Micro 955: Variant Nomination Mafia (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The sickest playerlist of all time

What's up homies I'm town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote hellbrooks

I got your back

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What are you thoughts on what I said about Dunn a couple posts above?

Trying to read alignment based on effort is silly.

lazy players will be lazy regardless of what alignment they get dealt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's kill someone already

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's kill someone already

Who are your top two townreads?

this game is painful to read, I tried but the flow feels wierd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when I flip town can you kill yourself? thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

of course in the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what why would you think I'd want you to die IRL that's wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean put your life behind the vote - when you're wrong - you lead a town wagon on yourself and become next day's lynch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i dunno how you think I want you to KYS IRL from that line - I've literally never said anything to you in this game at all.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean you're barely pushing me. I don't even feel tickled at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm just saying don't throw your vote like it is meaningless - put some intention and thought behind it - pretend if you're wrong there are some actual consequences.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you care about winning dude?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but I'm town

so why are you voting for me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can I look at your case on why Koba is scum? I'd like just the brief summary thanks.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically your entire case on koba boils down to them playing like an asshole?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically your entire case on koba boils down to them playing like an asshole?

No,
Please actually read it.
But if that's your take-away, I don't know that I'm going to convince you otherwise.
'cus at that point, couldn't you just characterize ALL scum play as 'asshole' play?

I'm characterizing it based on your own summary that you put at the bottom

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

'cus at that point, couldn't you just characterize ALL scum play as 'asshole' play?

Actually in my experience scum tend to be more manipulative and cunning.

People who fly off the rails and go heavy on the OMGUS spam posting usually are town who are upset they are being misread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't know that I'm going to convince you otherwise

Are you trying to convince me Koba is scum? I mean you know I have a role pm from the mod that says otherwise right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well I usually don't re-read until I get a good feel for everyone through interactions because I hate re-reading in general

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh well you'd need a stronger case than "Koba plays like an asshole" for me to be convinced that you really believe I'm scum and should be lynched.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

TL;DR: DkKoba was really inconsistent with their engagement and logic, very reactionary, very self-preserving, and their biggest scumread at any given time was whatever player was pressuring them the hardest.

this is your own summary dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

CTRL+F 'Asshole'
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TL;DR: DkKoba was really inconsistent with their engagement and logic, very reactionary, very self-preserving, and their biggest scumread at any given time was whatever player was pressuring them the hardest.

inconsistency with engagement/logic - asshole play
reactionary - asshole play
self serving - asshole play
attacks whoever pressuring them - asshole play.


I basically summarized your summary. Koba didn't play like an asshole because they're scum - koba played like an asshole because they are an asshole.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's hard to take you seriously when you have a cat on your head

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how am I lying about your TLDR summary? I literally quoted it multiple times.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes asshole is my term - not your term - I interpreted your case as basically tying together a bunch of traits more easily explained by koba being an asshole than koba being scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically you want to lynch koba for using a bad playstyle and you don't actually believe he's scum? good to know

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not everything is play style

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1. Telling me to kill myself/assume responsibility--something I wouldn't expect from town, blatant appeal to fear.

It's not an appeal to fear - it's called raising the stakes - you actually believe the nonsense you're peddling or don't you?


I don't mind trading my life for a scum's life.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2. Lying about what my case is to argue a literal lie; that I am pushing someone over playstyle rather than perceived scumminess--I won't say town don't lie, but you're actively trying to handwave my points without actually engaging with them at all.

I'm not lying about your case - i literally quoted your case and summarized it - just because your case is so weak that it can be summarized as

"Koba is an asshole"

or even weaker version:

"I don't like Koba"

isn't my fault - your case is a laundry basket of nonsense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3. Sayiing that I don't believe a player is scum, which is another lie--only I know what I believe, Pooky. You don't have to take my word for it, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't literally lie to people about it, because;

I'm tested your "belief" by asking you to ante up your own life after I flip town - you failed that test miserably.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This all strikes me as you trying to manipulate me and other players with lies in order to make your slot look more town.

Why would I even need to manipulate you or anyone else.

Nobody here thinks your case holds any water whatsoever - I could just ignore you and you could keep posting your nonsense and nothing would happen.

