quickhammer could have been organized if it wasnt in elb pooks

[hellbooks]

elb pooks

helbpooks my new username

[hellbooks]

Yukino and Hellbooks both strike me as 'take in the info and play it slow' types.

i can range from frustratingly indecisive to dangerously impulsive -- i am a loose cannon in every sense of the word

[hellbooks]

sorry but the scum is like fucking vars and yuki

fleet wood mac i know im not wrong

Fucking

Sell me

yeah so vars yuki and hell yuki could organize a qhammer

big busses that have been going on:
elbirn pooky
varsoon elbirn

big anti-busses that have been going on:
pooky varsoon

imagining

that we rule out all of these possibilities (they're all in realm of possibility but lets just imagine) i think elbirn yuki makes a pretty decent amount of sense. they were both scumreading each other, never really acted on it (elbirn by way of tunnelling pooky, yuki by way of tunnelling me) and now the me option being removed, yuki now pivots to thinking elbirn is town. yeah yeah tinfoil hat preflip assocs yadda yadda, but thoughts???

[hellbooks]

sorry abt slipping. anyway yea. enjoyed having pooky in this game, that extends to every1, would play with again. : )