The only reason I'm even engaging with you is because I don't want you to hide your blatant scumminess inside a death tunnel on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Already told you, I'm town.
You should know
I don't lie when I alignment claim.

know what? I've never played with you before in my life, do you have some kind of rep for never lying about your alignment or something? give me a history of this and i'll examine it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky: The first ban I ever got on-site was for not lying about my alignment over multiple games, something I was told was 'The Pooky Tell'.

I didn't even know that "The Pooky Tell" existed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Understand this, Pooky.
If we're both town here;
We have fundamentally different approaches to this game.

if we're both town here, we definitely gonna win this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was told it was something a user named 'Pooky' once did.

That's wild I guess I can't use that anymore huh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is RC Rosso Carne ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea that guy is toxic af

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote hellbook

re-reading their iso - it feels like raya has more depth in her thinking than hellbook and is more open-minded.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky expends a ton of energy trying to convince varsoon they're town but then puts almost no effort into choosing a wagon
fuck it VOTE: pooky

if this is a no go and yukino wants to vote raya then i'll switch back, i'll be active b4 deadline
otherwise idgaf obv

do u actually want to catch scum or is this one of those anybody but me things?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

woah look how fast that wagon moved

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ive stated my reasoning & you are free to respond to it

well I usually do better at explaining things that I know than things I don't know.

like when someone attacks me as scum - it's easy for me to respond to that - I have a role PM.

when someone asks me to pick between 2 wagons - I don't know which of you is scum - I can just read your posts and try to figure out what's going on -

it's wierd when you replace into a game and you don't have a sense of flow or time - makes it harder to get an idea of what went on when you re-read. To really get into it I'd need to be here when the actual action goes on but there hasn't been much posting since i've replaced in -mostly just me and varsoon going back and forth about whether I'm town or not.

The only read I'm fairly confident in at this point is that Varsoon is town.

Your characterization that I've spent no time trying to pick between you and Raya is unfair - I did re-read what you two have posted and there isn't really much to go on between the two of you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is anyone still around? >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unnvote

vote raya

since pretty much nobody is here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sure i can understand that -- it's the best out of everything i have to go on and i dont think that your explanation is fully valid, like i think there is a disparity of care that you put into self-preservation compared to scumhunting that isn't fully explained by the circumstances at hand. like, if i had to use varsoon's confidence meter i wouldn't even crack 50% confidence that you're scum & i'd literally vote any of the three non-noms over you

not sure how you expect me to scumhunt when there's nothing going on lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its just a weird game when i replace in and can't vote for half the players and have to defend the actions of the person who was in this slot before me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think it means nobody really knows anything because there's not much content to go on and people don't really care who gets lynched at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tbh between everyone I like lynching Dunnstral the best. I don't want to lynch either you or raya - I put you at even with Raya at L-1 because I wanted to put a choice up to Yukino and see what he did because I think that's important information for later down the line.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote Dunnstral

whatever let's see if I can get this going.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah I like that you tried something

more info is always better than nothing

this game is kinda boring if nobody does anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you read kobas meta of completed games. its like all games where he is town and town loses cuz hes terrible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote raya

hammmmah

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why dont we just let the mafia select the nominator?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but its a piece of information we get about the scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dont you think it makes sense to try to nominate scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Dunnstral

let's do it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get why a townie would want to nom himself. isnt it way better to nominate scum? today we have a good chance of missing scum completely if we nominate a townie.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol I kinda put her at L-1 just yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would I put my scumpartner at L-1 ? -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

doesn't make sense in a night less game on D1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

doesn't make sense in a night less game on D1

I mean

You and your scumbuddy are both still alive and you get to make posts like the above for cred

: ^ )

w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can always pressure me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really wanted to vote dunn but now I'm getting cold feet cuz he's leading

wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

feels too easy if Dunn is scum now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote: Dunnstral

HAMMMAAAAAAAAH

Can't miss twice right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

big yikes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's just play the old fashioned way where we all vote to lynch someone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like whoever the nominator is - gets lynched - period no discussion - we use the 5 days as a deadline

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this nomination execution nonsense is just getting nuts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think we're due at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That'd mean that DkKoba's replace out was for alignment reasons, which is already a bannable offense (iirc),

they replaced out in more than 1 game so pretty sure it's not for alignment reasons.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, if you're scum here, it's unforgivable, I hope you understand.

We're good - I'm town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we just have to figure out who the townie is in the 3 people left over and we pretty much win

relax dude you're going to have an aneurysm at this rate.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm gonna get wild drunk tonight and figure out who the last good guy is

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one of you 3 need to just say they're town alrdy

lets win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Elbirn and Yukino. U guys doing some scum theater there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Elbirn digging his own grave rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we not play the nomination game


lets just vote to lynch somebody straight up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Elbirn you can drop the act buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok bad choice of words, I more meant the timing of your jump then the frequency of them. Like this is the exact stage in the game you'd want to open up the option to vote someone where as before when you were town reading him it didn't really matter.


I am trying to figure out a scum team. Not like scum can quick hammer so I am going to just park on my #1 suspect. I think they could easily just be scum with any of you and I don't think they have done anything to make me think they are town. If you guys very awkwardly quick hammer them, then I entrust Hellbook is capable of nominating the people to do that.

VOTE: Hellbook

rofl we're just straight up voting who we want to lynch

no more of this stupid nominator BS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol good joke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yukino and Hellbook doing some scum theaterr?

maybe Elbirn is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Yukino

no problem

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote Elbirn

ok I see now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Elbirn and Hellbook playing hella tight

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well it won't be as obvious as you 2 both going "hey ___ is scum let's kill him"

what it does look like is you 2 both deciding on a different person - avoiding each other and then whoever gets a townie to join them on their wagon will double down - and the other person will "change" his mind and join them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think it means they're splitting up the vote so it's not "obvious" then when one of them finds traction, the other one will be "convinced" and switch over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if 1 of you is scum, the other is town.

There's no reason to bet on a 50/50 when we have a sure thing in Elbirn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I just realized we don't even have to figure out who the last townie in Yukino/Hellbook is.

As long as we execute scum Elbirn today - we can just execute both Yukino and Hellbook on the next 2 days and win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or you can just vote Elbrin and we can exec him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't trust you to nominate who I want to exec

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why don't you just vote Elbirn then? is he your scumbuddy or something?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I say yukino/pooky scum team

then hammer yourself and nominate us

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

varsoon you around?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im thinking we just vote me for nominator and I get elbirn that way

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im up

u wanna hammer elbirn-scum or do we have to switch votes to me first

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hearts full can't miss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am ready to hammer elbirn

third time can't lose

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ScumBirn can't even keep his story straight

Before:

I say yukino/pooky scum team

Now:

So please understand that from my pov at least one of pooky/yukino is scum

JUSTICE HAMMAH TIME

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

"Two people are scum"
"At a minimum one of these same two people is guaranteed scum as stated by the mod"

There is no contradiction between these things

Christ alive

It's not a contradiction.

"Pooky/Yukino = Scum Team" is a much stronger statement than "There must be at least one scum in Pooky/Yukino"

If you really believed "Pooky/Yukino = scum team" you wouldn't even make the statement you did at the beginning of the Execution Phase -

Likely you got mixed up in your scum lies and forgot about your initial contention in the first place. That's why your starting position was "One of Pooky and Yukino must be scum because I'm town" instead of "Pooky and Yukino are both scum - let's lynch one of them"

You had already forgotten your initial position in the first place.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky

If you're town you need to go the fuck back to 2003 and stay there because you're actual garbage at this

hahaha look at this scum unable to keep his lies straight

were you even born in 2003 kiddo?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No you know what

I'm not mad at you! Because you're just scum!

VOTE: Pooky

Me or pooky hurry it up let this game end

OOh now he remembers he shouldn't fake any anger at Pooky-Town because Pooky is SCUM in his book

Really you need your own comedy special on netflix - your flailing is absolutely hilarious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Varsoon if you're town and you vote me over scum-pooky for nonsense and fairy dust reasons I want you to know that you suck farts through a straw

All other permutations of alignment I guess you're okay


Varsoon if you're town and you vote me over scum-pooky for nonsense and fairy dust reasons I want you to know that you suck farts through a strawAll other permutations of alignment I guess you're okay

Why you only doing appeal to emotion on Varsoon and not on Hellbook?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm ready to hammer this Elbirn scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Elbirn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote: Elbirn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i blame koba for getting dealt a scum PM

sorry varsoon